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tctrills:
You guys would say any bad thing about Trump that now it doesn't matter. Everyone expects that from you.
Was Biden corrupt?

Yes Biden was corrupt. That is the difference between me and you. I admit it.

But Trump, whose own is open and writ large, remains a saint yo you.

Despite everything he does openly.

This phenomenon is scary and must be studied in mass psychology in future.

RodgersAkpafu:
and their black worshippers will keep hailing them

Imagine one of them saying that anyone saying Trump is corrupt can't be taken seriously . . . I mean this guy does his own corruption openly and yet!

What is it called when you negotiate a settlement deal with a department you supervise? ? ? ?

I know that to be conflict of interest but somehow since it's Trump all known principles of law and ethics are irrelevant!

tctrills:
You are just a Trump hater. What open display of greed?
When you guys accuse Trump of corruption, no one takes you serious and for good reason.

Lol, so Trump is not corrupt. I don hia.

bemeruca:
No, I am not bashing blacks.
I am talking about 60 years of failure to develop after independence you are deflecting to Trump.

While saying that 180 years of failure to grant citizens rights in America is "irrelevant." Well done.
As I keep saying Europe stagnated for 1000 years. Its called the middle ages.

But you will say that is irrelevant history, no be so?

RodgersAkpafu:
Leave am make he dey cap
2020 we saw white pigs storm the capitol

If that happened in Abuja, these guys would have been calling Africans names

But its excusable when white folks do it

These ones have gone far far

Those guys threw sh*t on the capitol walls and you are right, if that happened here they would call us animals. But they actually defend what those guys did, they are happy they are pardoned and now they are happy Trump will corruptly compensate them!

bemeruca:
My point is that lack of education does not explain everything, especially today.

Education can improve awareness, but education alone does not fix corruption, bad leadership, broken families, crime, greed, tribalism, or destructive culture.

Why do you say "education alone?" What is wrong with you? Why do you try to isolate each factor we point out? No matter what we say, you try to pretend we are saying that is the only cause. How many times do I have to shout that there are myriad interlocking factors?

If I talk about history, you will say its in the past. If I talk about climate you will say that is long story. If I talk about colonization you will say I am blaming whites. If I talk about time, you will say laziness. And yet you dare talk about greed, the same greed that is common to humanity and which right nw is on lavish open display with Trump without an iota of condemnation from you and tctrills and co.

No one ever isolated one factor alone and its madness to keep saying "its not this alone, its not that alone" when we all agree its many things.

bemeruca:
Irrelevant to what we are talking.

Excuses. Of course I said it that when anything wrong is pointed out with white society thats when your own excuses will start. How is what she said irrelevant? You are shouting about the state of a society that is 66 years independent and saying that its irrelevant that it took a white society 180 years to think its fair to give its own citizens equal rights - and interestingly those citizens are still the ones you condemn for greed, laziness, poor culture etc.

No one can make up this level of absurdity. Its surreal.

GracieX3:
The USA was formed in 1776. Black people got rights in 1964/1968.
It took USA over 180 years to get sense.

You expect Nigeria to do miracles in 60 years

Phew! Thank you!

RodgersAkpafu:
America has a president in power committing open air corruption

What separates him from the emefiele you are vilifying?

You think its black and white ?

There is undeniable evidence that the system of white supremacy and the interests it protects are VERY responsible for the state of Africa

You can reference internal failings, but an African who minimises the external influence should be ashamed

I tire. The guy talks like greed is a unique black African trait.

TV01:
Am Yisrael Chai.
It's in quotes. Don't deflect jor .

Israel are battering the hayrab\moose.slm hordes with one hand whilst pioneering tech advance, leading scientific enquiry and making barren lands fruitful with the other - in barely 3 generations, whilst shrugging off aunty sem.ee.tism. You are hoping for clement weather, wailing against "raycism" and asking for a few more centuries - before you can lay a passable road or roll out flushing loos at scale. Abeg, leave off .


TV

You stated that even in a century black Africans will make no progress. You went on to challenge me to point out one single area of progress since the period of independence. You didn't believe there was any.

That is an extremist view. It is an overly dim view of an entire race. It shows conclusively that you do not believe that this race can do a single positive thing ever.

This is more extremely racist against the black African than the most extremist white supremacist view I know of.

And when it was shown to you that Education has massively improved and that black South Africa has grown in its middle class, you waved those aside as meaningless.

It's clear that there is nothing blacks can ever do positive in your sight and that shows that this conversation has always been pointless to engage.

On that note, I rest.

TV01:
SO 3'000 years of slavery, persecution, pogroms, holocausts, wars ongong and they still throw down a modern leading edge liberal democracy like no big deal, that's how we do. Whilst your SA are shaka zuluing and your Fulani are geehardiciding . Your Somalis are turning grand larceny into an export grade commodity and you are opening the "excuse exchange". Brother please !



The literacy numbers are not moving your cultural milieu in any meaningful way. Some of your most educated are the most corrupt. Grift and lawlessness it seems are not easily educated out.

Nope, I am saying we have seen no meaningful change to the civilisational aspirations or outworkings. And the artefacts of colonialism have not been maintained or improved upon. You present a hypothesis for an unevidenced future based on unrelated events from the past. I merely present reality as it is .

There are still African people groups who insert objects into their bodies, who live primitive lives. Modernity does not necessarily reach everywhere, or embed in equal measure. I have touched on this repeatedly. Natal inclinations means it often rests lightly and is just a thin veneer over more chaotic persuasions.


I say it as I see it. I present it as it is apparent to all who care to look. I'm not hypothesising or theorising. It's not conjecture, assertion r claim. Natal inclinations will surface, Inherency will out. Truth is, external intervention may be what is required.



TV

Wait a minute, before I even address anything here, are you Israeli? What is "that's how we do?"

tctrills:
I am sure you feel you have made great use of your time but you just wasted everyone's time.
You came here to discuss who lives in the US.
We expect such distractions from the leftists kids
But it's ok, we are used to your time wasting

You were the one with a silly and presumptuous claim.

Fekumzi123:
That would amount to waste of nutrients that my body needs.

How can you eat a rat, including its tail.
Barbaric.

raumdeuter:
Who made the argument that blacks are simply useless? Hopeless strawman argument

When there are incentives for the family to be broken dont act surprised that the outcome is broken families

I knew you would pretend not to see this -

Fourthly this was ended as far back as 1968. Are you suddenly going that far back to find the cause of absentee fatherism today - and is this not odd given that you have complained each time I mention a factor in the past as a cause of anything? Are you not the same person that demands evidence of laws and policies strictly in the present day which affect races? How come you are now reaching to an extinct 30s to 60s rule to claim as the cause of absentee fatherism up till today?

Same you who has constantly demanded policies and laws that are current today or nothing!
Same you who has complained that I reach into the past to explain things.
Shior!

Fekumzi123:
The Sunday was not that dull after all.
After seeing West Ham utd loosing 3-1 to Newcastle, I decided to go back to work.
I work in a gas station.
All of a sudden, someone saw a bush meat hiding very close to us.
Meanwhile, I have a plank hidden around in preparation for such occasion.
I successfully grabbed it and I became the most prepared person for such opportunity.
In life, you have to prepare. Yes.
Even if opportunities comes, if you're not prepared you might lose it.
The rest is history.

You are eating a rat.

TV01:
But that has not stopped Israel, leading in scientific and technological advancement. It did not stop Israel greening the Negev and becoming a net exporting of foodstuffs. In the face of incessant belligerance from their Hay.rab\moose.slim neighbours who hate them for it. Your cultural milieu either can or it can't. Location, geography and climate non-withstanding .

Israel has had a long and complicated 3000 year history of suffering in which they have only bounced back in the last 70 years. So how can you say this? For a good two thousand years these people were scattered across the world and the subject of every kind of persecution. The mere fact that you live in the period of their home coming and resurgence is no reason to dismiss the last 2000 years. And what makes you reason as though the upward swing of every group must happen in the same period?

What I have witnessed is wholescale regression. Please provide metrics to show long-term progress on key social metrics as a starter for 10

Are you for real?

Okay, lets take one obvious one. Education. In 1960, circa 10-15% of the population of sub-Saharan Africa was educated. Today, circa 70 per cent are.

But its gratingly painful that I would have to piont out something as basic as this.

Because you are effectively saying nothing good has happened at all in sub-Saharan Africa post-colonialism! How anyone can make such a blanket claim is utterly beyond me.

This is just absurd even if one looks at the general evolution which is natural to the process of societies - movement from predominant military government to predominant democracies, technological advancement applicable to the whole world, greater infrastructure across board, and many more things to point at.

How is SA better for your average SA since majority rule?

The black middle class has boomed as opposed to the position bequeathed by years of apartheid obviously.

Again, its gratingly painful that I have to point out something like this.

Because it shows how closed you are even to the most obvious changes.

Sadly this just shows how deep your prejudice goes.

It is now obvious that even if I were to stretch the marker to 1000 years from now, you will say Africans will achieve nothing.

I am sorry to say, but tell me how this is not a racist and prejudiced view of Africans?

The has to be "sance" for there to be a "rene" . What would Africans be rediscovering?


TV

It would be useless to discuss the glories of some past African Kingdoms in light of what you are saying here.

raumdeuter:
Incentives determine outcomes

That was the incentives for families to be broken

Ijebos is truly right when he speaks to your incapacity to think. Did you read what I wrote at all? Do you fail to realize that you are saying the government destroyed poor families? How does that help your argument that blacks are simply useless? It doesnt.

Secondly I highlighted words for you. That didnt help you?

Thirdly how does that answer for the poverty of black families in the first place which then made them vulnerable to this?

Fourthly this was ended as far back as 1968. Are you suddenly going that far back to find the cause of absentee fatherism today - and is this not odd given that you have complained each time I mention a factor in the past as a cause of anything? Are you not the same person that demands evidence of laws and policies strictly in the present day which affect races? How come you are now reaching to an extinct 30s to 60s rule to claim as the cause of absentee fatherism up till today?

The double standards, hypocrisy and dishonesty are pitifully laid bare!

raumdeuter:
Go and research what the "Man in the house" law means

"A regulation that was formerly applied in certain jurisdictions that denied poor families welfare payments in the event that a man resided under the same roof with them."

https://www.encyclopedia.com/law/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/man-house-rule

You have mentioned this before, how does it help your case? I will presume your argument would be that men stayed away as it was profitable to the woman who could then get welfare. This does not answer the root of the why because only deep poverty could lead to that in the first place so what you need to answer for is the cause of that deep poverty. Furthermore you are arguing against yourself if you are saying that the law encouraged absentee fatherism effectively. Because that would be the system working against the stability of poor families.

Now take a cold hard look at the words i have highlighted in bold red above and think carefully before responding.

raumdeuter:
What changed 60yrs ago that made blacks who used to be family oriented suddenly stop caring or incentivized to leave their family

Maybe its God who changed his recipe for making blacks in the last 60yrs or maybe its your bogeyman racism white man who forced pregnancy on the women and chased the men away

Stop dancing around and give the answer.
After all your racist hero Charlie Kirk gave his own answer: that there weren't equal rights for blacks. That was his reason.
Give yours.

raumdeuter:
Excuses are like shoe sizes, you will fin one that fits

Its whites, Its sand, its water, its rain, its hiphop, Its God

As for hip hop, its your side that claims that is a cause.

GloriousGbola:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundred_Years%27_War

The Brits and the French went at it for 100 years.

Nor mind am!

raumdeuter:
Mongolia and Siberia cold is in Fahrenheit, the one in Western Europe is in centigrade. Deepsight Am I doing it right? The excuses thing

tctrills:
Deepsight is angry we are questioning his research.

You are just trying to make simplistic caricatures of hard anthropology and the laugh is on you both.
I dont have to keep repeating that there are many interlocking factors.

TV01:
Really? You asked how things would be in a 100 years. Two hundred years ago the foula gee.hard had to be stopped by the Yoruba forcibly. At Osogbo. They are now attempting the very same thing again - albeit on a national scale. https://www.nairaland.com/4325932/termination-fulani-jihad-yorubas-1840.

TV

Another response to this. Could you select one Caucasian tribe and conclude that since they were belligerent over centuries then Europeans as a whole would not make progress? Does that make sense to you?

Yet that is exactly what you have done here.

And mark: no African violence can hold a candle to the violence of Europe in terms of breadth, scale, age, repetition, and sheer brutality.

TV01:
Now, now .

Why are the Fulani still exhibiting the same backwardness they purveyed 200 years ago? Yet you ask me to look 00 years into the future and refuse too countenance the fact that it may be same 'ole, same 'ole, or worse. Why are the Zulu reporting to the methods of Shaka to resolve modern day immigration issues .


TV

Why is Israel still fighting its neighbours 3000 years later?
You see?

Lessons - '
'
1. Recurring decimals are not unique to black people

2. One negative recurring decimal does not mean that there is no progress overall.

tctrills:
Good
So me can't change the circumstances of our birth but we can only make better choices today right?
What choices are we making today? Or do we keep blaming the circumstances of our birth?

Of course not, its work in progress and its not a journey of a single day or even a single lifetime.
I just reminded TV01 how your beloved Israel has literally been in the same conflict for thousands of years, since he ws bringing up the conflict of the Fulani and Yoruba as proof that Africa will stagnate or regress in the next 200 years.

By the way do you share that view?

TV01:
It is a prevailing tendency of theirs. A large part of the Fulani cultural makeup and FD. Animating bloodshed and wholescale slaughter and you would rather it ignored - even as your people are dying

Used metaphorically to show how the FD of most of these peoples and nations will not change without some great impetus. It has take them millenia to arrive at, and solidify their culture as it exists. I have already pointed out the SA donning their animal skins and chasing other Africans with their assegais . What of the wretched mess that is Somalia? And their FD being exported worldwide .

Really? You asked how things would be in a 100 years. Two hundred years ago the foula gee.hard had to be stopped by the Yoruba forcibly. At Osogbo. They are now attempting the very same thing again - albeit on a national scale. https://www.nairaland.com/4325932/termination-fulani-jihad-yorubas-1840.

In the interim period, the world has advanced tremendously. The foula themselves have witnessed it, yet this - gee.hard.? Could you please explain why things will be any different in a 100 years time? Unless they are subdued? Why do you anticipate their FD changing in 100 years when it has remained steady for 200? Despite the tremendous pace of modernity - on view to all?


TV

I grant that certain things tend to be like a recurring decimal among certain people. If I mention the history of Israel and how they are still stuck in violent cycles you will not want to hear that one will you?

Nonetheless it doesnt make sense to claim that you cannot see progress in black African nations even within your lifetime.

Happily, you dont have to admit it. It will occur regardless of your opinion. And even if it didnt occur, your lifetime is too small to be the judge of the matter. How many people lived and died through the stagnant middle ages of Europe?

There can and will be an African Renaissance.

TV01:
Everyone but...


TV

Thats absolutely unfair, my epistles have noted the issues we have such as corruption - which are simply not unique to us. By contrast, you lot pick those issues and act as though they are genetic flaws unique to black people as created by God.

raumdeuter:
If you check history, you will realize that 60yrs ago black families were not like this.

Unless in your own mind, God started making new blacks different from the old ones who stayed with their families

You have blamed climate, blamed God, blamed white men, blamed soil, blamed water already

I am still waiting for the reason.
Oh wait - dont tell me its hip hop?!!!!

raumdeuter:
You quoted the post that gave you the reason but still ask why?

Okay, let me give you the answer you desire, the white man decided to impregnate blacks and ran away or told them to stay away from their family

Dont be silly. Answer the question.

raumdeuter:
Where does Peru fit in your own binary white good, black bad?

Pls dont try to flip your own logic on me. Its tctrills that brought Peruvian desert into the matter and I am asking you if Peru is now a developed first world country. If it is not then the argument you were championing falls apart on that score.

This is aside the fact that I troubled myself to extract the differences in the deserts. In fact, one dessert helps another, but forget it. You guys are too lazy for that level.

tctrills:
No, you are wrong but then, let me use your analogy.
Choices we make at puberty affects our adulthood.
So if a girl chooses to become pregnant and become a mother of 4 in her teen years, would you be surprised if she doesn't complete school?
So what choices are we are a race making now in our puberty?

If you know the bold to be true, you have been wasting our time arguing against the obvious.
Can you also discount the circumstances of birth?

Abi it doesn't matter if someone was a homeless orphan and you compare his struggle to that of Dangote's child?
And if he reminds you that he was a homeless orphan you shout "excuses!"