₦airaland Forum

tundamartin:

Are you by any chance suggesting that Nigerians abroad should not join in the discussion on how to punish maladministration among the leadership? Those who vent anger are paid or hired supporter? Are you sure you are not under the influence?

she is the one that attacked me for my views on how the punishment should go... she seems hell bent on shielding people prior to 5yrs ago... so I started wondering
Besides that she was making comments like she was on the ground... while all the while she was behind a pc in norway or somewhere else... my point is there is a difference between those who feel the pinch and the media that reports it that she reads. I have no beef with her, whatever puts food on the table is ok

mustafo:
So na so you dey think from d ars.e?
U wan make ur uncle badluck go free with naija billions because of dat small change wey u dey get, abi?
Na lie u lie!

and you're supposed to be thinking with your brain... and you wonder why they say if you want to hide something from black men, hide it in long sentences and books.
read my post again, smash your head with a stick and reboot your brain
Where did I say gej should be let go?
I repeat my statement again for the brainless- probe everything and everybody, not only our new scapegoat gej
No further comments

veralech:

I know people like you fear their own shadow. See how you are making wild allegations about 'Veralech'. I advise you to check her internet address before you start calling everyone duplicate or frauds like you and GEJ. I begin to reflect and it has dawned on me that perhaps this is what you do on-line. You are also known as 'neocortex'?

As for your desperate and grubby utterance, suffice it to say that I don't reside in Nigeria and I belong to no party but feel strongly about laying waste to Nigeria. I don't earn my living in Nigeria and tax is not an issue for me, little young old man! [b][/b]

Hahahahaha @ little young old man ... nice, thats a nice compliment, I'm sure you meant something worse... you were the first to resort to personal insults in your replies and i'm not suprised that you angrily believe everyone must align and agree with your views ...so you're living and paying tax abroad but you have triple sense to know more than the people hustling on the streets of nigeria abi? And you question their frustration because it suits you to stay on the other side where things flow to a degree and standards are enforced, shield your own side of the corrupt crew and accuse me of defending one of them, gej, who i dont give a shiit about.Or are you earning your living online as a paid supporter ? Anyway, stick to what you know best which is were you earn your living... media tales are dangerous in nigeria, always try to have eyes on the ground...goodluck

ayobabas:
[b]Your subterfuge is as confused as the noise made by a goat after the butcher's knife had sunk past the windpipe! If crimes allegedly committed 50 years ago are not probed, GEJ should not. To do so would be to make a scapegoat out of him!

PDP and GEJ's inhuman running of the country to the ground is a monument to greed and breach of faith.
Common-sense tells you that it is best to process a crime scene while it is fresh.
Even his former ministers are dissing him and co-operating to unearth the gravity and enormity of stealing that went on.

You want the government to lose focus and start digging from almost 60 years ago.
A sane man would not put two palm kernels in his mouth at the same time and attempt to chew them together.

The investigation and probe must be accomplished this time around otherwise future corrupt government will cite being a scape-goat since GEJ's excesses were not probe. Your reasoning is not standard nor healthy to building a just and efficient country.[/b]

God! abeg how many times i go tell una... go ahead and probe GEJ abeg abeg, do whatever pleases you... start the fire that will engulf your masters too, with the way things are people will latch on to the probe wind and we will see the outome... i think it is what i want... like i care about GEJ... i just want my money, i pay tax ... i represent true change

goodnight

ayobabas:
The truth according to your whim? You reason across-purpose. Be your age!

hahahaha... frustration is setting in abi because this thread wasn't the Nigerian heehaw race course you expected it to be? your other moniker 'veralech' that you have been using to support yourself has been rebuked... you can go away now and leave us Nigerians that want to think without party affiliations and who is involved alone...please

veralech:

If truth be told, you are an unprincipled dogmatic doormat of PDP pretending to know it above all else.
You hate Nigeria, you hate accountability and above all your egocentricity is a festering sour.
Your writings are nothing to take home. Your moronic sputter about causes of failing exam is double-Dutch.
You are the biggest failure of all, dumb-ass jerk! [color=#990000][/color]

i was expecting you to finally label me pdp...usually i dont argue with apc paid hacks...i could detect you a mile off, the people that refuse to implicate their masters that are part and parcel of destroying this country, everything is seen from prism of party, ethnicity and who is involved...and you had the effrontery to bring you paid ass here disguised as a patriot...fraud

you have sold your soul to devils!!! now go away so i can discuss with well meaning Nigerians...there are other sections to go post your propaganda and attempt to convince Nigerians to think like how your party wants us to in this animal farm situation

veralech:
According to your utopia, stealing or fraud should be dis-criminalized. Reasons? GEJ is not alone, everybody has done it too even if it was a kobo!

What arrant nonsense! Can you point out any perfect country in the world? None! Yet they still prosecute thieves.

Truth be told, you are full of hot air derived from your hatred of obodo Nigeria.

That being so, I wonder why you have not denounced your citizenship and move out to your own country?

my dear, i love this country more than you, i will die and be buried in my village, i know myself down to my roots... but i will not lie. there is no perfect country, but everybody is trying to head there while we are heading the other way... a lot have jumped ship, i didn't because i am optimistic the tide will change but with each passing year indices drop and i wonder...hmmmm
i never said anything about dis-criminalizing stealing or fraud...where did i say that? please dont quote me out of context...read properly then comment...
i said all retrieval of loot must go back... we need to clean stables from way back, from where we veered of the right track, we need to discuss our mistakes and reflect or else history will keep repeating itself as it is currently... no bad deed must go unpunished, criminals from the 60s who fled are still being apprehended by the law in so many other countries...why is ours different? why must only GEJ's name be in the media while other thieves are let go... our stolen money is in trillions not billions, wake up and realize you have been convinced to focus in one direction, the direction they (the stealing elite) want... towards their scapegoat, the so called jesus of otuoke...hahahaha

let us start from from the beginning, we need to probe everything and recover everything
while you're at it, remember to hustle and pay your taxes...remain patriotic

veralech:
What percentage of Nigerians had any access to the national cake under PDP and Jonathan? Only a cabal of his, and see how impoverished we have been rendered. Nothing works! Everything is at a standstill on top of the $63 billion debt. We don't see any infrastructural improvements to our health, roads, education or quality of life. The biggest question is where is our $50 billion fraudulently stashed away? We must find it pronto!!

As for you calling Nigeria names, she must pass laws to imprison saboteurs and inbred enemies.

typical Nigerian, response to you problem is to pass laws that will clamp down on people who say the truth and don't agree with your narrow views...smh...later you will say abacha was bad... every solution should be in a decree, buhari style
hellooooo...for your information...nothing has been working for a long time except that i have more access to internet and others, wake up from your dream or else you didn't see the 80s and 90s. I agree things have been bad and goodluck was not a decisive president but this 'Goodluck is responsible for all our Nigerian woes' is delusional and ill informed. no improvement in health, roads?ok o...i know the road to the east from lagos improved considerably and other stories... all your roads built in the 60s abi?
besides that oil exporting countries are in crisis all over the world...get ready for more shit sine the iran deal has been done.
and the way you guys throw figures around... all sorts of billions, now its 50billion again ba... delusional people

ayobabas:
Oga, abi dem no teach u to obey and respect your country for primary school? See as u dey spit filthy scum about our beloved country! Shame, Mr failure!!

the implicated culprits coming to spit curses and sermonize as usual while claiming change in public... just wait till we turn to somalia o, as the bombs continue to go off its not far... face the truth and confront it, the shame is on your, grown ass fellow in denial, that's why people fail exams repeatedly, they fail woefully and tell others the teacher failed them or the lecturer is after them... i reiterate that there's 'mess mess failure' all around... we can start from there and work up...i love my country and i embrace it despite it faults, but will call a spade a spade unlike you sugar coaters...thanks

gibsonpally:
You live in the past. You are seething with resentment and briming with uncontrollable bitterness. You are no doubt a failure too as part of a failed country. That you see your life as having no meaning, it does not mean that the country should do the same thing. Rather, it will clean up its act whether the likes of you want it or not. That everybody is a thief, nobody should be probed for theft. What manner of a man are you? Watch it! Your bitterness will eat you up.

Hahaha... i dey my office dey laff una dey count my small earned change... so bitterness ko? I guess that taking responsibility is not your style... and if you have been dulling at work or ever given or taken a bribe in this country, you are complicit in getting us to were we are now, so don't act too holy like and start thinking wishfully about cleaning up. cleaning up requires serious effort and part of of it is knowing the full extent of filth and saying the truth as it is...not just shouting 'change!!!' and heaping all responsibility on poor buhari our new blame mascot while you waltz off not being aware of not paying taxes and other unknown crimes we commit on a daily basis which cant happen in other countries. More than 3/4 of the people in nigeria dont know what tax is... and if you hsvent paid tax, you have no stake in this country's wealth...simple... that is the filth and failure I'm talking about
... and i ask what is wrong with being bitter self? Its heartbreaking, just like it is evident on nairaland- when all the supposed youth, our leaders of tomorrow in this country are half baked, cant speak english and clueless about what real politics is rather than the banditry and party clubs we have here.
Wake up and be vigilant, tell yourself hard truths before you can start telling others... The change starts from you, not buhari

Imagine what is causing anxiety in Rome in link below then u wonder were our own sense of wrong or right drifted to
http://www.businessinsider.com/rome-is-on-the-verge-of-collapse-according-to-its-chamber-of-commerce-president-2015-7

gibsonpally:
The excuses you have given for the massive fraud committed against the poor people of Nigeria by GEJ government because others had done it in the past is like pig meat that has gone sour.

We have caught GEJ government in the act of a most unimaginable looting of national treasury and we have the best chance of recovering some of them because it is recent and therefore easily traceable.

and if you think you are were you are solely because of GEJ, you are lost...the whole of Nigeria is one mass of filth and mess ups, a pile of uncorrected mistakes and issues from the past await us...we are where we are because my ancestors, your ancestors, all our forebears, you, me and other citizens of Nigeria FAILED... we are one mass failure both in attitude, commitment to work and productivity and integrity...all we want is to take a cut of the national cake without actually contributing to it...hilarious country

gibsonpally:
The excuses you have given for the massive fraud committed against the poor people of Nigeria by GEJ government because others had done it in the past is like pig meat that has gone sour.

We have caught GEJ government in the act of a most unimaginable looting of national treasury and we have the best chance of recovering some of them bacause it is recent and therefore easily traceable.

read my statements again and tell me where the excuses are... go ahead and probe the new scapegoat that looted (GEJ). but the moral of my story if you could reason through it without being fixated on the GEJ blame game was that looting of enormous proportions had occurred in previous governments, there were antecedents to the recent GEJ phenomenon, he didn't just pop out of the sky, he had worthy forefathers... there just wasn't internet and freedom of speech back then, and the media was well regulated in military regimes... ever head of the missing billion back then during the 70s and 80s from the windfall due to the wars in the gulf? do you know what 1 billion dollars back then is worth now?
like i said, do whatever makes you happy...fixate and run only after GEJ (your most recent looter as scapegoat) like you had been media indoctrinated to, i support you... while you let those pointing fingers at him that also have tax payer's money stashed in their pockets go all in the name of party affiliations and change agents...smh

Stupid news!

If indeed his family member is being held by boko haram, then he shouldn't be nsa because that will potentially compromise him or make people question the motive behind gis decisions... the 2 bad sides if he remains as nsa is that he may manipulated via his relation or fights with emotions and makes hasty irrational decisions... this is not a fight with emotions

ayobabas:
If you are denying PDP misrule and massive looting of the national treasury over 16 years is responsible for the present dire situation then you are truly in self-denial. Regardless that the actors of the political parties changed parties, we blame the party responsible and their chief actors. In this instance, there are no bigger culprits than GEJ and his sycophants, including ministers.

yeah yeah...there is it, the same tape 'GEJ is responsible for all our problems since 1970'... keep living in denial because you have the most media bashed president as scapegoat, the looting has been steady my friend since inception of this country and if you want to probe anybody, start from the beginning and stop cowardly saying 6yrs...who you dey fear beyond 6yrs? IBB? Abacha? abdulsalami? buhari? gowon? i guess thy're all formidable people in nigerian society and they are amongst the crowd of several other looters, including those shouting change or not... i guess abacha's loots that emerge from the woodwork every week are from holdings in nicaragua, or IBB ...for IBB i dont need to say anything and obj who was in penury after jail probably had a well that he filled with money in the 70s or stella keep his grandfathers personal fortune for him and tinubu is a billionaire because he is smart or lagos state is his private property...think again, look beyond parties, call it tax payers' money and you will see how all your heros fare on that charge. thanks

1adewoye:
Are you in self-denial? PDP has ruled this country for the last 16 years. Which party brought Nigeria to this debacle? If anything, you are the dogmatic one for denying reality.

guy, i am not exactly young and i have live much more beyond the last 16yrs to know that parties are not responsible for where we are now, and it has been the same names revolving over and over again... you guys see everything through the eyes of party versus party while in actual fact its just a re-packaged camp of one set of the same culprits versus the other... as we the populace get sodomised and ffff-ed over and over again... then their children replace them... while we, the ff-ed are not any better, we dont even treat or regard ourselves well in nigeria to talk off... approach a typical nigerian and he wants his back patted or palms greased for doing his job... and these same mentally deranged masses want change...smh.. mental change or window dressing?

mariamjane:
You have missed the point!
You are condoning fraud that has brought this great nation to her kneels with your laboured but whimsical justification. You can bet prison is awaiting those thieves in PDP that bankrupted the country.

who said i'm condoning fraud? i am just saying that his claims are currently unsubstantiated and he should shut the hell up till they are... simple. and for your information, forget that your media propaganda-induced indoctrination about thieves only being in PDP... think again and review the guys in apc, no difference... the noisy neighbours in man city just won man united, Nigerian parties are nothing more like clubs for crooks

adoinem:
Your tolerance to fraud is based on feelings for GEJ and Okonjo.

These two together with Diezani had robbed this country blind as to incapacitate normal payment of workers' salaries.

In time, the enormity of theft will be explained to Nigerians just as feelers are suggesting upward of $50 billions was siphoned.

How obscenely greedy and depraved these so-called leaders could aspire while millions of Nigerians wallow in abject poverty without food, good roads, hospitals, schools or security!

and your feelings also told you that oshiomole is the best nigerian governor with state funds that dont have his fingerprints all over them. he's been rattling figures of recent, different unconfirmed figures each week like he's trying to recover money to settle his own debts or cover his tracks after he left his state in his mess, trying to divert attention. i dont know anything about okonjo but i rather wait for organised info not shouting like a market woman in the media and besides that, his wailing is suspicious, especially since this osun state debt wahala... he should sue or just shut the eff up

mystage:
bro i take this your comment insultive to my person and personality so am not gonna reply your view either its concreate and constructive or not. but have it in mind that you are not talking to a one state guy your imagination think i am. you knw why? because have not only visited lots of states in nigeria bt hv also reside there. e.g lagos, ondo strt ogba, opposite the catholic church; obia-kpor in river state, jalingo taraba state, i was born in asaba, grew up in patani nd auchi nd once stayed in warri for 2yrs. so i tink i deserve some respect frm u.
#LetLoveLead

bros, I didn't mention your name o but since you answered the call, no problem ... I felt some of your posts were being violent, no insult intended... just saying oshiomole has lots of logs of wood in his eyes which he has to remove first... simple

laudate:
Guy, I wish you could write proper structured sentences, instead of this shorthand form that you put up here. Sometimes, it is hard to grasp your points because of all the abbreviations you have used.

Yes, Edo State's allocation is lower than those of other states. But whatever funds any state gets, should be judiciously used for the benefit of its citizens.

No one is asking Oshiomhole to construct a stadium if that is NOT what the people need. But if there is another project that they require to improve their lives, then he needs to get it done.

GO TV, AIT and CHANNELS TV are owned by private entrepreneurs. They were NOT set up by Oshiomhole. It is not clear from your post what role he played in getting them to set up offices in Benin, or extend their signals to Edo State. It is the National Broadcasting Commission (NBC) that allocates frequencies and licenses to private companies that wish to broadcast or set up TV stations in any state, not the governor. You need to state what industries (not TV stations, oh!) he has attracted to Edo State, and how many jobs he has created during his tenure as governor. Peter Obi managed to attract SABMiller the brewery giant to Anambra State when he was governor and that alone, created over 2,500 jobs within the state. He gave the company huge tracts of land at very reduced rates, and provided them with all the approvals they needed to get established within record time. His revenue allocation from the federal purse was less than what accrues to Edo State. He also invested govt funds in setting up Orient refinery that would soon start producing oil in Anambra State, once they are able to resolve the border issues they have with their neighbouring communities. Think of all the jobs that would be created when this becomes a reality.

With respect to schools, I beg to differ with you. It is the job of any responsible government to fund and equip public schools in their territory. It is also their job to repair roads and drainages. That is what they were elected to do with taxpayers money. In other countries, if they fail to do this, the governor would be voted out immediately or public demonstrations would break out as people troop to the streets to protest his inefficiency. If state funds have been misused or diverted during his tenure, with no corresponding projects to show for it, then he is arraigned before a competent court of law and thrown in jail, if found guilty of misapropriation of funds...

It is only in Nigeria, that when state governors do what they are supposed to do, or what is normally their primary responsibility, that we hail them and praise them to high heavens. Whose job is it to equip the schools and repair the roads? Is it my own job? Have you ever heard anyone extolling the virtues of any mayor in London or America, for equipping a public primary school??!

With respect to the way he addressed the gully erosion, that is a good one. He should embark on more of such projects.

I am waiting for you to tell me what else Oshiomhole has done with respect to healthcare, provision of water supply, creation of jobs and power infrastructure projects in Edo State. Thank you.

200 likes for a rational answer devoid of violence unlike someone else accusing people of talking about where they have not been to but has not left benin ever... I have been to benin recently and was not impressed too despite all the noise, I'm yet to see any new thing apart from planting flowers and constructing ring road... and they drive like devils in benin!

Toktee:
If at ur age you cannot speak the truth,den,i guess u will do dat in ur grave

Is your own truth hidden? The OP has a long post here with some facts... talk your own

ComradeAbu:
"HYPOCRISY is when you didn't vote for #PMB
but expect change in one
month......... LUNACY is when you expect #PMB
to do in 6 months what
GEJ failed to do in 6 years."

Maybe buhari should have shut his effing mouth prior to taking over... his rhetoric about the economy, missing billions yet to be found (the issue has suddenly died), leading the war against Boko haram and solving the fuel scarcity lead to all this... this govt came with the propaganda of 'change' so things should be done differently as expected and not to be behaving exactly like pdp and using propaganda to try and continue to hoodwink us post elections

All I see on this thread are people lying about the power supply... and I keep asking whether they are in australia.
paid hacks!!! Propaganda everywhere... God will judge you all
That's how some people nearly fought me for saying the fuel scarcity never abated in lagos since handover, all we have are marketers maintaining the scarcity by doing flash sales intermittently... liars finding it hard to stop lying now they're in power

Nigerians are just so gullible that it hurts.... and the public show of cutting their irrelevant salaries continue while they sit over billions that they can easily dip hands into and get away with it... smh...

omooba969:
@bolded,

I wonder if u really understood my drift wit regards to d UK party principles&practice analogy which I cited. To be honest, I reckon wit ur expectations & agitation likewise but my reason for pointing out d UK analogy is for d purpose of general overview. Mind u, european style of politicking is quite different frm dat of africa by reason of geo-political formations, therefore it wud be unfair to examine 9ja's polity by d european standard or entertain ur kind of expectations. Of course, u & I knw dat sectionalism & godfatherism is so rife in 9ja politics n to nurture ur kind of expectations is to expect a peugeot 504 to do d job of a ferrari simply because they r both driven by d same driver(datz impossible).

U also mentioned dat APC party NEC appointed candidates & dat they av broken d law, my question is-- is dis d first time candidates r being appointed for political offices in 9ja political parties & wot law av they broken? Crude politicking has always bin d norm in 9ja which causes disaffection in some quarters. I hope u can still remember wen PDP moved some state primaries to Abuja in d build up to elections, was dat in line wit party principles, practice or any constitution?

Lastly, u mentioned dat d independence of d Senate can not be compromised, well itz there for all to c dat d Senate has been compromised already frm inception; d processes which brought abt d Senate leadership was fundamentally flawed. Every institution in 9ja is compromised !

Welcome bck home bro!

Hahaha... thanks but I've been around

omooba969:
Thanks for taking out time to reply & I understand where u r coming frm. U need to knw dat even in europe e.g UK, d conservative govt wud not dare disregard nor frustrate party principles talk less of going against set rules...same as d democrats in yankee. One thing we need to learn is allowing systems to wrk once itz ratified by all.

PMB has an argument there wen he ask those robbers called governors to pocket their list of nominees. He wud not be allowed to choose commissioners for dem so why shud they be running to him wit some list of fuu.ckers. we need to be rational wen addressing sensitive issues. PMB doesn't av to do things hw itz always bin done, we r all different.

On d issues of those making noise, they knw wot they r fighting for. There's a party manifesto which was made known to public & there is party constitution which governs APC, there r also laid down rules which every1 is aware of & must adhere to. No 1 can be greater than d party just as a part can neva be greater than d whole.

I dont think you really convinced us all with your uk party analogy. The party principles in the uk are ideological not imposition of unpopular leaders. Intra-party democracy is firm in the uk and thrives on lobbying, popularity, capabilities and support and not the party nec appointing candidates. The apc has broken the law by making this whole debacle public and insulting the trust of the people. They have sadly shown they are learners in this game, losers dont accept losses and reclign to move the nation forward.
...and about the party constitution, the people's constitution over rules it and the indepence of the Senate cannot be compromised... the legislators were elected and represent their constituencies and not the apc. What the parties should be bothered about is a drift in a common focus and ideology... sadly in nigeria, our parties are associations of prostitutes, fraudsters etc with their ideologies represented by brooms, umbrellas, chickens etc... at the sign of the mascot or logo, all is explained...hahaha

trillville:
It did not start with the fall in oil prices, it started with our failure to save money when oil was over 100 dollars per barrel. The effects of this situation could have been drastically reduced if we had a sensible government in place in the last 5 years.

D clothe don already tear finish, na cold wey dey catch you, naim you dey feel now.

We all failed as a country to save, we cant all absolve ourselves of blame, right from the oil boom of the 70s, we got it wrong and are still getting it wrong now... since we are so divided along party and ethnic lines and cant really hold politicians accountable. For now, what has happened has happened, looking back wont solve anything.... we're not finished yet, let us start holding government accountable and start critically assessing everything and creating awareness instead of them versus us kind of statements.
if this country sinks, its us that will be left behind, the political class will abscond with their loot

I understand that the limitations are painful but any sensible government will do all that is in it's power and start early to impose sanctions when it foresees calamity because they will still get blamed in the end anyway. Our recent strains started with the fall in oil price and is being worsened by the fact that we are a country of importation.
If you think we're suffering, study the current situation in greece where you can withdraw beyond a certain limit from the bank due to austerity measures... and you then ask yourself whether we should be allowed to drift to that point because we want financial freedom. A stitch in time they say, saves nine.
I know the politicians are carting away money but the cbn must do what it must regardless of what the international plunderers want... china called them bluff and look at where they are...
just my 2cents, I dont know all

handie:
You say bureaucrats but they are experts in their fields and they've attained the positions they currently occupy due to spending years in a ministry/government establishment practising what they learnt in school

Your view but I disagree though... and you wonder why we seek ministers with experience in certain organisations. Perm secs are administrative posts, they run the ministry, push the papers and carry out the last instructions. Ministers bring the policy drive of any government into play or else the day to day activities of the ministry remain in safe auto-pilot mode
... just my view though
My view of a technocrat is someone that has the know how and intricate details eg a computer guru in technology ministry, an innovative renowned engineer in works etc... just like steve jobs in apple and how he ran the company

handie:
Sometimes, you have to let go of sentiments and see issues objectively. Permanent secretaries not technocrats? I thought I've heard it all.

what is your definition of the term 'technocrat'?
Permanent secretaries sound more like bureaucrats...

Hehehe...and the cookie continues to crumble ... thanks apc for making news worthwhile of recent

Saharareporters! Are they now buhari's news agency... this is the 3rd or 4th privy news in 24hrs
Hmmm