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KingEbukaNaija:
So do you agree to the divinity of Christ ? Your answers will help a lot with the OP .

shadeyinka:
Weti he do you na!

GoodMuyis:
Not surprise, but expected

Richirich713:
Christians do say there's three, but by three they mean three persons, not three Gods.

Christianity subscribes to monotheism, there cannot be three Gods.

GoodMuyis:
Logical Understanding of Trinity (Elohim) - Establishing the Doctrine of Godhead

1 + 1 + 1 = ?

The answer to the above depends on the perspective you turn to it and the method you decide to use. If you decide to use regular arithmetic, you will get straight answer of 3.
But not all maths problem can solve using regular arithmetic. For example 1 + 1 = 10 under binary operation and our answer canNOT be 2 because we are operating under different circumstance.

1 + 1 + 1 = ?

Under Logic Operation, Just as Computer Processor will process it, the answer would not to be equal 3 but 1. Why 1 ask seun he is a programmer too, or may be thats how Logic Operation Works.

Hence I will say understand the concept of Trinity require that You use spiritual understanding the sixthsense, not your usual thinking, no you cant, even if you are a Christian You may still not understand if you dont have the Holy Spirit to bring down the revelation to you, you can do noting but to accept it by faith. Hence you cant use carnality to understand spiritual and the gateway to spiritual Christianity is the Holy Spirit.

When you have the Holy Ghost in you, then you have more than what it takes to understand it. By this time its no longer by faith but by revelation and you get the true picture of the Godhead (Elohim)

Stay Blessed and be ye filled with the Holy Ghost Maranatha

Ikem11:
I just caught this big tortoise just now

KingEbukaNaija:
Christ was not white . MrPresident1 , sukkot and so many other Christians have had disquisitions on this before . It was through the discussions I made the discovery .

JackBizzle:
I accept the knighhood, sire!

plaetton:
The above did not come from a carnal mind.
The spirit of the WORD is with you brother.

JackBizzle:
WORDS ARE FOR THE SALAD! THE WORD SALAD!!!


DEEPSIGHT 3;19

Deepsight walked amongst his disciples and preached to them- "I am the salad of life and whosoever eateth of me shall be blessed with the verbosity of spoken word". Then, his disciples asked "Is this true? Can we be blessed with the gift of the word salad?". Deepsight replied thus- "the salad is open like the gates of heaven towards its righteous communicants; it accepts whosoever believeth in its sophistry."

Then Deepsight told his disciples to start speaking in tongues. As they did, he started walking on air. And his disciples rejoiced thus "we have a great prophet that walketh on air". But then, Deepsight corrected them; "I walketh not upon the air but upon the spoken word of your saladified speaking in tongues". And his disciples rejoiced further "we have a great prophet for where Jesus walketh upon water, he walketh upon words".


And from that day Deepsight was known as the "word walker". Praised be his salad.

KingEbukaNaija:
@ DeepSight

1. Christ is being seen as the Supreme of all that exists . Let's use the Logic of God and Everything : See everything as the unity of ALL that exists , a boundless whole , with God being the supreme of all that exists . For everything to exist , an all has to be eternal - this is why Christ is called the supreme qua first born i.e both the created and creator are in everything that exists but the eternal creator transcends and is before his creation . Because for IN him ,all things were created

Colossians 1 : 17
17 And he is before all things, and in him all things consist.

2. If Christ is not God then why he is called a deity here :

Colossians 2:6-9
9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Godhead is Theotes in Greek and it means deity - this shows Christ is the personal and bodily manifestation of all the fullness of Deity . He is God incarnate .

Colossians 1:15-16
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him

That means Christ is actually the creator of all things - this makes him the Creator God .

plaetton:
Naaa.
He is an olodo who serves all- you-can- eat word salads.

Man shall not live by word salads aione.

KingEbukaNaija:
First born shows preexistence not the first to be created

Verse 15 : He is the image of the invisible God, the first born most supreme of all creation.

Remember Christ was described as the image of an invisible God.

Now check this out

John 14:9
9 Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

Now see how verse 16 logically follows verse 15 with the new translation and interpretation

Verse 16: For by him the Supreme being who is Christ , all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him.

Isn't God called the Supreme Being , the creator of all things , the source of all that exists ?



In case you are not convinced , we can also see more verses where firstborn shows superiority and not first created

Psalm 89:20
20 I have found David, my servant;
with my holy oil I have anointed him,

Then in verse 27

Psalm 89:27
27 And I will make him the firstborn,
the highest of the kings of the earth.

Of course , we know that David isn't the eldest in his family but he was referred to as the first born- the highest of all kings on earth

KingEbukasBlog:
We as human spirits have a beginning but apparently Christ does not have a beginning - this makes Him God .

And Colossians 1:15-17 shows that Christ was begotten from all eternity - God is the source of existence , the precursor of all that exists .

Colossians 1:15-17
15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.

KingEbukasBlog:
Oh ... I think I get what you mean

KingEbukasBlog:
Here's the conclusion on this site :
Therefore, John 8:58 is more accurately translated as, “Truly, truly I say to you, I exist as superior in rank to Abraham’s existence.” The UBS Greek text reads, “prín Abraám genésthai egoó eimí” In other words, Jesus is telling these Jews that his rank in the kingdom of God is greater than that of their father Abraham. Once he said this, the Jews took up stones to stone him to death.
But you assented to Xenophanes' concept of Theology where he posits that no divine hierarchy exists . So if that text means that Christ has a rank in Heaven , that means you see Christ as God's subordinate . True ?

KingEbukasBlog:
I mean this

plaetton:
It's similar to asking you if you describe yourself as a non-clown or an un-insane person. It presumes that both tendencies are the default states.

plaetton:
Drowning a poor dumb lad

in a poodle of word-salads is not only a fight, but an unfair one.

Shame on you , Depardo.

plaetton:
Likewise, to say that I am IRRELIGIOUS is to presume that being religious is a natural default state,.. which it is not.

[Deep Sight:]

Secondly I also mentioned to you that it is a host of gods that embarked on this experiment of Earth and Man. Not the ultimate almighty God who is responsible for all reality and existence. The "Elohim." were a race of a higher intelligence that created the Earth and Man. This is the real reason for those plurals you see, but this may be going too far for you.

KingEbukasBlog:
I believe I'm putting up a good fight

KingEbukasBlog:
One more thing before we continue sir

Explain these verses please

John 8:58
58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”

Genesis 1:26
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:

Genesis 11:7
7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.

Genesis 3:22
22 Then the Lord God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil.

I just really want to know what you think about them . Thanks

KingEbukasBlog:
Sir . You didn't pay attention to the commas . "For There is One God" - this is certain . "And one Mediator of God and Mankind " - this then explains Christ's role in the Trinity
Christ said this as a demigod , of course The Father who is fully divine is greater than He is .
Christ's role as the mediator of God and mankind is stated then Christ as God Himself who came to earth to save man is seen here as God's subordinate because of his new nature as man .
Christ as the Son and God as The Father .
Christ never said he was not good nor did he deny his divinity here . He just wanted them to know that God is good . And that He as God is good too as seen in John 10:11
John 10:11
11 I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.

KingEbukasBlog:
Christ will voluntarily become subject to the Father though they are equals when he comes to reign on earth .



The bible's use of "The Son" is to show Christ's willful submission to co-equal , his father , as a subaltern - a subordinate , lower status - because He is now of human nature or demigod whichever one you chose . And his human nature precluded full divinity like His Father , God , so he has to pray to God , give thanks to God , make requests to God . Its all about humility . Its about showing his qualities which includes wisdom and understanding that he needs to live a life worthy of emulation . And of course to fulfill his mission as a good shepherd who loves his sheep and is willing to lay his life for them .



Christ sitting as God's right hand here shows that He is equal in power and authority as The Father and has the power and authority to subdue His enemies



"Only Begotten" here refers to Christ's incarnation in human flesh through the Holy Spirit . That means there is no one who had gone through this process and there will never be anyone who will incarnate as human as Christ did . Christ is unique , He is as divine as The Father , He is God who manifested in human flesh ergo Yahweh is His Father .




That's the trinity showing Oneness . There is one God - Yahweh , Yeshua and Ruach Hakodesh

KingEbukasBlog:
No sir . Christ was smart enough to circumvent the Pharisees' accusations of blasphemy . 'Ye are gods' as used in Psalm 82:6 denotes authority of judges , kings etc . These people are seen as gods among men because they are influential and powerful since they are men who are in authority . So Christ is just saying that if those who are in authority were referred to as "gods" , why can't he who was sent by God to men be referred as God's Son too .

I remember that I explained Psalm 82 to someone who thought that Yahweh was one of the lesser gods of the Jews and the Most High is the Supreme God . And the assembly in that chapter was the meeting of gods or deities .

KingEbukasBlog:
You are playing a dangerous game here

So you saying the will and power of God is personified as the Holy Ghost ?

KingEbukasBlog:
@ DeepSight

Aha !

Mark 3:28-29
28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:

29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.

Why did Christ say that whoever blasphemes against the Holy Ghost will never be forgiven ? Doesn't this show that the Holy Spirit is a different person ? But blasphemy against God the Father and Son can be forgiven - this shows these three are different but are One .

KingEbukasBlog:
1. God is: beyond human morality

2. God does not resemble human form

3. God cannot die or be born ie . God is divine thus eternal

4. No divine hierarchy exists

5. God does not intervene in human affairs.

KingEbukasBlog:
But Take a look at this :

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Triune God of Christianity

Before considering if we will actually be able to see God the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, we need to establish that they are three Persons. Without delving too deeply into the doctrine of the Trinity, we need to understand that the Father is not the same Person as the Son, the Son is not the same Person as the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit is not the same Person as the Father. They are not three Gods. They are three distinct Persons, yet they are all the one God. Each has a will, can speak, can love, etc., and these are demonstrations of personhood. They are in absolute perfect harmony consisting of one substance. They are coeternal, coequal and co-powerful. If any one of the three were removed, there would be no God.

God The Father : So in heaven, there are three Persons. But will we be able to actually see them? Revelation 4:3-6 gives us a description of heaven and the throne that is occupied by God and by the Lamb: “the one sitting there had the appearance of jasper and carnelian… a rainbow resembling an emerald encircled the throne. Before the throne… a sea of glass, clear as crystal.” Since God dwells in “unapproachable light” and is one “whom no one has seen or can see” (1 Timothy 6:16), God is described in terms of the reflected brilliance of precious stones. First Corinthians 2:9 says, “No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no mind has conceived what God has prepared for those who love him.” Because of God’s holiness, it may be that we will never be able to look upon His face, but again, this is speculation.

God The Son : Revelation 5:6 tells us that in heaven, the Lamb stands in the center of the throne and there are descriptions of Him clothed in brilliant white. Since the Lamb represents Christ Jesus, and we know that human eyes have beheld Him after His resurrection and glorification, it seems reasonable to conclude that in heaven, we will be able to look upon our Lord and Savior.

God The Holy Spirit : The Holy Spirit, by the very nature of His being, is able to move at will and take various forms. When Jesus was baptized, the Holy Spirit descended on Him in the form of a dove (Matthew 3:13-17). At Pentecost, the Holy Spirit was accompanied by a loud rushing noise and was seen as tongues of fire (Acts 2:1-4). It may not be possible to see the Holy Spirit unless He chooses to manifest Himself in some form, but that is speculation.

Mere mortals do not have the ability to grasp the wonders of heaven—it is entirely beyond our comprehension. Whatever heaven is like, it will far exceed our wildest imaginings! All we know is that we will be worshiping our great God and full of wonder that He died to save sinners.

https://gotquestions.org/see-Trinity-heaven.html

4kings:
Can you share what you understand or see that normal people don't?