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Christianity Etc › Re: Spirituality: Who E Don EPP? by DeepSight(m): 2:48pm On Oct 21, 2016
JackBizzle:
Ah, I see you are trying to get deepsight not to whargabl and woo-woo with nonsensical word salads
cool
Christianity Etc › Re: Spirituality: Who E Don EPP? by DeepSight(m): 2:44pm On Oct 21, 2016
PastorAIO:
Oga, I didn't ask you the quality of the question, whether it was a good question or not, neither did I ask you if you'd asked the question before.

I asked in direct response to your claim that just as a car carries a person so does a body carry a person.

Your other vague wishy washy notion of being lightly attached to some wishy washy thing such as mind or soul or whatever does not tally with your definite statement that

"A car carries a person in the same way as a body carries a person."



A person in a car is not 'lightly attached' to the car.
A person is indeed very lightly attached a a car. Only the body rides in it really.

The rest of what you wrote simply shows that you have not improved in your thinking over the last few years. Enjoy yourself.

If you say that a soul or mind is a wishy washy thing, that is your cup of tea: regardless how sadly it contradicts your own oft voiced notions. I have told you often that you are a futile mind, you engage in and rest in futility: and apparently this has not changed.

Try to ensure your existence is not futile as well.
Christianity Etc › Re: Spirituality: Who E Don EPP? by DeepSight(m): 2:42pm On Oct 21, 2016
plaetton:
Ok then.
From a historical perspective, kindly elaborate on the differences between the two.
Jesus vs Pharisees.

Spirituality is not religion: go and repeat this 1000 times until you absorb it sire.

Organized religion is simply establishment politics - finito.

It has very little to do with spirituality in most instances.
Christianity Etc › Re: Spirituality: Who E Don EPP? by DeepSight(m): 1:55pm On Oct 21, 2016
plaetton:
History is on my side.
It is not.

You conflate spirituality with religion.
Christianity Etc › Re: Spirituality: Who E Don EPP? by DeepSight(m): 1:31pm On Oct 21, 2016
plaetton:
My opinion is that the fact that spirituality has no standard upon which it can be measured, makes it superfluous and redundant to an evolving humanity.
And a sorry and sad low minded opinion it is.
Christianity Etc › Re: Spirituality: Who E Don EPP? by DeepSight(m): 1:07pm On Oct 21, 2016
chieveboy:
Actually the Pineal Gland or the 'Spiritual eye' aka Tisra til is 'refered' to as the Seat of Soul. It is a spot between and a little above the two eyebrows.

If you do an MRI for someone purportedly having their 'spiritual eye' open, you find extra-ordinary brain activity than the average person. Like Einstein.

This is cos some parts of the body literally corresponds to 'power houses' of Soul. Develop the seat of soul and some will call you an Angel.
I was going to mention this. However I don't think its just the pineal gland. I cant tell though.
There is however an interesting old Egyptian drawing showing the pineal gland as the all seeing eye.

Anyone who has ever had an out-of-body experience will understand this a little more aptly.
Many people tend to dwell in the world whereas a thinker dwells mostly in the recesses of the mind.
Christianity Etc › Re: Spirituality: Who E Don EPP? by DeepSight(m): 1:04pm On Oct 21, 2016
PastorAIO:
A car carries a person either in the drivers' seat or one of the passenger seats, or if you like in the boot.

Which part of the human body carries a person?
Good question. I have asked this exact same question several times - and in at least one case I recall asking this same question, and some people were irritated at it -

https://www.nairaland.com/1565324/person

The human person is very lightly attached through its soul to its mind: which mind is lightly attached to its physical brain - this physical brain is the transponder if you like, which enables the physical body to move about and perceive in the physical world: which physical world, is of course, a temporary illusion.
Christianity Etc › Re: Spirituality: Who E Don EPP? by DeepSight(m): 6:41pm On Oct 20, 2016
mnwankwo:
@OP. Spirituality is the unfolding of our real self, the living essence in us. Such unfolding leads to self realization and a recognition of who we are, our place in the cosmos and out inter-connectedness with all that exists. Buried in our essence is the unimaginable talent to love without reservation. Spirituality permits this love to unfold, transform it from a talent into ability and then overwhelms us and our near and far environments. This love links us to the invisible power that pulsates in the Universe, the last condensations of this power, you plataeo normally refer to as energies. In the course of this spiritual evolution, the individual will at some point come to the recognition of the source of the power that pulsates in the Universe. Now, giving and receiving love is the basis of spirituality and without it, their is no life, no motion and all is dead. Connection with the vibration of Love (conscious or unconscious to the human brain) is the source and driver of all lasting progress. There is no person that has not at one time or another experienced genuine love. In those moments, your are linked with the the living power that created and maintains all creations and at that moment you can tap into this power and exposed to "infinite" possibilities of progress in all spheres, from simple things as a spontaneous charming smile to your neighbor to the most astonishing scientific invention. The so called Eureka moments on which many scientific inventions spring from, I will argue are not because the inventor has become creative, rather he/she spontaneously tapped from the power of "LOVE". Genuine love is an inherent manifestation of true spirituality. Where there is no love, their is no life, no progress, no motion but a dead, motionless mass of creatures and creations. Stay blessed.
Sir, so delighted to see you here again.
Christianity Etc › Re: Spirituality: Who E Don EPP? by DeepSight(m): 6:40pm On Oct 20, 2016
PastorAIO:
Look at a car. Look am well well. Now tell me. Do you know the car at once? How fast can it move? What is the mileage on it? What is the boot's capacity? How smooth is the steering wheel?

What? You can't tell these things just by looking at the car at first glance? Is it not therefore obvious and ineluctable and evident ..( and all other such grammar and jedijedi vocabulary you like to throw in at this point) that the car is in fact invisible.
A car is visible just as a body is visible. A car carries a person in the same way as a body carries a person. The person is invisible to the physical eye.

We are all invisible, only rarely does the inner spirit and its inner eye or self genuinely see another person.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Existence Of A Conscious Watchman (a Discussion) by DeepSight(m):
raphieMontella:
the bolded...
Other species on other planets?
That is a given, but what is even more evident and certain is an existence beyond the material and physical reality we see in our waking hours. That intangible reality is far more real than the physical reality which we see daily and which will doubtless dissipate for one and all at physical death.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Existence Of A Conscious Watchman (a Discussion) by DeepSight(m): 12:08pm On Oct 19, 2016
ValentineMary:
The argument of a first cause has been used a lot by theologians but modern science has shown that we can have reactions without actions especially in the quantum world where classical mechanics break down.
Oh dammnn it!

Stop the italics you hear?

They hurt my eyes.

Now - tell me about reactions without actions in the quantum world.

Just a warning - don't you dare bring up virtual particles in a quantum vacuum - no perfect vacuum has ever been shown to exist anywhere - nor can one exist: following the very rational notions that nature abhors a vacuum and that no such thing as nothingness exists. So called virtual particles exist in so called vacuums which contain gaseous pressure. Thus these are not vacuums at all.

It is simple and rational to understand that things that begin or that move require causes or triggers. This flows with everything that we know, observe and have always known and always observed. It is not only irrational and contradictory to suggest the contrary, it is also counter-intuitive.

Do you not see how contradictory it is to even call something a reaction at all, if it is not triggered by a prior action? Why call it a reaction at all then?

And yet this is what you just did.

The truth is that this sort of deceitful so called quantum logic is far more nauseating in logical terms than all religious myths put together - and yet some people feel intellectually superior or more enlightened for spewing such gibberish.

Sad.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Existence Of A Conscious Watchman (a Discussion) by DeepSight(m): 11:46am On Oct 19, 2016
ValentineMary:
[i] Writing in italics is my style and I like it that way.
Sorry then I cannot continue the conversation unless you cease and desist and proceed to za oza room.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Existence Of A Conscious Watchman (a Discussion) by DeepSight(m): 11:41am On Oct 19, 2016
ValentineMary:
There were somethings in science that were once thought impossible to deduce eg the amount of Dark matter but by ingenuous methods we have actually unlocked those. By using already laid down procedures by our predecessors.
Now in the field of religion is there no way we can deducd the existence of this watchman people so claim with analytical method as laid down by predecessors ?
The existence of such has since been deduced in logic and philosophy however some persons reject simple notions such as the cosmological argument (Whatever begins to exist must have a cause) and various other derivative arguments which show that man is not, and cannot, be alone.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Existence Of A Conscious Watchman (a Discussion) by DeepSight(m): 11:38am On Oct 19, 2016
ValentineMary:
Actually ancestral knowledge is an evolutionary trait. And not some code.
How are the two in bold mutually exclusive?

And please if you are going to have a discussion with me kindly stop this irritating girlish habit of having everything you write in italics - unless you wish to emphasize a particular word or phrase.

No offense intended.

Tell me - how are evolution and codification mutually exclusive?
Christianity Etc › Re: Let's Talk Pantheism , Shall We ? by DeepSight(m): 11:34am On Oct 19, 2016
plaetton:
There is no creative factor in reality.
He says with decisive finality and assurance.
I have since concluded that you are omniscient plaetton.

BTW why did you run away the other day when you had the hilarious statement that there is no dispute concerning evolution? did you go to za oza room?

Reality is a long series of cosmic accidents, a long endless series of cosmic lotteries.
That's why it took 4.7 billion years Of SIMULTANEOUS and dynamic cosmic lotteries to evolve this current reality to where it is.
You can't really be certain of that you know? In the day that you die: perhaps you will understand what the blink of an eye is: and you will see the illusion that we live in for the blink of an eye that it is - and not 4.7 billion meaningless years.

That's why we live our short lives and disappear back to nothingness , as just constituent particles in the ever dynamic cosmic cycle.
Who said something about oxymorons. Ah, the tout, Jackbizzle. Now here is a perfect oxymoron: you propose that we actually go "back" to a place - that does not exist!

Clap for yasef!
Christianity Etc › Re: Let's Talk Pantheism , Shall We ? by DeepSight(m): 11:29am On Oct 19, 2016
JackBizzle:
And how would you know that? How would you know that something is outside (transcends) your reality? Isn't that an oxymoron?

How could you possibly know what is outside your reality?

Please, no insults- just answer my question.
Its just as obvious that a moving ball must have been acted upon by a force or trigger outside of itself.

It's that simple, you dodo.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Existence Of A Conscious Watchman (a Discussion) by DeepSight(m): 11:27am On Oct 19, 2016
ValentineMary:
Science has actually done a great job in giving ans to that. It's called ancestral knowledge. That's the same reason birds can build nest.
I doubt that birds start building nests as soon as they slip out of the egg.
I hope you understand my point here.

I am talking blind, barely conscious creatures.

At all events, Ancestral knowledge itself, is evidence of a code; a program.

New born turtles race to the sea: Birds that have never migrated before accurately do so in season and time using the earth's magnetic poles as compasses.

Bow down before that which is greater than you.
Christianity Etc › Re: Let's Talk Pantheism , Shall We ? by DeepSight(m):
KingEbukasBlog:
What's your opinion on Pantheism sir ?
Its interesting but escapist.
Elements of it here and there are true: regardless: the Creative Factor of our Reality transcends this reality.
It is flawed in that regard.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Existence Of A Conscious Watchman (a Discussion) by DeepSight(m): 2:35pm On Oct 18, 2016
byteHead:
Instincts are programmed in animals through evolution and natural selection. That's how living things adapt to their environments.  Then the best adaptations get passed on to their off-spring.





I am speaking of domestic cats. They are born with a hunting and chasing instinct. But they are not necessarily born hunters that kill for food. Killing and eating prey are behaviors which they learn from the mother cat.A cat can be a skillful mouse killer and yet never eat a single mouse or even desire to eat one.
True.
Christianity Etc › Re: Let's Talk Pantheism , Shall We ? by DeepSight(m): 11:56am On Oct 18, 2016
JackBizzle:
undecided


Why, so that you can blow big grammar with him? Big grammar that ends up being meaningless?
Did you fall off your bed and crack your skull this morning sire?
Your puerile low self esteem has always been a problem for me. I don't understand how any human can think so little of himself as you do.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Existence Of A Conscious Watchman (a Discussion) by DeepSight(m): 11:54am On Oct 18, 2016
byteHead:
These behaviors are called innate or instincts.
An innate behavior is any behavior that occurs naturally in all animals of a given species.

It is a hard-wired, inborn behavior that enables a human or animal to cope with its environment.
Eg Cats are natural-born hunters. They don’t need to learn how to hunt. Spiders spin their complex webs without learning how to do it from other spiders.
I don't know where you are heading with this, but I doubt you can justify the use of the word "naturally" in the context of this thread if by that word you mean something that requires no program but just happens. Instinct is programmed, in my humble view.

Please note that cats do learn to hunt. In fact, their parents spend painstaking time teaching them. Watch Natgeo Wild.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Existence Of A Conscious Watchman (a Discussion) by DeepSight(m): 8:58am On Oct 18, 2016
ValentineMary:
Over the years theist and atheist have argued about the possibility of us having a conscious watchman who looks over every of our activities. So this thread is for us to discuss how logical it is for us to claim to have a watchman. Pls only matured comments.

Cc Johnnydon22, Seun , Raphiemontella, Dorox, Doctoralien, Lordnicklaus, Shadeyinka, hopefullandlord, Hahn, Dakol, cloudgoddess, Donnffd, Ifenes, et al
I watched my dog give birth to her fourth litter of pups this morning.
Its still rather amazing to me how she knows exactly what to do - biting off the baby sack, licking off the umbilical chord. Protecting the pups even from their father by snarling at him.

It's even more amazing to watch the blind pups pop out of her and immediately know to instantly seek out her nipples and start suckling milk.

Make of this what you will: but there is an over arching force that guides this pulse that is called life.

May that force be with, and for you, and us all.
Good morning.
Christianity Etc › Re: Let's Talk Pantheism , Shall We ? by DeepSight(m): 7:49am On Oct 18, 2016
Where is Plaetton. He is Pantheist too. Come here Sire.
Politics › Re: Wike Under Fire For Obstructing Judge’s Arrest by DeepSight(m): 12:58am On Oct 15, 2016
patriotic9jaboy:
They will ban u accordingly. I promise u. Trying hard to twist my written words to gain sympathy? Try harder bro grin
Where is the ban? I haven't seen any.
Politics › Re: Wike Under Fire For Obstructing Judge’s Arrest by DeepSight(m): 11:09am On Oct 14, 2016
patriotic9jaboy:
Mynd44, lalasticlala, he insulted me for writing my opinion
Indeed, as an afterthought, let me add that I am mildly surprised that a person who advocates thus -

patriotic9jaboy:
brutalize them with your DSS
. . . .Would feel insulted that he is told he deserves the Animal Farm that Nigeria is!
Politics › Re: Wike Under Fire For Obstructing Judge’s Arrest by DeepSight(m): 11:06am On Oct 14, 2016
patriotic9jaboy:
Mynd44, lalasticlala, he insulted me for writing my opinion
Mynd44, Lalasticlala -

He insulted all Nigerians who do not support the Gestapo style arrest of Judges by calling us insane:

patriotic9jaboy:
Sane Nigerians are behind the arrest of judges
He assaulted the rule of law by saying this:

patriotic9jaboy:
Invade the home of looters, break their doors and safes with sledge hammers, brutalize them with your DSS
. . . Thereby calling down anarchy on Nigeria of Robespierian proportions.

I therefore urge you to be the Judges in this - no pun intended.
Politics › Re: Wike Under Fire For Obstructing Judge’s Arrest by DeepSight(m): 10:05am On Oct 14, 2016
patriotic9jaboy:
Wike is indeed lucky to be alive. Obstructing an order of arrest from the federal government all because he has skeleton in his closet is suicidal. If the Dss operatives had pulled their trigger on him that day, it would be termed as accidental discharge and at worst his deputy would be sworn in as governor if he dies. No sane person will dare the federal might of any country. The police commissioner he took a long with him answers directly to the IG who is an appointee of the federal government. Just like GEJ withdrew Amaechi's security detail, Buhari can order the same for wike and heaven will not fall. Power pass power. When they loot and steal billions they all forget human rights of affected citizens and rules of law. When it's time for prosecution, they will start screaming rule of law and due process and the same nigerians who are shortchanged will be supporting the political thieves.

Sane Nigerians are behind the arrest of judges and other corrupt members of the political class. Some call buhari a dictator but if dictatorship is what is required to sanitize the system you have the support of patriotic Nigerians. Invade the home of looters, break their doors and safes with sledge hammers, brutalize them with your DSS and make them pay for short changing the state. We must sanitize the country for the upcoming generations
You are a Nincompoop, and you very well deserve to live in the Animal Farm that is Nigeria: you do not deserve an inch better in your life, my friend.
Politics › Re: Aisha Buhari: President Buhari Surrounded By ‘Strangers' - Guardian by DeepSight(m): 4:11pm On Oct 12, 2016
sukkot:
should you continue ? shocked lawd ave mercy did he just say ' should i continue ' ? shocked you aint even started yet bro lolzzz. we aint dealing with a 30 year old case. the statute of limitation is over on that case. give me something fresh chief. and something that will move me grin
You are very wrong in your attempt to dismiss the past and Buhari's antecedents. A people who do not know their history will eternally repeat the same mistakes. People learn and improve by taking on board the lessons of the past. If a man does not know where he is coming from, he can never know where he is going to.

The truth is that Buhari is an unmitigated disaster and every single Nigerian ought to be wholly ashamed to have him as President in 2016. Before I discuss the disasters of his present nepotistic and hypocritical dictatorship, let me put the past in context with an old post of mine to show you that in this matter, Plaetton is very right and you are very very wrong.

I reproduce below my response to Geist sometime ago on the subject of Buhari.

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Geist:
Sir, I'm not sure how any reasonable economic development can be made in a state that has always suffered from political corruption and abuse of office. But that's by the way. I only wanted to know if you would have voted for GEJ instead of buhari( I respect your opinion on many things on this forum). Also there's no saying if Fela wouldn't have been more critical of the Jonathan administration than he was of the buhari administration.
You are entirely right on everything you have just said (except perhaps Fela - I doubt anything would have allowed him to tolerate the faintest scent of Buhari. . .)

And thereon let me be more.specific about my more private concerns on this matter.

1. I am completely against the idea of any former military ruler being voted president in this country. In this matter I am an extremist, I must admit. For me, it is the worst form of a peoples lack of historical perspective. I detest - and completely stand against the very idea that we should reach into the past to produce ex Military Presidents as our democratic leaders. A person who planned a military coup (or was the beneficiary of a military coup, depending on the way you see it) - should be in jail for treason in any proper country with proper perspective. This same should be more true for ANY leader who has by a coup or involvement in a coup truncated a constitutional democratic government.

Now, even where such is not the case, it beats all imagination to then permit such persons not only the luxury and entitlements accorded to former Heads of State, but to go further to permit them to even countenance the idea of contesting to become democratic president in this country.

As a consequence of this laxity and ambivalence on our part as a people, you recall that even IBB had the temerity to begin making noises in that direction - and people began to support him. You may also recall that Abacha attempted to make himself a civilian president, and in this same country people said there was no one else but him who could do the job. The truth of the matter is that if Abacha were still alive, he would be comfortably amongst the hallowed group of ex military Heads of State who have ruled this country as a cult. Further than that, he would be mooted as a future presidential candidate, just as has happened with Buhari.

The idea stinks to high heavens, not just in its brazen illegality and the way it tramples on history -( a history in which the actions of this despicable cult has caused millions of people their lives and untold suffering) - but also its barefaced immorality.

Only Nigeria can tolerate this sort of thing, I tell you. And even relish and celebrate it as positive "Change!"

2. I generally hardly vote in Nigerian elections for a number of reasons and I did'nt and would not vote in the last one. However for the reasons presented to you above I would have, if forced, have chosen a GEJ ahead of a Buhari any day anytime. In the same way I would have chosen him above any retired dictator no matter their promise to fight corruption or be stern. I simply believe none of them even have a right to consider being elected at all - particularly those involved in coups, and particularly any coup which truncated a civilian constitutional democracy such as occurred in 1983.

No matter how corrupt the Shagari government was, if there was no military intervention, democracy would have grown and institutions strengthened through the years. June 12 would not have happened, the dark Abacha years would not have happened, Our Democracy would be 33 years strong - with many lessons. It is not so bad that we had to start again - that often happens in life. But it is unthinkable that we, in so doing have little choice but the same military rulers. Nigeria.

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We can also further discuss the demerits of the present government, although it can be aptly summarized by stating the obvious: namely that the President is a stark illiterate.
Christianity Etc › Re: Dear Atheists, Who Does This Style Of Argument Remind You Of? Lol by DeepSight(m): 4:04pm On Oct 10, 2016
plaetton:
@jackBizzle.

You can find the documentary here.

http://www.racismreview.com/blog/2009/11/30/what-would-you-do-racism-in-public-surveillance/
Plaetton, the Video has been taken down, but note one of the commentaries on the page - It says -

"I would like to see a study done like that where Caucasians were placed in a neighborhood that was primarily another ethnic group. Have a group of three black children beat a car in a primarily black neighborhood, and then have three white children do the same thing. It seems only fair to do the study both ways, so that we could see if there was a bias in the black neighborhood against the children who looked as if they “didnt belong there,” in the same way the black children aroused more response in the primarily white neighborhood. As it stands, it seems to me that people are definitely discriminating, but the design of the program does not tell us if this form of discrimination is exclusive to whites or not. These kinds of videos can also skew the perception of people, in this case into thinking that racism or discrimination against outsiders is something unique to whites. I suspect, it is not. I suspect if the experiment were reversed, and you put the exact same children in the same situation in a primarily black neighborhood, the white children would be the ones catching the most flack."

Surely this is a valid point?

PS: I do not agree at all with Peterphd though. The tendency for cops to snuff out black lives with minimal excuse is palpable and real.
Politics › Re: Three Times The FBI Arrested ‘Corrupt’ Judges In US Just Like The DSS-The Cable by DeepSight(m): 8:26pm On Oct 09, 2016
The FBI and not the N.S.A or SS.
Politics › Re: Untold Story Of SSS Raids On Judges’ Homes In Abuja, Six States by DeepSight(m): 12:14am On Oct 09, 2016
SuperS1Panther:
The searchlight should be beamed on the Judiciary, if we really want to have a holistic fight against corruption.
The terms in bold appearing in the same sentence only sicken me. I would have said more, but too tired. People like you will eternally deserve the Nigeria you get.

Go on, cripple the third arm absent due process.

Intimidate and bully all the Judges of the Highest Courts. Turn them to whimpering scared slaves. Of course after doing same to the Legislature.

This is excellent democracy.

I have a sneaky feeling that this is not the way Federal Judges in the US, UK or Germany will be handled.

Something tells me in your old age you might yet complain about how this government was a dictatorship.

And something tells me still that you will see no irony in all of this.

Enjoy.
Christianity Etc › Re: How To Know If Your Religion Is The Fake One! by DeepSight(m): 8:08pm On Oct 07, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:
Ok sir , no problem .

But have you ever considered , "what if I was wrong about deism and the divinity of Christ " ?
Yes, very much - I have thought about it very much indeed; by way of a little history I once was very very passionately Christian, but this dissipated about the age of twenty/ early twenties.

I have still thought about it more recently.

The reason the question doesn't bother me is because I do not imagine that a Divine being such as God is, with its transcendent quality, will assess mere human spirits on their understanding, grasp or cognition of specific divine relationships of transcendental divine beings.

I honestly believe that is too much to demand of any earthling - and if demanded, would appear an unfair and unnecessary demand.
I would think that the purity of heart of an earthling is what should count in such a matter. And I believe that this is what was taught by Jesus (as conveyed in the Bible).

In all such cases I always refer people to one of my all time favorite posts ever made on Nairaland - made by probably the wisest man ever to grace this forum, M_Nwankwo -

https://www.nairaland.com/687376/true-meaning-love-nwankwo

I have expressed similar views using the Parable of the Good Samaritan as a benchmark -

https://www.nairaland.com/634923/wallace-cannot-good-god-does#8025566

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