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9ja_I_hail: Did anyone noticed that Gowon is sounding like a confused and worried xmas hegoat? i know what troubles his mind right now as the matter surfaced in 21 century. He must be saying right now if this people take this case to Hague what do i do, now awo and co is death only me will face the music lol hehehe

In all seriousness though, why haven't you ibos taken your case to the Hague if you believe so strongly that you were wronged? Is it for lack of concrete evidence or that you know truly that your enemies did what was to be expected in a war?

re@lchange:
one genocider defends another
what did anyone expect
gowon is still alive, awo is dead
the man just wants to ensure that no one drags his a.ss to de hague
hahahaha!

Hague laago melo? Lo sun jo!

Jarus: JUDGING CRITERIA

1, Presentation(opening, flow, closing) - 4 marks
2, Logic of arguments - 4 marks
3, Strenght of facts & examples - 4 marks
4, Grammar - 4 marks
5, Demonstration of knowledge/understanding of the subject - 4 marks

Is this ok? Or can we jointly tinker with it?

Kai! would hate to have you mark my exam papers o.

hahaha...ibos! They are protecting their spare parts and fake drugs shops. Dem no say if yawa gas, their investments would be up in smoke. Wise move.

Dudu_Negro: Ahem....hold on, let me clear my throat......aahhem!

Desola, admit it, you like flirting with Gbawe.

I know his type, they like playing hard to get but i'll get him.

Gbawe: How can anyone interpret my utterances here to be "lobbying"? It is clear I disqualified myself from Judging anything, yet those determined to carry hatred for others everywhere will still never stop malicious lies and utterances submitted carelessly and falsely to malign others.


@Jarus. Like PointB did, please rule me out entirely. I am no longer interested in taking part in any aspect of this debate initiative. I don't need this nonsense this forum has been reduced to where some just go around saying what they wan't carelessly and having the 'freedom of the manor' and even encouragement to attack and insult others from thread to thread. I won't join a process I can already see will only provide another avenue for insultive stalking and unprovoked personal attacks. Good luck raising the level of intellectual discourse here.

bye, bye, don't let the door hit your ipako on your way out o.

CAMEROONPRIDE: he didn't appeal the ruling of the IJC ..cause he knew it was worthless and Bakassi belongs to us ..now to all the nigerians living on my land u better cool down and ask yourself what so far Nigeia had done for u in this area...to the war-mongers lets make it clear Nigeria can't win a war against Cameoon ..peace in Africa ...thanks GEJ for ur brillant spirit ...u took the right decision by avoiding a complete decimation of ur troops ...kudo ..Bakassi my love welcome back.now every kind of illegal action will be a declaration of war(this is to the fools who kep protsting and contesting the truth)

...so you have come to gloat?

Jarus: Ayaba, ekaabo.

What position do you want? Chairlady? Queen of the debate?

i'll be the Lord chancellor.

Anyway,I am for the women and I nominate Sisi-kill, skyblue, isale gan.

Jarus: PointB,

I hid your posts and banned your new ID because is it is created to circumvent deterrent ban, therefore illegal ab initio.

You can continue to raise the points you raised with your new ID using your original ID when you resume from the 5-hour ban, of course, without uncivil words.

New ID banned, posts made with it hidden.

Thank you.

Mighty igor!

Anyway, just don't include Gbawe's name in the moderators abi na judge. I see that he has started indirect lobbying by being all over this thread like white on rice. Sheesh!

re@lchange:
lesson for all igbo
Yoruba cannot be your relation
stop marrying them!
stop developing their land!

Abeg, tell them o. But you really need to be talking to your daughters about this. They just seem not to be able to resist the advances of the Yoruba boys.

chino11:


Was it not the same Awolowa jailed for treason by great Zik..

Was it not the same Awoalowo who committed suicide for his devilish deeds..

I dey laugh..

Barbaric and backward tribe

I just love the way you insert the letter 'a' before, 'a' in the middle and 'a' in the great sage's name. It shows how much you rever him and how you consider him to be the first and the last. He is the first in everything that is progress, innovation, good governance and "ass" whooping the ajokutamamumis.

Joanna Sedley: can't believe you are a lady; inciting this type of hatred and bitterness in this section

Get over it and deal with your definition of a lady, already!

Austine.E:
Why do i ve this believe that most yorubas are insecured,at every mention of the genocidal Awolowo(whom i honestly think shld ve faced war-crime tribunal, even at death! ),they come ranting like castrated dogs!however long justice and truth is suppressed,it must some day come hurting the perpetrators!...the sand of history is filled with foot steps of noble Igbo men whom their actions and words will always remain indelible in Nigerian!

...and what the 'f' are you lot gonna do about the so-called revelation? Isn't it a shame that you lot have waited this long to ever address this issue and even more pathetic that you wait for your crippled uncle who clearly has lot his marbles and not to mention him being the greatest coward still existing. It is astounding how your ilk go around calling the ethnic group that brought your silly existence to its knees 'coward' when your stupid crippled uncle couldn't even muffle a word in the life and time of Awo the great. You lot are what we called 'eran iya' in Yoruba land because no matter how much you are beaten, you would always come back for more. You are all goats and should not described as humans but wild, unyielding animals. That is what you all are.

I keep saying to Yorubas to stop this 'omoluabi' bullshit and start inventing clever policies to oust you all out. I am glad that Fashola is gradually coming to that realisation. I think you are at the end of your tethers now. Not only will you lot be shish kebabed in the North but your day of reckoning is drawing closer in the west and that is a day I shall relish in.

gree-die:
perhaps but he came back a celebrated hero. U and ur Folks who reason with ur brains, wat have u to show for it? U r all cowards

bdw, haven't u heard dat he who fights and run live to fight another day?

...but he didn't fight another day. He walked with tail between his legs to collect his pension and even endorsed a man whom was partly responsible for annihilating his kinsmen for presidency. We all know that he didn't fight another day but died a vegetable.

CyberG: Come see ibos celebrating the very THING Chief Awolowo told the whole world and fought for before independence! The backstabber and saboteur ibo man Zik went behind Awolowo to make alliance with Ahmadu Bello calculating that by cheating Chief Awolowo, the iboz will be the beneficiaries after independence. The iboz new the Hausas were less educated and less interested in all these ambitious things they talked about: running railways systems, airport, ports, government parastatals, education, etc and they took advantage until the tides turned and then, they pretentiously went to kill the leaders of the Hausas. They story continues but I will do that on another thread.

The only reason ibos are celebrating here is because Atiku, clearly being disingenuous here, is massaging the empty ibo ego. And see, you folks are quoting him, bolding the statements like it is some new revelation. Meanwhile, you can never smell the position Atiku knows he will use you to obtain for himself and foster the same structure that encourages and preserves corruption in Nigeria. iboz never learn!

OPOLO!!

CHESSBOARD: [/b]

And you ran away from Nigeria to see what the skies look like in UK, mtscheeeew

...and you know this how?

well, the UK and its immigrants is actually a very good comparison. The ibos to other parts of Nigeria are nothing but economic migrants who believe that they can do no good or succeed until they get to Yorubaland.

Chimanet: am waiting for wen una go drag us comot lagos with envy and jealousy. lazy folks

...but of course, we know that is what makes you sleep at night. How else are you to console yourself after a thorough beat down and anihilation in war? Your self esteem has taken a real knocking to it, collectively as a people and making little money here and there out of junk and drug pushing is still money, afterall. If you believe that it is pride to build a mansion on sand which tides can come along and wash away at any time, then by all means, continue to dwell in your la-la land. A wise man builds on the rocks, darling.

hugafella: I have read all you guys have said, and it seems like Afghanistan in here. But lets be objective. First of all, the justification for the war is unquestionable. A pogrom of any kind must be resisted.Secondly, I would be better prepared in a war if you spelled it out right from the outset that you were my enemy. But when you suddenly become a turncoat and betray me right in the middle of things, it becomes rather painful. Awo, whether we like to hear it or not did not act like a fine gentleman. He remained on the fence and surprisingly aligned with our enemies to harm us. 2 million children starved to death, those kids were the future generation of engineers, lawyers, soldiers, or professors. They were not fighters. The Ojukwu I know would never have done that to the Yorubas. But the good news is that we have moved on. Afterall, I dare anyone to tell me any tribe that has more faith in the Nigeria project than the ibo man. This is self evident in his willingness to invest in and develop all nooks and crannies of the land. The questions we should be asking is this: who are the true patriots? Is it those who invest in all parts of Nigeria? Or those who would prefer to destroy Nigeria if they cannot rule? Put in another way, we can now see how far Awo's actions have brought us. Are we now more united in Nigeria?is Nigeria moving forward? Have the hausa not squandered our collective resources? Even though they contribute little? But some people seem to be comfortable in the face of injustice, while others confront it head on. The latter group should never be criticized for doing so. Because, it is because of such critics that Nigeria is where it is today. My final point- never be afraid of your past. No matter how ugly, They inform your future decisions. If you don't know where you are coming from, you can't know where you are going.

My foe, do not mistake greed, selfishness, self-centredness and necessity for patriotism. That the ibos are investing in other regions does not reveal their "patriotism" or belief in the Nigerian project. Their moving forth into other regions is borne out of the need to survive. They know that no right thinking Nigerian would come to their region and after their fruitless attempt at secession, the government had lost interest in planting anything in their land for lack of trust and their commitment to the Nigerian project. Ibos are traders and in order to succeed, they have to go to their markets and their markets are not in the east but in the west and the north. Ibos loathe Nigeria but loves its money and that is what you are mistaking for patriotism. An ibo man would do all within and without his means to earn money and that is why he is going about setting up in other regions to make the money by all mean; not because of some stupid belief in one Nigeria! To the iboman, it is all about the benjamins, baby!

felifeli: I wonder o. So I am supposed to keep feeding my battle opponent so that he can have more strength to fight me next day abi ? Apparently common sense is scarce in Igboland.

Scarce? I'm sure you meant to write NON-EXISTENT!!

Yeeparipa omodeyi balu je! O ti fi okoro tayin o.

Opolo ti poju, kilode!

Dende1, how are you gonna counter these points intelligently, this man is showing you up big time o. Let me get some orange juice and balance proper because this pro corruption guy just dey mesmerise me. Ogaju!

Prof Corruption: Let's start with your foolishness first.

1. Was the fiat of Ironsi to proclaim Nigeria a unitary state constitutional? Why did Gowon and co have to plan a coup? When the going was good for Igbo, it was constitutional but when it turned sour, it wasn't. Why do you select issues that favor you to discuss and completely ignore preceding events?

2.Your second point only reinforces why you are not bright. Your point support completely the assertion of Rossikk that why declare a war you were not prepared for? In the 60s, each region had consulates in many friendly nation. Read about Nigeria. To expose your intellectual laziness, why you admitted your region could not make such investment, why exactly did you need the support of France for? How did a region manage to get such support? If they had the support of France, why not other nations as Rossikk has opined?

3.May be you were there planning the war with them. Why writing on what you know little about? Gowon did not declare an outright war. He started with police action which was a child splay compared to real military action. In any case, are you not alluding to Ojukwu's foolishness. Why declare a war if you can't secure food for your region? Did he expect food to fall from sky during the war? Was he expecting his enemies to feed his army?

4. Your point 4 is too vague. Soldiers are trained to kill. They killed their targets during the war. If a civilian behaved like military target, you applied your bullet. Simple. If an earthworm walks like snake, it has to be killed like snake. Simple

5. So what did they bank on? They banked on nothing and got nothing. You are dishonest if not it doesn't take much to know Ojukwu declared Biafra at the point the region was not prepared for war. That's the same thing Awolowo did not do and all you folks called Yoruba cowards. There is no point leading your nation on a suicide spree.

@OP,

Thank you for being objective and using your logic. These issues are glaring for honest and sincere minds to grasp. It's not rocket science. Will Israel embark on a war where an arab nation is expected to supply food? Ojukwu was foolish for declaring a war that was lost from the word go. Simple as abc.

Bliss4Lyfe: Achebe lived through the Biafra War and knows very well wat he says. Can Awolowo's Duaghter say the same. Who cares if Awolowo's Daughter is disappointed or not? Her father is a War Criminal and Mass Murderer, dey should deal with dat.

dodosco, how do you know for sure that he is a war criminal and murderer? Did you live through the war too? Moraforker oshi!

Prof Corruption: When your clueless fathers were planning the war, were they planning to lose so they would come back for their savings? Efulefu
If you have prove that something belongs to you, you get it back. Simple as abc, it's not hard to get.

The leader of the rebellion Ojukwu got his savings back. His wives and children are fighting over his house in Ikoyi, Lagos as I type. So in addition to twenty pounds, some of you got your belongings back. What even happen to those who had nothing but nevertheless given twenty pounds? Ojukwu came back and collected pensions from the same military he fought against. He dined with the same generals shooting his people during the war. He even endorsed one of them for presidency in his later lonely years.

Shameless liars!

serious sense!

Andre Uweh: Did Prof Achebe just publish a book about Biafran war?. The answer is no.
What the Prof has done was to publish his personal account during the war. The prof will not be interested in writing a book of 10,000 pages and has just chosen to write about his personal encounters during the impasse. The prof was not in the middle belt during the war so he can not manufacture stories that did not personally involve him.
Has the prof lied?. No. As you said, the stories about the war is what you already know. So having known that Awo gave £20 to Ndigbo who had money in the bank regardless of how much they had in those custodies.
The prof has said the truth which all Nigerians already are aware of it.
Awo is just expoposed to the world. As the world will now search to know about him, they will also know that Awo was a candidate for war crimes at the Hague but escaped the hangman.
The truth is always bitterbut it must be told.

were asaba. Ngodigha, you don change mask?

Just as ojuiku led the ibos to a war which got millions of them killed, Achebe is in the process of repeating history.

I really hope this development heats up the Yorubas and for them to look around and wake up from their effing slumber! Enough of this stupid so called 'hospitality' we need to start cutting down some branches!!

Standing5: Prof Corruption, i must say i am very impressed with your presentation of facts on this thread so far. . . All verifiable claims that fits into indisputable history and that can stand the test of time . . . . Let 'em hater go cook up something new for their personalized consumption.

Indeed! I am staying up just to read from him.

oro kabiti, oro kanka!

Prof Corruption: Obasanjo became the president but why are you ignoring the events that made that happened? Did we shoot anybody to force Nigerians to concede the presidency to South West? Don't you see the power of wisdom that the two presidential candidates in 1998 presidential elections were from the West?
If not for OBJ scheming that put GEJ as a support on a sick president, would there be a SS presidency today? Do you think everything is all about empty boast, chest beating? It's strategy, it's policy, it's deep thinking.

When you guys were made Senate president, what happened? You kept back stabbing each other until it went around. The position has been in North central for almost eight years with unbelievable stability in the senate. Nigerians know you don't worth it. We had the presidency and we sent away the looters in our midst and in the process recreate another power base. When are you going to do that for your miserable region?

Even if you want to launch Igbo presidency project today, there is no serious platform for it. There are no gains for you guys. Your leaders lack strategic thinking! How are you benefiting from the mere fact that Igbo is deputy speaker or Finance Minister if no meaningful beneficial policy that can uplift your region is being implemented? We have gone beyond that stage of we want a speaker of Yoruba extraction.

Learn this little secret: if you don't control presidency in Nigeria, it's as good as nothing. GEj can sack all your over hyped Igbo today in his cabinet and heavens will not fall. I don't expect you to think deeply since you have been brainwashed already. We have built the platform that can be used to negotiate a good policy for our region. It's only a few strategic ones among you that would see that. Efulefu!

unclenna: topics like this should be closed: 1) https://www.nairaland.com/1067417/achebe-awolowo-he-gone-too.........2) https://www.nairaland.com/1067366/achebe-awo-interesting-comment-cyber .....And so many other ones that are too numerous to paste here.........We are one and letz live as that.....GOD BLESS NIGERIA.

No, your beret wearing crippled uncle is the one promoting tribal wars.

sheyguy: Landlocked yet Worst hit . . . Maybe they can start a seaport right away.

The same people wishing a tsunami on Lagos would not have a home to return to in the east afterall.

alj harem:

Yes ke! is it not our oil? Forget about the flood and casualties and protect our national interest at all cost.

Prof Corruption, I duff my hat to you.

On this thread alone, you have totally annihilated the ibos.

Totally enjoy reading your retorts. Splendid!

as long as the oil does not affect our oil o.

afam4eva: How i'm i being rude? What i said is my personal opinion which possesses a strong aversion to your assertion.

We all know what English has cost us as a nation. Yet we still want to put salt on top of an already inflicted injury. Is it not enough that some of our children can't master and even understand their own mother tongue due to people likeness for the English language. Don't you think it will become worse if Chinese is introduced?

I see no reason why Chinese should be taught anywhere. If it's about communication then we'll get an interpreter. Btw, hasn't China being doing business with non-Chinese speaking countries. How have they been managing?...

This okoro boy is making sense today. What da heck happened?

Oh well, a broken clock is at least right once a day.