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Dangote has finished his graduate driver program and the ripples are yet to die down after the realisation that even PhD holders applied, and now bus conductors...God! Not in my country. Take away this plague of corruption so that we'll not perish.

AkinPhysicist:
Don't be silly. Nowhere in my posts did I claim I had definite knowledge of the origin of the Ogbas. The reality is nobody does and hence we must respect the oral tradition of the Ogbas themselves. My contention with your colleague is that he insists that he has independent "third party" irrefutable research as evidence that the Ogbas did not originate from Bini and have always be Igbos. When I demanded he provide this research he became even more evasive exposing himself as an empty suit.

On the contrary. I not only exposed your colleague as intellectually dishonest. I was able to show that he claims independent research that he is unable to provide. If someone declares himself an IPOB, what is wrong in addressing him as such?


Again, on the contrary I started well and ended even better. The posts are up there for every objective nairalander to peruse. I don't expect an Igbo-centric mind like yours to be objective.


Assuming you are not making up stories then lets reason together: definition of mainly - for the most part; predominantly; So even right from the gate, you are already suggesting that there are non-Igbo elements in Ogba culture. So, since this non-Igbo elements are not of Bini (according to you) can you kindly describe them so we can be able to ascertain their origin or origins? Thank you.

Very simple. Two words: cultural assimilation.


This is a conspiracy theory. And even if I accept your theory, it does not negate the Ogbas insistence that they originate from Bini.


I would GLADLY do it all over again - few things give me more pleasure than exposing empty intellectual suits.

When you start a conversation/ argument with " Don't be Silly" , I immediately know your type but I have forgiven you because we are not mates. I don't know who you call my colleague neither do I know you, but I will be honest with you, the subject matter you are delving into is beyond you. Not sure you have travelled beyond Niger bridge but it will be nice if you learn and be wise.

Next, you will call me IPOB or Nnamdi KANU or Biafra, ...such an infectious disease that beclouds reasoning, you know the name of the disease. Let it not drown you.

24SEVEN:
@bolded, knowing that every ethnic group existed separately by their individual clan names before the coming of the Whiteman, it is now safe to deduce that any member of those Amalgamated clans who still retains that identity foisted on him by the british is an Igboman... and those who have reverted back to their original identity are henceforth no longer Igbos.

@2nd bolded... Once again, im not holding brief for the Ogbas but they have their ancestral history passed down to them by their forebears which they freely express and you have no right to contest their ancestry as you arent directly disenfranchised by them. Union is not by force.

As I have said before, they are free to chose any tribe to belong to whether today or in future, but their "original identity", word I borrowed from you, is indelible and as I have lived among them, I have not seen them in any form or shades resembling Bini in any thing. That's the missing link that none of argument proferred so far on this forum has proven. Forget about White man colonial ethnic nomenclatures and other easy cover of argument, these denials are happening bc the so called Igbos are not at it's best at the moment, thanks to civil war and lack of cohesion among themselves.

If the tide will turn tomorrow, these same people will deny what they claim today. Once upon a time, every one wants to be Roman citizen, but today where is Italy. Most people want to be American citizen.The Clinton's of today are descendants of Irish immigrants and they never denied their ancestral root but in stead support it irrespective of where they chose to remain today.

atoleybaba:
prison is also a rehabilitation home. Same rehabilitation a theif and a robber needs. Note it is not her case alon that people av been calling for justice. We av also been calling for justice against our corrupt leaders. Lemme even ask u a personal question.will u break norm and law simply cos pol leaders are corrupt and not dealt with?..... Is overlooking a crime a way of solving impunity in d court of law? All cos dy have failed to do their jobs in other matters we now decide to stop dem on passing judgement on other criminals is that d way forward? You are very right we are in a useless country with no regard for law. Buh as a good citizen are we meant to add to d problem of the country?

Until we all agree to reorganise the system, wipe out the board and start afresh with seriousness, it is difficult for me to agree that the current lopsided justice system is there to heal rather than to destroy as it is currently doing. And point to me who is morally perfect. I am not at all justifying and encouraging such act in any way, I condemned it totally but killing a fly with a hammer is destruction.

She has heaped to her self and family plenty of shame and long lasting disgrace. The Next is to counsel her out of this deep problem and give her hope of clean life and future and she will pickup from there.

And these laws are made by man who themselves are imperfect. And the law itself is not perfect.

My friend let's see ourselves from the lens of compassion because nobody holy pass!

atoleybaba:
leave that to d judge in court to decide on whether to leave her and sin no more....Buh she has to face d court of law she and her two companions in d video

Which court of law are you talking about...the one that has been abused repeatedly. My friend, imprisonment does not cure this kind of problem but would rather aggravate it. She needs counselling and rehabilitation rather than sentencing to prison. There are many murderers, looters, and robbers present and past who walk free today and occupy leadership positions and none has been imprisoned and we have forgotten them. Yes, condemn the act but calling for imprisonment is not necessary.

24SEVEN:
I am not holding brief for anyone, but let me just point out here that the term Ibo/Igbo is a british coinage. The Ogba were never Igbo before the arrival of the british and are not Igbo after the british left.

If you want to know who they are, ask them and they will tell their history as passed down to them orally from their forebears. If you believ them ia yoir affair but please learn to accept and respect who a people say they are as they also accord you yours.

cc: Truckpusher

So who are Igbos and what do you use to determine if a person is Igbo?...besides, no one is forcing Ogbas to be anything against there wish...it is just that it is difficult to erase your ancestry by fiat. Language and culture does not erase overnight nor completely like that. It is gradual. There should be relics no matter how small. It's just like American and Carribean blacks denying ever having African ancestry because of centuries of generations that has passed. Were they mutated? But it is OK if we chose to be English, American or French it doesn't matter.

Bolustic:
Our brothers never disappoint, so far money dey there. Check number 29

And you thought he's Igbo because you saw Chi.

SalomonKane:
LOL. From your post it shows you know lil or nothing about the law.

Lesbianism, is a crime punishable in Nigeria. She was filmed committing the act. That's more than enough evidence for the police to prosecute her.

And yes, her crime isn't the first, but neither will it be the last. What makes her crime unique is that she was caught red handed. With her hands inside the cookie jar. Now that's the difference.

The evidence was/is watched by many. So your being sentimental and having human sympathy doesn't have anything to do with it.

She broke the law, there's evidence to support it, now that's final!.

Condemning her immoral act is OK but judging and asking for her imprisonment is like you pretending to be HOLY. Don't be a Pharisee dear, let her go and sin no more.

mulattoclaroo:
The doctor should shut up already. When she decided to do porn what was she expecting? A pat on the back or a national award? It's a shame that our generation is so useless that rather than condemn her actions, some morons are trying to defend her. Same sex union is highly prohibited in this part of the world. When you're in Rome behave like the Romans. What she did was wrong and must be condemned. I'm still surprised the police are still quiet when it is obvious she was the one. She should be cooling off in kirikiri as well speak.

Haba it hasn't reached...imprisonment na. Yes, we condemned the act but that's the much we can show our displeasure. Next is for her to go and sin no more. None of us is holy enough to judge her. Not even the Nigeria judiciary system is pious as we have seen recently. Or is it the police or government or even YOU good.

@Akinphysicist, you can see that you have surficial knowledge on this subject matter of argument. And when you realised that you have been exposed as empty on this matter you started shouting and labelling everyone IPOB. You started well but lost it completely. I have stayed in Ogbaland and I could not see any atom of Bini in them but mainly Igbo. It baffles one's imagination how this came to be. There is serious anomaly created in that geographical zone in the bid to reconfigure the psyche and cultural identity of these people for political and economic gain of the feudal Lords. Next time chose your battle well.

Lifestone:
Some will blame PMB for this but I won't.
So long our appetite for foreign goods consumption is high, Naira will continue to fall. I heard the story of a Nigerian family that buys their vegetables from stores in the UK.
Buhari must stand firm with steady hands and force a change of taste from Nigerians.This is our time to finally restructure how our FX are utilised.
We must eat Nigerian Rice, buy Nigeria made cars etc.

If you don't blame Buhari then blame me
So why is he the President of Nigeria?

Does government have any other better option that this?
Let him seize the opportunity while it lasts.

Nigeria and intolerance.
No rest for the wicked!

It's really so sad that we have degenerated this low in Nairaland.

Maybe Seun will think and come out with better solution to tame this tide of wicked and dangerous tribal exchanges in this forum.

It may appear as joke to some people but as you can see this is really not joke to some others. They take it to heart and still remembers it.

You can see that tribalism and hatred never does anyone good.

Let's repent now before it's too late.

I like these pictures.

Do anybody know how it was created.

What software does this?

I'll love to know please

chemicalDisease:
God pls give this Abokis oil.

so that d can drink it.

Dont kill me with laugh

link2ok:
This tribal issues is gradually getting serious.

Seun you rilly have to look into this or am I also to believe that you promote tribalism

There should b strict ban for this miscreants or possible removal from your forum.

And they are making nairaland look bad because topics are hijacked for stupid and unnecessary purposes.

The fact is that a great mistake was made by Nzeogwu and group, but judging by subsequent Military Head of States from the north, one can rightly say that Ironsi was a saint.

joborskill:
Just imagine how criminal minded these people are. Every region has condemned the budget padding except the east. Gowon condemned it, Afenifere condemned it, but all igbo leaders have been silent. Yet their youths shout biafra as if angels will rule biafra and not their corrupt leaders who sees nothing wrong in condemming corruption

Na wa for u. How dis come dey give u headache? Leave Igbos alone.
What kind of mindset you get to dey check who condemn and who no condemn.
At the appropriate time they'll react...no rush!

Not again! From the same axis of Ikorodu again! Haba whatz going on?

pacespot:
I don't care about awkward thinkers like you that dashed you two likes. And by the way, what is my business with oil workers that will now bring envy.

I'm talking of doing the real stuff on the ground in the oil exploration and this one is talking about management-based competence. Enough of these paper competence already. We have enough Professors of Economics in this country who know nothing about nation economy, but the economy of pocket.

Nigerians keep on cramming and pouring in their universities what has worked for other people in their countries, no minding whether it will work for their own country.

How many nigerians in these oil multinationals would Dangote gladly invite to come and do the core engineering work for his refinery. The same people that will do this stuff are the foreign expatriates. Nigerian engineers
can only take the side crew and watch their foreign counterpart do the real stuff.

Complaining of lack of capital, when we recently had a minister of petroleum resources who was a former top-level worker in one of these oil multinationals.

Excuses are the cheapest things in life!!!

Oga, before your anger hit the roof, I'll still politely tell you that you have no idea how the oil exploration business runs.

I understand your wishes, and I will still tell you Nigerians are doing core technical works in oil companies and never you think only the whites are doing that...but may be we are not so many. With the kind of environment you are in, it will still take a lot of decades to make impact in local content but we are not kind of zero as you are thinking. It takes a lot more than technical competence to get a service company running. It's a huge investment and am not sure government have this understanding yet.

In all I strongly don't agree with you that ALL Nigeria oil workers are lackeys of the white men and knew nothing enough to get company started. That is BIG false.

The world is sick and groaning in pains. Wickedness everywhere!

lawless society where the uniformed men doesn't practice what they preach.

Who is watching the watcher? No ombudsman in Nigeria.

Fulani herdsmen to me are simply disguised Boko Haram terrorists who are on jihad mission.

But again they'll FAIL.

Love of money is root of all evil. Everyone please shine your eyes. A word is enough for the wise.

Such a sad end.

Love of money is the root of all evil.

We should learn how to be contented with what we have.

Belarium:
Facts about Baker Hughes Nigeria

1. This company had a union many years ago. This union ensured that staff were well payed and taken care of but this union was destroyed by Mr Tayo who was the MD and current global Vice President in Baker Hughes. He destroyed it by bribing the zunion officials. The union officials turned back and betrayed the staff and accepted the current wicked contract on their behalf. If you don't accept it, you are sacked. The company rewarded Tayo by promoting him and posting him abroad.


2. nigeria is one of the country that makes the highest profit margin for Baker Hughes yet her staff are paid the worst compared to all Baker hughes offices worldwide.

3. When their People are laid off in Congo and other african countries , Baker Hughes gives them the following; 9 months minimum salary, 3 Morgan salary per year worked and one year health insurance. The staff are the ones that gives the company notice that they want to be laid off Or the company will give them at least one month notice. In Nigeria, no notice is given . Instead bouncers and security men wil just appear I your office and bundle you out. Also they only pay them 2 weeks per year. Imagine working for 8 years and going home with 500thousand.


4. This company is not allowed to take out more than 60percent of her income according to Nigerian Law. The 40percenr should be invested I Nigerians But they keep smuggling this money out. Efcc take note

Too bad. I feel your pain. These companies can be brutal and heartless!

pacespot:
But the real question is, what is the usefulness of these nigerian Baker Hughes staff to other nigerians?

What have they learnt in the company that they are bringing to benefit Nigeria?

Can they now set up their own company and extract the resources themselves?

If all of these are NO answers, then they should get stuffed and face their own problem.

All what these Nigerian oil workers care about is to sit under full AC all day and collect their fat pay cheque at the end of the month. Attend jamborees, send their kids abroad, fornicate and oppress other less privilege Nigerians.

No creativity on their part to think that what these foreigners are doing on our land, we can also do the same and retain all the wealth in Nigeria.

So now that they in the time of reckoning, they are shouting back at the society they don't even care about.

What have they given back to the society?

Probably nothing,

Someone should tell these people that we don't buy these old stocks!!!

Oga, I pity your shallow understanding or rather warpped imagination of oil industry staff. I sense you were talking from heart of envy. But just to get it clear to you, Nigerian oil workers are wonderful and competes very well with any nationality in the world irrespective of our weak educational system. They go on cross postings and excels. They manage complex projects and excels. They are made managers based competence and not frivolity.

Whether they can set up servicing companies, my brother it requires enormous capital and govt support in terms of policy protections for the business to be alive otherwise the big international one will stifle life out of them. Oil exploration is sophisticated and complex. It is not for learners but trust Nigerians, we are not carrying last as well in this area.

When it happened in my company, I personally checked the Nigeria Labour Law and I saw that our law is terrible and archaic. No protection at all to Nigerian citizen. Employers are at their own discretion to give anything extra than the Nigeria Law stipulated. The only safety cache and protection is for staff to join oil worker's union otherwise you'll be shocked what the redundancy payout will be. Of course companies knows about this,and will fight to stifle it.

These are the areas our law makers should shine their light instead of the frivolous bills and dog fights in the chamber.

The oil industry is in big storm.I only hope they come out but I doubt if things will ever be the same again.

http://www.nigeria-law.org/LabourAct.htm
http://www.ilo.org/dyn/natlex/docs/WEBTEXT/42156/64980/E74NGA01.htm
https://www./minimum-obligations-employer-under-nigerian-labour-adesegun

So sad that humanity has gone this bad...

Lord teach me to number my days and apply my heart unto wisdom.

Let's learn to show love while we still breath because the best of a man is like a vapour.

RIP Ada

The Electricity company needs to be sued to court and given such hefty penalty that would nearly crumble them...like it was done to MTN

And others would wake up and quickly go round and replace weak electric poles.