₦airaland Forum

tctrills:
One beautiful thing about the US is that the stats are there. We can see performance by race. Nothing is hidden.
So instead of asking how we can improve black results, what do leftist do, accuse Asians of racism.
Now, excellence is equated to racism

Is it beyond you that children from secure homes necessarily perform better than children from economically challenged homes or is this another excuse in your eyes? As in, you can put a hungry and homeless child beside a well fed and protected one in an exam and then attribute the failure of the disadvantaged one to laziness right?

But the point is even where you see any successful black person you will still like Kirk saying it's DEI.

In short they can never merit anything in your sight.
It's hopeless.

cococandy:
I guess he was supposed to give special treatment to black Americans only?

So that you and your racycists paymasters can say he was giving black Americans unmerited treatment?

Aside from that he talks as though being president, and such a dignified one at that, was not "doing anything" - not a single thing, to uplift the very status of blacks.

I am not an Obama fan for his attitude to Nigeria in particular but just look at that silly question.

tctrills:
Maybe it's because Asians pass exams.

And you would never consider that blacks pass any exams of course. Everything they get is a DEI gift, no be so?

tctrills:
Yes we can and should talk about cause.
But no where did you mention the blacks as part of the cause. It's always someone else to you.
Why is that foolish?
The best and fastest way to bring about change is by changing the things under your control.
You can't change climate and geography, you really can't change the white man. But we blacks can make changes on ourselves and societies.
So when you skip the black man as the main culprit, you can find solutions.
And why is it that whenever blacks like us talk about solution, you leftist shut us up, calling us racists and slaves.
Something is very wrong

False. We holistically state everything, including the faults of our people. And unlike you, also the causes of those faults.

You simply say white good black bad.

To say that that is lazy is an understatement.

tctrills:
No where have you spoken about the failures of the black man.
You blame God (climate and geography)
You blame the white man.
But the most important person in the equation, you leave out. Are you ever serious?

The simple law of cause and effect tells you that there is actually a cause, a reason, and explanation for everything in this world.

Pointing them out actually helps identify solutions.

It's only you and your ilk that see the legitimate explanations as excuses. Of course if I gave you explanations for white depravity you will not utter the word excuses.

I feel dirty interacting with you. Be off.

tctrills:
Oga provide solution.
The explanation of slavery, colonization and segregation no longer exist. There is basically nothing the whites can do to save the black race. It's entirely in your hands but you are a leftist, you have to blame the whites

In everything I have written, I guess the climate, the geography are also white men.
Please go away.

You and your views are most unwanted.

tctrills:
Leftist and tantrums. The West Bank produces nothing yet has a higher standard of living than most of Africa. You leftists need to read more

Good morning.

tctrills:
I don't know where you get your news from but under affirmative action, black kids who scored 20% lower than whites and Asians were admitted to elite colleges.
Just a month ago, blacks had their own segregated districts because they were viewed too weak to compete politically with the rest of America.
The major reason why the leftists oppose voter I'd is because they feel blacks are incapable of getting an ID.
You have become a pampered class just like the Palestinians. And pampered people never learn to compete.
You love going back in history to show racism so let me take you back.
The founder of Planned Parenthood Margaret Sanger the biggest abortion provider in US stated their goal "We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population,"
In 1926, Sanger spoke to the women’s auxiliary of the Ku Klux Klan (KKK) in New Jersey to promote birth control methods,
So when you talk about systemic racism, just know that the abortion of the black baby was part of the plan. But even at that, I insist that we take responsibility and resist.

Palestinians are pampared?
Sick. Shift.

tctrills:
Excuses excuses excuses
Let's talk solution.
No 2 nations have the same history but the key to growth remains the same, good leadership and the right social cultures and habits.
A culture that encourages innovation, adventure, creativity, hardwork and honesty.

You talk as though a phenomenon cannot have a legitimate explanation. And that any such explanation is an excuse. At all events, you are still under excommunication and the watch of serpents and scorpions as a potential trafficker in humans.

TV01 you mentioned that at least one nation has "cut and paste" development. Which is that pray tell? UAE? Singapore? If its these nations you have in mind, my answer is that these are micro homogenous states and cannot be compared to complex behemoths like Nigeria. Singapore is a single city for pete's sake, with barely a quarter of the population of Lagos!

Secondly the circumstances and histories still remain different.

This does not mean that we are not encouraged to do better, we really have to do much better.

tctrills:
I remember asking you what you propose or your suggestions to lift black America. Your answer was basically do nothing. Then again you added that systemic racism should be stopped.

I am tired of this kind of mischaracterization of what one says.
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They tell you that you can't get into university unless the requirements are lowered. We call it quota system in Nigeria, we tried it on the north, how did it go?

PS: No one lowers requirements in America.

basilico:
You are suggesting that those jailed and pardoned deserve no compensation.
Around 300 were jailed on a charge that the Supreme Court ruled was illegally stacked up on them.
What you suggest happens to these 300.
The prosecutors prevailed upon the judges to impose maximum enhanced sentences stemming from that charge
It was a loose interpretation of the law passed to prevent another Enron situation
What you say?

Regarding J6 ,why did J6 Committee destroy the evidence they collected.Why were they all pardoned.
Who was the legal consultant to the J6 and what other lawfare had she been engaged in since 2016 after taking over from John Carlin.

Just my advice, You better not comment on matters where you have not heard the other side .

Are you seriously asking me why J6 people were pardoned? Are you joking?

basilico:
The insurrection was instigated by FBI .
Get that through your head.
Those jailed for merely exercising first amendment rights need compensation.
They wanted Trump permanently to cover their crimes. You are a victim of the liberal lies.

QAnon talk. Flat Earth Talk.

Goo0dHardDick:
Atiku will never smell presidency ever again. I'd rather vote kwankwaso than to vote Atiku the greedy f..ool

What happened in 2019 when he teamed up with obi? Dude, Obi can and mustn't be vice to Atiku. Is obi a kid to you?

We're going to be OK!

If Bola returns, it's Obis single handed doing.

jchioma:
It’s obvious that Amaechi will become Atiku’s vice in the absence of any credible candidate but Nigerians will decide who will win las las.

That's if Nigerians are ready to flood the polls next year and defend their choice. If not, it will be the choice of Bola and a few of his arch local and foreign cultists.

happney65:
"want to copy former President Obasanjo, he is a Nationalist. You might not like him, I had disagreements with him, but he is a Nigerian President, not a Yoruba President"

Dass all.

But Tinubu supporters who are mostly closest tribalists do not like Obasanjo. To them Obasanjo is not Yoruba enough and they hate him with all their strength

But the one that claims he is yoruba enough,his region is nearly over ran by terrorists with school kidnapping happening. As in unbelievable. While the so called yoruba president is helpless

I trust OBJ. Obasanjo's shoot at sight at members of the OPC who went haywire in the early 2000's nipped the crises in the bud once and for all.

Baba Iyawo fún ara e.

Actually there is a class and group of Yoruba who firmly believe that Obasanjo is Igbo.

elder1002:
The best there was and there is

4 premier league in a row

Set the bar so high that you need to be consistent to win the league cup.

Master tactician and strategist

Converts average players to play one of the beautiful football ever seen in premier league


The best manager there ever was in premier league.

Pep




*Why Pep edges Fergie in the first 10 years*

Look at it straight up: *20 trophies in 10 years vs 6*. That’s not a small gap.

*1. He won more, and he won bigger*
Pep’s haul at City from 2016-2026:

*6 Premier Leagues,
1 Champions League,
5 League Cups,
3 FA Cups,
3 Community Shields,
1 UEFA Super Cup,
1 Club World Cup*.

That’s 4 titles in a row from 2021-2024 – no English club has ever done that. 100 points, 98 points, 93 points seasons. He didn’t just win, he broke the ceiling of what winning looks like in the PL.

Fergie in his first 10 years at United 1986-1996:
*3 PLs,
1 FA Cup,
1 League Cup,
1 Cup Winners’ Cup*.

Respect to the rebuild, but the output isn’t close.

*2. He did it in a tougher league*

Pep’s City had to beat peak Klopp Liverpool, this Arsenal team, and a Chelsea side spending crazy money just to get to May with the title. Every game in the PL now is a fight. Fergie’s early dominance came before the money flooded in and before every mid-table team had a tactical coach and data team.

*3. He changed the game, not just his club*
Go to any academy or watch any PL game now and you’ll see Pep’s fingerprints. Inverted fullbacks, controlled possession, pressing traps, false nines. Managers across Europe copied him because it worked. Fergie was a master man-manager and could adapt, but he didn’t set the tactical blueprint for the next 20 years.

*4. He delivered in Europe when it mattered*

City’s first ever Champions League in 2023, plus 6 straight semis in 10 years. The UCL now is a minefield – every knockout tie is against another billion-pound squad. Fergie didn’t even get to a UCL final in his first 10 years.

*5. He kept it going without falling off*
Pep rebuilt that City squad 3 times. KDB aging, Aguero leaving, Cancelo drama, still they win. The system outlives the players. Fergie’s first 10 years was about building the culture. Once it was built, the trophies came in waves. Pep had the waves immediately.

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Fergie built United from the ground up and that deserves respect. But if we’re talking pure results, dominance, and impact on the game in the first 10 years, *Pep’s numbers and influence are on another level*.

20 trophies. 4 in a row. Changed how football is played. That’s the argument.

Nice write up except that you dubiously left our the biggest factor. Access to interminable and unprecedented money.

TV01:
Not so fast. I'm not that easy. You will yield first - I prefer the left knee .


TV

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I don't agree with your position. I feel that we have succinctly expressed our views and that's why there is no need for a detailed rebuttal anymore. What is necessary now is to extract from you what you forsee. And I expect that you will have no choice but to admit that in due course time will heal the concerns. Once that is the case you will have to be the one to bend the knee.

TV01:
As my responses always are

I gave you the benefit of the doubt, but given it persists, perhaps naive me should not have. My main thrust is the civilisational levels arising from different cultural milieux - not race, ethnicity or colour. I don't actually believe in those things as markers in any meaningful way. Or a basis for explaining anything that is not peripheral at best. I understand that some ideologies, worldviews or belief systems may make a thing of them, but mine does not, and I don't. I consider use of terms such as "white people" to be strawmanning.

Of course, to a degree. Just as long distance runners will develop differently to weight-lifters. But the differences will be peripheral in a sense, as at core they remain built of the same stuff. Culturally, it's can be different to several orders magnitude - not due to colour or ethnicity.

Some may try and fuse the two. But it fall's apart when you factor in the the Biblical narrative regards sin and death. Hopefully God is just after faith in Christ and this can be a 2nd order matter - although it can damage the underpinnings of faith. But we digress.

My take on the role of climate differs from yours - whatever climatic, or other hinderances men faced, they should serve as spurs for development, hurdles to scale, not reasons for failing to develop.

As noted, I see this as strawmanning, I don't see it as the development of different races, more the outworking of different cultural milieux. Including historical events and experiences, tradition, custom, religion, mythology, and all the other things that feed into a people' or nations culture and consciousness.

On the way to where. One of the underpinning assertions of your thesis is that all roads lead to development. On what basis? Indeed, you reference to historical eras and empires cuts both ways, as firstly, they all crumbled eventually and secondly, there would have been many we don't know of, or refer to, that were never able to establish themselves as nations or independent people groups.

The bible says "if you say you see and say you have no sin, then your sin remains". Now that all nations can "see" what development looks like, there are no excuses. What the laggard nations have repeatedly shown is that they don't have the will or the wherewithal to outwork their antecedents. They always revert to type.

What I expect is that they will revert to what is inherent. Newly independant nations have navigated their way to success. A plan can be forged, a pathway determined, a blueprint drawn up. I admit that, ethnic and sectarian differences, literacy levels and other things can all serve to hinder, but if the will and vision (and pre-cursor civilisational levels) are there it will come to pass. Even if it's a long road.

It doesn't matter, it's the cultural and consciousness response - regardless of the events, which may well be similar.

You continue to make the case against your own hypothesis? Notions of individual freedoms, rights, liberties and association, patriotism, a sense of commonwealth, strong institutions and the rule of law to which all are equally subject cannot arise sustainably and at scale from the majority, if not all, of cultural milieux that exist in Africa, not just BA.

Answered this above. And please note, wars, strife and conflict are not necessarily drivers for advance or development.

Screams paucity.

Or an African looking people group could have. They could also have been favoured as human sacrifices by the other locals

I'm a creationist. I believe all mankind originated from Adam via Noah. Probably somewhere Africa'ish, but to me it's a moot point.

Doesn't follow that ultimately a fully functioning nation will evolve. Time and chance happen to all men. Because all go to school, doesn't mean all will graduate or advance to higher education, or take masters or doctorate degrees.

But yet at least one other natoion has cut and paste rapid development. Thus falsifying your arguement.

The old "billions and billions" . Apart the fact that "democracy" is not the only way to govern or run societies, neither is it the only way to do so successfully., even if it's the best? It doesn't mean that it is the obligatory outcome for every people group or nation. Kraal life baybay .

Do the feudal Fula look like they will ever take to democracy? Or not corrupt it beyond recognition. Perhaps you see the Somali with VAWA legislation and full LGBTQ&^%$£ representation . Oga, get use to my term "inherency", you can't escape it. Those tribes travelled to where they are culturally over millenia, and that path is not the way to the enlightenment or modernity your describe. What you portray is somewhere between a hard cope and a fantasy.

But boko is haram ? They are killing and willing to be killed for that. But oh yeah, but after billions and billions...

Let's be honest, where there has been development and advance, it has been foisted upon! And as certain parts of the world continue to progress technologically, some things will travel just because. Afterall, mobile phones made it to Africa, as have a host of other gadgets
But you can have modern appurtenances in a backward society. There will always be flows now e have conquered climate, distance and to a degree time. But what makes a people place high on the civilisational hierarchy is "inhenrency" .

There will always be civilisation, it's just to what degree. To form and sustainably maintain a modern western style democracy or something that closely mimics it, especially at scale, requires a certain cultural milieu, or FD as you would say . Only a few nations\peoples have acquired it. So whether it is foisted upon those that don't, they attempt to imitate it or, they move in large numbers to a ready made one, it cannot hold,

Let me leave you with this, Jeremiah 17:9 - “The heart is deceitful above all things, And desperately wicked; Who can know it?


TV

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Thank you again. All said and done, let me ask you what your expectation is of African nations one hundred years from now.

JuanDeDios:
Wait, Mr Abure is still forming chairman of LP?

Ol' boy e tire me oh

Xxxxxx

How many times will the Supreme Court have to sack this man before he goes to sit down? ? ? ?

chieveboy:
Now I see where the mixup is coming from. Using the dictionary meaning and applying it across board generously.

Doing so will see the works of other philosophers and ideologists translate into religions whereas they are not one:

-What is the religion of Guru Maharaji?
-Is Neoplatonism a religion?
- Is 'Pilotry' a religion?
- What of Football?

Please we all know what we mean by religion in this particular context.

"Religion is a structured system of beliefs, practices, and worldviews that connects humanity to the supernatural or transcendental." It typically has specific ritualistic practices of a sacred nature.

Overly skewed in favour of England. How Henry VIII is ahead of Julius Caesar and Genghis Khan says it all.

IronGalaxy:
Believe what you want.. im tired of wasting my precious time

Escapist. Living in denial..

Skullminers1:
I wish Binyamin Netanyahu and Donald Trump will capitalize on this South Africa Xenophobic atrocities and pay them back for championing hate against Israel and arresting of Binyamin Netanyahu at ICC

Do you know why SA has a bond with Palestine?

IronGalaxy:
Done with this nonsense

Indeed! After the gruff of claiming it's propaganda

IjeBos:
Trump is dropping the suit in order not to have any judicial oversight.
The judge was going to drop the hammer.

The dismissal of this suit allows him to negotiate with his own DOJ to attempt to steal 1.7 Billion dollars for some nonsense fund.
This is pure outright corruption that we wouldn't even see in Nigeria let alone the US.
There is nothing altruistic about this move.

Of course, kwarapshin at its peak. I vigorously concur.

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/19BnPaQq51/

Guys look at this and consider Trump

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bemeruca:
Hey, Cococandy, look at a good billionaire.

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Do you know of a term called conflict of interest and can you see any conflict in negotiating with a department you supervise?

TV01:
The historic depth and breadth of your posts whilst commendable, tend to not address specific points. I'll try and respond thematically. Some housekeeping first.

I only deploy acronyms which have been used previously, or, to mirror phrases\expressions in the post I am responding to. I am happy to be corrected on definitions if the originator feels I am incorrectly applying them.

Many thanks for your considered response.

I feel your use of words like savage and barbaric are incendiary, against the spirit of the treaty, and can silently ascribe things to me which I have not stated or implied.

My apologies, it was not meant that way in this instance.

First up - Evolution. I do not subscribe to he TOE. I believe men (and all living) were created. And fully formed at that, regardless of the stage in the life-cycle.

Well, interesting. Nevertheless, surely you agree that the logic stands. The logic of isolated groups developing uniquely or differently.

As an aside, ToE is not necessarily mutually exclusive with Creationism. The Catholic Church for example, seems happy to believe it.

Secondly - Climate. On the map you used to illustrate, most of Australia and SA are shown as temperate zones. What happened there? I am happy to agree that climate, topography, and the like all play a role. But understanding human beings as created with advanced consciousness and capabilities, these "limiting factors" are too spur advance and development, not be used as an excuse for backwardness.

I am glad to see an acceptance that climate plays a role, that is only rational. This does not mean one adopts it as an excuse for backwardness of any sort and this is a suitable juncture for me to clear something up.

People of your school of thought - both here and offline, always seem to think that when one offers these explanations as to the way the different races have turned out developmentally, one is making excuses. Bemeruca, Tctrills, raumdeuter, each seem to think this way as well. Nothing could be further from the truth. You guys also conclude that it is an avoidance of responsibility. It is not.

What is scientifically and anthropologically true cannot be waved aside - that does not imply that anyone is making excuses or avoiding any responsibility. Responsibility, at all events, CANNOT be avoided - no one is coming to fix life for anyone else - each must "work out his salvation with fear and trembling" if I may borrow that phrase from scripture. And indeed as tumultuous as our situation is in Africa, the truth is that we are on the way.

We just tend not to see it so well because of the ups and downs and the madness and the scattered nature of our progress. The hideous corruption, the waste, the illiteracy and all that. But think about it. What do you realistically expect? Newly independent nations with borrowed systems (ways of doing things) shoddily clamped into incompatible unions (such as Nigeria) naturally prone to suspicion and strife and conflict - and you expect a smooth ride to efficient systems? Never gonna happen sorry. It was ALWAYS gonna be a rough ride.

It was a rough ride everywhere else and you have to understand that there is nothing we are going through that developed nations have not also experienced.

And let me say something. Don't underestimate what conflict and suspicion do to retard development. The natural patriotism being absent, everyone in government is therefore prone to be there to better his lot without a care for the country. Because many do not in fact identify with the country! Barring our love of football, Nigerians are rarely to be seen with a united patriotic fervor for Nigeria the way many homogenous nations or nations which have blended well tend to have.

Thirdly - Travel. You mentioned how travel and intermingling aided development. Yes, but the impetus "to develop" has to be natal. Men have gone from riding horses to launching rockets. We could have done perfectly well - and did - without trains, automobiles or aeroplanes. Why did one milieu deliver all of this and the other not - excuse the pun - so much as get off the ground?

When did native BA cross seas or deserts? or even travel by land far away from their homesteads. The spirit of adventure and pioneering went missing with it's cousins, curiosity and innovation.

Yes, white men are more adventurous but again there is a reason! You really underestimate the extent to which environment conditions culture and the mind! You really really do! Before the age of exploration, Europe had become agriculturally saturated in many ways, if it is right for me to use that expression, but I trust you get what I mean. There became a need to move outwards. I hope you know Europe as it appears on world maps relative to other continents is larger on the maps than it is in reality. It is a small tight space. And then coupled with the wars and conflicts and strife and competition, the need to push outwards was inevitable. This is also a result of very limited resources in Europe as it began to develop more actively.

Having said that there are a number of historical seaward journeys undertaken by Africans, but not many enough for me to make heavy weather of. The same way the Chinese actually set out with one one the mightiest exploratory fleets at one time somewhere at the tail end of the middle ages but it returned without much success. The African expedition I refer to was commissioned by a Songhai or Malian King if I remember correctly.

But aside from this, what hidden secrets are resting in deep history? Because have you ever looked at the Olmec statues in Meso-America? Notice their unmistakably African features - wide noses and think lips - which make it clear that somewhere in the unrecorded past, Africans must have reached the Americas! I attach images of these statues below.

https://blackpast.org/global-african-history/olmec-heads-of-mexico-1200-400-b-c/

Finally I trust you are aware that all the peoples of the world at all events migrated out of Africa?

Fourthly - through time and history, eras and epochs, empires and civilisations, humans have advanced and created complex societies governed by the main underpinnings of economics, politics, ethics and technology. It's all known now. We have conquered climate and distance.

I am not presenting Fukuyama here and feel there can be variations on how we order things and there will still be incremental and even transformational change, bit the essentials of modern day societies are with us. All available and should be readily replicated by those with even minimal levels of FD and the will

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Time, events, chaos, ripple effects.

Does not having first-hand knowledge of what others have achieved, are doing or aspire too, provide sufficient impetus for local development? You have made all the excuses, but there are glaring reasons. Nothing has to be invented or imagined. It's simply a cut and past of what is already extant. And with stupendous oil wealth, it could simply be bought in.

I am sorry I have already told you that development cannot be "cut and paste."

Look at democracy for example. It is a painstaking process that has to be a lived experience and become a natural disposition and culture. That will take decades to imbibe and perfect, that is after the chaos of wars and coups of course! And after societies have imbibed them, long periods of peace and patriotism will be required. Long, long, long periods of educational improvement and output.

One does not catch up overnight with countries that have had universities for a millennium okay?

Corruption, lawlessness and degeneracy are why the empires and civilisations of the past fell. That appears to me to be the starting point for many BA nations. Were to from there? Talk about long past civilisations or natural conditions do not tell us the solutions or how. Greed, self-aggrandisement and lawlessness wrapped in parochiality are writ large in the consciousness of BA. These at least are the first instance reasons why they cannot only not invent or innovate, but they can't even re-imagine, recreate, or outright copy.


TV

These are all common to all societies throughout history and will even out over time - not to perfection, but arch towards improvement.

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By splitting the opposition he has handed victory to the incumbent and this is a selfish act.

chieveboy:
Well, if you say so. But I know having an elaborate set of rituals or followership shouldn't translate to a religion. PDP, APC all have such

Religions are focused on spiritual seeking, obviously. Not political.

Ol boy just use a dictionary. You will see the answer.