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Jozzy4:
Am not understanding , you mean people will be caught up to heaven with their flesh and blood bodies ?

Which will be nonsensical as the Bible itself teaches that flesh and blood do not enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

jidxin:
from the bible nd its not ridiculous

It is perfectly ridiculous.

Please note as follows:

1. The Bible is a patchwork of writings selected by the Roman Curia from a larger body of many many works, letters and historical writings

2. It contains allegories, parables, history as well as poetry and symbolism.

3. It's words are not always meant in a literal sense - for example the story of the forbidden fruit and the serpent and original sin in Genesis.

4. It also contains outright falsehoods, fantasies and manipulated insertions in some parts.

5. It is not an inerrant work.

If there is anything such as Rapture as you imagine it: it actually occurs every single day via the simple act of people dying. Every death is a person "taken up" as it were into the other side of this reality, leaving the mortal "container" of the being to wither away.

jidxin:
my broda rapture is real. take it or take it u ve no choice

Where did you get this ridiculous notion from?

@ Ebuka,

This is what Jesus and such other advanced souls as Buddha and others came to do -

https://www.nairaland.com/2889426/journey-soul#42873513
https://www.nairaland.com/2889426/journey-soul#42880541

omotroyz:
Rapture is a word found in the dictionary of Christians.

Of unthinking Christians

jiggaz:
The only way you will be left behind in the Rapture
is if you have not received Christ as your Savior.

http://www.gotquestions.org/left-behind-rapture.html

Are you a mentally challenged person? What Rapture?

KingEbukasBlog:
And you clearly said that your thoughts about God have evolved continually .

But of course.

You rejected the immanence of God and now you have accepted it .

I am not sure about this.

You are one more step away and that's accepting Christ as your lord and personal savior .

I have always and will always accept Christ's teachings on love and since I believe that those teachings grant salvation, I am at home with the Idea and always will be. However I don't know about any acceptance of any human being as my lord and savior. God saves everyday working through diverse people and even other creatures and elements.

Most importantly a human being should strive to simply have a good heart. That is the sum of all salvation.
The parable of the good Samaritan shows this sufficiently.

B And about those who have never heard of Christ

Romans 1:19-20
19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world,[a] in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.

The bible let's us know that we all are naturally inclined to have the thirst for the knowledge of God . And that if we thoroughly seek God ,we shall find him .

And the aforementioned bible verse reveals that Nature serves as evidence for God - just like you deepsight tell the atheists. And you clearly said that your thoughts about God have evolved continually . You rejected the immanence of God and now you have accepted it . You are one more step away and that's accepting Christ as your lord and personal savior . You allowed that natural instinct lead you to the path of Light and surely according to the bible , you shall find Him .

I dont understand how this leads to any recognition of Jesus Christ. Peoples all over the world have always had a conception of a Supreme being - which satisfies what you are saying here. This does not lead to a recognition of Jesus as that Supreme Being.

KingEbukasBlog:
In Christianity , the immaterial part of man which is the spirit connects with God - if by this then yes every interaction with my fellow human could be an interaction with God.

-Personal Experiences

Which personal experiences? You may please also bear in mind while answering this question that people of diverse faiths also have had their own "personal experiences" of diverse gods or envoys of God.

-Prophecies foretelling His Birth

This is not unique to Christianity, is it?

-Virgin Birth

I want you to tell me in all solemn honesty if you would have believed this is if it were an African folk tale.
Or better still, if you would believe it of your wife, if she turned up pregnant when you know you have not slept with her: and she says an Angel or the Holy Spirit did it.

What would be your reaction in either case?

-Miracles

All manner of miracles are reported by all manner of diverse religious texts concerning their own deities.

-Uniqueness of His Teachings

How are his teaching unique?
Do most religions not teach love of God and fellow man?

-His entire Life

What about it?

-Circumstances surrounding His Death

What specific circumstances? I hope not the crucifixion because that was a commonplace method of execution for criminals and any trouble makers. And I hope you know that Jesus was considered a triouble-maker.

-Resurrection
-Appearances to the 120
-Ascension

I see no reason to believe any pf these things anymore than I will believe that Mohammad flew from Jerusalem to Mecca, or that a Cock was let down from a rope in the sky to found Ile-Ife.

Christ is God incarnate.

Why do you say such a blasphemous thing?

Is it not sacrilege to equate any human being with God?

Many verses in the Bible make it evidently clear that Jesus is not God. Jesus himself said as much many times. Have a look at all these verses which I collated sometime ago when discussing the Trinity Doctrine with Mr. Anony -


D1 - I Tim. 2:5: - For there is one God, and one Mediator of God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus Christ”


D2 - John 14:28 – “I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I”.


D3 - I Cor. 11:3 - “But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God “


D4 - Eph. 1:15 - 17. - “15 Therefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints,16 do not cease to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers: 17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him”


D5 - I Pet 1:3 - "Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ"


D6 - Mark 10:18 - “So Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God.”


D7 - I Cor. 15:28 - “Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.”


D8 - John 15:1 – 10:“I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. 2 “Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away;[a] and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit. 3 “You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. 4 “Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me."

5 “I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing. 6 “If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. 7 “If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you. 8 “By this My Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit; so you will be My disciples. 9 “As the Father loved Me, I also have loved you; abide in My love. 10 “If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.


D9 - John 20:17 – “Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.’”


D 10 - John 17:1 - 8 – “1 Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You, 2 “as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should[a] give eternal life to as many as You have given Him. 3 “And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. 4 “I have glorified You on the earth. I have finished the work which You have given Me to do. 5 “And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.”

6 “I have manifested Your name to the men whom You have given Me out of the world. They were Yours, You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word. 7 “Now they have known that all things which You have given Me are from You. 8 “For I have given to them the words which You have given Me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came forth from You; and they have believed that You sent Me."


D 11 - Mark 13:32 - “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.”


D12 - Acts 2:22 – 24 “Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a Man attested by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs which God did through Him in your midst, as you yourselves also know— 23 “Him, being delivered by the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God, you have taken[b] by lawless hands, have crucified, and put to death; 24 “whom God raised up, having loosed the pains of death, because it was not possible that He should be held by it.


D13 - Luke 22:41 - 42 – “41 And He was withdrawn from them about a stone’s throw, and He knelt down and prayed, 42saying, “Father, if it is Your will, take this cup away from Me; nevertheless not My will, but Yours, be done.” (The Prayer in Gethsemane).


D14 - John 8:40 - “But now you seek to kill Me, a Man who has told you the truth which I heard from God. Abraham did not do this.”


D15 - Luke 23:32 - 34 – “There were also two others, criminals, led with Him to be put to death. 33 And when they had come to the place called Calvary, there they crucified Him, and the criminals, one on the right hand and the other on the left. 34 Then Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do.”


D16 - Matt 21:33 – 42 “33 Hear another parable: There was a certain landowner who planted a vineyard and set a hedge around it, dug a winepress in it and built a tower. And he leased it to vinedressers and went into a far country. 34 “Now when vintage–time drew near, he sent his servants to the vinedressers, that they might receive its fruit. 35 “And the vinedressers took his servants, beat one, killed one, and stoned another.

36 “Again he sent other servants, more than the first, and they did likewise to them. 37 “Then last of all he sent his son to them, saying, ‘They will respect my son.’ 38 “But when the vinedressers saw the son, they said among themselves, ‘This is the heir. Come, let us kill him and seize his inheritance.’ 39 “So they took him and cast him out of the vineyard and killed him.

40 “Therefore, when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those vinedressers?”

41 They said to Him, “He will destroy those wicked men miserably, and lease his vineyard to other vinedressers who will render to him the fruits in their seasons.”

42 Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures:
‘The stone which the builders rejected
Has become the chief cornerstone.
This was the Lord’s doing,
And it is marvelous in our eyes’

(The Parable of the Vineyard)


D17 - Matt 27:45 – 46 “45 Now from the sixth hour until the ninth hour there was darkness over all the land. 46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?” that is, “My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?”


D18 – Mark 16:19 – “So then, after the Lord had spoken to them, He was received up into heaven, and sat down at the right hand of God.” [And all other scripture which refers to Christ as sitting at the Right Hand Side of God, including Psalm 110:1, and all similar scripture in the Book of Revelation].


D19 - John 3:16 - “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 “For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. [Only Begotten Son - "Monogenes" - and all other verses in scripture where the term "monogenes" i.e: "only begotten" is used].


D20 - Deuteronomy 6:4 - "Hear o Isreal, the Lord our God, the Lord is One."

At least I observed that you hinted at reincarnation in a question involving John The Baptist and Elijah . Reincarnation involves a particular human spirit having cycles of incarnations . If you believe a human spirit can incarnate , what stops God who is a spirit being from incarnating as He did with Christ ?

Because God being the sum of all infinite reality cannot be subsumed in a human being.

It would be illogical: for God being transcendent, transcends time and space.

The thing with legends is that they can be retold and they have so many versions . Any version that bears any sort of similarity with Christ's life on earth isn't veridical - Christ has proven to be indeed a historical figure.

There are many other religious figures who have been proven to be historical.

Rilwayne001:
Psalm 51:5 Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me.

Christians often use this^ to proof their original sin concept.




Since Jesus allegedly cane to die for this sin that brought death upon us, why are we still dying?

Good question.

DoctorAlien:
The above bolded is not biblical. New born babies are not sinners. .

You know very well that under bible doctrine, this is not true. Sin is hereditary by bible doctrine: this is the concept of original sin which affects all men and for which they need the death of Alhaji Jesus on the cross in order to be saved. . . . that is what the bible teaches, no?

DoctorAlien:
1. Have you never had any god before Jehovah?

2. Have you never refused to give the glory to GOD either by your choice or by your actions?

3. Have you never taken GOD's name in vain?

4. Have you never broken GOD's holy Sabbath?

5. Have you never treated your parents with disrespect?

6. Have you never been angry outrageously with your fellow human being for little/no reason?

7. Have you never fornicated? Have you never looked at a woman lustfully? Have you never entertained sexually immoral thoughts in your head?

8. Have you never stolen anything?

9. Have you never lied?

10. Have you never coveted somebody's property? Either his car, wife, shoe, or even his success?

If you've never done any of those things, CONGRATULATIONS! Jesus' sacrifice was not for you.

But if you're guilty of doing any of those things, you are guilty of breaking GOD's law(sinning), and the wages of sin is death.

This is not relevant as the sin of the bible is said to be hereditary such that even new born babies are guilty, by biblical doctrine even where they are yet to have a single thought, much less do any of these things you have mentioned.

Now aside from that, is it not true that this world is a transient one in which death is a fundamental part of life cycles: and as such does not arise from any sin?

And man who is born surely must also grow old and die, not so?

Why do animals and plants die: have they also broken the laws of Yahweh?

@KingEbuka,

Does God repent?

"Twice the Bible says that God repented for something he had done in the past (Genesis 6:6-7 and 1 Samuel 15:11), and at least eleven times it says he repented or would repent of something he was about to do in the future (Exodus 32:12-14; 2 Samuel 24:16; 1 Chronicles 21:15; Psalm 106:45; Jeremiah 4:28; 18:8; 26:3, 13, 19; 42:10; Joel 2:13-14; Amos 7:3, 6; Jonah 3:9-10; 4:2)."

http://www.desiringgod.org/articles/the-repentance-of-god

This same link above goes ahead to give an unsatisfactory explanation of what the repentance of God refers to.

However note:

"God does not repent.

God is not a man that he should lie; neither the son of a man that he should repent. Numbers 23:19
The Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for he is not a man, that he should repent. 1 Samuel 15:29

I the LORD have spoken it: it shall come to pass, and I will do it; I will not go back, neither will I spare, neither will I repent. Ezekiel 24:14

For I am the Lord, I change not. Malachi 3:6

With whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. James 1:17

God repents.

Before the flood (and just after the sons of God had sex with the daughters of men), God repented for having made humans.
And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. Genesis 6:6

After Aaron made the people dance naked around his golden calf, God decided to kill all of the Israelites. But Moses talked him out of it by saying, "What will the neighbors think?" So God repented of the evil he'd planned to do.

And Moses besought the LORD ... Wherefore should the Egyptians speak, and say, For mischief did he bring them out, to slay them in the mountains, and to consume them from the face of the earth? Turn from thy fierce wrath, and repent of this evil against thy people. ... And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people. Exodus 32:11-14

God threatens to judge his people and repent by killing everyone, saying, "I will make mine arrows drunk with blood and my sword shall devour flesh."

For the Lord shall judge his people, and repent himself for his servants.... I kill ... I wound ... I will make mine arrows drunk with blood, and my sword shall devour flesh. Deuteronomy 32:36-42

After Saul failed to commit complete genocide as God commanded, God repented of making Saul king.

It repenteth me [God] that I have set up Saul to be king: for he is turned back from following me, and hath not performed my commandments [Committing complete genocide on the Amalekits] ... and the LORD repented that he had made Saul king over Israel. 1 Samuel 15:11, 35
After God killed 70,000 men (and 200,000 or so women and children) in a pestilence to punish Israel for a census that God (and/or Satan) inspired, "the Lord repented him of the evil" and quit killing people.

The anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah. ... So the LORD sent a pestilence upon Israel from the morning even to the time appointed: and there died of the people from Dan even to Beersheba seventy thousand men. And when the angel stretched out his hand upon Jerusalem to destroy it, the LORD repented him of the evil, and said to the angel that destroyed the people, It is enough: stay now thine hand. 2 Samuel 24:1-16

And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel. ... And God was displeased with this thing; therefore he smote Israel. ... So the LORD sent pestilence upon Israel: and there fell of Israel seventy thousand men. And God sent an angel unto Jerusalem to destroy it: and as he was destroying, the LORD beheld, and he repented him of the evil, and said to the angel that destroyed, It is enough, stay now thine hand. 1 Chronicles 21:1-15

God told Hezekiah that he would die soon, but changed his mind (repented) after Hezekiah's prayer. So he let him live anoter fifteen years.
In those days was Hezekiah sick unto death. And Isaiah ... said unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Set thine house in order: for thou shalt die, and not live. ... Thus saith the LORD ... I have heard thy prayer, I have seen thy tears: behold, I will add unto thy days fifteen years. Isaiah 38:1-5

If a nation repents of its evil, God will repent of the evil things he had planned to do to it.

If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them. Jeremiah 18:8
If so be they will hearken, and turn every man from his evil way, that I may repent me of the evil, which I purpose to do unto them because of the evil of their doings. Jeremiah 26:3

Therefore now amend your ways and your doings, and obey the voice of the LORD your God; and the LORD will repent him of the evil that he hath pronounced against you. Jeremiah 26:13

Did Hezekiah king of Judah and all Judah put him at all to death? did he not fear the LORD, and besought the LORD, and the LORD repented him of the evil which he had pronounced against them? Thus might we procure great evil against our souls. Jeremiah 26:19

If ye will still abide in this land, then will I build you, and not pull you down, and I will plant you, and not pluck you up: for I [God] repent me of the evil that I have done unto you. Jeremiah 42:10

If a nation does evil, God will repent of the good things he was planning to do to it.
If it do evil in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I [God] will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them. Jeremiah 18:8
God repented after he heard Ephraim bemoaning himself.

I have surely heard Ephraim bemoaning himself thus; Thou hast chastised me, and I was chastised, as a bullock unaccustomed to the yoke: turn thou me, and I shall be turned; for thou art the Lord my God. Jeremiah 31:18-19

Surely after that I was turned, I repented; and after that I was instructed, I smote upon my thigh: I was ashamed, yea, even confounded, because I did bear the reproach of my youth. King James Version (KJV) After Jonah's converted the people of Ninevah, God repented of the evil that he planned to do to them.

So Jonah arose, and went unto Nineveh ... So the people of Nineveh believed God, and proclaimed a fast, and put on sackcloth ... For word came unto the king of Nineveh ... and he ... covered him with sackcloth, and sat in ashes ... saying ... let man and beast be covered with sackcloth, and cry mightily unto God. ... God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them. Jonah 3:3-10

In Amos's first vision, God makes grass-eating grasshoppers, and then repents.

GOD shewed unto me; and, behold, he formed grasshoppers ... when they had made an end of eating the grass ... The Lord repented for this. Amos 7:1-3

In Amos's second vision, God burns up the earth and sea, and then repents.
Behold, the Lord GOD called to contend by fire, and it devoured the great deep, and did eat up a part. ... The LORD repented for this. Amos 7:4-6

God has repented, in fact, so many times he's getting tired of it.
I [God] am weary of repenting. Jeremiah 15:6

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/repent.html

So which is it? Can you honestly say that Yahweh does not change his mind and does not repent?

@ KINGEBUKA, Does Yahweh promote ethnic cleansing, genocide, and tribalistic hatred?

https://www.nairaland.com/438941/yahweh-again-deut-7

@KingEbuka - does the Biblical God tell lies?

https://www.nairaland.com/434436/yahweh-lying-angels

KingEbukasBlog:
Yes sir

If God changes his mind , then it contradicts His Nature as an omniscient being who knows the end from the beginning . God "changing His mind" means changing how he relates or works with humans to achieve the same ultimate plan as an omniscient being .

Its like having a plan and knowing its corollary as an omniscient being and choose to achieve this plan a thousand different ways . It does not impugn your omniscience.

Do you insist that in the Bible, God has not changed his mind or repented of anything?

DoctorAlien:
Jesus is GOD. Therefore, GOD the Father gave His only begotten Son to save the world. The law of GOD is as sacred as GOD, and only GOD Himself could atone for the breaking of that law.

He sacrificed Jesus(who is GOD but took on flesh) to pay for the destruction that we rightly deserve for breaking His Law. There are people who recognize that they are sinners, and are in need of rescue from eternal damnation which sinners deserve. Jesus' sacrificial work comes in handy to these people.

Other people who reject Jesus and His love will simply get the destruction which they rightly deserve.

What law of God did humans break please?

KingEbukasBlog:
So

God changing His mind denotes fallibility , imperfection which in fact contradicts his omniscience and nature .

Is it really true to say that the Abrahamic God does not change his mind?
Small question: Have you read the Bible back-to-back?

KingEbukasBlog:
Jesus was not totally human - a demigod - so how could he be a human sacrifice? Immolation of humans in the pagan nations was mainly to propitiate their gods . Secondly , Jesus was an incarnation of God himself who gave his life willfully for the remission of sin . Another reason is sovereignty as God , he is not subject to his own laws .

This undermines any notion that the Abrahamic God is just.

DoctorAlien:
Jer. 7:31; 19:5 and 32:35 clearly indicate that the idea of human sacrifice never entered GOD's mind(Lev. 20:1-5).

Really? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

Then its pretty strange what he did to Jesus/ himself!

KingEbukasBlog:
So over to you sir DeepSight

Hello Chief.

Many apologies I have tarried on this.

Please a few little questions before I proceed though:

Has it occurred to you that every single time you interact with another human, you are having an interaction with God?

Is there a specific reason that you think that a fellow human being such as Jesus of Nazareth is Almighty God, or a special Son of Almighty God different from other human beings?

Have you averted your mind to the many similarities in the legends of other people which the story of Jesus bears?

What do you think becomes of the "eternal salvation" of many people who lived and died without ever even hearing that such a person as Jesus ever existed?

Are such people either condemned as they have been predestined not to hear of Jesus, or if they heard and did not understand why they must consider another man as Almighty God and their singular savior, does this also condemn them?

Why do you believe that Jesus died for your sins?

Is it not true that all men eventually die and that many men have died innocent deaths in pursuit of noble causes?

What is there specifically about the death of Jesus which confers salvation on all men who so believe?

Is it not true that if a similar story were told to you by your African Ancestors you might laugh at it and deride it as folklore and legend? I mean a story about a woman becoming pregnant without se.xual interaction and her child being Almighty God incarnated on Earth for the purpose of saving you by ensuring that he is murdered on a Cross?

Is it not true that before Jesus there was a sinful horrible world and after Jesus, there is still a sinful horrible world?
Why therefore should you suppose that Jesus has saved the world, and if so, how has he saved the world?

Why do you say that Jesus did not teach reincarnation?
What did Jesus say of John the Baptist and Elijah?

Have you carefully studied the parables of the good Samaritan and that of the Vineyard?

What message do you think Jesus was trying to communicate in these parables?

Let us start with these few, as I hear your thoughts, we can discuss further.
Stay blessed.

KingEbukasBlog:
So over to you sir DeepSight

Chief pardon me, I have been slightly busy. I will revert shortly I mentioned.

texanomaly:
Ahhh but we now know she actually didn't even win the popular vote.

Really? How do you mean?

KingEbukasBlog:
This makes you a theist then- but one who rejects religious concepts of God . And you have accepted that God is immanent - this attribute of God is what distinguishes a theist from a deist .

And since you believe in one God , you are a monotheist .



Well , Christian deism just accepts the moral teachings of Christ but rejects his divinity .



Well , I don't agree with this - I presumed you were talking about central figures in religion you know the "special humans " sent by God to man whose teachings or knowledge of the universe/life were pre-ingrained by God . Let's take a look at the teachings of central figures in popular religions .

Jesus Christ
Jesus Christ is the central figure in Christianity. He taught that moral rectitude shown by God the Father was the quintessential moral life man should live .
Matthew 5 :8 - Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
Christ also taught about damnation of souls after death . According to his teachings , you live one life then judgement follows after.

Gautama Buddha
Buddha is the central figure in Buddhism , he taught reincarnation - endless cycles of rebirth called the "Samsara" and rebirths occur in both good and evil realms . And your actions in your previous incarnation can affect your immediate incarnation .

Confucius
He is the central figure in Confucianism . His teachings centered on upon Ancestor worship and Filial piety . And ancestor worship involves the veneration of ancestors with the belief their spirits control the fortunes of descendants . The teachings aver that man can be good without God - improved upon by the virtue in himself .

Christ did not teach reincarnation like Buddha and to him only God the Father is to looked up to as regards to our moral lives and he (Christ) intercedes for us . He also taught that God controls our fortunes not our ancestors like Confucius taught .

Looking at the teachings of the these men , we can see they are incongruous with each other - this now portrays God , their supposed source of knowledge , as an author of confusion

You dig ?

But if you insist you are right , then how we can we ascertain who indeed reveals God's purpose for mankind - the true path of Light .

Many very interesting posers here. Please this thread is about a burnt thief, let's take the conversation to our backyard (Religion Section). Please open a thread there with this post and I will love to discuss all you have raised.

Cheers.

4kings:
I'm not sure of the ideology behind his statement.
But there are also Christian deist, who believe in Jesus values but not his supremacy.

Thank you very much, I am in complete alignment.

KingEbukasBlog:
1. Isn't that God being interested in human affairs ?

God is interested in, and indeed is part of all affairs, and not just human affairs.

However the manner or mode of God's "interest" or participation if you like, in the activity of its emanations is what one should dwell upon.
Please do not mistake me for a strict Deist - for although I spoke as such for years on this forum I have evolved.

And although I am not Christian in the sense that you wish, I must point out to you as someone has already noted that there are Christian Deists.

2. What do you mean by "sent" ? Do you mean these humans sent by God have pre-ingrained knowledge of God in them and are predestined to teach and reveal this knowledge to human beings ?

I would say yes.

Phi001:
Alhaji Jesus?



Just refer to him as Jesus!



Lewd!!

Why is it "lewd" to refer to him as Alhaji Jesus.
You did not even say "inappropriate" - you said "lewd".

Pray tell, why sire?

YaksonFCA:
When Saraki and others are still working freely on the road? Hm!

Only Saraki? If IBB should walk past the same people they will hail him.

KingEbukasBlog:
Are you now a Christian ?

Only Christians seek the Light of God?

No, I am not a Christian if you mean it in the sense of accepting Alhaji Jesus as "personal" Lord and savior. Alhaji Jesus to me is a human being sent by God to help human beings understand the higher path of Love and Light. God has so sent many humans and IT sends such signals through all kinds of people even today and always will.

gidgiddy:
Oh shut up! How is a man who has been apprehended a threat? You are only allowed to use disproportionate force when the threat exists, not when it has past. Beating an apprehended suspect, undressing them and killing them is a sign of a barbaric soceity.

Only the law courts have the right to decide anyones fate.

Don't mind them. They cannot understand how barbaric this act is.

May God save mankind from its inhumanity to itself.

And may the Lord show the people who burnt this man to death the error of their ways.

I pray God have mercy on this soul.

As for mankind as a whole, what hope is there for us?

JackBizzle:
After T.B Joshua failed with his prophecy on the US elections, I have started to wonder how these pastors become revered prophets.

In the bible, there is a prophecy that in the end-times, there would be a lot of deceivers and false prophets.


I am just wondering how christians know that their pastors are not false?

He argues on his facebook page that she won the popular vote and i presume on his behalf that vox populi vox dei.