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wiegraf:
Now, said person is here claiming his good friend held an absolute position other than that

Amadioha retrieve your tongue, I did not say any such thing.

Now it is eminently clear that a principality has taken hold of you and demons are speaking inside your throat.

4kings:
No wonder the Lord says; "My people perish because of lack of Knowledge"

How does this obviate the fact that you are only a very large rat? Do rats not do all these things you do every day - eat, sleep, wake up, digest food, pass faeces and urine, have s.ex, have children and die? Do they not also have two ears, two eyes, a mouth, tongue, throat, heart liver, lungs, stomach, intestines as you do? Skin and fur?

How does your statement above change you from only being a very large rat?

For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.

Do you know the thoughts of rats?

O ye simple, understand wisdom: and, ye fools, be ye of an understanding heart. (proverbs 8:5)

Wake up: you are living in a simulation as a very large rat: that is all there is to this your existence: when you die hopefully you will come out of the simulation to some silly classroom where the simulation was being done as an experiment.

Lab rat.

4kings:
I'm not surprised, the devil always implant wrong interpretations into the minds of men.
You are to have the mind of Christ to understand the mysteries of the Kingdom (1corinthians 2:16)

Will you shut up! You hypocritical deceptive agent of confusion! How dare you!
There is no such thing as the devil - in fact I take that back: you are the devil: you are a rat, and you are the devil.

What is the mind of Christ?

And did you mean the misery of the kingdom?

4kings:
Can you prove your claim?

Aiyelala! ! ! ! ! ! !

Jesu Christi + 7 (smashes egg on ya head)

Where is my Sutana?

Prayers are needed.

Ifa, Ifa, Ifa. Lo ru ko Shango. Lo ru ko Ogun.

How dare you tell this type of manifest lie?
Are you lying on behalf of Yahweh?

4kings:
Nope

Nope

Nope

Answered

Aaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh! ! ! ! ! !

Aiyelala!

See lie oh.

How pesin fit just poker face blast fabu like dis?

4kings:
That's your opinion

No sorry, that is not my opinion, that is a fact.

1. Did Yahweh command genocide?

2. Did Yahweh command human sacrifice?

3. Did Yahweh command amputation of human limbs?

Answer these questions honestly please.

4kings:
Judeo-Christian God

Yes, I know, but please say it as it is: a pagan and blood-thirsty sectionalist deity, no?

4kings:
Damn, my head hurts, let me be clear here; are you talking about Yahweh or what u think of God?

Who is Yahweh?

Are you referring to that pagan Jewish deity?

Please let us know.

Immorttal:
johny? 10 oct. 2016 .Is there a parapraxis there?

I thought I was the only one who noticed that, I sha keep quiet. E fit be time travel tins.

Enter the past.

sonmvayina:
I have seen thunder and heavy rain...kill a small child, who is responsible for the rain and thunder?....i know you have heard or seen it happen too..Issaiah 45:7

The child is likely a witch, who should not be suffered to live.

Or it taunted a prophet.

raphieMontella:
@deepsight
why would anyone say that God doesnt exist..
Why would anyone deny reality and say the universe wasnt created?
The big bang shows that the universe had a beginning..
My bible..the unadulterated word of God says in
Gen 1:1----''In the beginning''--God created the heavens and the earth..
In Gen 1:3 it says---God said ''let there be light''...the bigbang is not possible without light(EM)...
It goes on and on and gives accurate details about the universe in accordance with modern science..
Then God created man...and his cohort a wo-man...man wasnt created to die....but today man dies because of the fvcking snake who lied to eve and she ate the fruit which god commmanded her not to which he put in their Garden...but My never failing God had a backup plan..----Jesus...
So he sent his son who is God also to die for you and I so that the sin of our ancestor ''Adam'' which condemned all of mankind unconditionally(Romans 5:15-18) which hinders us from eternal life..will be lifted up..
Why cant you believe Jesus died for your sins?
Are you not a sinner?
Or do you just hate the almighty God?
all you have to do is accept jesus as your personal saviour and believe he died for your sins..if you dont..you wont gain heaven and you will be cast into hell..with satan..
He does not want and doesnt send you to hell..you choose to go to hell by yourself...
He cannot force you to worship him...even though he did in psalm 78
why do you hate God so much? Is it because atheism is a form of satanism?
Deepsight the devil is using you..your eyes cant see it..only spiritual eyes can...
Dont worry i will pray for you who doesnt believe..even tho there are kids and people out there who believe and die of hunger whom i should pray for..

It is obvious that a most unwholesome principality has taken hold of your tongue and demons are speaking through you.

God does not exist, and more importantly, you are a rat.

Please address the argument properly:

1. Prove that you are not a rat

2. Show me why rats must go to churches, mosques, etc, or even believe in any deity?

This is most unratlike and I conjure you to cease and desist and return to rat-normism.

hahn:
Still love it till today. Made more sense than the stories in the bible

Lol

Okay. . . .

But which stories in the bible do you find most annoying?

I will start with mine -

1. Abraham asked to kill his son Isaac in order to show faith

2. Ananias and Saphirah: fall down and die because you donate a part of your own earnings to the church.

hahn:
Okay Pinky

Really loved that classic back in the day

hahn:
The way you put it was funny. I am well aware that we are animals

Chill

There is nothing funny about it: subscribe to ratism today and preach it.

Ratism is real, brother rat, since you know it, let's educate more rats on it: and take over the world!

sonmvayina:
From all the religious book...but most importantly from observation and experience..remember God sent a flood to kill both the innocent children and guilty adults..

Aside from ordering genocide, amputation of limbs, stonings to death for ludicrous reasons, commanding human sacrifice on at least two occassions: sacrifices of human blood that he alleged will satisfy his anger about human sins. . . . . . .

What a nasty rat.

[quote author=hahn post=50925899][/quote]I am not happy if you attempt to trivialize my point:

We are rats, and it is high time we understand and accept this ratism, the truth that we are rats. A generally hairless rat, which strangely has hair only on its head and sometimes its chest and then in its despicable se.xual area.

What a nasty rat.

johnydon22:
This is going well - lots of sarcasm though but still going well...

Are you crazy?

What do you mean by this? ? ? ?

I have told you to adjure people of the truth: God does not exist.

We are rats. You are a rat, I am also a rat.

But a very large rat that may eat you up thus be careful.

Do you remember Sugar Candy Mountain in the book - Animal Farm by George Orwell? That is what heaven is. It is a hoax.

Now, perhaps I will devote myself more to the philosophical arguments that show that God does not exist.

KingEbukasBlog:
@ Emboldened text

Plaetton once compared humans' intelligence to rats'

https://www.nairaland.com/2152446/much-ado-human-intelligence-rat

The very painful truth which you will find very very hard to digest is that we are indeed just very large rats more evolved than the common house mouse. Have you ever looked closely at your palms? Go and look at the feet of a mouse. Have you ever wondered why most tests on new medicines are conducted with mice first? It is because their entire organic make up and metabolism is very similar to ours!

Wake up to the painful reality: you are a rat.

honourhim:
Your so called higher power gave you a brain to think while "it" doesn't think,? U people are just deceiving yourselves.

Don't mind them!

God does not exist. They should cram that into their heads.

KingEbukasBlog:
Everything that exists serves as evidence for God . Without The Supreme Being , nothing will exist

Shut up! How dare you? ? ?

What evidence are you talking about?

The evidence of a mercenary world with little accidental and deformed mercenary creatures eating up one another as evidence for God? ? ?

How does that prove that God exists, tell me.

God does not exist: cram that into your mind sir.

johnydon22:
I have been going over this board from day to day without really contributing, reason because most of the topics are either irrelevant to me [doesn't concern or tickles my curiosity] or it is simply cliche - something i have gone over time and again during my "very active days"


So it all seem boring and uninteresting to me and i yearn for some fun here at least something intellectually, philosophically challenging.


I remember as a kid in primary 6 i always thought teachers to be more important than Doctors, i still do actually but during our school debate my teacher made me argue for Doctors.

Which brings me to the purpose of this thread, lets for once leave our comfort normal zone and argue from opposite perspective than we normally do - lets swap role.

The debate is

Does God exist?

The idea is that someone who do not believe in God would swap role and argue that God exists with his points and same Goes for someone who hold a belief in Gods - lets see how well we do it out of our comfort zone

This is sorely an intellectual exercise, just to do something differently for fun - so arguing for God or opposite does not affect or change your default position..

To start - first state your default position and then state the position you'd argue for in this thread..

I'm hoping to have real fun here!!!

For the people in Enugu, there is a live debate by thinkers Pub hosted by MrAnony on this same topic [Does God exist?], i will debate live on that day [As an atheist this time ]

If you'd like to see me argue live and get to see a smashing debate, you are free to come and watch.

Date : 10th October 2016
Venue: Golden Toast Restaurant independence Layout Enugu
Time: 6pm prompt]

What nonsense is this? ? ? ? ? How dare you open such a ridiculous thread? You intend to play intellectual games with real issues? Do you think life is a reality show in much the same way as the US presidential election was simply a reality show for fun for Doughnut Jickhead Bump? I really don't know what is wrong with you children of nowadays!

You should be more interested in teaching people the plain truth: namely that God does not exist!

Think about it, the evidence is legion. The very painful truth is that we - each and every one of us, are simply very little tiny mammalian creatures - animals who happen to be living in a very tiny and insignificant planet - which we have named earth. There is not much difference between us and most other animals - we do exactly the same things that they all do to subsist: we eat other living things such as plants and animals for energy, we sleep, we copulate and have children, we pass physical waste - faeces and urine - and even a rat or a dog does all these things. The very painful truth is that for all our imagined intellect we are not much better than any of these creatures. In fact creatures like ants are probably far more advanced in their social engineering than we will ever be!

In addition to this, our lives are generally short, pathetic, painful and full of tragedies, diseases, disabilities of very repulsive nature many of which are genetic and exist from birth. If you have ever been to a hospital or mortuary you will understand this!

We are a tiny disgusting specie whose existence is harmful for the earth itself, but then to comfort ourselves we then invent the idea of God! What kind of miserable God is this which creates living beings who can only survive if they eat up other living beings - animals and plants? If you study the ruthless nature of wildlife and how a snake will eat a snake and a frog will eat a frog - how hyenas will attack a zebra and start eating him up even when he is not dead at all yet - you will see just how mercenary this world is: and humans are the ultimate mercenary creature. What kind of God creates such a miserable world, not to talk about then decreeing that we are born sinners and need belief in some odd dead creature which was one of us in order to have a better life at heaven knows where? It is a sham.

I don't even know why people like having children. It is a very evil thing to do. Why should anyone participate in bringing an another being into this nasty horrible world? Is that not wickedness? ? ? ? ?

Please: I will return to this topic later and show complete evidence that no such thing as God exists: it is a hoax: and the biggest one of all time: as such please do not annoy me by opening playful threads such as this: for God does not exist - and you should spend more time adjuring people to accept that evident fact!

wiegraf:
If the universe were a simulation it could be rigged in a way that we'd never be able to determine its origin, but that's besides the (immediate) point

Simply: wouldn't it be illogical to assume this universe isn't a simulation given the odds in the scenario I gave above?

Na confirmento simulation.

I do tire for the simulation sef, but I don't relish suicide.

^^^ Danke

plaetton:
Unless my comprehension skills are wanting,That still sounds sexist and misogynistic.

Oh not at all. I actually regard the generality of women as superior beings to the generality of men.

Saying something is girly is not chauvinism. To read romance novels, or wear flowers is girly. To play around outdoors in the mud is boyish. Neither is a discriminatory statement. I could say an adult is behaving like a little boy or little girl. That is not sexist.

Please do not taint me with the brush of misogyny as I am anything but, infact I strongly resent misogynists.

Anas09:
How girlish? . So girls are retards? Enh my sweet DeepSight?

No, not at all. Absolutely not: there are just certain mannerisms or behavioral patterns that one expects from girls, from boys, from men and from women. For example it might be boyish to play football in the mud all day everyday - this does not mean that it is either good or bad. But it is boyish. Pastor AIO's behaviour right from the other thread and even the act of creating this thread was rather girly. This is not to say it is either good or bad, but it is childish - and is more likely the behavior of a girl child rather than a boy child.

Mind you boys do very silly things as well. Boyish silly things.

PastorAIO:
Apology accepted

However the challenge still stands for you to show me where I defined God.

The one thing that will stand out about me since the first day I started with NL is my insistence that God cannot be defined. There is no way that I could do such a thing, not even absent mindedly, in my sleep, no way Jose.

I said described. But that hardly matters - define - whatever. The point remains that you have qualified God severally in the past. I have interacted with you on this forum since 2009 when I registered and surely you do not think I have enough time on my hands to engage in such a pointless task as beginning to go through all your posts and search for this or that quote - no - even if I can look for a few, it is a meaningless thing to engage myself with.

Haven said that, I have already provided you with a response - and that is simply your revert to Joshthefirst on this thread "God does not exist." It was your primary contention that one cannot say "God is existence" and you gave your reasons for saying so. You see, in so doing you have already qualified God - the minute you state what God cannot be, you have already to a certain extent described or defined a range of things that God can and will be - you have ascribed qualities and you have given limitations.

This very thing is evident in your very words on that thread and I sincerely hope you do not begin to ask me to quote what you wrote in the thread opened by Joshthefirst.

The very reason we have nouns, verbs and adjectives is to identify things, places, persons, and to describe them, and to describe actions.

This in itself lends itself to limitations and thus where you can use these to describe human perceptions, you cannot use same with regard to that which is described as God: and your quarrel that it makes no sense to say that God is existence itself, is flat-footed and misdirected. There is nothing wrong with saying that God is existence itself, and I pointed out that such a take finds fertile ground in pantheistic and panentheistic thinking.

In saying this I do not address myself to the Christian perception of God alone. And my reason in that is that whilst I have a broader take on God, many of the attributes conferred on the Divine element by the Abrahamic religions still hold true, reasonable and firm. That attribute described by Joshthefirst does as well - and represents a deep take on Divinity.

Furthermore recall that which actually struck my interest and led to the whole conversation - the idea that it is possible for a person to "not exist". That is a contradiction in terms - it is not possible to be a person and to not exist. That is simply like saying that a thing that exists also at the same time does not exist.

I am not impressed with your attempt to shy away from any and all description of God because it is nothing but your futilist approach to discussions rearing its head again. You enjoy chasing your tail and saying meaningless worthless things. It has been your custom to attack any proposition on God whilst hardly bringing anything of worth to the table yourself. I do not respect that: for while God is indeed ineffable, it is actually meaningless to describe IT as God at all if one has your stance. For on what basis would one even use the word "God" at all?

The truth is that the minute you even use the word, there is something that you have in mind which you are referring to - and as such you have a definition even within your head, even if it is encased in mystery. Otherwise you are saying that language is meaningless and we should not even use the word "God" at all!

If someone refers to God as simply as saying "the Creator" you would probably dispute even such a simple definition.
That is nothing but meaningless and worthless futilism.

DeepSight:
You said so. I have no energy to go ascouting for it. But you did.

I take this back and my apologies. I just checked and it was someone else on the thread "Pastor AIO come teach us the truth" years ago. I can't remember too clearly why, but some of us had the impression that that some one else was you. My bad on that one.

Now, this does not take anything away from the fact that you have variously described God.
Many times.

Indeed, as I mentioned, your revert to Joshthefirst attempted to restrict God in terms of nouns, adjectives and verbs.
These things cannot apply to a transcendent element such as God is understood to be.

As I told, you, it is as much a thing as a happening: as much existent as it is existence. You cannot qualify God in the way that you attempted to: not when God is itself all infinite time: the unending sum of all things that ever happened and will ever happen, stretched across eternity and yet subsumed in an eternal instant, an infinite moment.

PastorAIO:
I don't even know what that phrase means. In what context did I say it. It sure doesn't sound like something I would say even.

Please produce the link or the thread in which I said it because I am ready to swear with my last pant that I never said such a thing.

Now as regards your claim that you simply point out the real implications of peoples words, I say that is complete and utter bullcrap.


A case that comes to mind for me is when you created a whole song and dance about Morality based on posts I'd made. It wasn't just you, but many theists carried the fake banner too claiming that we have an innate absolute Morality indelibly fixed in us. Then you accused me of supporting your position, trying to add me to your team to support your cause. I protested that I'd never said anything of the sort and when you went to check my posts, what did you find ....?

You found that I only ever used the phrase 'Sense of morality'. Yes we all have a sense of morality but we don't have a single objective Morality printed on all our minds. Once you realised your error instead of doing the decent thing and apologising for misrepresenting me, you just disappeared instead. That was the last we heard about that matter.

Please try and remember who actually said God is 'tipping point of nothingness' because It wasn't me.

You said so. I have no energy to go ascouting for it. But you did. As for your ramble on the morality issue, I have no idea about your confusions. I have not argued for a fixed set of rules that are moral or immoral. a societal non-conformist such as myself could not do so. When I speak against moral subjectivity it is against the notion that everyone may at his own discretion deem what is right and what is wrong. That is an idea that collapses all ethics, all standards and all laws everywhere and anywhere and across all generations and all people of all time. It is an idea that renders it absurd to condemn or correct any action of any other person that is not yourself. Period.

Indeed the very sad nature of the moral subjectivist position is apparent in the fact that all those supporting it went as far as to say that there is nothing inherently morally wrong with the slave trade, with the holocaust, with genocide and ethnic cleansing - indeed some of them in order to stand true to their position said that there is nothing wrong with murder, r.ape, and the like.

As for the idea of seeking anyone to "support" my arguments you must be about 3 years old if you think so at all. I am not interested in any such thing. I don't care what anyone else thinks of my views. Period.

PastorAIO:
Dear DeepSight, you shall now see that I shall give you my full attention on this thread. While you are ignored on other threads, whatever you say to me here, I shall attempt to answer within the best of my abilities.

I will not be so constrained, and will only post in the dictates of my mood, my whims and caprices.

You are wrong. There is no where where I've followed up saying God was ineffable with a worded description of God. NOWHERE!! And I hereby challenge you to present anywhere where I've ever given you a description of God.

Then why is it that you attempted to restrict God per nouns, adjectives and verbs - re: your first revert to Joshthefirst in the thread "God does not Exist"?

As a matter of fact, you have described God many times although you appear not to know it.

I recall: "God is the tipping point to nothingness" - which is a description of God from you - and a description that I actually accept. Thus you may not say that you have never described God - it is wearisome for you to begin to seek a quote from you doing so in sequence after saying God is ineffable. That is just cheap escapism.

This is all boils down to what I've told you numerous times, ie, you do not read people's posts.

Oh no - people do not read their own posts - and it irritates them when I simply analytically show them the implication of their words. Some of them throw childish tantrums as a consequence - such as yourself.

You have never heard me give a description of God. I'm ready to bet everything down to my last threadbare sock on my left foot.

Haven shown this to be false I would have asked for that last stocking if it were worth a dime.

PastorAIO:
Hmmm. Deepsight is your elder. It's all making sense now. Please help me greet your senior brother when you see him.

You know, you have only succeeded in making a f.ool of yourself in opening such a childish thread such as this.

As pertains the more substantive issue which you tried to avoid on the other thread: perhaps I should help you by conveying this: you yourself have in the past described God as ineffable. Nouns, verbs and adjectives all are descriptive terms of something, or an action or a description of something all within the very finite nature of the material realm in which we live. It is therefore not apt at all for you to seek to denounce a perception of God (such as that advanced by Joshthefirst) based on notions of that which may be described or qualified in material finite terms: viz: nouns or verbs.

As I mentioned in the other thread, God is probably better understood as both a thing and a happening: as both existent and as existence itself. It surprises me that you of all people cannot absorb this. That God could be all nouns and all verbs. Interestingly you then turned around and expressed that you recoil from people attempting to qualify God with material finite terms in the exact same way as you actually attempted to qualify God!

These are the issues you should have addressed yourself to (or clarified where language took us off point) - rather than the squeamish nonsensical jibing that you have done.

PS: I have only bothered to write this because I am bored. I hope it helps re-centre your thoughts.

Read about Beating Heart Cadavers


http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20161103-the-macabre-fate-of-beating-heart-corpses
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beating_heart_cadaver#History_of_beating_heart_cadavers

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