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I hope nigerians are aware that many of the pro-tinubu accounts here are paid agents and not casual users like you and I?

These people are a coordinated propaganda group paid to try and shape and manipulate public opinions.
Look at the "likes" on their posts, you see how it majorly corresponds with the likes on the "pro obi" posts. If on any topic, a pro obi commenter makes a post and it gets 20 likes, you see that the pro-apc posts will get that very same range. 15-25 likes.
Please more people should speak up about this seeing as Seun is not tackling this adequately.

Don't let yourself be manipulated.

Oasis003:


......make I go arrange Buckets and Drums. This thread go need am in few hours time.

Of course, supporters of evil.

Oasis, i asked you to this before and you cowardly ran.

. Do you believe that rigging took place in the last general elections? And do you believe that the number INEC declared for Tinubu 8.74 million is an accurate figure and reflects the amount of Nigerians that voted for him?

Nigerians protested, the Nigerian government chased them away, the youths decided to form a new political block and protest at the ballot. You rigged the entire process and announced an illegitimate result, announcing results that were not yet on the results portal (which was supposed to be live) and the ones that had clearly been mutilated and tampered with. After this brazen illegality, you told them to go to court, that the judiciary will be just and will do the right thing. A judiciary known for being highly corrupt and susceptible to the whims and caprices of the corrupt political class.

A judiciary compromised of nepotistic appointments.
Any nigerian here who speaks against the rights of fellow nigerians to peacefully protest after this blatant injustice habors evil in his heart.

BlueRayDick:
The more I read this book , I just can’t help but shake my head at the fact that our present leaders (who are mostly elderly people who lived through those times ) did not learn much from history with the way they handle things in present day Nigeria 🤦‍♂️

Nahh, I really need to lay hands on this book. It's too rich in information.

But do you have a firm belief that these information are totally factual and unbiased?

These are the Citizens of Niger protesting at the embassy of France for them to leave their country.

Right to protest is a fundamental human right that cannot be prohibited in a democracy.

OkpaNsukkaisBae:
They are still producing most of the food stuff we consume down South

Nahh. Not at the level of was then and secondly, not the main produces, Just basically beef, tomatoes, pepper. Main staples like yam, cassave, rice, beans are mostly in the south.

OkpaNsukkaisBae:
See confusion.

What do you mean?

The judiciary wants to set this country on fire!
They better know what they're doing.

Yesterday a fool here blinded by tribal sentiments said, "if an exam is held for 100 people and 8 percent cheated, will the exam be cancelled"? Thus extremely minimising the gross level of widespread rigging, intimidation and results manipulation that took place just few months ago.

A more accurate example of that analogy used is to ask, "if an exam is held for 100 people and it is discovered that more than 70 percent of the students have colluded with the exam body and already have access to the answer sheet even before the exam has taken place, will people want that kind of result to stand??

We're saying that even in states declared for Obi , his numbers were drastically cut. Talk of Delta where the largest local government results were entirely cancelled because of rigging. Or in imo state where uzodinma manufactured results giving bat rigged 25%, Ebonyi nko with umahi, Edo State? Lagos State? These are the ones declared for Obi oo. Not to talk of the ones where he was outrightly rigged and declared for someone else, Benue, akwaibom and the rest.

Is there any bat supporter who would say the election were not rigged?? NO! What they're now arguing is the degree of the rigging. And these same people are saying we should conduct the injustice.

BlueRayDick:
Gbam!

If u notice he refrenced Obsanjo's cable interview where Obasanjo made bold to say the present form of democracy we are practising in Africa is not "Domocracying" and he(Fayemi) agreed with Obj. The cable interviewer was calling different countries and their democracies and Obj kept on insisting "dem just dey play"(Including Ghana)

You know we've had this discussion in the past. Until we come together as a people to determine what system actually works for us, this current system of winner takes all that only favours the few he spoke about will always be an issue.

PS: Before anybody start goading me asking me what alternative system of government am I suggesting ; Note I'm not a political scientist and do not have any system in mind for now but I know the current system is not working

Maybe regional government like in the 60's all under the umbrella of a federal parliamentary system.

I think this will help all regions develop at their own pace without anyone dragging down the other.
The problem was that this was before the discovery of oil in nigeria, so will the north allow anything of the sort seeing how unproductive their region has become?

Without oil then, the north were highly productive agriculture wise. The west was the centre of commerce and administration. The south east exported palm oil and timber to our colonial powers and the riverine areas practiced high level fishery at a productive export level, an industry now nonexistent due to pollution of the land via oil.

That system has proven in hindsight to be the only one that actually benefitted nigeria greatly. I don't know if it will work today.

izzou:
[color=royalblue]I also liked his opinion about Winner taking all, even though i know it is politics too.

Tinubu's tenure would meet more than enough resistance because 65% of voting population do not want him, and the same goes for the rest too.

Conduct the election 500 times, and Tinubu cannot win the SS/SE, and Obi cannot win the North. So of what good will it be to force any winner on the rest?[/color]

Indeed, that was a very surprising take by a key APC member. I'm intrigued by the idea or how it will work.

This is what he proposes;

Fayemi said, “Today, I read former President Olusegun Obasanjo’s interview in The Cable saying our liberal democracy is not working and we need to revisit it, and I agree with him. We must move from the political alternatives. I think we are almost on a dead end of that.

“What we need is alternative politics and my own notion of alternative politics is that you can’t have 35 per cent of the vote and take 100 per cent. It won’t work! We must look at proportional representation so that the party that is said to have won 21 per cent of the votes will have 21 per cent of the government. Adversary politics bring division and enmity.

“All political parties in the country agreed and they even put in their manifesto that subsidy must be removed. We all said subsidy must be removed. But we in ACN at the time, in 2012, we know the truth Sir, but it is all politics.

“That is why we must ensure that everybody is a crucial stakeholder by stopping all these. Let the manifesto of PDP, APC and Labour Party, be put on the table and select all those who will pilot the programme from all parties

Very interesting

vanitybutiwanti:
Jokes on you if you think when the person you support is made president of Nigeria, Nigeria will turn to an El Dorado in 4-8years. Get your money up so you'll stop paying attention to APC PDP or LP and threatening to burn down the country because your preferred candidate didn't win. Imagine a thriving business man or an employee in a blue chip firm in Nigeria threatening to burn down Nigeria for a man that he doesn't know from Adam ?

The people threatening fire and brimstone are losers and frustrated individuals that have nothing going on for themselves.

The best gamer and street man won, EOD!

The funny thing is, I was actually about to take you seriously and try to have a dialogue with you until one mind told me to just check your profile first.

So you're a new account created during the campaign period that basically attacks obidients at every turn and of course spices it with rabid igbophobia.

Well-done, I won't engage with another hate-filled tribal rabid partisan BATstard_.

And to think that you just lied about your partisanship few minutes ago.
Very evil people.

vanitybutiwanti:
you're a lier, you igbos have a complex issues, You're sick and you need to go for mental evaluation

vanitybutiwanti:
Sharrap, I know you're Igbo, always beating your chest. Nonsense!

vanitybutiwanti:
Maybe Elite corpses in the east, when I read comments like yours, I don't need to look at the Monika to know that it's from an Igbo man. you hate BAT because of the age long rivalry between the igbos and the Yorubas and he seems to have outsmarted the igbos.

Dvdpity:
To the last Ukrainian. By next year Ukraine will cease to exist as a country. Russia has chosen their battle field. This is the 15th mobilization that Ukraine has done. No more fit men and women.. they're going for health workers and teachers... this is to show you the level of Ukrainian casualties. I wonder who will treat the injured.. hahaha. Zelenkyz genocide on Ukrainians working well..civilized society indeed.

You seem sooo happy to villainize people who are victims of a tyrannical dictator. Ukrainians are fighting for their right to exist as an independent and sovereign state. Ukraine doesn't wish to be a vassal state to Russia. It seeks the right to be left alone to determine its path.

I keep saying it, it is sooo damn pathetically funny if not heavily hypocritical how you Poo-tin retards would rant and feign anger about the US having invaded iraq and the rest, calling it imperialism, but then turn around and support that very same imperialism which you condemn. It couldn't be more hypocritical than that.

vanitybutiwanti:
Election has never been free and fair in Nigeria. When politicians plan elections in Nigeria, they talk about tactics to be deployed for rigging. To politicians these whole thing is a game, nobody gives a fhuck about anybody. The best gamer won and the other contestants know that it's a game, I only pity the foolsss that will be used as Cannon fodders.

Nothing will change if Tinubu or obi or Atiku rules Nigeria, people will be rich and people will be poor. You want to put your life on the line for obi? If you really had something going on in your life, you won't be bleating like a goat on heat. Where are obi's kids in the fray?

Okay perhaps I missed the most important question I should have asked first to be sure the kind of mindset I'm engaging.

1.Which candidate did you support or vote for?

2. Do you believe that politics affects your life directly in a variety of ways??

Very important 2 questions before I reply this post you just posted.

vanitybutiwanti:
no coup will happen, you people want to turn Nigeria upside down because of Obi? I only pity the people that will die untimely on Wednesday, we are still mourning the End SARS casualties. A part of me wants obi to be president to show you guys that he has nothing to offer but it's too late, maybe he should try again in 2027 or 2031.

If you're not a coward, you will not run away like other batists have done here when I asked them these simple questions.

1. Do you believe that there was rigging and results manipulation in the general elections?

2. INEC declared these figures for Tinubu; 8,794,726. Do you personally believe that eight million, seven hundred and ninety four thousand Nigerians voted for Tinubu? Are those results entirely accurate to you?

Remember if you run from this question, you are a coward.

Ibime:
The greatest company ever created

Can you please elaborate? I'm curious what you mean.

I found this helpful.

A001:
Anywhere you've this religion of 'piss', the indigenous people have to open their eyes and brain wide. Before they give the natives the Ilorin treatment and take over their land using Islam.

Bunch of animals and land grabbers. Anyone, who's following the news about the Isese vs Islam issue in Ilorin and saw how some Isese adherents were barred by the Muslims from engaging in their religious practices in public and some of them jailed, and such a person is still welcoming terrorists of the 'religion of piss' into their area, they're playing with a cancer in the name of Islam that destroys your native culture and take over your land.

I don't know how a religion can be so evil. They welcome you into their town peacefully, and when you're comfortable and have gained ground with many fellow Muslims, the next thing is for you to start attacking and demonizing their pagans, your hosts, calling them all sorts of evil names to take over the land, saying you're fighting jihad for your god.

But in reality, you're mere thieves, land grabbers, and criminals. One fact I love about the Igbo people is that they didn't allow that evil religion to gain ground in their region, unlike in Yorubaland.

You're now bordering on militancy. You're becoming a radical. Please check yourself. This is a very very hateful narrative you're allowing to fester within you. Generalisations aren't good. Stereotypes aren't good.

I know what I'll say now wouldn't mean much to you but the one good thing I always personally admired about you was your seeming detribalized nature. In my eyes, you were like the flip side of Dayo. The "good dayo" if I may. A strong yoruba nationalist, a tribal warrior, a tribal jingoist and chauvinist but who didn't let that love and pride for his own tribe translate into extreme hate and disgust for another tribe. You faced the ultimate test in the last election and you shone through so brightly. It was highly admirable.

For better context, you, a proud yoruba lover, had a choice of supporting a powerful yoruba candidate vs an underdog Igbo candidate, and despite your strong inclination and love of tribe, you stuck to your most inner principles of integrity, fairness and competence and went against your own tribesman even though he was the more favoured in the race. 🫡🫡
That earned my respect greatly, one I haven't been able to express because you always choose to be verbally violent. But please don't let this your "anti-religion" crusade erode your sense of tolerance and understanding. Shalom.

Emaprince:
These pastors are making themselves look like jokes

https://www.nairaland.com/7827048/naira-bounce-back-stronger-than

This quote never disappoints.

Mr propaganda in action!
No one reads that shit. It's time for action not empty promises and propaganda. No be propaganda we go chop.

Theflint1:
The election was highly rigged because the person that lost said it was...hahaha

It's an LGA election, people no dey really send election wey no be state governorship and presidential, especially when the elections are being conducted off-cycle. The government in control of the state would easily do the mobilization to see themselves off the finish line. To prove my point, check every off-cycle election in Lagos, APC always sweep easily.

It's commendable that Obaseki held LGA elections, hopefully more governors follow suit and we return to the PDP/Obasanjo years when LGA chairmen were powerful, and we knew who they were.

Not them, I saw several complaints on twitter as to how many polling units did not have result sheets. And many making this exact complaint that they've been waiting for too long.

monerozi5590:
Thank God

The election was still highly rigged.
He used The same tactics APC used in the nationals, not sending voting materials to areas they knew were strongly against them. It's a big shame.

Putin is very lucky biden is chickening out and being soo cautious. Dump this diplomatic approach and supply Ukraine with every single thing it needs.

If Ukraine did not surrender it's nuclear weapons to Russia after the break up, this would definitely not be happening to them. Arm Ukraine with the most powerful non-nuclear bombs. Let Russians feel and see what they're doing.

WrriterNig:
⚡The 🇺🇦 Ukrainian Armed Forces have broken through the first line of defense of Russian troops near Zaporizhzhia - the commander of the operational and strategic group of troops for The Guardian.

"Now we are between the 1st and 2nd lines of defense of the 🇷🇺 Russian Federation in the Zaporozhye direction"

Take note that Russia hasn't taken an inch of land for more than 6 months now and they've been losing more and more territories which they illegally gained. Ukraine has been slow but steady, I wish the EU and America stop restricting them from attacking Russia direct.

The civilians in Moscow have to feel the impact of the carnage and inhumanity their country is inflicting in Ukraine. Biden needs to stop holding zelensky back and let him go all in!

Melvyn11:
It's a brilliant idea for books to be translated in our native languages. That will even make education and learning easier.

I beg to differ.

You do know that there is a big difference between SPEECH and WRITTEN TEXT. between Reading and Writing.
Doubt it? I'm sure you are proficient in your language but you will find it very difficult to fully read aloud sentences written in your local language.

To be put more concisely, language is different from text.
Now to explain much better; our spoken languages in Africa have evolved over a long period of time but the vast majority of tribes in Africa did not develop a system of text or writing (except historic Egypt and very few others like the nsigbidi) which is why we did not have an established system of passing down documented information but rather history was passed down largely from word of mouth. Unlike other civilisations that had vast libraries which survived for more than 7 centuries. In Europe and Asia most especially.

For example, even our modern transliteration of our local languages are modeled after the English alphabets or more accurately (greek-latin) alphabets. Another example is the numerals (numbers). These are Roman numbers, 1234567. These have been adopted globally today in every single modern language as the base model of computation.
In every transliterated text, if they want to outline a figure, you would see these numbers, not a translated figure.

Now also important to note that tribes which already had a historical documented text still use them today, something which African tribes didn't. Chinese don't use alphabets, they have "sinograms". Those stick characters you see. Arabs also don't use the greek-latin alphabets system, they have the Sanskrit abjid. Which is different.
Africa doesn't have this and honestly, doesn't need to, we already have soo many languages as it is. Creating a whole new system of written text just for "pride" is totally unnecessary. Many Asian societies today like Indonesia, Singapore, Malaysia are doing well despite adopting the foreign languages. Only inferiority complex will make us focus on such irrelevance.

Oasis003:


.....so na your anus you dey use reason before?! If you no get hope for Naija again, it doesn't mean some of us don't - I repeat.

Is this a joke? Or Abi an insult to our collective intelligence?

Because surely you must see how stupid it sounds when someone who basically fled his country will be saying this soo boldly in such a manner. If you believed in the country, will you run from it??

liveLongNprospa:
Lmao..
I think you guys are so stuck on what you think is "right" that you don't see the possibility of some people actually waiting it out to take their revenge or even move on.

Coming back to Nigeria to start over is equally as hard as staying there with the wife and licking your wounds while planning your next move.

I currently have men in my workplace older than me who have had to start over and you can legit see the damage done.

My issue with you guys in issues like this is that you think it's either your way of reasoning or the person is immature.

Read about what people have done to cheating partners.
You can use reddit and you'll see that what Melvin and that babe are saying isn't unrealistic in anyway.
My only issue is just calling him confronting the lady a bad decision. It's not.. Same way it is not a bad decision if he stays back and plots.

Naso life be

Well said.

BlueRayDick:
🤣🤣🤣🤣

I mean, Na true na. He keeps spamming the page with the same thing, without making creative inputs. His only idea so far has been a corrupted version of Mohammed and Jesus which is his otem atum. With otems book being his Bible which no one can challenge.


He talks about preservation of culture without outlining practical steps as to how that can happen and without denigrating the entire continent as fools.

A001:
Yes. Otem claims India was a world power in the ancient world. In that era, Ancient Egypt (a black African civilization), Hittite, and India were the world powers, according to him.

While there's a solid body of evidence from many other sources for the first two claims, I didn't see corroborating sources for the last one.

However, since more than 97% of history of planet Earth is lost and undocumented, it's possible India had been a world power in the past.

As for those mocking Otem without even knowing the basics about the guy, your problem is low intelligence. On his threads, he clearly stated Otem and Atum, which is also called Tem, are one and the same.

There's a reason his moniker is OtemAtum. As I said some time ago, it's the most stupid Africans that mock Otem or Tem. Once I see your post here mocking any of those two, immediately I regard your IQ as very low.

It's only in Africa I'd been seeing m.orons mocking great minds that would dwarf the achievements of some of the most renowned thinkers the West has ever produced.

An agnostic who worships his fellow man because he thinks the said man is sooo brilliant and his book is his own Bible.

Basically you have created your own religion. One which no one can dare criticize.
Are you not a hypocrite for then criticizing Christians and Muslims?

monerozi5590:
The Indians are brilliant set of people. They are among the top 10 manufacturing countries in the world.

He doesn't even know that English is the official language in Indian schools. Just like nigeria, India also uses English and then Hindu as its most uniting language across the country.

Many people have asked this guy the practicality of breaking Africa's language down in 2000 different languages. Does he think that is possible? But he just keeps making noise.

Nigeria has more than 700 different languages, like think about that, 700 different languages in this country. Does he believe that gwari people in Abuja, nupe people in Jos, itsekiri in Delta, idoma in Benue, Kalabari in Bayelsa, Ogoni in rivers, that all these tribes and several more, all have to go back and learn physics in their languages all in the name of preservation??

What is the practicality of that?
He just keeps making noise. Unnecessary noise.

My nigeria. Think of what this money would have been used for.

DeadPresidents:
I think the secret of Ibime’s accuracy is his nurtured intuition for following the money trail. Most of the time, follow the money and you can predict a lot of stuff. Holds true for politics, football transfer strategy, relationships etc

Hmm, you're right. I'm seeing that post was made based on his prediction of how money for the party would be spent and to where it will be channeled. The guy is good.