₦airaland Forum

vooks:
So nothing I do on earth matters because I will be judged on the basis of my future actions during Judgement 'day'?

Think of it this way, we are all condemned to die because of our inherited sin. So we pay the price of sin with our lives when we die, so in that sense we are freed from our bondage to sin having paid with our dear lives.

This is where Jesus Christ comes in. He paid the price of our sinful nature with his perfect human life so that those exercising faith in him will no loner perish but have everlasting life.
So the answer to your question is no. The course of action you take now can determine if you would benefit from Jesus' ransom sacrifice. Withou Jesus we are just like animals that are here today and are forever gone the next day. But with Jesus we have that hope of a resurrection.
The judgement day is a future event that is a thousand years long. During this time people would be restored to the same perfect state like Adam. And at the end of the thousand years satan would be released one last time for a very short period in what revelation described as the second test.
People will be judged based on what they in the one thousand years and during the test.

HKCOMPANY:
You don't know things of the spirit, is not how hard working you are will determine how successful you will be ,at my own time, I worked in 7 restaurants as a dish washer and as a cook, did a mechanic job, hawk, work in companies with very little pay,guy to be a man and be successful is only by grace of God

Working hard is not just about a relentless application of brute force like a beast, it is more about applying your mental faculty in solving problems and overcoming adversity.
If making money legally is all about brute force alone, a truck pusher would not be poor and a doctor would not be rich.
Your experience just tells me that you have failed to use ylur head.

starlingleanets:
Under no circumstances should a christain appear b4 an earthly Judge.

But Jesus appeared before Pilate, and Paul also on several occasions appeared before the judicial authorities of his day.
How do you explain that given the comment you just made?

Seuin:
What clauses? You are actually an idioţ? Aren't You?

Don't mind the fòòl. Only in a lawless country like Nigeria would you expect to see idìòts like the op celebrating the fact that their favourite hustler seem to be above the law.

Those other people are better at getting what they aim for than you, your prayers have absolutely nothing to do with their success.

CyrusXandria:
Not in his defense but he's an MOG he would only send a rep.Till the hearing reaches a stage were his testimonies would necessarily be heard.

Just so you know, you made absolutely no sense.

asalimpo:
yeah, stephen was martyred. But thts a different case, Jesus was killed . The bible doesnt promise escape from persecution even martyrdom. Infact, martyrdom, is regarded as a very high honour to God.
Peter, says, a martyr has special spiritual properties to b able to lay down his life for Christ.
But outside tht, God's will is perfect protection while a person is doing His work.
When Jonah fled from the God, (tried to), he was outside God's will , and so subject to watever ill was around Him. He almost died outside God's will.
When Paul, was to go to Rome to appeal to ceaser, he was within God's will, and God gave him a sense tht the ship was headed for disaster if it set sail as planned. He reported his suspicion to the ship captain but was ignored (probably as a religious nut head), but the lives of d passengers were spared because of paul-God wanted him alive in rome.

Was Stephen not doing God's work when he was killed?
Are the lives of christians not taken from the natural disasters that happens around the world?
The passengers that perished in the ill fated Dana flight, were most of them not christians with a few pastors?
Have you not heard or seen a bus carrying people to or from a crusade that was involved in an accident with many fatalaties?
How about that pastor that recently died in a plane crash together with his family?

My friend, the truth is that it is completely random as to who survives or perish in an accident. The best we can do is to increase our chance of survival by taking every neccessary precautions to minimize risk.

We are all subject to time and unforseen occurence, so whether our furtune is good or bad is not as a result of God's direct intervention in our lives. But I do believe that in the past God has on a few occasions had to directly intervene in the safety of the lives of those people that were crucial to his purpose .
That was why Paul was protected from harm, while Stephen was stoned to death. Moses was saved even though many other children were killed.
My point is that on the few occasions where God saved someone as recorded in the bible, it was always not for the persons gain, but on account of the special work that needs to be done by that person.

As a christian, I cannot think of any special reason why God would protect me in an accident and let the next man die. My salvation is the hope I have that God will in the end correct every wrong ever made by ressurecting all deserving ones rhat have perished to a perfect life.

The religion of peace strikes yet again.

Mercedes made a huge contribution to passenger safety in the early 50s with the invention of the crumple zone that we now take for granted or may not even have heard of it.
Prior to this time, the whole of the car was made to be very rigid. So in the event of a head on collision, the full force of impact is transmitted to the occupants of the vehicle.
The result of the old design was that on impact most of the vehicle will remain intact but with lots of passeger injuries/ fatalities.

But by creating a crumple zone in the front of the car, most of the energy from the force of impact is not transmitted to the occupants of the vehicle. It is absorbed by the rapid deformation of the crumple zone.
So the fact that on impact a modern car easily deforms is a safety feature that helps to protect the passengers on impact.

asalimpo:
you simply want to deny d obvious, there's no logically way this con job cud have been pulled off under the hyper alert watching nose of a passenger.
No way.

Watch the second video posted by timmy2409 then tell me what you think.
What you call magic is just a simple parlour trick.

asalimpo:
@doubters and co.

Y dont you simply admit tht somethings are super natural and defy logic?

How does some1 switch a large sum of money with d alert owner not noticing it and doind so swiftly?

There's no logic for this.

First, the owner was hyper alert and wudve reacted at d slightest sign of foul play.

The fastest way would b to pull out d money,like pick pockets do but the didnt stop there, they replaced it with paper and without raising suspicion...

Again,like i say, somethings defy logic. Period.

The only thing that defies logic is your apparent inability to see that it was just a con,no spirit involved.

Gombs:
I believe so

Can you give a reason why you think he was forgiven?

Times are hard no doubt, but I have seen some young people regularly pay a tenth of their income to some very rich merchants of God instead of saving it for something useful.

@ Gombs. Was Adam forgiven?

BossTtdiamonds:
If I've been fooled by the pulpit thieves, at least they don't give me nightmares, I enjoy my sleep as a newly birthed baby does his/hers.
Here you've been fooled by the devil and he's not only made mockery of you (with your display here on Nland), but he's deprived you of sleep by hauntin' you in your dreams.
Those that are impoverished find it hard to give, go check history, the wealthy give more.. I'd bet my tithe is on par with your salary.

It is true that the wealthy give more to charity, but just to be clear, are you saying that people get wealthy beacuse they give rather than they give because they are wealthy?

Most Nigerians feel guilty partying purely for the sake of having fun, hence they cloak their nights of revelry in a veneer of religious activities to assuage their conscience.

From what I have observed, tithing is good for those who are in the collecting end of the business, and bad for those who pay it.

The curse that was placed on boko haram by this pastor some years ago has proven to be as efective as trying to quench a raging volcano by pissing on it. The breath he used to utter that curse has since died while the evil atrocities of boko haram lives on until such time that our military forces are able and ready to defeat them for good.
Now that we know that bishop Oyedepo's curse is nothing but stinking hot air, why should we see his vague prophecy as any different?

how many bottles do you want, and how much are you willing to pay?

Is that your goddess? She looks kind of pretty.

lie lie unverified stories. Na today?

Other countries are using their national savings to raise the standard of living of their citizens by spending it on education, infrastructural improvement and investments in business and manufacturing plants.
But in Nigeria, a large part of our national savings in the form of tithes and offerings is held capitive by religious leaders who would rather splurge it in the acquisition of private jets, building of several luxury mansions and the construction of ever larger auditorium to seat more people in other to get more money.
A country where a large percentage of its citizens are daft enough to build churches and mosques before factories will always remain poor.
They cannot make good business decision if they are thought to believe that giving money to their pastor is an investment that will yeild a hundred fold increase from God.

"Islam is a religion of peace". This has to qualify as the biggest joke of this century. I wonder which comedian was the first to come up with the joke.

I doubt if a genuine muslim can fault what was said about islam in the article.

The op hasn't been seen on nairaland for over a year, I just hope he is alive and well, and the reason for his absence is just because of the shame he feels for being so wrong about oyedepo.

asalimpo:
u shud b more concerned about living in error thinkg ur livng in truth.
The substance tithed is irrelevant.
Jacob tithed, abraham tithed was abraham under the law?
No. The law was given to Moses not Abraham.
That destroys so many arguments if you still insist so you're deliberately choosing deception.
Abraham,is the Father of faith,an exampler to us all,
his tithing was done in faith.

Now, under the law the practice of tithing was explicitly COMMANDED but it didnt ORIGINATE with the law.

Lastly, the book of Hebrews 7 states specifically tht one of Jesus present ministry is to RECEIVE the tithe.

Y is this so if tithing is done away with?
The other arguments are simply smoke screens.

Abraham,didnt tithe but in his day to day life he didnt meet any High priest, he related directly with God. But wen he met one at salem he handed tithe in faith and the High priest Blessed him.

Tithing invites the blessing upon the tither, because of this blessing the Devourer and waster is rebuked. So tithing, is for the benefit of the tither not for their defraudment.

In a deeper level, tithng is a principle of invitation of God into one's affairs.
Abraham, dedicated Isaac to God by an attempted act of sacrifice. Abraham was human.
That action ,legally invited God into human affairs. If abraham refused to give his only begotten Son, God wud hav had no legal right to give Jesus. Just think of it.
Abraham "tithed" Isaac, though he didnt have ten Children.
Wen cities were captured by isreal, theyd dedicate one to God in some cases by either completely razing it down or placing its precious vessels in The temple.
After d dedication, isreal could then take and plunder the rest of the city for themselves.
Wen God created d world He reserved a day for Himself.
Wen God created the trees in Eden,He reserved one for Himself.
Wen God created the nations He reserved isreal for Himself.
The thing dedicated for God is used only for God's work.
E.g, the sabbath day was to b used for none secular work.
Tithing operates under similar principle. It's solely for God's work.
It is God's stake in ones finances and gives God legal grounds to prevent the devourer accessing ones finances. Tithing isnt sowing. Sowing is plantg seeds and you reap proportionally to ur sowing but while the seeds are growing they are open to d devourer waster . Tithng invites God in to sanctify d rest.

I have one word for you. Thief.

I agree that it would be difficult to implement a system that would curb the worlds population to be in line with the earth carrying capacity. I can just imagine every country arguing for a higher quota of the fixed global population one the life extension treatment becomes available to all countries.

@plaetton: It is for the reason of not unbalancing the ecosystem i metioned modelling the resulting human population in line with the carrying capacity of the biosphere.
To your other point, the technology that would enable us prolong our life span indefintely would also afford us the means of making gene rapairs and gene modification as need be.
Then lastly, we are not talking of immortality here, so the threat separating ones head from body would help to keep most people within the limits of what is socially acceptable.

asalimpo:
how did i do this?
The old testament isnt worthless in d new testament,not all of it.
So sayng because somthng is OT means it's done away is error.
Dyu know how many verses in the NT refer to the OT ?
Pauline epistles abound in this aspect and others.
Why would he do these,if OT scriptures were obsolete?

E.g.

Peter reminds readers to adhere to OT injunctions to watch their mouth if they want to see longer days..

Like i said, d issue is about tryng to give as little as possible while reaping as much as possible, tht's y selfsh folks are lookg for shortcuts.

By "give" I am sure you are refering to yourself and fellow pastors. What we give to our brothers and neighbours in need does not count if nothing touches your greedy hands.
Learn from apostle Paul. Go and find a regular job, it is very inconsiderate to offload not just the burden of your sustenance but of your needless ostentatious wants on people who struggle to meet their daily needs.

Weah96:
The article suggests that a lot of people would prefer to die rather than alter their pre-existing paradigm to that extent.

I'm dying to know who some of these people are, no pun intended.
Would any of our resident Christians or Muslims choose to live indefinitely on earth?

One fundamental aspect of my belief system as a christian is that it is only under God's kingdom headed by Jesus Christ that humans will finally have indefinely long lives, not by any other means.
So, if it happens that humans can now do what I hold "impossible", it would be proof enough that my belief is wrong, and perhaps there is no God. But it won't stop me from enjoing life forever.

Other than making a proper population growth model, and the optimum carrying capacity that the earth can sustain on renewable energy, I don't see the problem with living indefinitely if it can be done.
I don't believe that we are capable of doing it.