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Nigerian politicians and governors are so used to stealing and leaving debt for the incumbents that it has become normal. So normal Tinubu thinks Obi saving money as Governor for the state is an anomaly and is attacking him for it.

Like "Why did you save money when the culture is to waste it?" The nerve!

"If it is" and "It certainly is" are two different phrases.
I predicted those of you Tinubuists who were relatively inactive or dormant all through yesterday when you had nothing to defend with would come out of the woodworks within minutes to latch on to Nihilist's sly comment. And you did!

From the debate being about why it's such a crime for many of you that a president should come from a particular extraction even if he has the best credentials and the least baggage to a concocted attempt at equaling Obi with Tinubu based on some.entitled agenda to govern 200 million people.

Just like that within 10 hours. I see it for what it really is. It remains for Oasis to quote it 70 times with "Mi o no so nkan'kan" with 6 billion emojis and the troupe is complete.

larride:
You cannot pick out words that interest you alone from a statement only while ignoring the rest of the word said that form the context.

Its important to note that Tinubu made this statement in Ogun state during APC primaries consultations.

Tinubu said he has always supported others and that it's his turn to be supported during the APC primaries. He clearly said its Yoruba turn to get the ticket and if we are talking about Yorubas it's his turn as the eldest among those running for APC ticket.

The point after all! Thank you for making my point!
For Tinubu, there's no "if", it's a certainty that it's the Yoruba's point. That was his rallying cry and why many kicked against it. The Yoruba lokan quip has been dissected a thousand times in the media and Tinubuists have admitted he said Yoruba lokan.

He said it in Ogun and at the Alaafin's palace in Oyo. Thank you.

larride:
You lie effortlessly. I think it's even safe to say yo6 dont even understand Yoruba and its context.

That you trying to use a statement made to his party members about it being his turn to be supported to mean the tribal card shows how disingenuous you are.

And yes Tinubu Lokan.

The joke is on you. I made this statement deliberately to forestall excuses like the one you just gave. Yoruba was my second language before I learnt my native Ibibio in my teens.

disstroyy:
I even did Yoruba in my JSCE and aced it.

Tinubu said on video "Yoruba lo kan" which is, it is Yoruba's turn and his entourage echoed yes, then he went on with, in Yorubaland, "Emi lokan". This isn't reported speech but what he said in an audiovisual.

monerozi5590:
Oh my Osinbajo. Delegates sold us out. I would have voted APC had it been Osinbajo won the primaries but sadly he lost.

Many Obi supporters were all rooting for Osinbajo. Obi isn't a tribal candidate but represents a disgruntle with the Establishment.
I can easily give you Facebook names of very high-profile APCists and Osinbajo supporters who switched support to Obi publicly. Many Yoruba themselves.
Very easy.

Tinubu is old, sickly, of questionable history... These muddy-waters never want to debate about that but focus on inanities.

DissTroy:
Predictably, the absentee Laride, Oasis, Recy and the others would appear to latch on to a seeming lifeline and muddy the waters while ignoring the questions about Tinubu's right to think:

-It's his turn and that's final;
- Or why he should still be on the ballot with a questionable educational and familial background;
- Or why he's still in the race with a drug- trafficking tag.

Watch them come out of the digital woodworks now to quote Nihilist's false representation of what Obi reportedly said all day to drown out every other argument.

I told you so! Less than 20 minutes and it's begun.

Unlimited22:
I no get energy to argue with you this morning.
I shaa know how Nairaland works.

Agenda >>> facts.

And that's the reason why these folks get it over you lot. They take a statement, form a question out of it then answer it for you. Hoping to drown you out with a barrage of quotes filled with humorous one-liners and they tire you out, coasting away with a perspective victory since you gassed out.

This is how online debates are played and shaped. ...Not when I am ready to match it quote for quote and tactics for tactics.

Predictably, the absentee Laride, Oasis, Recy and the others would appear to latch on to a seeming lifeline and muddy the waters while ignoring the questions about Tinubu's right to think:

-It's his turn and that's final;
- Or why he should still be on the ballot with a questionable educational and familial background;
- Or why he's still in the race with a drug- trafficking tag.

Watch them come out of the digital woodworks now to quote Nihilist's false representation of what Obi reportedly said all day to drown out every other argument.

nihilistjnr:
Obi believes its the Igbo's turn, and more specifically his turn

That's not different to Emilokan.

There's no amount of speech renovation that can change that.

If Obi didn't believe it was his turn, he would not have made that statement. Simple.

That's a lie. The thread is still fresh on front page.
Copy and paste it here with the bolded sections just as it is there.

He said "IF [not is is, mind you] it were turn by turn, as an Igbo man it is my turn [not in Igbo land it is my turn but if it is then it should be Igbos], but I am not running as an Igbo candidate but a Nigerian .

You were looking for an opportunity to give a soft landing to your buddy Raum's outing as an unhinged tribalist (not just one responding to personal insults to his tribe) so you evaded until you got a seeming opening this morning. It won't fly.
Obi said he's running as a Nigerian, not as an Igbo man.

nihilistjnr:
Have you see the front page this morning?

nihilistjnr:
"If the President is to be given by whose turn it is, as an Igbo it’s my turn" - Peter Obi

Atiku lo kan probably pending...

The fiction that this isn't a tribal election is unravelling in front of the wilfully blind.

You are being mischievous.

“If the President is to be given by whose turn it is, as an Igbo it’s my turn [b] but I am in the race as a Nigerian wishing to be hired based on my track record, competence and capacity. ” [/b]
https://www.nairaland.com/7517750/peter-obi-presidency-turn-it

If it is by turn, the South East should have it as every other region has had it. But it is not by turn because he is in the race as a Nigerian and his tribe doesn't matter. And he's right. Tribe shouldn't matter. We need a Nigerian president.


Now compare that to Tinubu on live video saying it's the Yoruba's turn and that's final. And doubling down on it.

Or during a presidential/APC rally in Lagos where the Deputy Governor of Lagos endorsed Tinubu and asked Peter Obi to go back to Anambra and leave Lagos.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2qrJ0N1kfk

Theflint1:
Why can't Tinubu play a tribal game though? .

Tinubu has and is playing a tribal card. He's the only one of the candidates who campaigned with a tribal card during the primaries. He said "Yoruba lokan" and narrowed it down to in Yorubaland, "Emi lokan". He used it as a rallying cry, even at the Alaafin's Place. Verify this. He said same in Ogun State. That's the period he also called the Ogun Governor " Eleyi".

Google or local-search " Yoruba lokan" on Twitter and Facebook. All the proponents are Tinubuists.
Most of us don't care where the president is from. Most of the educated ones at least. I do not believe in South East, South South, Yoruba or Northern presidency. It just so happens that the best person for the job is Peter Obi who's from the South East.
If Osinbajo were on the ballot like Obi, there'd be no need to rally with tribal sentiments like Tinubu is doing because he's sellable.

Emaprince:
We really don't care bro...and you don't have to lie to look different. Brymo ranted on twitter and it won't change anything.

We know you are lieing..but continue.

Don't waste your time. It has nothing to do with Obi. It's about Obi's tribe. For the likes of Laride and Oasis, it's just support for Tinubu and the APC.
For Raum, it's seething hatred for anyone of Igbo extraction to be president. He has no problem with any other person being GCFR, as long as it's not an Igbo person. Even if Jesus came down to earth to contest as Jesusdinma, he'd rather vote the Devil.

He has stated his repulsion to a president of Igbo extraction several times. I have quoted same of him countless times and even yesterday here. He's even boasted that any form of complaint by the South East about poor representation at the center should be met with military force quashing them.

I don't care that he and DonJazet have a running war but I stopped taking his comments against Obi at face value when I got prompted to dig into him.

Unlike others, he doesn't just troll or respond to tribal trolls, he initiates hateful tribal diatribes, even bordering on genocide a few times. None of the other Tinubuists here has been that hateful, save for Amoto 5 years ago.And Amoto's seems like a one-off.

For Raum, it's been an every week thing for 17 years. He won't dare accuse me of settling old scores with him because we barely have any interactive history. That's why he never responds when I expose him. He wouldn't.

2006 to 2023 of wishing a tribe the worst fate possible every week even when it's not election season isn't a phase - it's who he is.

ShaqFu:
Kay ma main man. You're really having fun oh.

Joe! Joe!

You're a jolly fellow anyway. You just have a penchant for justifying what shouldn't be, even when it defies logic in sociopolitics.

But relatively rational and more open-minded when it's a religious discourse.

Ebukacute:
Please in which of the SE states is mama mutiu's burukutu bar located sir?

In Lagos. The truth? Shaqfu doesn't really like beer. He prefers ogogoro . Mama Mutiu is his plug; plus he goes there to feel the pulse of the city by arguing with okada riders by 4:30AM.
Ogogoro and roots of any kind. By the time he replies your comment by 6:00AM, he's far gone. Think WizKid's "Manya".

When he's sober, he could be logical. Problem is, one can't exactly predict what time of the day he'd be sober.

ShaqFu:
Though I'm more curious why Peter Obi didn't tar the road leading to Obi Cubana mother's village when he was governor. Come to think of it, even Willie Obiano didn't tar it. Hmm. Let's pray Otem will lead Soludo to do the needful.

Like that's thw first untarred VILLAGE road in Nigeria.
Anyone who knew you from back then till now knows you pester with needless and baseless questions, and argue only for the sake of it. You never seek to make sense or arrive at a logical conclusion. Just round and round.

Lézz, Créamish, Mîmzzy and others can confirm this. That's why the only time I respond to you during and argument is ONLY to point out your hypocrisy. But seek to have any sort of logical debate with you? Waste of of time.
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By the way, have you stopped getting drunk at Mama Mutiu's shop and staggering into gutters by 11PM?

izzou:
[color=royalblue]When Diss.troy drags you, i used to think it was because of an old beef. But now, i understand better.

Hero is a shitty beer and has no ad in the SE because Shaqfu said so.

I hope this helps you sleep soundly tonight.

Chai [/color]

Remember the APC stalwart on Twitter who claimed Innosson Vehicles supplied substandard vehicles to his father just to spite Obi who is credited for boosting Innoson Vehicles? Dude deactivated and has left social media since then since he couldn't prove anything.

Shaqfu has never tasted those beer brands he mentioned. All you have to do is local-search his Joe moniker to the Ashawo thread and you'd realise he has claimed he drinks only certain brands of beer.
Never mentioned the Life and Hero beers he's claiming he drinks now.

He'd kill any brand even remotely associated with Obi to spite him.

The only reason he hasn't claim Odogwu Bitters owned by Obi Cubana is poisonous is because Cubana hasn't openly campaigned for Obi and is rumoured to support Tinubu.

Roland17:
This is one of the biggest issue I am having with some of you and your positions on this thread.

Is this about Igbo presidency, a candidate from Igbo extraction or Obi the person/ candidate, irrespective of his extraction?

Because it is beginning to read like [b] some of you genuinely dislike the idea of a potential Igbo president and are just hiding behind your disapproval for Obi, which I really don’t care about.

Still reading and taking notes.. For all I care, I could be wrong and desperately hope I am wrong!

Look no further. DissTróy has got you covered.

raumdeuter:
No worry North and Yoruba would be alternating it between ourselves. Give your votes to yourselves

Buhari 8yrs hand over Osinbajo 8yrs hand over to Tambuwal 8yrs hand over to Fashola 8yrs, who hands over to El Rufai 8 yrs

ANy noise from the East would be met with severe military action

Your guess is as good as mine.

joseph1832:
let me ask you, what does a seventy something year old man has to offer, Buhari just said that he will context the 2015 presidential election
. I for one find this unacceptable, are they now telling us that Nigeria can not produce a youth leader who will pilot the affairs of this country?.

Our political terrain is dominated by people who have been in government for far too long, I believe its time we start seeing new faces...

Shaqfu, the irony that you ended up voting that old Buhari twice in his 70's. And you're campaigning for Tinubu a sickly cognitively-impaired man, who's even older to be President. The irony!

ShaqFu:
the post says "suspected herdsmen". Key word here is suspect bro.

Joes, where is your conscience?
This was still you criticising Jonathan and attacking anyone who made any excuse for him. But you've been making excuses for Buhari.

joseph1832:
Don't mind Bog12! Indeed if his sister had been among the kidnapped girls who won't be saying this.

I've noticed a common trend among we Nigerians: as long as something doesn't affect us or our relative we don't seen to care. We sit back and believe everything is okay.

I will say it and continue to say it, evil must never be left unchecked, neither should it be condone or ignored, for evil left alone blossoms like a flower.

Joe, stop lying. You don't spend your Christmas and New Year in the South East. You spend them in Lagos and the Middle Belt where you worked for a number of years. And in beer parlours drinking with one of your legs on the table.
You and I know this. Stop lying.

ShaqFu:
there's nothing to be ashamed for. I still blame Jonathan. The Chibok girls were kidnapped by Boko Haram, a terrorist group.

Tell me, did Boko Haram make any random demands before the girls will be released?

There's a big difference, don't confuse it.

The group responsible for the Edo train attacks and kidnap this week are Fulani Herdsmen. https://www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2023/01/08/suspected-herdsmen-attack-train-station-kidnap-passengers-in-edo/

Fulani Herdsmen have been listed by the CIA in the top 4 most dangerous terror groups in the world.

Shameless hypocrite!

ShaqFu:
so [b] Buhari is the chief security officer of Edo state?

What stops the governor from taking the Fayose route, when he employed the hunters in his state and armed them with guns when Fulani herdsmen was unleashing mayhem in Nigeria.

when the state governor is still collecting security vote money.

This was you in 2015 blaming Jonathan for Chibok girls kidnapping but never blaming the state governor.

Now you want us to blame Obaseki for not securing a federal organisation while absolving Buhari?

joseph1832:
She and her disappointment can wait for a while. The Chibok girls are already the fault of GEJ because he wasted more than enough time denying that the girls were ctually kidnapped!.

Why transfer the burden of GEJ failures to GMB!. In time, I trust the general may just surprise us all. So Helen, your disappointment can wait!.

Shameless hypocrite!

ShaqFu:
Link please.

Nonsense! Anybody can googke those keywords to get the links and that's why I added dates so they don't mistake them but you will always find outlets to evade when you are caught.

Always muddying the waters in arguments, hoping to tire the other person out by asking baseless questions while evading answers.

Would you deactivate your account if I provide links to each of them?
Answer this and you'd get links. I opened all the pages down because I preempted you.

ShaqFu:
Oh please. Don't twist this, aside the Endsars protest, which other riots or killings or mayhem happened in Lagos?

.

In 2021 ans 2022 alone ? Several!
Riots in Lagos since EndSARS.

March 21, 2021

Muslims riot over blasphemy in Mile 12. Many injured. Properties torched and destroyed.

April, 2021

Hausa - Yoruba riot. Between Hausa-Falani and MC Oluomo's boys (who is a Tinubu henchman and controls all thugs for Tinubu).

October 2021

3 shot dead as NURTW/ MC Oluomo clash in Lagos.

September 2022

NURTW/ Agberos riot

October 2022
Alaba Riot which was an intertribal riot of Tinubu's Agberos targeting traders.

January 2023

Yoruba Nation separatists and OPC riot. 2 dead, many injured. Clash still ongoing.

If you want 3 news website links for each riot and mayhem, I'd hive you. Bit for doubting me, you'd have to deactivate your account first.

ShaqFu:
so Buhari is the chief security officer of Edo state?

My statw governor is at inept as Jonathan Good luck when he was president. I still marvel at how you readily believe Buhari should be held responsible for the kidnapping that happened in the state, when the state governor is still collecting security vote money.

Complete nonsense! Was Jonathan the state governor of Borno when Chibok girls were kidnapped? You didn't blame the state governor then but blamed Jonathan.

You want me to dig up your comments over the years blaming Jonathan for Chibok but not blaming the state governor who incidentally is now the APC VP candidate?

Now you want us to blame Obaseki and exempt Buhari?
Truly Tinubuists/Buharists are brainless!

ShaqFu:
Oh please. Don't twist this, aside the Endsars protest, which other riots or killings or mayhem happened in Lagos?

Come to think of it, do you have irrefutable evidence of Tinubu's involvement in the Endsars killings. (If at all there's any).

You should even be more concerned why your Peter Obi have never come out to lampoon IPoB and Autopiloters.

You should be more concerned terrorists bombed the train station in your home state of Edo this week, killed 24 persons and kidnapped many more, including the station manager all happening under the Buhari administration you support and whose legacy Tinubu your candidate has vowed to continue.

But you've not uttered or posted a word about it, played blind, and you're more focused on Peter Obi who left office 9 years ago before Buhari and hasn't been in or been involved in governance since then.

Get your priorities right! Your candidate wants to continue Buhari's legacy of wanton killings, unrest and a weak economy. You have to moral right to question anyone.

November 4, 2022.

raumdeuter:
Obi should be held responsible for the state of Anambra State that he spent 8yrs as governor

There is insecurity all over Nigeria but it's in Obi state where they are declaring public holiday which the coward rat voice abides to. He probably drafted the policy for IPOB sef given his romance with the terror group

OasisX, you lot want to blame Obi for Anambra's shortcominhs 9 years after leaving office but want to exempt Tinubu from the rot, killings and mayhem in Lagos. Or EndSARS massacre?

Keep the same hateful energy. Don't change now!

OasisX:
It won't cost you more than 10mb to search Internet for the true picture of what happened at Ọjọ́tá.

How Yoruba Nation Agitators turn to Tinubu Agberos? When we say no one spread fake news, propaganda more here than Obidients, it seems like an Agenda whereas it's the truth.

Yoruba Nation agitators are not Tinubu's agberos but you lot have linked Obi to IPOB a thousand times and over ob this thread. Make it make sense.
All on has to do is local-search "Obi IPOB" on this thread and in this Subsection.

Tinubu has also been recorded saying he doesn't believe in One Nigeria. This part can't be disputed.

If not that I insistently exposed Amoto94's routine whenever he's under the spotlight for murderous fanaticism, like clockwork, he'd have copied and pasted a snake-skin-dehyding job in Zamfara this morning and act like all is well. Completely ignoring the genocide he fantasizes about.

Or posted some random transfer news out of the blues on the Chelsea thread immediately.

Tataffo:
So person wey wan may dem gas a particular tribe sef dey among impartial Judge
...wahala! Wahala!! Wahala!!!

Wat... Amoto94 isn't just a murderous religious fanatic but a genocide-monger?

Amoto94:
When I become president I will gas potor republic to prevent nonentity like u from being born

So he's Shekau-lite and Afro-Nazi?