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fulanimafia:
Agriculture, of which leather alone forms 40% of, trade and services.

http://www.nigerianstat.gov.ng/pages/download/281

You gave me a link thinking I am a fool lol? Where does it say 40% comes from leather? Gosh, I thought you were better than this.

fulanimafia:
@ bolded You were the one that berated emotional babble over raw stats. Don't be lazy, back up your claim.

For some reason, you also imagine Northerners do not reside abroad and generate revenue. I'm typing this from my flat in England and I know the volume of transactions I make with Nigerian banks weekly.

Which stats have you presented so far to back up your claim?

fulanimafia:
Lol.

Lagos' economic contribution which makes up over 90% of those figures for the SW, is the product of the contributions of all Nigerians including to a very significant extent, northerners. Two of Forbes billionaires are northerners doing business and generating revenue for Lagos.

Gosh, generating revenues for lagos you said? Where does there taxes go?
You are talking like dangote isn't one of the biggest beneficiaries of the corrupt system ( favourable laws that encourages monopoly). Dangote and northerners contribution to Nigeria is a fraction of what southerners contribute to Nigeria. The money Nigerians abroad contribute to Nigerian is well in excess of $25billion yearly, more than 90% of which are from southerners. Does any of your states men generate anything close to that amount?
We can go back and forth on stats.

fulanimafia:
1. Anything per capita is denominated/based on population, so a less populate south is bound to have higher figure than the North as resources are not spread as thinly.
2. The southern contribution to the national purse is majorly in the form of oil revenue, which is a natural resource, and is not a reflection of your economic state.

Don't get it twisted.

Give this link a read. http://m.thenigerianvoice.com/news/172621/1/to-the-people-of-the-southwest-the-third-largest-e.html

fulanimafia:
1. Anything per capita is based on population, so a less populate south is bound to have higher figure than the North as resources are not spread as thinly.
2. The southern contribution to the national purse is majorly in the form of oil revenue, which is a natural resource, and is not a reflection of your economic state.

Don't get it twisted.

Where does the next non oil revenue comes from? How about we deal with data and not emotions.

Attention seeker. The publicity is Mission accomplished

fulanimafia:
You need exposure like a fish needs water.

Are you seriously telling me that the population figures doesn't raise your eye brow? Be honest.

Based on my observations, there are more cities around the world with huge populations situated on the coasts than there are cities in the desert and rapidly choking hinterlands. The cities of Barcelona, Malaga, Valencia, London, Glasgow, Liverpool, Amsterdam, Rotterdam, Stockholm, Oslo, Petersburg, Sydney, Brisbane, Melbourne, Perth, Auckland, Christchurch and several other coastal cities that dot New Zealand , Vancouver, Victoria, New York, Washington, DC, Boston, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Miami, Chicago, Toronto, Seattle and several other coastal cities in North America.
People congregate heavily in areas where there are resources and opportunities and not in areas where there is a dearth of virtually everything, where hunger, poverty, the lack of water and rain and where there is no work. Except of course, laziness is also a reason that account for human congregation and habitation, which would be unusual. There are just too many inconsistencies in Nigeria and this is one ambiguity that has its roots in wealth, economic and resource allocation.

According to Google maps, the coastal land in Nigeria is made up of 853 Kilometers. The arid north is about 35% of the land with rapid desertification with no end in sight. The coastal region of 853 kilometers has been attracting and will continue to attract large population and drifts for decades to come, which will result in even higher population and density. The continued and unabated desertification signals rapid moves and relocation by people who can no longer sustain themselves nor find any means of survival. But sadly this has not affected population in the Northern part of Nigeria; rather there has been a steady rise in the population of the North. It is reported that the North (Hausa, Fulani and Kanuri) make up 33% of Nigeria's population while the South West (Yoruba) accounts for 21%, the East (Igbo) is 18%, the South-South (Ijaw and Ibibio) is 13.5% and the Plateau Region (Tivs) is 2.5%. There is no doubt these figures are inaccurate and deliberately misrepresented for economic, political and revenue reasons. It is uniquely Nigerian that the nation's population increases from hundred of thousands to millions as you travel up-north to the desert from the coastal and forest region, an award winning master stroke that leaves everyone twitching and nodding.
With the North gifted and allocated 33% of the nation's population, it becomes easy to then allot an equally dignified 15 states to it and make the Caliphate happy. The oil rich and coastal region only got Rivers, Cross River, Akwa-Ibom, Bayelsa, and Delta, a total of 5 states, all because they do not have political power. In Nigeria nothing is shared right and done based on facts and correctness; it has to be narrowed down to bread and butter and what powerful individuals stand to benefit and their political expediency/survival a la Oloye Olusola Saraki, the Turaki of Ilorin. But strangely when you compare Kano State (11,500,000) and Oyo State (10,400,000) using 1987 population estimates, you begin to see the cattle-heads figures when you realize that Oyo recorded primary school enrolment of 2,070,362 and 1,982,525 in 1983-84 and 1984-85 school years to Kano State's 752,278 and 762,593 during the same period.

You can read up more on the primary school enrolment in- Nigeria: Current Issues and Historical background
By Martin P. Mathews. I sourced those from Google books.

fulanimafia:
Miss, the same statistics of northern population which you disagree with, are the same numbers used to measure her income per capita...

So you don't agree northerners are more in number, but agree that they are poorer statistically when their huge population is the basis for the comparatively lower income per capita?

Can you see how ethnic bias can blur clear reasoning ? Darling you know nothing about the spending power of northerners.

In mathematical terms the gdp per capita of the southern states is so much bigger than the northern states. So effectively, the real population (northerners) might give a higher gdp but it will still fall well short.
All you need to verify this data is to look at the region with the most contribution to the national purse. You can't fight data.

iyb:
Spending Power don't you know that northerners are the richest in Nigeria like i said local champion

Per capita? Again I can see the effects of poor education in your reasoning. Dangote and a couple of more political thieves doesn't make the whole north rich.
I hope you are not the typical 'best', the north has to offer this country. Anyways, I am sure the northerners are great people apart from their elites.

iyb:
Sorry darling you are nothing but a local champion travel around go to the north and see for yourself don't come here arguing about what they say in the books. Southerners think because they can speak English they are educated forgetting the fact that English is like a native language to them going by that analogy we have a lot of educated people in Arabic. Cheating is rife In your part with fake certificates rampant but you don't see that cos your eyes are blind.

Again, I don't need to go to the north. Saying Northern Nigeria is as educated as the south is like saying Nigeria has similar literate percentage as Britain or USA.
It's funny how you are so quick to call me local champion lmao . What's next, Northerners have as much spending power as the southerners?

Thank goodness for middle belts who have continued to drag you up in social, welfafe, education statistics. You core northerners owe them

coolitempa:
Haaaaaaaa....now I get your point but you sure took a while getting there. Wow...do our politicians in the south not know this...how was this ever passed into the system? What is the criteria/basis on which LGAs are created? Is it based on land size or population? What is the revenue sharing formula? What is the established international best practice?

Honestly, I really don't know what's going on in Nigeria. Perhaps someone can throw more light into this madness. Lol.
Every attempts to ignore what's going on in Nigeria has proven futile instead I keep digging and getting deeper.

For the citizen's sake, I do hope sense would prevail and everyone works towards the collective development of the country.

iyb:
Who says you are more educated than the northerners go to the north and see for yourself.

One thing I hate is when people argue against well documented facts. I don't need to step in the Northern region to know it isn't as educated as the southern region. All evidence points to such.
No matter how much funds you lots get you will still remain backward with the current structures your political elites continue to maintain.

coolitempa:
Perhaps if you had taken out a little time out in your first post on this thread to flesh out your points, then perhaps my 'comprehension' would have been better appreciative of the thrust of your post. Having said that sha, neither you nor I has any proof on population of the north vis a vis the south other than the officially known figures and I would rather not indulge in childish fantasies which have no basis in reality.

Unlike you, I do not know Bernie personally and do not have any such inside info on him but I do admire his guts and sheer audacity. Like I once told you ....I think last year....I am just a fan who enjoys travelling and watching F1 live. I go check out the book when I get chance o.

Lagos state 17.5 million-20 LGA, Northeastern state 17.6 million-100ish LGA stood out like a thumb. I do respect your opinion but I am surprised those figures wasn't a concern.

tpiah01:

Read the comment above to get my perspective.

What's the point? This to me is a mere excuse to exercise while gaining political points. Until Arase arrest the Fulani herdsmen allegedly roaming agatu then I refuse to take him seriously.

coolitempa:
Paranoia does have a medical solution, you know What is oppressive in that drawn up map or do you just talk simply to be seemingly relevant....By the way, good old Bernie has continually delivered a growing F1, year on year with an ever captive audience and yet, you make absurd claims with verification.

Probably math or comprehension isn't your strongest point.
Then again how can I debate with the citizens who thinks Kano is more populated than Lagos.

Nigeria is the only nation in the world where the population in the desert region far outstrips the population in the coastal area. Stranger than fiction, the population density in the Northern Region is so huge there are more people in the cities of Kano, Kaduna, Maiduguri, Sokoto, Zaria, Katsina, Minna than there are in Lagos, Ibadan, Benin, Warri, Sapele, Enugu, Onitsha, Asaba and Calabar! Let that sink in.

The revenue allocation formula in Nigeria is tilted heavily in favour of population rather than contribution; it confers advantage to number rather than to input, it is the population of a state, its number that enables it to corner a larger share of the nation's resources. The same population determines the number of local government a state can have, rather than the volume of economic activities, the industrial growth, the socio-economic growth of that state. Nigeria just defy every logic, every rational logic that has served and continue to serve mankind and provide basis for growth, development and advancement has been reversed and made to look inadequate in Nigeria by the nation's special and unique approach to things, strange way of doing things and uncouth resolve to cut corners, to cheat others, to serve self and to deny others what rightfully belonged to them.
In view of all these, If the whole North East with allegedly equal population as Lagos can have that much more local governmen than Lagos then we have a serious problem.
I have been to many many countries, experienced and learned different cultures and their history, and I have never seen a situation as ridiculous as the ones you have in Nigeria.

Regarding Bernie, please leave F1 out of this as I do have insider info about Bernie and his tricks.
Anyways, give 'Bernie Ecclestone - King of Sport' a good read to know a little bit about the man.

DauraDullard0:
Check your email

Nl isn't linked to my mail deliberately, plus I don't do mails lol. Too many lessonsss. Good night.

I refuse to give in to propanganda but if the map is true then it is no wonder Nigeria is not progressing. How did the Northerners manage to pull this feat of oppression off? The Northerners reminds me of bernie Ecclestone who has been ruling F1 through divide, brainwashing and conquer. How the supposedly more educated southerners can fall for this is beyond me. The rumours about the northerners being over represented in the government seems to holds more weight than initially thought.

There is no way the northerners will let off this grip on Nigeria without another War. A citizens deserves her leaders, and I have been maintaining that the southern citizens need to stone their leaders to demand more for them.

DauraDullard0:
You no dey sleep?

Not sleeping time yet lol.

FSU:
Correct. States with those hilly California/Utah/Nevada like scenarios include Ekiti, Ondo, Abia, Enugu, Cross River, and some northern states (eastern flank)

In the case of Ekiti, that quality is not shown in these photos though.

Gosh, Africa is so blessed. The thought of what Nigeria could've been is haunting... Then again, when you throw in that sense of being in a place that hasn't changed for centuries and sometimes millennia, and you get some of the most inspiring, and inspired, spots on the planet. I am not sure whether the static change is a good or bad thing but it surely was a raw experience.

I have been to quite a places in Nigeria and out of the those states I must say Ekiti alongside Ondo stood out for me. The scenery and landscape is unriavalled in my opinion. Some of the places reminds me of carlifornia in terms of landscape (hills, beautiful trees etc.). How ironic that it is one of the most undevelop in Nigeria?

Ondo has it all in my opinion, from nice beaches to mountains to clear blue skies with panoramic textures. If I had a magic wand I would just copy and paste some parts of prague, San fransico, Paris, Venice buildings, road etc and then mix with some progressive African Architectures.

NOETHNICITY:
See how hypocritical christian wolves will invade this thread now!Muslims ve been giving u pple high blood pressure sincce the time of Saul! Christian fanatics make una see una food! Oya

Don't you think it is wrong for anyone to impose their religion on others? Muslims are tiny minority in the Western countries yet they are allowed to express their minds and do whatever they like. Why should it be different in the north?
Some of my Muslim friends don't support this madness.

calliope:
Those this help or improve the life of the common man?
Lubbish!!!

Sometimes you need to think before you type or perhaps read the topic. Who do you think benefits from his job creation?

These guys have nothing to offer Nigeria. Nigeria need fresh blood, her own Mao Zedong.

I'll rather they invest the money. Nigerians are short sighted anyways, so this more or less secure Apc for the next elections.

AZeD1:
Nobody is offering any rebuttal because people like the OP are the reason why the country is the way it is.

How does his personality/reputation detract from the real issues? Are his point valid or not because if it is then I would rather it is the main point of discussion.
Going by your logic, most Nigerians (probably you) aren't qualified to discuss Nigeria issues.

It's unfortunate to see many people abusing the Op without offering a rebuttal. These are strong valid points and the response from the usual suspects and majority of the posters are bewildering. Play the game and not the man seems so lost in many people here.
Isn't the recent disregard for orders by these administration a cause for concern? Regardless of the intention I must add.

Nigeria is definitely on a long downward spiral and I would advise any intelligent fellow to get out before it sinks.

The best way to determine the future of the country is to look at the attitude of her citizens. In this case, based on what I am seeing, Nigeria won't get better any time soon.

SleekMallam:
bump and grind

Is it 2019 yet? Some of his leadership and actions has been questionable and bizarre but I wouldn't write him off just yet.

Damn

To call the Nigeria's biggest Pig-farm in Kano an irony, has to be a masterpiece of understatement.

prospero5:
beautiful fence. I can't build a beautiful house only to use some tall wall fence to cover it. The beauty of my house is supposed to be seen. I love the pillar and iron fencing. The gate is beautiful.

I agree. The fence really compliments the palace. This reminds me of Buckingham palace.

playtheblues:
Who funded the building of that lovely palace?

The last time I checked Osun State collected N6m as their revenue allocation.


Super beautiful palace by the way.

Yoruba race doesn't start and stop in Osun you know? In my opinion Ooni is the most important and most 'powerful' King in Africa. There is a reason he was called the black Pope by the Europeans (Samuel Johnson, History of Yorubas).
In view of his importance couple with the wealth of the Yorubas, I am sure they can easily generate enough funds to build something more expensive.



Edit: for those who are more likely to mention Alaafin of Oyo. The original concept of power, the sacred is more critical than the profane IMO. In terms of sacredness of Yoruba culture, the spiritual heart of Yoruba culture, the religion of Yoruba culture which permeates the kingship institution, Ooni remains the foremost, which essentially makes him the high priest of yoruba community