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Yeah papa,

It's bn quite a while.

So what is it am hearing?

I hear South Africa is warming up for a big shake-up come March 28th 2008.

It's a Night of Bliss with pator Chris @ the Johannesburg stadium in South Africa.

For sure that nation would not be the same a again after the program.

And i pray that the power of God would be sooo manifested that stongholds of religion and circularity will be broken in the mighty name of Jesus christ; giving way for the entrance of God's living Word into their hearts.

I pray for an outpouring of God's Spirit and a greater harvest of miracles signs and wonders.

I also pray that Pastor Chris' be delivered from wicked and unreasonable men who do not have fatih.

Amen. God bless.

It is okay when you have not yet been born again with the life of God in you.
That way, it'll only be natural for you to follow the way of the world.

But for a christain to ask such questions as these only shows that he is still a babe and does not yet realize that he has been called out of the world.

The reason we do the traditional marriage is because we cannot totally severe our familly ties. So you do that for them to fulfil the law and custom but you know that the church from which you feed and in to which you have been born and planted by Jesus for whom you live has not yet recognized such a union. As such, you are not married.

There has to be the blessing of the Lord upon that union. So until then, bear in mind that even though you have celebrated the party in the village (because that is what it is. . . the people want to eat and drink), you know the body of christ into which you were born must first recognize and sanction such a union.

Anything outside is disorderliness and God frowns at such.

Tip: you can set you traditional marriage a day or two before your wedding to avoid falling into sin.

But for those of us who are already known as radicals for christ, that is not a problem

Your right, no contradiction between the verses. However, between the verses is a really long period, one which could run into thousands and maybe millions of years.

All the nations of the world today are under a curse because none has officially declared Jesus Christ as Lord. No Igbo man, no Yoruba man, No hausa man, No American, No european will enter heaven.

Europe for instance which has experienced at some time some great spiritual revival, is now backslidden. God is  presently visiting them again one more time before He comes to take his church.

America is prospering above every other nation because it was founded by the will of God and for the purpose of the spread of His kingdom around the world. Its founding fathers knew the Lord Jesus and reverenced Him publicly and in private. America however is visited everynow and then with shakings and terror so as to bring their hearts back to their creator since they've  let circularity and the cares of this world take over their desire for God and the establishment of his kingdom of righteousness.

That is why Jesus said we are not of the World but have been chosen out of the world. Therefore come out of the world and be ye seperated. Our kingdon is not of this world, we are on a journey.

Zion is the name of the kingdom to which we belong. That kingdom from heaven. From that kingdom we reign in this world as kings and priests.
We will not just pass through, keeping silent; we should teach the world how to live. We should demonstrate the power of our risen Lord in this day and hour without fear.

That is why God is raising many from Africa in these last days to take his power and presence back to those nations who have neglected him and taken him out of their daily lives.

Lord help us.

I heard there were ministers and national assembly members who were present  and who witnessed first hand the power of God as some of those they brought were heald instantly including the blind and lame.

I heard about a lady who was so sick and incapacitated, so  much so that when pastor Chris called for prof. Jerry Gana to come see the lady's condition for himself; Gana started praying as soon as her saw her condition. Was he not the one who sanctioned the removal of miracle programing from TV? Well, the lady was heald instantly and raised up by the power of God.

I heard there were ministers and national assembly members who were present and who witnessed first hand the power of God as some of those they brought were heald instantly including the blind and lame.

I heard about a lady who was so sick and incapacitated, so much so that when pastor Chris called for prof. Jerry Gana to come see the lady's condition for himself; Gana started praying as soon as her saw her condition. Was he not the one who sanctioned the removal of miracle programing from TV? Well, the lady was heald instantly and raised up by the power of God.

chei! ol boy! Some people are really gifted i must say.

Anyways, i think he deservd every bit.

I was unable to make it down to Abuja , can any onyone who was there tell us somethin?

My dear, i've done all that asking since about 10 yrs ago.

At least i should have known by now where i am and what i stand for.

I wonder where you got the idea from that we do not recognize those in our midst who have been called in a special way. What you will not see however, is indiscipline and selfishness the way it is in several quarters today.

I do not know who you are refeering to as the special /chosen 7. I know we have about 8 central executive council members including pastors Chris and Anita and i have seen over the years the fear of the Lord which they exhibit in carrying out His work. The same grace and annointing i see in Pastor Chris, i also see in them. You sound as though they are some occultic group or something.


Anyways, i recognize your sincere show of concern, and i really appreciate that. . . unlike some people.

You say you left becasue you do not believe the authenticity of athe leader which is good as long as you have a witness in you heart as to what is authentic.

Pastor Chris recived a very definite call and vision from God in 1981: to take the divine presence of God to the nations of the world and since then, he has carried that vision and ran with it with so much passion. Now that presence is evident every where we go. Its in our books, our tapes. Signs and wonders occur all over the world by just coming in contact with any anything from our ministry because they are annointed, they carry that presence.

Pastor Chris was born into Assemblies of God church. When he started out his ministry he did not have in mind to establish a church. All he wanted was to carry the message around the world. The church is a result ot the vision. This is the reason many don't understand our ministry. They are astonished at the results we get, it isn't our own making. These are the signs that should accompany the vision.

By the way, Pastor Chris went into school in his first year, he joined the christian organization there but was made to undersatand that he couldn't continue there. At one time, he told the leader of the fellowship he wanted to organize a seminar and "how long have you been here?" came his response. then when he replied, "that is not enough time to know what happening around here" came the final response. he was however allowed to go on ahead apart from the chrsitian group.

He went on to invite people, even from outside school and there were miracles signs and wonders and the name of our lord was glorified. Students from different races including whites recieved the word and were converted. The cultists, winners of beauty peagents, robbers, all came to know the Lord and were filled with the Holy ghost, speaking with new tongues.

Then the religious folks began to say, "you may have the gifts but not the fruits" as if sickness and disease will obey a man who is not walking in righteouness. It is exactly the same thing we see today, only on a higher level. Satan has not changed. He is still the old deciever an he'll do anything to make sure that the people deny the true power and presence of God but he is a defeated foe.

The bible says : 'we overcame the devil by the blood of the lamb and by the words of our testimony.' That does not suggest sprinkling does it? That refers to faith in the blood and not your so-called sprinkling.

The way to plead the blood is to stand by faith in what that blood has accomplished for us and refuse anything contrary. This is the reason for the Holy communion.  Jesus on the night before he was betrayed, with the cup of wine in his hand, called it the blood of the new and everlasting covenant. Hebrews says it speaks better things than that of Abel. Saying, I plead the blood does not necessarily plead the blood, undersatnd? That only leaves God's people in ignorance while they recite that line as a magic chant without actually pleading the blood. Pastor Chris really did not preach against pleading the blood but rather exposed the ignorance of many as regarding the subject.

Thanks for your preaching, even though you only repeated that lie that has already been told among penticostals. There is only one Jesus who died, was buried and rose again from the dead after 3 days. There is only one Jesus with authority, by whom demons are cast out , let no man decieve you.

You may be confused becasue you do not know God's Word or because you lack the Spirit of truth; I am not.

By the way, i do not think your pastor, Paul Adeferasin shares the same views as you.

It seemed as though these muslims (i purposely ignored the word fanatics) wouldnt stop their riots in the north until christians started letting them have a taste of their own medicine.

Imagine a muslim walking into the church with a gun in his hand ready to kill the pastor and the congregation decide to bow their heads in prayer instead of bringing that man down with a microphone or speaker aimed at the back of his head.

I however think christians should allow the wisdom of God to guide their hearts at all times so that when situations like these arise, by the spirit they'll do as occacions demands.

According to the bible, after a man gives his heart to Christ, he is no longer in need of deliverance. I am however aware of the man-made doctrine which has spread all around the world suggesting that christians need to undergo deliverance after they have been saved.

This goes to show that many pastors do not even know the meaning of salvation.

The problem is with you and not with Christ embassy.

We have been trained spritually enough so as not to tolerate the kind of spiritual indiscipline we see around. Where a choir master will leave his church because he had a quarel wth d pastor and go on to start his own church down the road. Because you do not see that in our midst, you are offended. That is not the spirit of Christ. There is no room for busy-bodies in God's house.

We have a mission, we have a message and we have no time to play church.

We do not allow all those man-made doctrines which you peddle around among yourselves, in our midst. That is what you are angry about.

We consider the breaking of bread and wine a more excellent way to plead the blood. We overcome by faith in the blood and not by your so-called pleading/sprinkling which you preach, attempting to do what Jesus did when hetook his blood into the holliest of hollies and sprinkled it on the mercy seat in heaven once and for all for the remmisiion of sin. No man today has the right to sprinkle that blood on the main road or anywhere else, it sound nice but it amounts to spiritual confusion.

Christ Embassy is a very large church. We have millions of brethren and thousands of pastors to relate with,thanx. By d way, what makes you think pastor chris dosnt have minister friends in Nigeria and around the world?

You can take me on on whichever doctrinal issues you may wish to and i'll show you from scriptures what you do not know.

Backslider:
@Akintos

I perceive that you are from the sect of the christ embassy.

Since you are not afraid to mention Christ embassy in your attempt to divert attention from the lie you are trying to sell, i have decided to correct such silly behaviour.

I decided to show you where you erred whether conciously or unconciously.

Backslider:
Well the Dove is a symbol and nothing else.

Really? wasn't that what they said about so-called annoiinting oil, until they started worshipping it, forgetting that the Holy ghost resides in them.

Backslider:
Just as the Body that housed Jesus was a symbol that He was Indeed human being so is the Dove a symbol that the Most High Spirit of the Lord is a spirit being.

You must know that characteristic of the Dove.

Why isn't the dove a symbol that the Spirit is a dove? Nonsense! Even if i am to follow your arguement logically, it does not make sense, how much more spiritual sense.

Jesus body was no symbol. It was His body which was bruised for the sins of the whole world. He bore our sins in his own body on the cross.

Backslider:
Now watch carefully and you can search for yourself.

In Genesis we see that The spirit of God moved on the face of the waters now in when the flood had stopped The dove was sent by Noah to MOVE arround to see if the water had subsided.

Now do you think God did not have eyes to see that the water had subsided or not? The Dove is a symbol or an embodiment of the character of the Person of the Holy Ghost to man.

Dove when provoked will depart from it owner.

The holy Ghost is one that will flee from a sinning Christian. There is no amount of begging Unless you come through the son all over again. Then will the Holy Ghost will return.

@Idinrete

Satan copies the Original and he brings the Theory of the witch craft bird

My dear, do you belong to a church at all? I mean a local church? You do not appear to have been trained at all! What rubbish are you trying to say? This is ignorance gone on rampage! I suggest you humble yourself, submit to authority  and be taught by the annointing.

It was not God that needed the the help of the dove but Noah ok? Stop saying what the bible did not say.

And now to your concluding lie; in what chapter and verse did the bible say that the Holy Ghost will flee from a sinning Christian? The bible never said so.

He hath said, i will never leave thee nor forsake thee. Jesus, before he ascended said, Lo, will be with you always, even unto the end of the age. He is with us today through the Holy ghost.

It is however possible to grieve the Holy ghost or blaspheme against him. Be careful, lest you fall into that temptation.

I recognise them by their names. . . One calls himself akobaba and the other backslider. I think they need some teaching on the doctrines of righteeousness, sanctification and holliness which they claim to be advocates of.

I however do not wish to be the one to teach them.  I have  better things to do wtih my time. They are old wine bottles. . . too old 4 new wine.

Ur right sis! We're citizens of ZION.

. . . now that's christian character.

I think he is also not very much acquinted with satelite TV because miracles are actually daily occurences with these ministries.

I think it is a question of God taking his manifested presence and power to where he chooses.

I'm not in the mood to trade words; esp. not with folks who do not have anything to give but the age-long cries of frustration. There is a new move of God in our nation and it is cetainly beyond the comprehension of some.

Whether religious folks like it or not the true gospel of the kingdom is being preached and lies are being thrown out the window!

They are wicked and currupt in their hearts therefore they cannot see good in anything. For them, evertything and everyone is corrupt; therefore they are entangled in their sin and frustration.

They may appear in white apparel, but we know they are whitewashed sepulchres.

They have backslideen therefore they want to rub their guilt and frustration on everyone else.

I am not interested in such.

ZION is the name of that city.

Some are hoping for a city in the sweet bye and bye. Others are marching to that city while some dwell there for they were born right there. Glory!

They've shown time and again that they believe in action and not just talk.

God bless Nigeria!

And you know what? This independence was very diffeerent from every other as Christ Embassy set the pace for celebration and for a renewed spirit of patriotism in Nigeria. Millions all over the country joined CEC in the celebration.

God bless Nigeria!

That's right brother!

@ Backslidder,

Moses, Enoch and Elijah did not go to hell by God's divine purpose. That is why it was possible for Moses and Elijah to appear at His transfiguration, for they were in heaven.

When we talk about the saints of old who were sent to hell/hades. Many think we are refering to the place of punishment or torment but that is not so.

Hell as it was then, was not just for the wicked but also for the righteous who awaited redemption. There was a great gulf seperating the place of the righteous (Abraham's bosom) and the place of the wicked. I am sure you can remember the rich man and lazurus. The rich man could see lazarus (who was in Abraham's bosom) from that place of torment in the same hades but lazurus was not in torment.

Where do you think those who were raised along with Jesus at His ressurection came from? For He took them with him into heaven at his ascension into heaven.

Passage: Ephesians 4:8:
8This is why it[a] says:
   "When he ascended on high,
      he led captives in his train
      and gave gifts to men."[b]

@ pilgrim,

It is not true that Christ became a sinner. According to the scriptures, He became sin.

I did not say that sin is not an act. I said it is more than an act. At least i know that according to the bible, everything  or action which is not of faith (that worketh by love) is sin (in the new testament).  But sin is a nature.

I am really not ready to take you through a bible lecture on the concept of sin now. But i will like to leave you with a question that i think might help you punder a bit and of course, it'll help me understand more who i am dealing with:

Are there christians who are also sinners? Can you be a christain and a sinner at the same time? What about the one who was born again with the life of God who commits sin? Is he a sinner? How does God see him?

WOF? what dat mean? I'm not into all that classification.



God bless.

@ Backslidder,

I have heard about that theory. The truth however is, it (the theory) did not cross my mind when i sent in that post.

I have gone past that level. There are some of us who give, not because we are trying to practice a theory or as though we are gambling or trading. We give because we know we have already been blessed in christ beyond measure.

So there is no question of it did not work. I am addicted to the gospel of Christ. I do not give becasue of what i hope to gain even though harvest is innevitable; giving is my nature.  I give because  i have the nature of God and God is  a giver. The whole world belongs to me. I dwell in Zion and there is no poverty there . . . Glory!

What nature did the devil have? It was the nature of sin. Devil and sin are inseperable. He is the father of Sin. That is why the bible talks about the man of sin.

Jesus went into hell not as the son of God but as the son of man. He was man's representative. . .The second Adam. He went there because having died in our place, he had to go to hell in our place. He was taken to hell but came out , leading captives in his train.

The bible says he spoiled principalities and powers, made an open show of them. Where? In hell

That is why his name has authority in hell.

That old man whom many of you claim is alive and working side by side with your new nature was buried with christ. Why did he need to be buried? Because it was dead.

When you understand this you will know what the bible means when it calls Jesus the first born from the dead and calls you a new creation in Christ Jesus.

. . . They having a form of godliness, deny the power thereof.

That is why i do not like these names and classifications we give ourselves. I think they leave a lot of room for accusation from the accuser.

There is nothing like a penticostal doctrine or an a orthodox doctrine. There is one written word which became flesh which is risen above the heavens for our sakes.

And we through the Spirit of truth do worship this great God of heaven who is mighty in our midst.

It is time to stand by yourself now. It is not the time to argue doctrines and hide behind these names. The just shall live by his faith. God is interested in what you do with what you know so that your glorying will not be in word only but in the demonstration of the Spirit and of power.

[quote author=Tayo-D link=topic=86378.msg1595127#msg1595127 date=1192718178]@Enigma,
You need to try and explain scripture with scripture in to come to a conclusion. The Bible could not just be talking about his body being buried, because His body never left the tomb until He resurrrected. The He that went to the lower parts of the earth is His Spirit. Remember Psalm 16:9 Therefore my heart is glad, and my glory rejoiceth: my flesh also shall rest in hope. 10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. So you see, this scripture, which is a prophecy about Jesus clearly teaches that jesus went to Hell. But it doesn't mean what many thinks it means becuase Hell as taught in scripture is really a reference to the place of the dead. The different compartments are mentioned in the story of Lazarus. The story clearly shows the righteous held in the earth. the differnet compartments in the earth include Abraham's bosom, and the one regarded as the place of torment. there is another compartment called Tatarus where disobedient angels are held. So from all indications, Jesus was in ALL these parts for different reasons.
There is nothing difficult to understand there. It is very simple. Jesus was there to declare God's judgment. Sin was already judged and the basis for throwing the evil spirits in the lake of fire was accomplished on the cross. This is what Jesus went to preach to them about. For those in Abraham's bosom, the Bible clearly teaches that they were taken up to heaven with Jesus during his ascension. Remeber that the bible says that many in Jerusalem saw the dead saints on the day Jesus rose from the dead?

As for your other accusations about WOFers as you call them, I dare say you do not understand what they are preaching and you have only done what fear dictates - call what you don't understand, an error.[/quote]I cannot agree with you more

Bus preachers collecting offering? Well. it's not just my style. I'd rather seek an opporunity to give.