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JackBizzle:
I find the other parts of your posts satisfactory, except for this part that I quoted.


And what if the thing behind this reality is just as frail as us? Why then should we call it "god"?

Please, google "westworld".


Your thinking is flawed

Well personally I believe that this world is a simulated reality and your body is the virtual reality visor and tool that you wear in this reality. Thus whatever is behind this reality may be a bunch of lab scientists on the other side once the visor is taken off. It may even be a casino. whatever. But I was referring to whatever is the ultimate source of any finite reality whatsoever. An ultimate reality.

PastorAIO:
The problem is that some people associate hi4lutin' language with depth. That in itself is a sure sign of shallowness.

What a sorry fellow you are.

JackBizzle:
Okay.....Deepsight, since you are enjoying the show.....I would like for you to answer some questions that I have been dying to ask you from day 1.


1) As a deist, you are not much different from atheists asper the Nigerian mentality but then, why do you go out of your way to distance yourself from atheists?

Simple. Because I am not an atheist. Perhaps the distinction requires being stressed especially as all too many people in my day real life believe emphatically that I am an atheist. So bad that I was invited to speak as at atheist a a public forum on religious tolerance last year. So I need to make myself very clear on the point that I am not an atheist.

Atheism is illogical. The plain truth is that whatever one calls what is behind this reality, something is behind it. You may give it any name but it is not absurd to call it God.

2) What if you are wrong? What if your deistic God is just science fiction? Do you think any atheist here on nairaland is capable of convincing you that such is the truth?

Actually atheists generally do not seek to disprove the existence of God as they often contend that that is asking them to disprove a negative. They more often ask for proof which is funny to me because every passing heart beat is obvious proof already.

My belief in God is not science fiction it is rather philosophical logic as well as spiritual or super conscious cognition.

3) Why the big grammar? I'm sure that you have travelled to either the UK or US or Canada. English speaking people do not care about big words....it is a Nigerian mentality that pushes people to use unnecessary big words.....the oyibo white man focuses on understanding rather that verbose flowery epistles.

There is no big grammar anywhere. That is your imagination.

PS. Abandon this thread already. The thread alone is evidence of AIO's pettiness.

wiegraf:
I do see where you're coming from, but don't you think you're giving mixed messages? You say a statement cannot be argued against logically, yet it can be debated?

Pardon if I caused you to misunderstand there, I only meant that I believe those statements to stand on firm logic. Of course anyone can present contrary views.

PastorAIO:
But you didn't thank me. Why? Didn't you like the insults? Did they pain you? Pele.

I give you till sun down to leave town.

I've laid out my points for even the hard of learning to understand, if you like address them, if you like don't.

You have not laid down any sensible points and no I am not hard of learning, you imbecilic t.wat. Only fellow re.tards and persons without reasoning faculties applaud your idiotically laid out non starters.

promise10:
this is what happens to kids who wants God to be tested with specimens and chemicals as a proof of his existence.

even Hahn said one time that he would believe in God, if God will come down and come to his house, knock at the door and tell him "I am god! ".

you see how ridiculous it sounds?

You have no sense of humour and you have not read the thread properly. I am not an atheist by the way.

Neither do I believe in evolution absent guidance of a higher mind.

JackBizzle:
Ah....the word salad.

SALADIFIED!

I meant what I wrote there: and besides you promised to await my Holy Salad, so calm down there.

PastorAIO:
Thank you for the insults. Perhaps you ought to read the post one more time, and then again, one more once. ruminate on it. In fact sleep on it, and then answer tomorrow morning.
Bless you.

I have much better things to sleep on, thank you sir.
And please do not become sanctimonious about any "insults". You have called me an id.iot many times and also recently too: I am not sure you saw me sulking about that.

Man up.

plaetton:
Mock! Mock!

" Who is there ? "

Deepsight.

" Deepsight Who ? "

Deepsight Depardo.

" Deepsight Depardo from where ? "

Deepsight Depardo, the Nairaland Town Jester.

" Oh, it's you. I should have known."

Calm down there.

PastorAIO:
Thank you. Perhaps my position may be better understood by those with learning difficulties if I stated it like this.

Superficially It appears like I'm saying that ' You can't say God XYZ'. But those that are gifted with incisive discernment will realise that I'm saying that 'God is just as much NOT-XYZ as he is XYZ'. Subsequently what is the point of saying 'God is XYZ'.
Terming and naming things doesn't just tell us what they are, they also tell us what they are not. That is the whole meaning of the word 'term'. A Term is something that has limits. A term could be a limited span of time. Or a term could refer to an object with boundaries and limits such as a shoe box. A shoe box is not also everything that is NOT a shoe box.

Language, words, and terms, are used and have evolved precisely to communicate facts about objects that have limits. They refer to terms. God is not a term. Yet one can say he also is a term. Thus we have paradox. Paradox for me is just where Logic and human reasoning meets ultimate realities.

Ultimately we are talking about where all dichotomies, either or, this or that, here or there, now or then, etc etc etc break down and are no longer workable.

This is pure gibberish.

You are talking unrefined shi't.

Nothing here is of any use: if anything you have just affirmed exactly what I said earlier: to wit: saying what God cannot be, is already defining God. I said that earlier, perhaps you did not read it. And yet you defined what God cannot be in your revert to Joshthefirst.

Rather than waiting for praise-singers to assist you before you coyly come about to say "thank you" to them, why don't you just stop menstruating already and man up to the real points? ? ?

You are a clown.

wiegraf:
But, but in most logical frameworks there's nothing simple and a lot to be disputed in the example you give...

I do not even mind of one disputes it: in fact debate is the life of the party: what I mind is someone saying that everyone should just shut up and keep quiet as nothing can ever be known. . . .

wiegraf:
Depends on what a spirit being and my values are, good ser

A spirit being is simply you absent your physical body. Now I know that you do not believe that you can exist absent your body, but you can, and indeed you will. If you have ever had out of body experiences you will have a personal knowledge of this which will be beyond words and arguments.

Your values are simply the same thing: that which will be important to you without the needs of a physical body being considered.

wiegraf:
With some subjects there are very few things that would qualify as inescapably obvious

My point is sealed in the very fact that you say - "very few things" as opposed to "absolutely nothing can be known"

His problem might be that you are making positive claims about things you cannot know, and he seeks to avoid that

His problem is that I am a thinker: and I seek to put thoughts on the table whereas he seeks to remove all thoughts from the table on the pretext that nothing can be known. Hardly different from what the old Catholic Church did to the ordinary people: deny them any thoughts at all.

At all events I don't make positive claims about things I cannot know: you have not seen me saying something along the lines as - "God came to the earth as a man and died for your sins 2016 years ago", have you?

The claims I make are simple and cannot be argued against logically: that God is eternal and transcendental for example. Left to oloriburuku Pastor AIO, even saying such, should be forbidden.

plaetton:
The contradictions in your position are too obvious if for you to ignore.

You might think so, my child, but I am here to enlighten you.

Pastor AIO's position is more sensible.

It is the position of a futilist.

As he used to like to quote in the past - "Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent". . . .

What this simply means is that he and everyone should forever remain silent on the subject of God as nothing whatsoever can be known about it.

This is not only futile, is also runs against the grain of all scientific, and inquiring thinking.

If you say that God is a mystery, you are admitting that nothing about God is certain and obvious. Thus, all supposed attributes of God are at best, speculative and imaginative.
Not so ?

No: the fact that something is a mystery does not mean that nothing at all about it can be known. The knowledge is simply inchoate, or not complete. That the Earth is a sphere which orbits the sun is certain knowledge. This does not mean that there is not still much mystery about the Earth and Sun. Same with the Universe.

My position simply articulates just that: whereas Pastor AIO's position is simply that nothing can be known and as such everyone should just permanently shut up. It is a very negative and worthless position which contributes nothing to critical thought. In fact, it is the very antithesis of critical thought in philosophy.

wiegraf:
Get a tank of nitrogen or helium, you'd go with a smile on your face sef

Getting one is a little difficult tho

Living as a rat can be tough, but I wouldn't have it any other way

Don't you think that living as a spirit being in a world of spirit forms absent the mortal requirements of living as a rat would be a superior existence?

plaetton:


Them are fighting words.

I ought to have credited FFK.

He used that comical turn of words when criticizing Buhari over Za Oza room issue.

I really love the way he writes, his caustic words are just too funny, although I don't know about his politicking or his sanity.

He described the work of that professor who wrote Buhari's biography recently as "that accursed book"!

wiegraf:
Wouldn't a positive description of god qualify as an absolute position, good ser?

Not to the extent that the positive description is inchoate.

We can know positive things bout anything which are still inchoate.

For example we do not know all there is to know yet even about ourselves and our own bodies, but we still know some things which we may give positive descriptions on, is that not the case?

The simple delineation between my position and that of alakori Pastor AIO is that I state certain attributes of God whilst still acknowledging that God is a mystery. Those attributes that I state and argue for are none but the inescapably obvious. On the other hand, alakori Pastor AIO retires into his chasm with a Jewish-Like attitude that noting must be said about God's nature at all.

Bollinger:
You don't even know what a typo is. You call that a typo? Seriously? Jesus. Smh.

Didn't even read anything and I do not know what spelling error you are referring to. You must be pretty petty and pedantic.
I still haven't read anything - for heavens sake I opened this thread six years ago!

Ps: It just occurred to me perhaps you are referring to "Spiritualitie" as I wrote in my title.
If, and just if, that is the case, then you are a buffoon.

Otherwise you are simply pedantic.

Bollinger:
You can't even spell and you want to lecture us on spirituality. Ok.

I had forgotten about this thread and perhaps you are obsessed with typos.

4kings:

For real though

4kings:
Can you share experiences you've had to buttress your claim?

Not here. People will only misunderstand it. The last time I dared speak about it someone said it was psychosis, whereas I know differently. You can send me a private message though and I will revert.
Cheers.

hahn:
I took a break from smoking for some months now though but then, i wasn't wasting money on rizzla. It was in those time I truly felt connected to the most high

I started at the book of revelations(al lot of things were revealed) and stopped at the book of James

4kings:
How do u get your Crown Chakra open?

You will have to depersonalize and that takes ego deconstruction mostly.
Don't sweat it. Its not something to be wished for as you will see things normal people cannot see and that could be disturbing.

Whenever its time, you will experience it. All humans do, eventually.

4kings:
How do u get one?

Your Crown Chakra has to have opened.
Its a scary experience though, but you can get used to it.

4kings:
Nope

That is the problem.

When you have one, you will graduate to my frequency.

Good day, and I bid you greetings to your fellow rats in dignity.

hahn:
The whole bible is annoying.

In my house I either use the pages to roll weed or use it to tilt my fan. At least it is useful in these instances

Do you know, this is the first time it is occurring to me that the pages of the old bibles are usually light just like Rizzla.

Hian!

johnydon22:
lmao..

Have fun gents

johnydon22:
I'm here now, they are setting up the camera

What?

Johnydon, is that how you appear?

Will you go and remove that 1980s Bobby brown abi Ralph Tresvant thing on your head.

4kings:
Nope; the digestive system is necessary, for healthy living.
abi wetin u want again?

It is horrid.

I mentioned survival.

Then you were contradicting yourself.

I think therefore I am.

Cogito ergo sum does not mean that your existence in this simulation is real. It only means that a you actually exists inside your mind: inside the biochemical program that is your body.

This reality on earth is a simulation. It is a hologram, I tell you.

Small question: Have you ever had an out of body experience?

hahn:
Does what exactly?

Strikes you dead and drowns you (in the earth, six feet deep)

hahn:
Lol. I am waiting

But its inevitable anyway.
God does this to everyone.

To all his creatures.
You cant escape it.

4kings:
Higher mammal would be preferable.
And those similarities you mentioned only buttresses God's power and wisdom.

How does it?

Why create a higher creature with disgusting habits and smelly necessary daily digestive procedures which ensure it must defecate stinking elements which it itself finds repulsive?

Does that not show God to be repulsively low?

Again, Higher mammal would be preferable.

I don't see what is "higher" about an animal such as the human which engages in the sorts of repulsive things that we do.

lmao

What matters here, is that their thoughts are limited to their own social system and survival.

This is NOT true: they interfere in the lives of creatures of different social systems with alarming and disastrous results. This remains true of the small house rats as well as the bigger rats (humans).

And you know this how?

Go to bed and wake up. Take a mirror and look into your eyes. Look very hard and deep. Hold the side of your temples as you do so. Squeeze them. Open your mouth wide afterwards and stare down your throat.

After conducting this experiment ask yourself where you are and what you are and you should understand.

You are a hologram.