₦airaland Forum

Nairaland is gradually changing. Just a couple of years ago this hustler played host to a more receptive and gullible audience than what he is getting now.
I am really proud of the way many people have stood up to challenge him, especially when some of those challenging him were once his cheer leaders.

manichukk56:
if you say God is uncreated then you spoil the logic of cause and effects, the question now is what caused an uncaused creator.. However there are no evidence for God, what if the universe came through quantum effects, not God

Please, educate me on what quantum effect is.

plaetton:
NASA has not declared that the sun is dying.
The mysterious black spots have spawned various theories. One is that they just might be black holes.

Even if our Sun starts to petter out, it would still take about a million years to completely flame out and go Super Nova.

More than enough time for us jet out to another star system.

You are quite right. But just to be a bit pendatic, the sun is not massive enough to go supernova at its end of life. It would expand into a red giant that will consume the earth before cooling and contracting to a white dwarf.

Another fake story.

If hell is real, then God is a saddistic monster that I cannot bring myself to love and worship.
But since God is love, I just cannot see how a place of such horror can exist.

I am pleased to see that this conman prophet have not been left unchalleged to deceive the gullible.
Keep up the good work vooks.

manichukk56:
If you say there was a creator then you have to explain who created the creator and why the universe can't be the creator

God by definition is uncreated. But let us suppose that you are right that if God created the universe, then God was created by a second God. This would imply that the second God was in turn created by a third, and so on till infinity.
Now, remember that in mathematics however large a number is, subtracted from infinity, the answer is still infinty.
So we can dispens with all the intermediate Gods and still be left with the uncreated infinite God.

davidylan:
3 ingredients to design the universe:

1. matter - anything that has weight (dust, gases, e.t.c.)

2. Energy

3. Space

But how does science explain the origin of each and how do all 3 coalesce to design a universe that obeys extremely specific laws of "nature"?

Update - E=mc2  - means matter and energy are simply the same thing, 2 sides of one coin.

The big slam purports to explain the appearance of energy and matter? But what about space?

Interesting note from Hawking - if the universe is created by positive energy from the big bang balanced out by the corresponding negative energy stored in space (i.e +ive E + -ive E = 0), then you dont need God to create the universe? Interesting postulation without any shred of evidence. Kinda like saying . . . since we dont know what caused the big bang itself then God must exist.

Supposing that Hawkins was right in saying that the universe was created by +ve energy from the big bàng balanced out by the corresponding -ve energy. This would imply that the creation of the universe represents a lowering of the state of entropy in the system.
And from the laws of thermodynamics such reduction in the state of entropy can only occur if work is done on the system from an external enviroment.
Hawkins argument is like saying that the cold generated by a heat pump such as a refrigerator is balanced by the heat it expels from its radiators, as such neither a fridge nor work is required to seperate the heat from the cold.

Royver:
Many animals do not need sunlight to live. Several species of fish were found on such depths as 10 kilometers and lower. These animals live under extreme pressure, in total darkness and without oxygen. Scientists predict that more specimen that never see sunlight will be found on the floors of the oceans within the next five years.
Scientists once thought sunlight, like water, was crucial to sustain life on Earth. But we now know of deep-sea communities of organisms that use chemical energy, rather than energy from sunlight, as the basis for their food. Communities of bacteria that tap the energy in hydrogen sulfide molecules, for example, cluster around deep-sea hydrothermal vents. There, such bacteria are the primary producers that provide key nutrients other organisms depend on.

I do not agree with the op's claim that the universe is self existent, but to say that life can exist on earth without the sun is absolute rubbish.
If not for the sun the earth would have been at a temperature of 2.73k which would make it too cold to for liquid water to exist anywhere on the planet. Even regions of geothermal activities would be rock solid at that temperature.
So while you are right in saying that some niche ecosystem on earth that are not directly dependent on the sun for survival, you are wrong in thinking that their environment will continue to remain the same long after the sun ceases to exist.

Reading John 8:44

You are from your father the devil, and you choose to do your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks according to his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Jesus made it clear that satan began his evil ways as a murderer and a liar by bringing death to humans. This would imply that his fall was after the creation of man.

Ghumaysa:
This is someone Muslims respect very much! Imagine someone making such a mockery of your mother....how would u feel? the violence is extreme....yes but the mockery is also very wrong!!

Mocking my mother still does not answer the question as to why a cartoon of Muhammad can in anyway deny some people the right to their religion.
If you mock my mother, I could choose to respond by ignoring you, or mock your mother in return, or sue you for libel. But never would I chop off your head for insulting my mother.

mutter:
Violence is wrong.
But it is also very wrong to continue with these cartoons and to keep on provoking the moslem world.

Why do it! Why do it when you know that many innocent people all over the world will loose their lives, while you try to prove a point.
Everyone has a right to his religion, that also means that dignity and respect should be given to his religion.

Explain to me please how drawing an image of Muhammad can deny some people the right to their religion.

sameera025:
I would love to live by the rulings of the quran. Where life is just and fair. The unfortunate thing is that everywhere people are failed by a system made to be just, that is manipulated to be unjust to others.

So do you support the stoning of adulterers and the amputation of petty thieves as well as the subjugation of women in the sharia law?

@sameera025

As a muslim , what is your view of the sharia law, and would you like to live in a country where this law is implemented?

Bidam:
Care to explain your previous post about two God's?

It is what it is, no further explanation is needed.

Bidam:
Is primate not an ORDER? Or didn't you understand taxonomy?

I do understand what taxonomy is very well, it is your understanding that should be questioned if you think my previous post is wrong.

Most muslims would not go as far as to kill the cartoonist themselves but are happy that an insult to Prophet Muhammad did not go unpunished.

vooks:
CAPTIVATOR is a primate
Vooks is a primate
CAPTIVATOR is vooks

Then there are two primates. Are there two Gods?

@vooks
On what basis is someone declared righteous?
Would your answer imply that every other person is unrighteous?

Only an idīot will believe that oil will never sell for more than a hundred dollars again.
I predict that by middle of next year oil will be over a hundred dollars per barrel.

eposho:
same anointing that is scared of EBOLA.
BRAIN dead smh

That my friend, is the key to exposing the con.
The fact that it is easier for the holy spirit to manifest its power by making half the church fall to the ground and the other half to speak in total incomprehensible gibberish than to heal a poor sick child should alert any thinking person that the whole charade is a scam.
A typical scam has lots of promises with zero tangible outcome, so does the the miracle merchants we have come to know as pastors and Daddy G.O

bingbagbo:
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[b]I WANT TO ASK YOU OP,

DOES YAHWEH HAVE BLOOD??

WELL THEN SEE, Acts 20:28 " Be on guard for yourselves and for all the flock that the Holy Spirit has appointed you to as overseers, to shepherd the church of God, which He purchased with His own blood."

The revised standard version rendered the last part as "which he purchased with the blood of his own son", and the footnote of many other translations such as the New International Version indicated that it can be translated this way even though they used the one you quoted.

naijainstinct:
you didn't proffer any solution though. Thanks for your contribution!

She should be taken to see a psychiatric doctor for treatment.

@frosbel:
How does your reply square with the fact that majority of muslims polled are in support of death for apostacy?
Do not make the mistake of thinking that the fact that most muslims in the west lack the power to implement the sharia in its full glory doesn't mean it is not at the top of their wish list.
Ask most moderate muslims if good for the sharia to inpunish blashemers and apostate with death penalty, and their best reply is provided it is a muslim country then it is ok.
Then ask them if they want sharia in your country, and they will say; sure, it is the dream of every muslim to have sharia as the law where they are.

Hello frosbel, I would have agreed with you if I had not witnessed the ferocity with which muslims around the world protested the Danish cartoon. Even the moderates among them took to the streets and beseiged the embassy of many western nations calling for the heads of the publishers of the newspaper.
Moreover in muslim majority countries people are killed for the slightest perceived insult on Muhammad.
To know if islam is actually tolerant ask yourself how long you think the charlie hebdo publisher would be able to stay alive in the streets of a country with no radicalised extremist muslims where sharia law is practiced?

lastmessenger:
I am a sperm so is the as.shole prophet Muhammad but I am well convinced that I am far better than that I'd.iot that defiled a nine old girl.

You mean this one?

Your sister is having a stress induced mental breakdown which she is expressing through her religious indoctrination.
It was her search for a way out of her initial frustration that drove her to become religious, and now she is trapped in a negative feedback loop whereby she gets more religious as her frustration increases as she continues to search for meaning in her life.

Religion cannot help her, it would only further compound her problem and make her illness worse. In a matter of weeks if she doesn't get the care and support she desperately needs, her utterances will become unintelligible, she will become a gloomy shadow of her once distant self with fleeting moments of a smile and self awareness in an otherwise blank face to suggest that your sister is not forever lost.

Here are some good ones

The despicable and barbaric reactions of muslims around the world over trivial things like cartoon has convinced me the Prophet Muhammad is more unclean than the pigs he refused to eat.

This is how muslims think

All this senseless killing for Prophet Muhammad (piss be upon him)

Sweetrosa:
well,I didn't.The last time I read the book of revelation was November last year

So my guess was right that you have read the book of Revelations. I think that the template for your dream was derived from your visualisation of Revelations, but the dream itself might have been triggered by something else like say a movie or an apocaliptic sermon.