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So its true, then, that Aliens co-ordinated the building of the pyramids?

@ Prizm - Fair enough, each person must after all, make his own case, each distinct, each different.

However you lead me to believe that the core moral of the Russell quote was lost on you, and perhaps it is apt to have some perspective on the principle of burden of proof. In this perhaps i am somewhat tainted by my legal background as the term "burden of proof" has a distinct legal connotation.

In a sentence, the principle states - "He who asserts must prove".

However it is worth noting that this refers to a positive assertion as opposed to a negative assertion. In other words if i were to make the positive statement: "Michael Jackson is standing on his head in a cave inside Mount Everest" - the burden of proving that would rest on me, and not on the person who makes the negative assertion - "Michael Jackson is not standing on his head in a cave inside Mount Everest."

It is for this reason that in criminal trials, the burden of proof rests with the prosecution who are making the positive statement - "He did it" and not with the defence who are making the negative statement - "He did not do it."

This is why i was somewhat bemused when you stated: "Besides, matter in the vast expanse of this universe’s space-time does not spontaneously self-organize into teapot shapes – not to talk of delicate ceramic teapots or other remorseless pieces of china" -

Because Mr. Russell's point has got nothing to do with that. His analogy simply is directed at showing up the flaw in insisting that the non-existence of something that has not been observed, or cannot be observed, must be proved by the skeptic. A grasp of the "absence of evidence" theorem will suggest that this is an absolute impossibility: and also an incongruity -  the atheists will never attempt to prove the non-existence of God, as such can never be done, nor does it make sense to ask them to come up with the evidence for a negative assertion.

It's quite simply a contradiction in terms.

But i digress.

Let us return to the core deductive argument.

So far i have put a number of propositions on the table. In addittion to my earlier equations, i will like to introduce the one i believe to be the most compelling - that is, if you all can fall into step with it on a mental level.

Here goes: Tudor -

Do you accept the principle of Duality: namely - that every quantity, element, or concept, must perforce have a logical reverse - for example  - up and down, light and dark, positive and negative?

Check out the profile of Distinct89, he's even got his picture there, so we can all see the face of a child-molester. . .

DISTINCT89:
If you like open a website 4 it that's is your problem, I definitely know the truth will judge on the last day (yaomul Kiyamoh)Abuzola is saying the right thing ok,
As 4 me I will even let out my 5 years babe girl out to follow the way rosullulahi peace be upon him (SAW).Hw will he answer such a stupid question ok,

Another Jihadist justifying his Paedophile tendency. . .

And what is obvious to you is that the Governor of the CBN can print any amount of money (even trillions) and give it out in long term loans without the legislative imprimatur? ? ? Well. . . just stick to engineering then!

Go see how its done in developed countries - this thing aint no joke and needs public and proper appropriation.

Engineer. . . hmmm no wonder had no patience to read my post properly. Do your self a favour and try to spare a few seconds to read the points i raised and give me arguments against those points.

Wow! Dis[b]manliness[/b]89 IS NOT ashamed to state that he will allow his 5 year old kid have sex!

Its amazing how religion brain-washes people!

Next thing is Mohammad (SAW) says - KILL ALL YOUR MOTHERS! - You lot will definitely defend it.

Shame on you! ! !

Abuzola:
May God ve mercy on you, if i was to be reverse to 1430 years ago i will even give my  7 year old daughter to my friend to consumate her. Whats the big deal.

Finally, Nairalanders, Mullah Abuzola has declared himself a Paedophile.

Please lock up your female kids. . . and maybe the male ones as well. . .

HE HAS ADMITTED IT! HE IS A PAEDOPHILE AS WELL! PLEASE EVERYBODY SAVE THE QUOTATION SO HE DOES NOT RETRACT IT! PLEASE SPREAD THE NEWS! ABUZOLA IN LINE WITH THE TRADITIONS OF THE PROPHET HAS DECLARED HIMSELF A PAEDOPHILE! ! !

I AM GOING TO OPEN A NEW THREAD ADVERTISING THIS FACT!

I AM SO EXCITED! ! !

I was going to raise the same question on his strange red font! Quite scary if you ask me.

Prizm - Don't wait up for it - while we bother our heads prsenting defensible cases for the positive existence of God, no atheist has ever, or will ever present a case for his positive non-existence.

This is because they know full well his non-existence can never be proven.

Nevertheless, they are somewhat justified in taking the position that it's not their task to advance proof, but ours.

In the words of the great Betrand Russell:



“Many orthodox people speak as though it were the business of sceptics to disprove received dogmas rather than of dogmatists to prove them. This is, of course, a mistake. If I were to suggest that between the Earth and Mars there is a china teapot revolving about the sun in an elliptical orbit, nobody would be able to disprove my assertion provided I were careful to add that the teapot is too small to be revealed even by our most powerful telescopes. But if I were to go on to say that, since my assertion cannot be disproved, it is intolerable presumption on the part of human reason to doubt it, I should rightly be thought to be talking nonsense. If, however, the existence of such a teapot were affirmed in ancient books, taught as the sacred truth every Sunday, and instilled into the minds of children at school, hesitation to believe in its existence would become a mark of eccentricity and entitle the doubter to the attentions of the psychiatrist in an enlightened age or of the Inquisitor in an earlier time.”

I am sure you see from the above the lucid reason why it might not be apt to ask an atheist for reasons or proof.

We are the ones asserting the existence of a quantity that cannot be seen, and so the burden of proof, if any, falls with us.

He will not answer. He is not honest with himself. He always runs away from this question.

Fair enough

We can start with the Roswell Incident. . .

So just clarify for us, Mazaje - is it your position that EVERYTHING in the Bible is a lie?

Or that there are absolutely NO historical truths contained in it?

No, they actually register as Incorporated Trustees, which gives them the powers of a legal person to hold property and enter into contracts, as well as to sue and be sued if needed. Similar to an NGO or Charity.

Such bodies are tax exempt, which is a pity, because most of our churches deserve to be taxed.

Every Pastor in Nigeria should be probed by the EFCC. It has become the most dishonourable profession in this Country

Kunle, this is a great siggestion. But Ashtar may have security concerns since he states that the World Governments are keen to hide the truth.

So let just you and i agree on a place to meet with him secretly, so that he can show us various UFO paraphenalia and if we ar lucky we can also get him to take us on a 1 week trip to other parts of the Universe.

Ashtar, wetin you feel?

Do you believe in the existence of extra-terrestial civilizations?

Do you believe such Civilizations have had a major role in world history here on Earth.

What implications do such realities have for your Faith in God (if any) and established Religion?

Do fill the Poll above before Posting, please!!

Let's get one thing straight, Mr Galacticos -

I firmly believe in the existence of extra terrestial intelligence and i am convinced that there are billions of worlds in existence.

WHAT I WANT, is an incisive grasp of the realities and real knowledge.

Your posturing as an alien hardly makes it possible to take you seriously in that regard.

So getting serious now:

Question: What is the Uncaused Cause of ALL existence.

@ Ashtar, although very intrigued by your posts, also worried about your mental stability.

I suppose you are accessing Nairaland from the safety of your Space Ship some 5 billion years above the earth . . . ? ? ?

Let's not be spiritually myopic. All things physical are a reflection of a pre-existing spiritual reality. So the fact that Rivers are mentioned is no evidence that the garden was on earth.

After all, the bible speaks of a heavenly Jerusalem. That does not mean it refers to the capital of Israel in the middle-east.