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KingEbukasBlog:
Didnt see any worthy arguments but Jesus' marital status has been a seriously contentious issue https://www.nairaland.com/3187004/wow-harvard-professor-reveals-truth

I edited my post above to indicate that there were arguments for and against.

I personally don't know for sure the truth of the matter.

There could have been a historical person, or even several historical persons around whom the various stories formed - I do not know, nor is it of particular importance to me.

plaetton:
Lol.
I just googled.com.
I didn't see any proof on Google.com.

Can you kindly put the link here.
Thank you in advance.

https://www.nairaland.com/368387/krayola-state-case-historical-jesus

This is an interesting and thought provoking thread from the old days. It has strong arguments for and against a historical Jesus.

The OP, one of the most intelligent atheists ever on this board, left the forum later saying he had realized he was influencing people more than he thought, or so.

PS: Added the red text.

plaetton:
C'mon .
You are more intelligent than this.

Be careful how you parrot Buhari, because most times , Buhari doesn't understand what he is talking about, especially on issues of economics and finance.

The TSA is just what it says; an account that government money is paid into.
It is just like your savings account, but without the monthly interests.

Now, let me ask you. When your monthly salary , let's say N18k, is paid into this saving account, can you claim with all honesty that your Savings account is generating N18k per month ?

That would be silly, even to a child.
Wouldn't it , sir?
This is exactly what Buhari is saying.

Only someone totally ignorant or bereft of ideas would thump his chest and claim that TSA is generating money.

The TSA is not generating any money that the government didn't already have or has access to.

The only difference now, please read carefully, is that all the government funds are in a single account.
It doesn't mean, as this propaganda government wants zombies to believe, that TSA is generating any new or additional funds.
This is a shameful lie.

If Buhari was sincere or really understands what he is doing, he should be telling Nigerians and the world what new sources of revenue the government have discovered or are currently exploring.

Regurgitating this TSA nonsense shows that Buhari is Still miles away from understanding how the economy works.

And you, hungerbad, stop peddling ignorance.

HungerBad, where is your response to this. Thank you in advance, ignoramus.

Every single Nigerian ought to be thoroughly ashamed that we have Muhammadu Buhari as our President in a fast moving sophisticated and evolving world in 2016.

Every single Nigerian.

Any Nigerian who is not ashamed is a base and low minded human being who deserves the worst that Nigeria (and Buhari) can offer.

basilo101:
The Dullard himself is 100% part of the past so he should shut up, and you too

Bingo!

plaetton:
Bullshyte.

Blaming others instead squarely tackling the challenges is sure sign of personality disorder. When We see that tendency in little children, we are quick to scold and most cases, spank them out such horrible habit.

Blaming is in Buhari's character. He doesn't take responsibilities no matter what. It's a childish, cowardly way of evading taking responsibility.

Buhari, through his actions, most times very ignorantly, have created total CHAOS in the economy over past year and half.
The economy does not in a command and control fashion. The modern economy is very dynamic, interlinked and very sensitive to body language, government body.
Through the reckless pronouncements, policy schizophrenia, flip flops, and outright hostility against the free flow of CAPITAL, Buhari has succeeded in nuking the entire system.
It is the fallouts that we are currently experiencing.

Take for example, just this morning I read in the papers about the CBN enacting more stringent measures about the use of or domiciliary accounts.
Why should it be CBN's fxxing business about how and what people do with their own money, their own CAPITAL?
You scare people, scare investors, cause confusion and STRANGLE the economy when you interfere with the market-driven, unfettered free flow of CAPITAL.
Daahhhh!!!

So on point. It sickens me to watch people who support Buhari. It entirely shows you why the country is the way it is. A people deserve the leadership they get.

JackBizzle:
You resort to petty insults when your salad has been exposed?

Not my staple these days; but what I wrote was just a statement of fact. You exposed nothing but your lack of thought and reason. Some "foundation" indeed.

Now scamper along, scallywag.

JackBizzle:
King of the word salad.

So, you now remix "a gravitational bubble" to mean "foundation"?

The salad is strong with you.



Bubble - Foundation. Do they sound similar? When we talk of foundations, do we not mean solid structures to uphold something?

Why would a gravitational force be a foundation?

In that sense, those metal container offices we see across Nigeria that have no foundation (unlike block houses) would now have gravity as their foundation. Joker.

The joke is on your illiteracy bro.

Try to refund whatever was spent as your school fees to whoever spent it.

plaetton:
Lol.
I expect Deepsight to ask you why you are so sure that apes don't have a religion.
After all, you've never had a Town Hall meeting with apes before. Have you ?

Why the mendacity?

In the first place, you have definitely had many Town Hall meetings with Apes, since you would consider human apes.

In the second place, if humans are apes, then clearly, apes do have Religion and Science.

In the third place, in the discussion referred, I made a clear distinction with regard to mere living in tandem with the purpose of creation as worship as against formalized religion. Unserious fellow that you are, of course you try to conflate to deceive.

Enjoy.

plaetton:
that's 250 million years before God was even conceived.

And just how many years had gravity existed before Newton attempted to describe it?

Please tell.

^^^ Your very limited approach to the word "foundations" especially as used in a book like Job would have been shocking if i were not already used to your often shallow approach to the written word.

That everything in creation is in constant motion is not, and has never been in doubt: and this does absolutely nothing to refute the propriety of the context in which the word "foundations" was used in the referred scripture.

If this is the sort of kindergarten "mockery" you like to make of religionists, you will never win many over. Certainly not the lettered ones.

plaetton:
Hilarious.

Big laugh.

I could equally quote chapters from my marvel comic book collection where Odin, the immortal father of THOR, sitting on his celestial throne, made similar claims.
What does it prove ?

Double the pity.

plaetton:
I beg your pardon?

Don't be disingenuous.

I gave you a lesson in elementary astronomy to show you that there is nothing like gravitational bubble of the earth being the same thing as " foundations fastened" , because there is nothing unique about the earth having a gravity.
The Earth's gravity is just a natural pull that is commensurate to it's mass and rotation.

If I were to hurl you into space( like I rightfully should ), you would have your own gravitational pull commensurate with your lekpa size. There would be no godidit fastening you to any foundation.

What a pity.

For a well educated man, at that.

Enjoy.

onetrack:
If we could bring the population down to about 1.5 to 2 billion that would be ideal for survival, in my opinion. And we may actually achieve that by the end of this century.

. . . .Don't mean to sound all conspiracy-theoryish here - but many believe leading world governments are already working on advanced plans for drastic population reduction. . . .

4everGod:
So Seun if those who were not Prophets as you say could have access to this info where do you think they got the info from? Their imagination？

Or Belzebub, he might say. . . .

4everGod:
if you understood what deepsight said then you would not have attempted this folly of a retort.

He often has the capacity to deliver such powerful blows of incongruity and clueless reasoning which is neither here nor there that I find myself reeling.

plaetton:
Lol.
Do you need a lesson in beginners astronomy?

All bodies , all particles of matter exert a gravitational pull.
It's the gravitational pushes and pulls that are largely responsible for angular momentum and consequently, rotation.

Even the tiniest objects in space have a gravitational force proportional to their Mass.

So, my friend, gravity is not unique to the Earth, and was definitely not put there by " thegodidit", the TOOTHFAIRY or the invisible pink UNICORN.

Jesus Wept!

Just where did the written text state anything about the "foundations" it refers to being unique to the Earth? ? ? ?

Sometimes I wonder how you read - upside down. The very same thing that afflicts the religious afflicts you: desperate fanaticism.
It blinds you to elementary reason.

^^^ Plaetton Einstein and Seun Einstein - I really don't know how you brilliant Physics Laureates failed to recognize the said "gravitational bubble" as the "foundations fastened" written therein.

It's such a pity party to see one of you also alluding to the "opinion" of one of Job's friends in order to exculpate himself from the implications of the knowledge stated therein.

As for Seun, his motivations are understandable. Making kindergarten statements by the dozen as he has been doing of late is obviously simply intended to keep traffic going on his forum in these hard times right? But as for you Plaetton, you have never needed an excuse have you. . . . ?

ifenes:
My opinion....Man would have become Sasquatch/Apes if left alone to evolve

Why do you think this.

Besides what do you mean "if left alone to evolve."

Who/ what is stopping man from evolution?

Why would further evolution lead to man becoming Big - Foot

Think about it.

What say ye?

http://science.howstuffworks.com/life/evolution/man-chimp-ape.htm

^^^ Only such ones as declare that there exist no controversies or disputes on the Theory of Evolution.

Now I am sure glad I didn't declare that, my good friend.

plaetton:
Well then, it's now incumbent upon you to do the needy.
We are all ears/ eyes.

Oh no my friend, surely you do not expect me to begin to go about attempting to shew this statement to be false:

~ ""there are no controversies and no disputes about the Theory of Evolution," ~ Plaetton

You must regard me as the Town Jester.

plaetton:
Huh?

Them are fighting words, Depardo.

Oh no not at all sire: nevertheless it is a straight lie to say that "there are no controversies and no disputes about the Theory of Evolution," - your words exactly.

Is it not?

plaetton:
There are no controversies and disputes about the theory of evolution.

This is a straightforward lie.

plaetton:
@Depardo.

I cannot rebut your points one by one in a because I am using my smart phone.

You stated or insinuated that I neither speak nor understand animal language, therefore, I should not able to say what they do or are capable of doing.

My response to that is simple.

The much that we know about animal behavior, how did we get to know ?
Did we have to have town hall meetings with them in Order to be able to catalogue( in most cases with mathematical precision) their behavioral patterns?

By your twisted logic, every thing we know about animals behavior Should be null and void simply because we have never had a successful Town Hall meetings with animals.
Right Sir Deepsight, mighty sire of the woven word ?

I am sure you know very well that this is not what I am saying.

I am talking about knowing the inner thoughts of animals on such a largely impenetrable matter as this.

Studying animal behavior on diet, or se.x and reproduction or some other easily observable thing is a far different proposition than attempting to state positively how an animal views the universe, and stating on its behalf its unspoken thoughts on such a matter.

plaetton:
Secondly, how does the fact that all animals ensure the survival of their genes through mating and protection of their offspring indicate to you that each individual animal looks forward to eternal life in the same way that you do?

Can you see the way you read and the sorts of leaps of assumptions you make?

Where did I say the bold and particularly how did I suggest the bold in red?

plaetton:
My dear friend,
You wasted quite a lot of space here without making a tangible point.

This is because you despise reading.

Rather than merely asking me ' how do you know that' , it would have made much sense for you to have made a case for the opposite .

I did.

And even where I didn't the case remains true that he who asserts must prove. I can see no proof for your broad and sweeping statements regarding animals.

For centuries, we have been studying and observing animal behaviors and behavior patterns.
In fact , there are academic and professional disciplines completely devoted to the study of animal behavior.
In case this is news to you, I suggest you visit your nearest library, or better still, even a cattle rearer or chicken farmer.
Daahhhh!!

This is no news to me my friend: the study of the animal world is one of my deepest interests and always has been.

The animal world is far deeper and more fascinating than you obviously think.

If you were aware of the above, you would not draw my attention to this: nor would you underestimate the "spirituality" of animals.

Animals do not show any behavior patterns that remotely resemble worship or acknowledgement of deities.
That's a fact.

How do you know this? Animals do not speak human language. As such, I do not know how you expect their actions to mirror human actions in all respects. There are many things that humans do, which animals also do but simply in a very different way.

Even humans have varying understandings of the term "worship". For many people it may be something formal such as with activities within a religious group. For others, living life to the fullest and fulfilling your place in nature is worship of the Creator. How you know for a fact that animals do not have an instinctive urge or sub conscious grasp of this, beats me.

Animals have many instinctive urges which are hard to explain but which are pre-programmed into their psyche by the Creator(s). How you suddenly have an omniscient knowledge of all of these instincts to such an extent that you are able to make a positive declaration about deities as far as animals are concerned, I really do not know.

Are you able to read all the thoughts of all animals. Or do you suppose that they do not have thoughts? Tell me this, honestly, I would be intrigued.

Humans worship many things as deities: including fellow humans - and heck even worship some animals as deities as well, and even stumps of wood to boot.

How you can say that animals do not, for example, show the same kind of worship to their human owners in many cases, only perhaps shows me that you are not familiar with the behavior of many animals, particularly domesticated animals. For your pet, you are a god, and it accords you worship in many ways.

They also do not show anxieties about an after life, talkless of buying insurance policies for such, as you do.
That's another fact.

This is false, I pointed out to you how they attempt to protect the gene pool. Once again you comically expect the animal to stroll into an Insurance office and ask for a Life Insurance Policy, don't you? You are funny.

Attempting to do everything to protect the gene pool and the life of its young is it effort at life insurance. Taking on protective mates is another.

Now, if you think otherwise, kindly present your facts , and stop weaving these tangled noodles of words you're very fond of.

I have done so. It is you who has made wild assumptions and presented nothing.

plaetton:
My dear friend,
You wasted quite a lot of space here without making a tangible point.

Rather than merely asking me ' how do you know that' , it would have made much sense for you to have made a case for the opposite .

For centuries, we have been studying and observing animal behaviors and behavior patterns.
In fact , there are academic and professional disciplines completely devoted to the study of animal behavior.
In case this is news to you, I suggest you visit your nearest library, or better still, even a cattle rearer or chicken farmer.
Daahhhh!!

Animals do not show any behavior patterns that remotely resemble worship or acknowledgement of deities.
That's a fact.

They also do not show anxieties about an after life, talkless of buying insurance policies for such, as you do.
That's another fact.

Now, if you think otherwise, kindly present your facts , and stop weaving these tangled noodles of words you're very fond of.

Many times, to be honest with you, I am sincerely forced to believe that you either do not read what is written, or you gloss over it, or you simply super-impose your own previously held notions onto it. I actually gave you point to think on, regarding what you said - and I referred to specific patterns of animal behavior to rebut what you said.

Whilst I will respond again to this post - please note that your reference to the scientific study of animal behavior (which I am a great fan of) does not in anyway support your points. If anything, much study into animal behavior raises questions the answers to which may likely hold you against your assumptions.

plaetton:
I once opened a thread asking why animals do not worship God.

Small Question:

How exactly do you know this? How exactly do you know that Animals do not worship God?

~ Have you spoken with any animal who let you into this secret?

~ If Animals were to worship God, would you recognize their mode of doing so, when they do it?

~ Would you expect to see them in prayerful dispositions or setting up churches or temples or mosques?

I was actually attacked and mock for asking such kindergarten question.

As well you should.

Like this OP has written, without man , there are no gods.

Just as surely as without man, who would conceive of the bbig bbang? Surely, without man, it never occurred, no?

Man is the creator of god.

Just as Isaac Newton invented gravity, no?

Animals do not have an after death phobia.

Again, how exactly do you know this? What village meeting of Animals did you attend, where animal professors explained this to you?

Because, what is obvious is that they exhibit a fear of death and do everything possible to avoid dying.

Further - many animals also mourn their dead, and exhibit grief and befuddlement at the phenomenon of losing a family member. Why do you think this is so? Have you ever been a bereavement counselor to any animal whereof such an animal patient of yours informed you that it had no phobia about the after life?

Animals do not need insurance policies Redeemable after death.

Who told you this? Why do you think animals show extreme concern about their next generation - going so far as to murder the young of possible competing genes in some cases (such as lions). Behavior which may very well suggest clear interest in the status of the gene pool, not just while they are alive but after they are dead?

Animals don't have a desire to live forever.

Then why do they avoid death?

My friend, it seems to me you have made gross assumptions here - very akin to the type of assumptions you accuse theists of making!

plaetton:
Definitely, celestial bodies ARE higher celestial beings.

Fully self aware, self-conscious, sentient and sapient?

chieveboy:
. . . .that life on earth or the physical body is not possible without the spiritual.

I concur, and I really don't know how anyone in their right senses could imagine that it is. Worse than that, attempt to attribute self-awareness the inverse way - i.e: working from physical interactions of particles up to self consciousness rather than the other way round - i.e - soul using mind to control body.

plaetton:
@ Deepsight.

The article on this link is related to our debates about the tangibility, or should I say, the mathematical corollaries of feelings and emotions.

https://www.rt.com/viral/360226-emotions-mit-research-science/

I read the link and I must say I felt a sorry chill of sadness and disappointment in you for citing that link at all in support of what you are trying to say.

Really really disappointing.