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Boomark: There is no alternative my brother. I can't give our humble God directives. what you are not seeing is that He is far greater than man and He knows the best for man to even use "Let us" instead of Saying go and do this and that because i know more than you. Do you get it now? So having the ability to reason is not the case.

the same thing goes to the "let us" during His creation. Jesus told us that He learns from what he sees the Father doing.

truthislight: lol. You have started speaking in tonques and contradicting yourself/lying.

The truth is, Jesus was a man, simple.

Imagine all you did to yourself:



Smh for you.


Stop lying!

truthislight: Was he doing this things befor the spirit of God came upon him ?

Was it not when the spirit of God came upon him that he started performing miracles ?

It was the spirit of God(power of God) that empowered him to do all he did like that same spirit had empowered other prophets of God in the past.

Stop going outside what the bible says.

Why did you forgot he was annointed ?

Did the Father Annoint himself ?

Did the father called himself "this is my son" ?

Smh for you.

truthislight: Angels and Jesus and God were there when God created the earth and man.

Dont you read your bible well ?

truthislight: Answer her question and stop hiding behind your "lol" and "shoe" talk.

truthislight: The earth a person ?

All the persons that God created are sons of God.

1. Adam
2. Angels
3. Jesus

The angels that came to earth to see Abraham, Jacob, and lot did not pass through the womb or a woman but rather, they materialised and put on mans body and as such remained and keep their nature as angels even though they have put on material body.

Same thing with the angels of Noah's day that did put on material body and married women, they were still angels.

But was that ^ the same with Jesus ? No.

Jesus came as a man to pay the ransom for a man(Adam).

He passed through a woman(mortal) to come to earth.

If he had done as the other angels did, then your case would have held, since the other angels that had came befor were still considered to be "spirit" persons.

That ^ is the way in which the bible considers "spirit persons"(eg angels) that puts on body.

What that comes out from a woman is man. QED.

This is Not greek mythology.
Peace

ijawkid: I have never in my life called Jesus God the son.....never ever......

Please when Jesus said he and the Father are one what do you think he actually meant??.....

John 17:20-23

20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray
also for those who will believe in me through
their message, 21 that all of them may be
one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in
you. May they also be in us so that the world
may believe that you have sent me. 22 I have
given them the glory that you gave me, that
they may be one as we are one— 23 I in them
and you in me—so that they may be brought to
complete unity. Then the world will know that
you sent me and have loved them even as you
have loved me.



The above verse describes what ever Christ meant when he said I and the Father are one..........he wasn't refering to an ontological oneness if not we all would be GOD the almighty too are part of the GODhead........

Because of Jesus is in the Father and the Father is in Him,so Jesus could rightly say if you've seen me you've seen the Father......Jesus was a representative of the Father........

Now the truth is we are also in both Jesus and the Father.....that should even make higher than the both of them(Jesus and the Father)...........

Jesus being refered to as Immanuel in no way means it is God himself who is with us literally speaking.......its a name he'll bear because he was sent by God and would do Gods work by bringing comfort to peoples........

We have persons in bible times who had answered names like Eli′athah which means
" God Has Come'"...............

The role such persons play is the reason why they are given such names not because it is who the person is.......

No man hath seen GOD(The Father) and so he sends his representatives who we can see and not die........

And expressions like God the son and God the holy spirit do not exist in the scriptures........what exists is just God the Father alone......

Am I lying??.....

ijawkid: I have never in my life called Jesus God the son.....never ever......

Please when Jesus said he and the Father are one what do you think he actually meant??.....

John 17:20-23

20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray
also for those who will believe in me through
their message, 21 that all of them may be
one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in
you. May they also be in us so that the world
may believe that you have sent me. 22 I have
given them the glory that you gave me, that
they may be one as we are one— 23 I in them
and you in me—so that they may be brought to
complete unity. Then the world will know that
you sent me and have loved them even as you
have loved me.

The above verse describes what ever Christ meant when he said I and the Father are one..........he wasn't refering to an ontological oneness if not we all would be GOD the almighty too are part of the GODhead........

Because of Jesus is in the Father and the Father is in Him,so Jesus could rightly say if you've seen me you've seen the Father......Jesus was a representative of the Father........

Now the truth is we are also in both Jesus and the Father.....that should even make higher than the both of them(Jesus and the Father)...........

Jesus being refered to as Immanuel in no way means it is God himself who is with us literally speaking.......its a name he'll bear because he was sent by God and would do Gods work by bringing comfort to peoples........

We have persons in bible times who had answered names like Eli′athah which means
" God Has Come'"...............

The role such persons play is the reason why they are given such names not because it is who the person is.......
No man hath seen GOD(The Father) and so he sends his representatives who we can see and not die........

And expressions like God the son and God the holy spirit do not exist in the scriptures........what exists is just God the Father alone......

Am I lying??.....

ijawkid: But how can we reason if we were not bestowed with such abilities.....can God reason with animals or plants??.....

What do you understand by the word GODhead??....what does it mean??.....

Please define it......Jesus being given that power to create does not make him equal to God.......its like saying God giving Jesus the authority and power to rule makes Jesus equal with the one who gave him authority......

ijawkid: The bolded is my problem......Jesus is not part of the personality of GOD,Jesus is a person distinct from his Father(GOD).....

Jesus was given power to serve as Gods agent for creation.....remember that Jesus was granted to have life in himself.......



The moment you say God has 3 personalities then you're saying God is confused.......

And when you say God who do you mean??.......

ijawkid: Yes all the parties involved including God could reason...right??.......

But are these thinkers all personalities of GOD??......

God has given us the ability to reason.....and so he invites us to reason with him.......

Apply this to Jesus as regards creation...............

Boomark: How about this one "come now, let us reason together"?, Isaiah 1:18. How many personality are involved?
smh

Ijawkid: When God says Us he was definitely talking to someone who wasn't a part of himself but someone who is a distinct person(s) from Him......

deSika: so tell me how many spirit beings that have the ability to create do you have apart from God

deSika: Genesis 1:26 says And God said let us make man in our image
genesis 1:27 so God created man in his own image.

going by what you said about God talking to a different personalities. Did the other personalities refuse to take part in the creation process in verse 27

ijawkid: You are insinuating Jesus' memory was halfed??.......right??.....

he knew angels didn't know the day and hour including himself but only the Father knew.......

You might just be infering that Jesus didn't know himself.......

Now the question is:::: is Jesus really the Jesus who pre-existed??.......should I believe Jesus' words since his human nature must have affected his decisions and sayings??.....

I stick to the Fact that Jesus had his memory from heaven intact and that infcat he did not knw the day and hour but only the one invisible God the Father......

ijawkid: May I inform you that I believe Jesus took part in creation....but was Gods agent......

So in verse 27 it won't be contradictory if it is said God created man in his own image.....

Because he is the ultimate source....

Even Jesus is the image of that one invisible GOD the Father.......

All of us are image of that one invisible God the Father.....

deSika: so tell me how many spirit beings that have the ability to create do you have apart from God

*Kails*:
He was a man. Human. Mortal.

creation of God. Not more special than you or I. we are all children of our creator/s.

we all did.

If there is a heaven, I believe we all were spirits there. Not in any particular shape or physical form. We will return that way after death..IF heaven exists.

ijawkid: But he wasn't spirit on earth na....abi??......

And you didn't answer the bolded....

ijawkid: But he wasn't spirit on earth na....abi??......

And you didn't answer the bolded....

ijawkid: Naaaa......God remains a spirit and one that can't be seen.....

God is one 1 person the Father........

When God says Us he was definitely talking to someone who wasn't a part of himself but someone who is a distinct person(s) from Him......

It could have bEen 1 billion persons....

ijawkid: My point is Jesus was a 100 percent man when on earth and not some combo.....

Having his memory intact doesn't mean he had a dual nature at that moment.....

Jesus remained flesh and blood for complete 33 and a half yrs and never did he dematerialize or become a spirit at any instant........

Jesus before his death didn't have that ability like angels do to materialize and dematerialize....hope you now understand when I say Jesus didn't have a dual nature.....

Yeah Jesus had that ability to read the minds of people and had his memory intact like I said....

So why do you and your colleagues disagree with Jesus when he says the day and hour he doesn't know but only the Father??.....

honeychild: and deSika proceeded to say:'let us make Ogbono soup for us to eat' .....and he proceeded to boil some Ogbono soup

can I conclude that deSika has an 'us personality?'

ijawkid: From genesis I can't see where it says there 3 persons......I just can't see it......

Why must God be confined to just 3 persons??....why not 10,4 or 7 billion??.....

Why 3??.........

ijawkid: Lmao.....where him throw way am go??....for dust bin??.......God transfered his life into marys womb......and became no longer a spirit but flesh and blood.......

If Christ had a dual nature intact he wouldn't have had blood flowing in his veins....
[dual nature means having two natures. Having the nature of a man(blood flowing in his veins, touchable, gravity bound, etc) and having the nature/attributes of a spirit (inability to stay dead, existing from time immemorial, knowing the thoughts of men and things that happened outside his immediate vicinity, ability to give eternal life etc)
[quote]I said Jesus was a spirit being when in heaven........on earth God made him lower than angels(no more spirit) to be flesh and blood.......

But Jesus was perfect.......

Jesus had his memory intact......what Jesus wasn't when on earth was that he was a spirit and then man at the same time......
His Life or existence was not a different one......it was his body that was different...his past and all his memories were intact.......

Jesus when on earth was a perfect man...I'm only saying he was flesh and blood...he had to be like his brothers(US).....

ijawkid: What you failed to ask yourself is why isn't God quadruple or decuple??....why is it the triology??.......

ijawkid: I wouldn't say throw it away.....he was made by God to be lesser than the angels who were spirits so that he could be flesh and blood.........God who made him lower was the same God who exalted him back to being a spirit being after his work was done here on earth....

Lol........when the armed robbers repent they become his sons.......but by default just as adam was Gods son so are we......

Like man does not have dual nature.......

We are flesh and blood completely......

It is either one is a spirit or flesh and blood....not both.....

ayenny02: See how you gun yourself down, Jesus said in John 16:7
7. Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I GO AWAY: for if I GO NOT AWAY, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I DEPART, I will send him unto you.

HAS HE DEPARTED BEFORE DISCIPLES RECEIVED HOLY GHOST in john 20:21-22;

"Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you. And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost."
See how you failed woefully, if you interpret the verses to disciples ALONE that means the disciples are still alive when Jesus said in matt 16:27-28

27. For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father's glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what he has done.
28. I tell you the truth, SOME WHO ARE STANDING HERE will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom."

Matthew 10:22-23

22. All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.
23. When you are persecuted in one place, flee to another. I tell you the truth, you will not finish going through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

Jesus (as) was telling his followers that they will never taste death. However, there is not a single one of them alive to this day.

John 14:16
16. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

so how can Jesus (as) say if he does not go the "comforter" will not come if that comforter is already there? The "holy spirit" was already there regardless if Jesus (as) stays or leave. This means we cannot say the "comforter" is the "holy spirit".so we clear see that this person that will lead people into "all truth" is someone like Jesus -a prophet- who will come newly to earth.

Look at these verses below and compare it maybe Jesus (as) was referring to an advocate or holy spirit,
1 John 2:1:
"My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:"

John 14:16
16. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another advocate, that he may abide with you for ever;

ayenny02: QUESTION 4. Christians say that the Paraclete means the Holy Spirit (John 14;26).

ayenny02: Jesus said in John 16:7-8 "If I do not go away the Paraclete will not come to you ". This could not mean the Holy spirit, since the Holy spirit was said to have been there before Jesus was even born as in Luke 1:41 "Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit". Here, the Holy spirit was also present during Jesus life time. So how could this fit with the condition that Jesus must go away so that the Holy spirit will come?

ijawkid: He was a man while on earth.....100 percent man like adam.......but perfect......

Beings bro......

Persons.......

Starting from Jesus,to the angels and to man........

Jesus' nature isn't dual the way you think of it.......

It was only when Jesus came to the earh through a woman that he became 100 percent man....there was never a time when he was dual.......when he was on earth he was 100 percent man(perfect),when in heaven he is a spirit being like the Father and all other angels...........

lanrexlan: Open another thread and challenge muslims with your questions,if they aren't against NL rules,muslims will surely respond.No need hiding your thread If it wasn't against the rule.....Peace

obadiah777: 1-IF I EMBODY SOMEONE COMPLETELY DOES NOT MEAN I AM THE PERSON. REMEMBER DURING THE PENTECOST ALL THE JEWS EMBODIED EACH OTHER COMPLETELY. EVERYONE IN THE KINGDOM WHEN THE WORDS HAVE BEEN PUT IN OUR INWARDS PART WILL EMBODY EACH OTHER COMPLETELY. DONT MEAN WE ARE THE SAME ENTITIES

2-YOU EXISTED BEFORE COMING DOWN TO EARTH. GENESIS 2 VS 1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them <<< YOU WERE MADE HERE AS WELL AS MYSELF

3-JESUS CAN BE A MAN IF HE COMES TO EARTH AND A SPIRIT IN THE HEAVENLY REALM AS CAN YOU AND I