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Nairaland GeneralRe: Is The Earth A Slaveyard by DeepSight(op): 3:29pm On Apr 28
budaatum:
And what "99.9% of people" say is a reason for me not to harp on, Deep?

I was not aware I was in some popularity contest, and I actually expect to be treated like the person who returned to Plato's Cave, as you are treating me here.

Whatever you or anyone claims to believe is believed because you do not actually know. And I do not expect most to accept this because most believers hardly ever do because camel eye needle enter is almost impossible for some.


I should assume like those who assume they know what they believe, deep? Create me in their image, why don't you please!

You are amusing me by thinking I am not aware that some of my words will fall along the path for birds to eat up, and some will fall on rocky places where there is not much soil and be scorched in the sun and wither because they have no root. And other seed will fall among thorns and grow up and be choked. Still some will fall on thinking minds where it produces a crop—a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown.

As for gain. Jesus healed 10 lepers but only one appeared as his gain, we read in the book of fiction. But for me, you not listening, Deepsight, does not indicate that no one hears, and nor does anyone need to tell me I have made them consider the difference between belief and knowing, because some obviously have ears and hear, I have found in my time here, as opposed to what you seem to believe.
Well said.
Nairaland GeneralRe: Is The Earth A Slaveyard by DeepSight(op): 2:38pm On Apr 28
budaatum:
And I am telling you different. I'm also telling you it crops up in most arguments I see you involved in where people tell you their baseless beliefs, while you counter them with verifiable facts.
I just think it leads nowhere because 99.9% of people will tell you that what they believe is the same as what they know. The nuanced difference is something you will harp on forever and never gain anything from. That's why I told you to just assume that people know.

That said, why are you bothered about what I harp on about? Am I misusing your data by forcing your mind to consider?
grin
BusinessRe: Remembering Emmanuel Olatunji Adesoye, Okin Biscuits by DeepSight(m): 2:27pm On Apr 28
datola:
Unlike most oyinbo.. companies!
What nonsense, businesses get run down everywhere in the world. Pls stop this worship of white skin, it's disgusting and low.
BusinessRe: Remembering Emmanuel Olatunji Adesoye, Okin Biscuits by DeepSight(m): 2:24pm On Apr 28
Adewale1603:
That square Shortcake is the real deal. The round okin is for elderly or older people, just like coaster biscuits
You know!
Nairaland GeneralRe: Is The Earth A Slaveyard by DeepSight(op): 2:18pm On Apr 28
budaatum:
Experience does not come before belief!

One actually believes because one lacks experiential knowledge. Once one has experiential knowledge one does not believe because one actually knows.

For example, you could say you believe the water falling on your head from the sky is rain because you experience a wet head, but when you look up and see that it is raining, as opposed to someone or thing dumping water on your head, you would most likely say you know it is raining

You may believe you have a million naira in your bank account, but after you've checked your bank account, you will know whether you have a million naira in your bank account or not.

Adam was made to believe (with no experience whatsoever) that he would surely die if he ate the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Eve, on the other hand, did not believe she would surely die if she ate the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. So she checked with her own senses (experienced) so she may know if she would indeed surely die or not by plucking the fruit and eating it for the experience, and saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom. Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves and freed themselves from naked ignorant slavery in Eden and lived a very long time during which they ended up populating the entire earth, we read.
You have started again on this knowledge Vs belief thing. I have told you it's not a thing to keep harping on.
Foreign AffairsRe: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 1:55pm On Apr 28
raumdeuter:
I dont have time for your foolishness
As an expert in foolishness, What did your leftist Democrats see in Biden that made them claim he was sharp as a tack
Will you kneel down at once and raise up your hands? How dare you address a humble personage of my humble rank in such a depraved and discourteous manner.

On your knees, at once!
Tail down and hoofs together!
Foreign AffairsRe: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 1:50pm On Apr 28
raumdeuter:
A goat is a type of domesticated ruminant mammal kept for meat and milk

Now tell us what type of stupid was when the left democrats claimed Biden was sharp as a tack
No wait. You have to tell me your own goatish tendency first.

Besides your definition is faulty since goats existed before domestication and there are still wild goats as is evident with your case.
Foreign AffairsRe: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 1:39pm On Apr 28
raumdeuter:
Do you admit it was stupid to claim Biden was sharp as a tack given what everyone could see? Then since you know about stupid, what type was that?
I will answer after you define goat for me and let me know your own type of goat leaning.
PoliticsRe: Until Tinubu Speaks – Rufai Oseni Dismisses Sanwo-Olu’s Hamzat Endorsement by DeepSight(m): 1:35pm On Apr 28
PigTormentor:
The zoologist masquerading as a journalist is seeking more cheap attention.
This sadistic animal should concentrate on his cult leader party candidate instead of worrying about APC candidates.
How is he sadistic?
Christianity EtcRe: Old Age & God by DeepSight(op): 1:24pm On Apr 28
TV01:
Ok den grin


Yah cheesy!

Yes there are limits for created beings.

He could have - if He had taken counsel from god DeepSight - but for some reason He chose not too tongue


Predestination for those who choose Him. Try reading from v28 in Romans 8 for example. 28 And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose.


DeepSight the blowhard grin.

I have schooled you tire on slavery - will continue tirelessly kiss.

In a closed theocracy with God as ruler, rebellion by consulting fallen spirits, demons or the devil will be rightfully punished by death. As the Israelites agreed too.

Ultimately all unrepented\uncovered sin will bring a punishment of eternal death - the wages of sin is death. There is still time. Join us. Will continue our discussion in the hereafter. I will smash you there too cool. All welcome.


TV
Why are you so predictable ? How is it that I could rightly predict that you would pretend not to see all those verses on predestination which knock out your argument on freewill?

Sigh. Worever.
Foreign AffairsRe: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 1:17pm On Apr 28
raumdeuter:
I am asking what type of stupid is the people on your side who saw Biden and claimed he was sharp as a tack
I am not responsible for them.
Foreign AffairsRe: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 1:16pm On Apr 28
raumdeuter:
Give us an example of the corruption you admitted happened under Obama and Bidens regime
I will do one better. I will give you a scenario that mirrors both sides doing the exact same thing. Influence peddling by Hunter Biden and Eric Trump.

The Pentagon has awarded a contract to Eric Trump's company recently.

Both administrations are guilty of this kind of thing.

There.
This is how to be balanced and objective.
Foreign AffairsRe: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 1:09pm On Apr 28
raumdeuter:
What do you call your type of stooopidity and the left who saw Biden and told everyone he was as sharp as a tack?
How does this relate to the video I sent. Secondly I didn't do what you claimed and not everyone did.
Foreign AffairsRe: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 1:08pm On Apr 28
raumdeuter:
So by your admission those who hide their corruption are better than those who do not hide theirs
That was not my conclusion. My conclusion was that I admit the corruption of both whereas you lot can never admit Trumps glaring corruption.
Christianity EtcRe: Old Age & God by DeepSight(op): 1:06pm On Apr 28
NerdCat:
Was this corruption foreseeable to an omniscient God? If yes, then why was the door left open?
The very fact that this supposedly omniscient God regrets his actions is enough to throw his omniscience into the dust bin.
Christianity EtcRe: Old Age & God by DeepSight(op): 1:05pm On Apr 28
TV01:
Nice line of thinking...although ultimately incorrect.
The fall of man wasn't a slip-up by God, neither was it by His design. But, He knew it would happen, and it is dealt with as part of His unfolding plan
Ephesians 3:10
to the intent that now the manifold wisdom of God might be made known by the church to the principalities and powers in the heavenly places,


TV
This is laughably escapist. The same God that blocked access to the Tree of Life from fear that man would eat of it and become "as one of us?"

The same God that expressed regret and repentance over his decisions several times? An omniscient God cannot do that. That is logically impossible.
Christianity EtcRe: Old Age & God by DeepSight(op): 1:01pm On Apr 28
TV01:
Are train makers responsible for the free will decisions of people who throw themselves under trains?


TV
I knew it will end with so called free will. But let us examine this.

1. Your God is said to be all powerful.

2. Your God, being an all powerful creator has created a world and life with set choices. In other words, the spectrum of possible choices is determined by your God. To break that down for you, you cannot, for example, choose to be a rabbit today, or choose to stop breathing and still live. The choices you have are limited to a framework and a world- scenario determined by your God.

3. Given (2) above your God could always have created a world scenario with a framework and set choices which preclude the death, disease, natural disasters and evil inherent in his creation.

4. But going even beyond all this, your God preaches predestination and says that he in fact determines everything that happens. Do you need me to produce the verses?

Here:

​Ephesians 1:11: "In him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will."

​Romans 8:29-30: "For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son... And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified."

​Isaiah 46:10: "I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say, 'My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please.'"

Proverbs 16:9: "In their hearts humans plan their course, but the Lord establishes their steps."

​Proverbs 20:24: "A person’s steps are directed by the Lord. How then can anyone understand their own way?"

​Psalm 37:23: "The Lord makes firm the steps of the one who delights in him."

​Proverbs 19:21: "Many are the plans in a person’s heart, but it is the Lord’s purpose that prevails."

There you go. Predestination is clear.
So your argument is thoroughly defeated.

But knowing you, you will pretend not to see these crystal clear verses just as you pretend not to see those on slavery and witches.
Christianity EtcRe: Old Age & God by DeepSight(op): 12:53pm On Apr 28
LordReed:
If train makers could stop people from being hurt by trains and did nothing then yeah train makers would be bad. Is your god a frail human or the all powerful? Why are you using human frailties to excuse your god? It's because your god is a human invention and cannot but have those limitations as well. LoLz.
GBAM.

They just dont know that they have to choose one between all-good/ merciful and all powerful.
Foreign AffairsRe: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 11:40am On Apr 28
TV01:
I am not saying anything about Darwin. About the historical thinking and notions that informed his position.
Are you trying to make a point about ARW? 'Cos I don't get it huh Probably me - I am not evolved enough grin


TV
What is this gibberish?
Christianity EtcRe: Old Age & God by DeepSight(op): 11:22am On Apr 28
NerdCat:
We will, after you explain how a perfect being can produce such flawed products, and then blame said products for their own malfunction rather than checking the original blueprints for glaring errors.
GBAM!
Foreign AffairsRe: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 11:04am On Apr 28
TV01:
You are pained abi grin.
Atheism\Humanism\Materialism, all join. Whatever shakes the fist at God.


TV
Are you saying that Darwin came up with the ToE because he was an atheist or humanist?

I hope you know of Alfred Russel Wallace who simultaneously came up with the same theory.

He was a spiritualist and argued that natural selection alone could not account for higher human faculties like artistic talent, mathematical ability, or moral sense. He believed a "Higher Intelligence" must have guided the evolution of the human spirit
Christianity EtcRe: Old Age & God by DeepSight(op): 10:58am On Apr 28
TV01:
The entry of sin corrupted the creation - specifically the domain of man.


TV
Animals are not robots that have no sense of pain. It is wrong to make them suffer for what they have no part in.
Besides you know very well that this is an excuse.

1. Are you sure you can sustain the idea that death was only the consequence of sin? Because to do so, remember you will have to say that man was intended to live in the physical world forever. Do you wish to say that?

2. The spectrum of diseases in the world is such that no one can attribute to sin. Did mosquitoes for example only begin to exist because of sin? Add to them the entire line of viruses, bacteria etc which are themselves also critical and cardinal to the existence of life!
Christianity EtcRe: Old Age & God by DeepSight(op): 10:51am On Apr 28
TV01:
No it isn't.
Death (and all that is wrong with the world) entered through sin. God's creation was perfect. And it will be restored. Join us smiley.


TV
How come animals are affected by death, disease, old age, etc if they didnt participate in sin, or is that just your Yahweh's usual habit of punishing the innocent for the sins of the guilty.
Foreign AffairsRe: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 10:47am On Apr 28
TV01:
Oga, learn to read and understand.

I said the wellspring - those same notions also helped form Darwinian thinking. Was also the fount of Nazi thinking. Not even sure why you have a problem with slavery as that is a logical inference if one subscribes to such ideas.


TV
SHATTTAP!

Atheism / humanism are NOT the wellspring of the ToE.
Foreign AffairsRe: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 10:43am On Apr 28
basilico:
This one I have facts on my fingertips.
I only need to check what I've posted here.
Let's go..Give it a shot . One by one not all of it on one post.
Start with the outcomes of his actions vis-a-vis Russia's interests.

1. Ukraine - Vastly reducing support to Ukraine, thus giving Russia the upper hand

2. NATO - His rhetoric about NATO reads like it was drafted by the Russian Foreign Ministry - they could not wish for better. NATO is the most important bulwark of the west against Russia and he threatens to destroy it.

3. Iran - He has lifted sanctions blocking sales of Russian Oil thus making billions for Russia. He has even extended that lift.

Start with these and focus on outcomes so as not to be dribbled. Then you will see clearly whats happening.

A deeper dive will require exhaustive discussion on what the Russia investigations revealed. And they revealed a lot that was not even denied, but going there will take too much time and energy when you are not worth such investment.
Foreign AffairsRe: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 10:38am On Apr 28
LordReed:
LoLz. BRO! When did Darwin propose ToE?
I have told you that chap is not to be taken seriously on these matters.
Foreign AffairsRe: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 10:37am On Apr 28
TV01:
Atheistic\humanist\materialist thinking reintroduced old notions of natural hierarchy (read racial categorisation), which drove the thinking and justification for the slave trade. The wellspring of Darwinism and the whole TOE nonsense.

This happened as Christian principles of universal human dignity were weakened. This helped drive the re-introduction of slavery, particularly the TAST between the 15th\19th centuries. Christianity had repeatedly made inroads into abolishing slavery from the 11th century, until it finally succeeded.


TV
You should be ashamed of yourself. Darwin proposed the Theory of Evolution in 1858, centuries after Christians had been practicing slavery, relying on scripture.

And you dare accuse others of being dishonest. This is not just dishonesty, it remains illiteracy.
Foreign AffairsRe: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 10:34am On Apr 28
Obrigardo:
Just that Seun is not innovative enough, he would have created a voice section, coz I would have mocked these nuisance till they go find a nook for their miserable life.
I could read them all the hate filled dangerous and disgusting rhetoric from their tyrant sexual predator overlord, and then ask them why they hold him to a far lower lesser and dirty standards than any other human.

Then turn around to worship him like they've never seen anything like a man with gangrenous hands, wears toilets for trousers, can't walk straight, slurs, can't read intelligently, knows just about 5-6 words, vulgar, uncouth, corrupt and highly schizophrenic and narcissistic.


I would have loved to hear them defend that while we laugh so hard at them.

I think they know better in private, they just feel happiness in making us angry.
Well said, but as per your last line, the sad truth is that they are not pretending. They truly worship the man.
Foreign AffairsRe: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 10:30am On Apr 28
basilico:
Let's delve into that. You made the claim now follow it with evidence
I am not sure it will be worth my while. After all the things you placed on your bucket list are still hanging there unattended to up till now. I dont want to expand that list.

All I can tell you is that you should read between the lines and focus on the actual outcomes of his actions vis-a-vis Russia's interests (use Ukraine, NATO and Iran as cases - you will find that his actions have very carefully fulfilled Russian objectives).
PoliticsRe: Lagosians Criticise Jandor For Campaigning In Arabic by DeepSight(m): 10:21am On Apr 28
GloriousGbola:
people posting in english to criticise jandor for a post in arabic

there is freedom of religion. nigeria and the internet and twitter is not for christains only.

these are the ones who will be wailing about religious intolerance tomorrow
But language is a different matter from religion. I would think its rather like someone posting in Latin because they are Catholic. Doesn't work in my humble estimation, especially as Arabic is not one of the languages of Nigeria either official or non official.

Furthermore, its use being tied to religion says something - officials should try as much as possible to detach themselves from religion in public affairs.
Foreign AffairsRe: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 9:47am On Apr 28
basilico:
So FBI refused to investigate Hillary Clinton schemes to extort donations to her foundation.
She couldn't use her email.gov so she used her private server. When she was subpoenad for her emails she deleted them.
Comey stopped her email investigation and exonerated her.
She instead accused Trump of being Putin puppet.

FBI ran with it .. The Russia hoax with Obama fully roped in.

If you don't think there was grave injustice done to Trump ,started by Hillary and Obama which morphed into ten years non stop block Trump by all means. Impeach ,bankrupt, shoot ,block executive orders .
Beyond all cavil, Trump is a mala fide asset of the Kremlin.
PoliticsRe: Sanwo-olu debunks SaharaReporters Story, Insists Not Asked To Resign by DeepSight(m): 8:29am On Apr 28
bolaayenimo:
Very lucky man. That Aisha is a solid woman
Why do you say this.

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