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1025:
this is what u get for saying the truth in any corrupt system. the world is so dirty that the few who say the truth are seen as the sinners. why is barca at the center of every controversy yr in, yr out?
something is wrong somewhere. it takes the courage of such bold coaches as mourinho to say it out.

What exactly is bold about crying foul after yu've been beaten fairly on the pitch? 

if he made these statement after it happened to another club e.g the dodgy call against RVP then he would have sounded more credible and everyone would agree that he spoke the truth but not now that its just sounding like sour grapes at being deservedly beaten after a negative and strong arm approach to the game.

dodgy refereeing  decisions go against every club at some point or the other as we all know and FIFA itself acknowledges its not a perfect system. All you can do is point it out when it happens as any reasonable manager would but to start building up conspiracy theories is plain silly and to bring UNICEF into it is utterly despicable. I wasn't surprised as Mourinho has always lacked class.

Dodgy decisions go a lot for Manure against Arsenal in virtually every game but Arsene has never alleged that the FA is favouring Fergie.

Psychic phenomenon has never been an exact science. Octopus Paul was spared the ignominy of false predictions by his quick death.

Paq-man all the way, I expect another Cotto like demolition job. Floyd will just keep runnin away.

debosky:
^^

I am not arguing for fun - not at all.

I've just exposed the warped mentality of some gooners here. They want to be 'right' above all else.

First they predict the team will perform woefully, when the team doesn't, they come up with a new reason to castigate the team. With due respect, Arsenal fans are masochists - even when their team does well, it's because the other team was bad, so there's nothing good in the win.

Its the D&G brigade, they dovetail very well with DK who is a sadist. Its a very good working arrangement.  

@MzDarkskin

All that write up is utter bull, there are women as insensitive as the most wicked man alive and there are men who couldn't hurt a fly so stop that generalisation.
The OP did play a dangerous game, she tried to be HARD but found out she was totally SOFT, if she wasn't she wouldn't care a hoot how she was dropped and could even come back with her own one liner of a status in response. According to the yorubas if you want to start eating cockroaches, you'd better make sure yu've got some liver cleansing medication. NSAs are not for the faint hearted.

@V3

Willain would be good too, nice combo of pace and power. He showed us when we played them away. Gervinho has just been immense for Lille this season and Turan's record of Assists and Goals for both club and country is insane, he is the main man at Galatasaray. I still can't understand why no club has gone for him, I expect he has a ridiculously high price tag put on him by Gala.

@dipo2much

I only want 1 or both of these guys:

1. Arda Turan
2. Gervinho

I no longer want Hazard, there are rumors that he is lazy, I don't want another Arshavin on our hands. Our  requirements are simple.

1. Pace in the final third
2. Proven ability to score and assist
3. A winning mentality
4. A decent workrate

[quote author=A-40 link=topic=613256.msg8229712#msg8229712 date=1304097383]@Duduspace
Exactly how much time are you willing to give Arsene? 5,10,15 or 20 years?[/quote]I'm tempted to say as long as it takes.

I think DK asked me the same question last season and I said 2 years so I'll still stick with that meaning 1 more season.

In the grand scheme of things, a balance has to be found at some point which would involve some major spending except we somehow develop our own "Messi".

I'm not really talking about trophies, there is really no excuse for not winning one this season, I'm talking about moving to the next level from consistently being in the top 4 to being in the top 2 on a consistent basis.
I'm more disappointed this season about how we fell away in the league at the latter stages than how we lost in the Carling Cup, the better team does not always win a particular game but the quality of a team will definitely come out over a season.

@proudly9ja

That kain research work you give me dey tire me  
but just to put things in perspective I'll just give some of the players that I know of.

Dani Alves cost 32m, David Villa cost 40m and Seydou Keita cost 14m while Mascherano cost 22m.
of those 4 only one of our recent purchases cost more than the least of them and that is Arshavin for about 16m.

nateevs:
Carlos Vela plays for Arsenal but I can conveniently say Connor Wickham is wayyyyyy better.
You get?

This one I take exception to, what cow dung have you been sniffing? have you taken a look at Vela's returns for West Brom? in his meagre appearances? I regret that Arsene decided to trust Rosicky's experience this season. Vela is still class and should have been given an opportunity to play for us this season.

dayokanu:
Which high line of defence did you play At Nou Camp vs Barca when its obvious to Stevie wonder that the ball was played in your own half and box 18?

Do you watch these games or you just sit down and form theories?

Stop talking rubbish jare DK, how person wan take park bus with Rosicky, Nasri, Wilshere and Diaby? abi na pikin toy bus you dey talk? are any of those players known as having any defensive nous whatsoever?  

When you make Pepe your DM and surround him with Diarra and Xabi Alonso, even my grandma will know what yu're about to do talk less of Refrees.

There is a difference between being forced back by your opponent and parking the bus jare. All your logic goes outta the window when discussing Arsenal.

@jencejyde

Astute analysis from someone who plays the game, I doff my cap. A friend of mine is if the opinion that apart from the general overall better quality and of course the alien they have playing for them , the major difference between Arsenal and Barca is our full backs. What Alves does for Barca is amazing, he keeps the right wing ticking when the wide forwards tuck in and so far no team has been able to use the space he leaves behind him.

The truth is that Arsene sees all these things but in all fairness what do you want the man to do? where is the money to go and change all those players you mention? I laugh when I hear people say things like "I'm not asking for a 50m signing" just enough to make us win. Look around people,  Andy Carroll cost 35m and I dare say, few managers out there get as much bang for the buck as Arsene, his track record is nigh impecabble in that regards, he has been trying to do just enough as y'all suggest (Arshavin, Vermaelen, Gallas and Koscielny) to name a few, it just hasn't been enough to get us over that line.  

The club has basically opted for evolution rather than instant mutation. He has basically tried to convince this group of players that they are good enough but unfortunately some of them aren't while some have just not pulled their weight this season. The reason why people blame Arsene is because he will never say his team is not capable of winning something and I prefer such a coach to someone who gives up like Martin O'Neill of Aston Villa just because the board/owner are not giving him money. Arsene believes he can bring youth through but he needs time to achieve it and I'm willing to give him that time.

This season is a bit different though because after a long time, we had a squad that wasn't at all far off from the other teams at the top but we still somehow contrived to mess up so badly when success seemed a lot closer, that is why I know there will definitely be changes in the summer.

Until Arsenal like Barcelona is able to grow between 60 - 70 % of its first team internally then topping off the team with some mega quality signings, we'll suffer for a while. Has anyone noticed the difference in quality, mentality and attitude already between those who arrived into our youth system before their 17th birthday (Cesc, Wilshere, Sczcesny) and those who arrived post 18 like (Denilson and Diaby)? the younger players are, the easier it is to mould them.

Some of those who arrived older are not necessarily lacking in technical ability but may not have the mentality to adapt. A good example is Denilson and Wilshere, I've personally followed Wilshere's career since he was about 15 and it is amazing that the most withdrawn role he has played before this season is in the hole, he never played as a CM/DM at youth level but played mostly as ACM and RF but he has taken to it like duck to water this season and not looked out of place while Denilson is still finding it difficult to adapt to a DM role after 3 seasons in the top flight.

nateevs:
This philosophy doesn't mature from manufacture in one single season.
It means you have got to be prepared to lose games and trophies and be unsuccessful for a long while.
Your first team all the way down to your under 6 kids have to play that way.

So even a rival fan understands what our club is trying to do but a good number of our own fans cannot see it?

Jencejyde:
ahahahha, abeg Dudu you no kill me oh! which one is the pompous one again oh! hahahha!

Nor mind me jare, I hate the way the English press fall over themselves about the chap. Great tactician no doubt but not my type of manager lai-lai doesn't develop players, always plays negative and so ungracious either in victory or defeat. If all coaches were like Jose, I would stop watching the sport. How can you have that amount of talent and come up against Barca so negatively and then complain about cards? Should football really be more about stopping your opponent from playing as to playing yourself? 

Pray I ask, what business is it of anyone how much Arsene gesticulates on the touch line?
Arsene Knows and this team will definitely get there.

Jencejyde:
Anyways thats a forgone issue, but to think that for all the money spent on madrid and that is what they could offer on home soil. Phew! Its a pity!

That is what you get with "The pompous one", like someone said yesterday, Puskas and co will be turning in their graves.

Vermaelen in line for a return in final reserve game against Manure tomorrow. A little too late but we might end up with the reserve league trophy this season. 
We are top with 1 game to go and 4 points ahead of Chelsea who have 2 games in hand.
I've now turned my support to the reserves and the Female gooners, all that the first team can do is ensure they win all our remaining games.

Strange, Welbeck's goals record at championship level wasn't impressive. in about 12 apps I think he scored only twice for Preston, though he was injury plagued. I actually thot he wasn't that good then cos JET got 5 from 12 then without even playing as a striker. His physique alone makes him more suited for the PL than Sturridge though.

nateevs:
Fabio Borini scores twice for Swansea.

That boy has been banging em in like anything with Swansea, the loan dey sweet am wella. nor be 6 goals in 7 games be dat?

dayokanu:
Bayern and Chelsea still won doubles last yr.

When was the last time Arsenal won?

Old things have passed away, behold all things have become new.    

Interpretation: We are in the same boat this season, thats all that matters. Go find somewhere nurse your wounds leave us make we sef grieve for our season. 

all these busybody people sef, Arsenal don suffer. Even popeye dey tell us say we nor fit win league when himself never guarantee 4th place for him club. 

dayokanu:
Didnt you tell us Clichy, Denilson and co were Arsenal youths?

Now we have a category of Real Arsenal youth and Unreal Arsenal youth?

Better take Gammalin 20 to cure your delusion before it kills you.

Sharrap jare make we hear word, na every Mumunich youngster make am? na all mumunich youngster wey play for first team become superstar? Denilson has been overtaken by Wilshere who is younger and also from the youth academy so what exactly is your point? are they not talking already about replacing people like Badstuber and your young keeper in Munich? didn't even your precocious youngsters like Kroos and Lahm come up short for Mumunich this season?
Denilson and Clichy came through the youth ranks true, they have shown this season and over time that they are either not good enough or unsuitable for purpose but there are still so many others who came through the same youth system who are good enough and are suitable for purpose.

@Debo

Make we leave board members boarded up in their boardroom jare, some players have shown their hand this season and must be shown the way out.

I would have even preferred playing real youth instead of what the likes of[b] Almunia, Rosicky, Denilson, Arshavin, Eboue and Clichy[/b] served up this season. At least, if we were playing Vela and JET we could say they were young and growing but the whole reason for keeping all those experienced flops was to not put pressure on the upcoming players and to allow these ones who have been at it for some years now finally come good.

At the end of it all, 3 of them are out of the team without our even buying anyone yet while 2 of them have become bench warmers and don't seem disturbed by that while the 6th is only there because of his understudy's injury problems. These flops caused the wahala this season cos they could not even be depended upon to achieve results when the first teamers needed to be rested, we still had to bring Cesc in and play him unfit atimes just becos those other players could not be depended upon.

For sure Cesc has underperformed this season, even his stats bear that out but he can hide behind his unusually troublesome hammy this season, what exactly is the excuse for people like Rosicky and Arshavin?

Oun to be wu elenu lo le fi enu e so.  

This summer will be bloody at Arsenal, Arsene really believed this team had come of age but some of the players he counted on decided not to turn up, it is so bad that some of them are not even making the bench these days.

There might not be so many players coming in but there will definitely be a considerable number going out. I'm undecided if Monsieur Clichy is deserving of a new contract and let nobody come and tell us how Cesc will leave in the summer, if some club brings better money even he is not unsellable and he would do well to stop giving silly interviews twisted or not, he doesn't have to open his mouth at all.

The only unsellables at Arsenal presently are RVP, Wilshere, Nasri and Sagna, everyone else who survives the cull would do well to work hard over the summer and turn up with better performances next season and also learn to keep their mouth shut until after they've won something.

So, its finally over. Disappointing season and some tough decisions coming over the summer.

nateevs:
Oh! Suddenly it's the 70m that revived our season eh?
Only from a gunner's keyboard!

When you were spewing sh.it about how it's not money that matters, it was credible. Now it's money that matters.

Everyone here knows that the 70m has not turned Chelsea's fortunes for good. We went out of form and regained form. 70m or not. After all, our 50m striker has not even scored a goal.

You'd better not rejoice too soon, even if money revives this season, your wahala remains in store for you and can only be prolonged so much with Roman's money but will surely come. Do you realize that Arsene has not spent up to the 70m onyou spent to revive your season on transfers over the scratched record 6 years the media continue to trumpet? 

You say its your form that has returned and maybe yu're right but do you know how many important goals David Luiz has scored for you since he joined? I can clearly remember his performance against manure if your memory is so short and even if Torres isn't scoring, he has lit up a fire under Drogba's A*ss.

I never said money doesn't work magic mind you, I've only pointed out that it's effects don't last and that assertion still stands till the day after tomorrow.

FBS:
^^^ de Viewer is no longer denying the "correctness" of the article. . . . him no even wan discuss am again.
Now he is saying that, they (Don Balon) did not send him a copy before it went on print. Its like they had an agreement of some sort.

“I stand by my claim 100%," Wenger replied. "We had an agreement they had to send us copy for approval and it was not done.

"I maintain completely that they did not respect our agreement. The article in itself I do not
want to discuss."

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/910037/don-balon-hits-back-at-arsene-wenger-in-cesc-fabregas-row?cc=5739

Na you sef dey twist words now? how do those 2 portions in bold agree?   
you say he is no longer denying the correctness of the article yet post a direct quote which says he stands by his claim. Are you perchance a Balon journalist? 

he has better things to discuss than giving an unreasonable magazine and journalist any more of his attention like how we win our next game, what more is there to discuss in the article? The same Journalists have been telling us Cesc will leave for the last 3 years yet he has not. I wouldn't be surprised if Cesc starts next season again with Arsenal. The general tone of the article was of someone who is prepared to stay.

presido1:
Don Balon, the mag that intervied Fab4 hit back at wengey claim that Fab4 interview was twisted. Now they have released an audio version of the interview.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1379411/Don-Balon-hit-Arsene-Wengers-claims-twisted-interview-Cesc-Fabregas.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

Many more revelations in there. Arsenal are in crises and i don't see Fab4 going another yr since he told the mag that AW plays him out of position.

Have you listened to the interview yourself? 
is it only Arsene who says Cesc's words were twisted? what did Cesc himself say?

Interesting derby game, this boiz nor go kill person. It is nigh amazing that there is still an opportunity to win this league and totally incredible that Chelsea for whom funerals had been conducted are in there with an opportunity to win it, well 70m is not a bad price to pay to rejuvenate your season but where the hell is Arsenal going to get that from?

Well, if everyone believes Chelsea has a chance to win this, then I will keep believing we've got a chance too, it is clear that these boys want to do it, time will tell if they end up doing it. I'd rather have these nervy moments than to be far away from the top and not competing at all.

slimshay:
Erm DK, mister i won double last season, how is europa league? What do you people even do there sef?

Dem luck don turn, dem finally fit struggle make UCL qualifiers, but I wouldn't be surprised if Young Boys knock them out during the qualifiers. 

@Slim
Shey na you dey convene the holy convocation to pour libation? e don tey small wey mass celebrations occur for this thread. Abeg wey my girdle abi na amure the Cele people dey call am.

Trust some peeps to get high over some twisted statements.

I hope you also know that in the same interview, he said he was responsible for Arsenal losing to Barca? does that mean that he is also one of those who lack a winning mentality?   or how exactly does that translate to losing out due to player development?   mind you, one of the best players in Arsenal this season has been a 19 year old and those who have messed up most have been the likes of Rosicky, Arshavin, Eboue  and dare I say Cesc himself who are not players in development.

While I know Cesc is a damned good player, he has no right pointing fingers and I doubt he was pointing any fingers in this interview, trust the media to twist everything that comes out of the club.

EDIT: While we speak, he is already twitting that his words have been twisted:

@cesc4official Cesc Fabregas Incredible that people try and twist everything to make headlines. Arsene Wenger has had a huge impact on me and my career. Great man.

slimshay:
If young is the way I think young is. . . . . .they will give Wilshere the award twice before they mention the next nominee. Failing which, Chicharito should just take it for the sheer audacity of his stats.

Now, how did I forget this chap?

Hleb on loan next season anyone? I think he'll be a good addition (as backup of course) surely can't be as bad as Rozza was this season.

[quote author=Mr_TA link=topic=613256.msg8153595#msg8153595 date=1303122998]You really think Wilshere did not deserve young player of the year? He was miles ahead of anyone his age. Definitely 100% deserved[/quote]ahead of Nasri and Nani No way.
Maybe its got to do with the age band being too wide or something but if both Nasri and Wilshere go up for the same award, in terms of contribution to the team this season, I'd give it to Nasri everytime.
True that Jack has been exceptional for his age, but that award?? wouldn't vote him ahead of Nasri or Nani.