₦airaland Forum

KingEbukasBlog:
Sir I strongly believe the book of Ecclesiastes contravenes his meaning of life from a Christian perspective .



Mazaje is only striving to find meaning of life in those aforementioned . He thinks he has or he thinks he will , but he hasn't or he won't.

Mazaje tries to finding meaning in life through

i. gaining wisdom . Ecc 1:13-18
ii. Fight against evil Ecc 6: 1
ii. sex Ecc 2 : 10-11
iv. Good food Ecc 6:1-2 , Ecc 2:24
v. Arts Ecc 2:4
vi. TV Ecc 2:7-8
vii. Parties , Cars , Luxury Ecc 2:8 Ecc 2: 1
viii. And other fascinating things in life Ecc 3:12-15 , Ecc 4:13-16

And the preachers calls them vanity because

1. Man's work is repetitious Ecc 1:9-10

2. Man still remains unsatisfied because all these are in abundance Ecc 1:8

3. Man's works can be easily forgotten Ecc 1: 11

4. There is no end to this , it goes from generation to generation , different men seeking the exact same thing Ecc 1:3-4

5. Man spends his lifetime laboring to survive Ecc 2:22

6. And finally man dies still unsatisfied , still unfulfilled , still desiring more even at the point of death . So what's the point since you are born with nothing , and you still die with nothing . Same way of death even with the common beast Ecc 12 : 7-8 Ecc 3 :18-19

Its all useless without God .

damogul:
[b]Deepsight allow me to entertain you while you are in the can. Remember this Post? You really took the gloves off that time. It was bare knuckle assault.

Seun:
Creationists are not scientists. They start with an unreasonable conclusion and try to bend reality to fit that conclusion. That's not science!

jonbellion:
i thought you were a diest
Though it is great that you have seen the absurdity of organised religion it is quite unfortunate you do bot see the beauty of evolution
You don't have to be an atheist to acknowledge evolution

KingEbukasBlog:
. Well in his defense , he was phenomenal as a kid- his dribbling scythed through defenses , his finishing was superb - before the prescribed treatment for his medical condition


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS6nS8W0bOU

Teempakguy:
it's not mine. it's a fairly common philosophical concept. Even last thursdayism includes nothing as the starting point from which the universe appears. apparently on last Thursday.

KingEbukasBlog:
Why did you bring this up . Messi was by far the best player this year . Ronaldo scooped the award because he won more important trophies. Messi still remains the cynosure and doyen of football . I mean its indisputable .

Teempakguy:
when I began the discussion with deepsight, it was solely on the grounds that it was a philosophical discussion. I am surprised and deeply disappointed at his attitude.

take last thursdayism. it postulates that the world popped into existence last Thursday. it seems unbelievable. however, dismissing it in a philosophical argument because it "sounds absurd" is just laughable. He is currently doing that and you are too.

Teempakguy:
again, this ridiculous fallacy of personal incredulity.

I stated clearly earlier that humans are quite incapable of observing or imagining nothing. myself included.

you make yet another ridiculous claim: "there is no such thing as nothing."

yet we are currently discussing nothing. is it possible to talk of something that if no concept of it exists?

you haven't proven your claims yet. eternity is just a concept.

no one has ever observed an eternal object.

similarly, an infinite space is merely a mathematical construct. No one knows if the universe is infinite or not. indeed, no infinite object has ever been observed physically. if you claim they do, you'll have to provide a proof or evidence. you have done neither, instead, I find myself being coerced to prove a negative.

Teempakguy:
LOL . . . ?

Teempakguy:
you are still making unsubstantiated claims. I can't hold a meaningful discussion in this state.

here is a list of the things you have claimed.

1. the law that something cannot come out of nothing holds true in every case.

2. it is impossible for a preuniversal void to exist.

. eternity must exist.

4. infinite space must exist.

5. no perfect vacuum exists anywhere.

benzics:
@bolded

So this same logic told you that oh yes, there is an energy that makes one alive and therefore it must have been created by a God?

If I may ask, this living energy is it only possessed by humans, or both humans and animals?

So you are basically saying that this energy MUST have been created by God, and COULD NOT have come by chance?

Unless humans are wiser than the gods, here is a scientist who brought a dead, decapitated dog back to life, NOTE: not by praying, but by scientific study, and no God revealed anything to him during his study..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ub7l1D7_B2I

Let me see you saying that the scientist is "god in human flesh"...

Teempakguy:
I have seen and have addressed the mental gymnastics you displayed there.

Don't call yourself a philosopher if all you're going to commit fallacy of personal incredulity all over the place.

4everGod:
Sire! Do not take the lad seriously. He is just eager to speak while shivering in his boots.

jonbellion:
looool
But we have addressed evolution before naa
It was just tiring to see another thread

Teempakguy:
0. yes, really.

1. I meant NOT nothing. a square circle, a dot, even an imaginary complex number is still something. Nothing is quite literally . . . Nothing.

2. time is not a necessary thing. it's just another dimension. one that has been shown to be quite malleable in the theories of relativity. if you are incapable of imagining a place without space nor time, that is not my fault.

3. @bolded which you asked me to explain: I assumed it was self-explanatory, but hey,

imagine a black piece of paper. say I come to you and claim this paper will immediately become white. what will you say? the laws of physics prevent this. in other words, if not for the laws, I can claim that anything will happen and it could. I can claim that a three horned unicorn will suddenly appear. for every argument you make that this will not happen, I can make a symmetrical, yet opposite argument that it will.

nothing is the ultimate fair dice. totally unpredictable because there are simply no laws or constraints.

the fact is, an Almighty God is perfectly capable of coming into existence from nothing. Why not? I'm not an atheist because I think it's impossible for that to happen.

Ranchhoddas:
Sorry, I was banned by the moderators on some trumped-up charges... Back to the matter...Logic simply put is the study of principles governing correct inference.

When you begin to say things like; 'your heartbeat is proof of God'

and then proceed to hurl insults at everyone who holds a contrary view

Seun:
The scientific community is the most skeptical group of people in the world. What is the probability that a bunch of religious apologists on Nairaland have noticed game-changing flaws in the theory of evolution that the scientific community didn't notice during 157 years of intense study? I welcome any honest scrutiny of the theory of evolution, but it is absolutely bonkers to claim that you have "exposed it as a fraud".

Seun:
Trying to discredit evolution is just silly. Even the Catholic church, which rejects contraceptive use, accepts evolution. Stop disgracing yourself! This is not to say that I don't welcome questioning of evolution, but do you think smarter people haven't asked the same questions since 1859?

Teempakguy:
If you really want to go philosophical, let's do it.

Premise two is false. It is based on a hasty generalization of conservation laws. All conservation laws only apply in this specific universe.

If there exists a multiverse, there definitely will be universes that do not have conservation laws.

I think you misunderstand the concept of Nothing. Take outer space. It is not nothing. it contains a so called dark energy that keeps it from collapsing and in fact expands it. it obeys laws and updates itself at the speed of light. even though it seems to be nothing.

Imagne a single dimension. a single dot. all of this is nothing.

In nothing, there is no time or space, there is no concept of anything. the human mind is quite incapable of imagining nothing because it cannot normally imagine anything with dimensions lesser than two or more than four.

Hence, if you consider the concept of Nothing, you must quickly realize that any concept of "Must" and "cannot" are meaningless because in Nothing, there are no laws, no rules, everything is possible.

Therefore, to observe Nothing and say Something cannot come from nothing is a capital mistake

because Nothing is the exact sort of thing that can produce anything simply because there are NO rules or limitations.

Because One of your premises is faulty, your whole argument is questionable

and an infinite regress immediately arises. in order to solve this, you Invented a concept of self-existent objects.

Any object can and will create itself if there are no laws to prevent it.

benzics:
You asked how I knew that the people of old didn't believe in Gods, and I referred to a link of the first religion (when people started imagining the possibility of a God), which means that before then, they never considered gods and thereby had no beliefs in any god! Now you are the one who is psychotic, since you've always failed to decipher the message am passing, from the part you claimed that "you knew there is God from logic"...

benzics:
Read about the religion that existed years before Christianity
http://www.ancient.eu/religion/

Before this religion, people didn't believe in Gods and I don't think I even have the time to start talking about the origin of religion!

This religion never torment people, or abuse little children with the idea of hell, this religion is in fact of your free will.. . But you dumb Christians/Muslims that came years after Hinduism are now telling us your religion is the true religion? Telling us we must follow your religions to be saved? And you still ask why we attack mainly Christianity and Islam?

Ranchhoddas:
Logic ''as you have expressed it''. Did you miss this part of my comment?

Eastactivist:
Why the double standard..
You once told me that God might exist.
When I was born and I had the energy to reason and think, I first had this confusion in me, why am I here?, who did this work?, why is the sky hung up there but when I jump I fall to the ground? I saw the birds and i tried to fly but can't fly because I don't have wings but I can fly when I develop a flying carrier or buy an aeroplane. And I feared that these might be a work of some other person elsewhere who orchestrated all this things.
Mind you All these questions came spontaneously before I was able to read and understand before then I've always assumed that all these work is not the work of man but some supernatural being who is greater than all these things.

In the actual sense, nobody told me.
My local dialect first gave me the semantics to fix the puzzle myself. My native name helped me a lot in this aspect.
Then English language came and sealed it. All these occured before I started hearing and understanding what Christianity is or stand for BC I was born in a Christian family.

Is only a deformed mind won't ask this pertinent questions at infantry and is only a deluded mind would discard such questions as something that happened just like that.

"For every effect there most be a cause "
Be guided.

Ranchhoddas:
I believe he was referring to the steps in the scientific method of establishing facts; observation, hypothesis, experimentation and conclusion (arrival at facts). He meant that logic as you have expressed it can only be employed when these steps are not possible; ie God in this case, cannot be observed using any of the known senses hence your resort to logic. Attempting to portray his position differently is nothing but dishonest distortion.

benzics:
Lol, do you know there were generations before religion? None of these people thought of a God until some smart ass con dude invented the idea to make money, and here the future generation really uphold to God as if he's real

benzics:
So get this, there is no God watching over you!

benzics:
@deepsight sorry for my assumption earlier, but you spoke like a Christian (running round in circles, without making any point),

maybe you were once one or you've lived with them, anyway you claim to know god by logic whereas in truth you "know" him because you were told he exists,

that's why I asked you, if you were born and thrown into a jungle and left to grow without guidance, would you still be claiming that BY LOGIC you know there is God?

4everGod:
How did i miss this? You dare to throw down the gauntlet to thy chief? The captain above thee? Be warned my good sir i leave flags at half mast wherever i enter.

However another ranked one just whispered that i sheath my sword and my ears are always inclined to good advice especially when the casualty is foreseen to be great if it is not done.

EyeHateGod:
I haven't had a chance to Engage him in Any argument here besides his "sight" are only looking for Spelling Error...

Anas09:
I perceive you 17yrs old. Your arguements are so childish.
As you read the Ops, if you read, didnt you find point at all to debunk? How did 'Satan' Clause come into this thread?

If you were a Christian, by now the Mod would have banned you for off topic, but as i can see the atheistic immunity covers you.

You can easily leave what the Op is about and jump into something else, and still walk free.

God is watching Seun in 4D.


Just make little effort, no matter how little, to address the Op. Unfortunately, all your community have abandoned you to roast.

benzics:
I don't even know why am talking about codes in a religion section, well that's what stupid people can make you do