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@Proudlynaija
You just pointed out another aspect of this whole issue
These two guys made so many solid points, it'll be shameful if they don't get printed in the dailies.
But as usual, young Nigerians are never listened to

tkb417:

eldee, if i catch u ehn, ill whoze u

how far?

Uncle, I dey ooh
How's the wife and grandchildren

asha 80:
Those yorubas were spoken to in yoruba in their various homes by their parents and not english.Remember you said that if you speak english to them at home it will not affect them understanding yoruba when it is spoken to them which is a lie.

It will affect your Yoruba definitely
But you don't exactly get labelled an illeterate during the process of picking up Yoruba as a second language, do you??

@Mr_me_too
Stop bringing in the Mexicans . . . they live in the US of flippin A
English is what they speak in informal circles . . . the vernacular is not that too different from the official language
Nigeria's different, once you step out of the classroom . . . a whole lot of other languages come in
And still you live in a system where your status in official circles is more or less based on your ability to communicate effectively in English
Learning English first is an added advantage . . . take it or leave it

@Chuckvyl
You ever heard the adage bout using life's lemons to make lemonade??
It's typical for armchair analysts like you to blame me for the system. . . yeah, it's my fault that the official circles run business in English

Let me explain this to you in Anglais . . . Nigeria is an English speaking country, so English takes a priority, deal with it
If you manage to turn it into a Yoruba speaking country with your wishful thinking, then voila, I'll take Yoruba classes till my fluency in Yoruba dominates my English . . .
Sit there in front of a computer (product of Capitalism) and cry about your Marxist fallacies . . . that's your cup of English tea.

tkb417:
eldees response is so so on point

Very articulated and incisive
im impressed!!!

Banky W too
these guys just blew my mind
Tot they were morons
oh shit, Abati wont be able to sleep. hes been fcked up by the 'commons'
very nice

See this old man dey try to join our younger crew . . .
Abeg ooh . . . stick to your Kollington and Raskimono, no dey form youngie with us
Next thing now, 55-year old Doyin go wan join

Krayola:
Exactly. . .The music business has always been the same.


Music is about expression. . ."do you!!!". Not everybody is "conscious", not everybody is educated, not everyone likes to dance etc. But music transcends all of that. We are all guilty of having, at some point, been crazy about some dumb song that made no sense!

Most of the people that have posted on this topic are better educated than Beyonce, Jay z, Michael Jackson, Eminem etc. I think I can even say our Nigerian artistes (as far as pop culture goes) are some of the best educated on the planet. An artistes job is to entertain u, not to educate u, inspire u or whateva. If he/she can do all these things at the same time, great!! It makes him/her much more appreciated by a larger audience. But those are not the qualities that make an artiste, its about how well u get across to ur audience. What does ur stage name have to do with anything? That mongrel wrote like 2 long ass paragraphs on that. . .just blowing grammar for nothin

I don't mean to sound so confrontational but this man is obviously clueless about a lot of things. I've never seen such well written garbage in my life! That is a really long article he wrote. . . at some point he must have stopped to think about what he was writing. He doesn't know any better. He is a good writer, but I wouldn't take anything that comes from him very seriously, on whatever issue.

That's a bit harsh . . . but all the same, you made my day

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=286863.msg4069142#msg4069142 date=1245676375]He is NOT English but u can say he's BRITISH!!!
Call a Scottish bloke English and get your face punched bluish-blackish!!![/quote]They don't understand the whole thing . . .
Even Gordon Brown will punch you for calling him English talk less of Murrayy

gyde:
Sorry to burst ur bubble,but if Federer wins,and am sure he will,then he will become world number one again,i have done the points calculatons and I am cork sure

Andy Murray all the way . . . let's see more of Federer's tears

Uchek:
We can always excuse a couple of mistakes. But when such dominate an important document like CV, it becomes a cause for concern.

The argument that English is not our first language does not hold water.In Nigeria, English Language is the medium of communication from cradle to death.

You do know that First Language and Official Language are two totally different things, don't you??
These people learnt their indegenous languages as their basic language of thought, they were trained to speak English years later in schools.
Half of 'em speak Pidgin English and Yoruba outside official circles, this affects their English Langage skills.

That's why I'll keep laughing at people that come out to support training up kids in indegenous languages. . . that only makes sense in countries like India and China where the official languages are the native languages.
That's pure cultural deprivation . . . c'est fini

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=287438.msg4081332#msg4081332 date=1245850242]U can also add the Eredivisie to them.
At the end of the day, SKY is responsible for crashing them down.
As much as UK residents love football, most of them refused to subscribe to Setanta Sports.
One thing about Britz, they are very resistant to CHANGE.[/quote]I think it was just the wrong time to land a major contract
How can you say they didn't get enough viewers?? These people were gradually gaining ground
Any other year that's not 2009, they'll have arranged a loan to get the £30mil ASAP
Do you know how many banks woulda been willing to help them out in 2005??
You seem to forget that the first season is always rough, ask HiTV in Nigeria

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=287438.msg4081332#msg4081332 date=1245850242]At the end of the day. . . . . .It was SKY that came out to break barriers in 1992.
They took risks too and they are now enjoying the fruits of their labour.
Monopoly is bullshit and ITV should be scrapped. . . . . .Remember what happened during Everton/Liverpool FA cup game.
The only goal was missed by ITV cos they were doing moronic commercial during a LIVE game.
Many viewers are sued and The Watchdogs are still probing. . . . .For the sake of QUALITY viewing, Bleep MONOPOLY!!![/quote]Lol . . . its Rupert Murdoch, he's got more power in the UK than the Prime Minister and the whole House of Commons put together
You're only talking like this because you've got £50 to pay every month, think of those manual workers in Newcastle . . . they'll prolly never agree with you.
They'll prefer to sit in pubs and not listen to Andy Gray

debosky:
I agree it's happening in other countries as well, but it's endemic in Nigeria at the moment.

That doesn't mean it's wrong . . . at the end of the day, the consumers control the market
Barrister and Kollington Ayinla and SSP all used to do that exact same thing . . . no one complained

[quote author=A-40 link=topic=287438.msg4077110#msg4077110 date=1245783464]@Sauron
Simple! They probably want to tap into the vast North American market not too many people do Sky at the other end of the pond.The Prem ain't exactly a big deal to them they have MLB,NBA,NFL and NHL to worry about

Plus its all about the cash,pesos argent and dinheiros which ESPN have plenty of[/quote]I beg to differ . . . the rights are limited to the UK and probably Scotland
Fox Sports own the rights in the States . . . it's business as usual at that end of the pond.

mbulela:
Macca (Steve McManaman) is not bad at all.he is not without intelligence - a rarer commodity in football studios than it should be.

the major problem of Setanta is a lack of content outside the EPL games. as much as their are mad football fans, their number is not enough to sustain a channel without other drawing factors (i am looking at you HITV). that in my view was the singular most important factor why Setanta failed.

Setanta failed because of the global economic meltdown . . . simple
Getting viewers was not a problem, they had the FA Cup, England's Away fixtures, for sometime they had control over England's highlights . . . they had us feeding off their hands.
I even forgot to mention the French League and the SPL

But as many other businesses, they couldn't restructure their loans mainly because banks were not willing to lend, so they lost EPL and SPL. . . the rest was a downward spiral from then.

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=287438.msg4077043#msg4077043 date=1245782230]Noted. . . . .

But ma point is. . . . .If ESPN cannot do better than SKY, why bring em aboard in the first place.
Why pay ESPN to watch live games when SKY can do 1% better than ESPN?[/quote]Monopoly is bad for any industry . . . Rupert Murdock had to sell his shares in ITV to ensure competition remained
Competition helped to provide motivation for Sky to make their work better
Can you count how many invite friends and get £50 deals you saw during 24's ad breaks??

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=287438.msg4075416#msg4075416 date=1245767168]Debosky and Dr. Kit have been saying the same thing since i joined NL.
Arsenal fans have never celebrated a league victory on this forum and a school of thunks believe it will never happen.

Setanta is low budget but they have been doing great in North America ever since.
It's just that the idiots they bring on TV don't know nowt about football like Richard Keys or Andy Gray.

How can u compare the Nigerian commentators to the pundits on SuperSports??
SuperSports ain't a Terrestrial channel, NTA are.

ESPN might end up like Setanta. . . . . .Setanta also found themselves in a comfort zone when they won the bid in 2007/8 season.
They couldn't hold up because of the recession. . . . .ESPN might follow suit.
Abeg, the FA should leave SKYSPORTS' monopoly alone. . . . .I want good value for ma money, i don't care about monopoly.[/quote]Come on . . . you do know you can't compare ESPN to Setanta
ESPN is a real brand, Setanta was made for the EPL, I watch Presspass on ESPN and it's not that bad

Besides they've go money to employ coaches and retired footballers for analysis
I've seen Ruud Gullit and many other top class coaches there . . . that's a winning recipe, not Ray Parlour and Steve Mcmanaman

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=287512.msg4075630#msg4075630 date=1245769003]I agree with this. . . . . .
U cannot compare Reuben Abati's 4 figure table to Eldee's Mac-book.
There's a universe of difference between the 2. [/quote]Exactly . . .he grew up in an era where Shakespeare was the only link to the outside world
Right now, Iran is only a click away . . . he should deal with it, we're more exposed and therefore more innovative.
Infact, I'm calling him out for an open debate with Banky W . . . u'll see proof that exposure spits on O.A.U degrees

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=287512.msg4075630#msg4075630 date=1245769003]I understand where he's coming from but he didn't have to rubbish the sweats of em artistes to drive his points home.
Reuben Abati will not be the first to lament about the state of the music industry.[/quote]Nah . . . he needs to stick to editorials on the non-existent Nigerian democracy
That's his stronghold . . .

Other countries are tapping into the creativity and energy of the younger generation and he's attacking them
Obama brought politics to the youths and see what happened . . . Iran's younger generation is about to win them a democracy
Just think of what woulda happened is we collectively went head-on against Babangida and them lot??

The average Nigerian youth feels left out . . . the generation gap is far too wide, this editorial is not helping either.

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=287512.msg4075444#msg4075444 date=1245767398]So you agree some of us are wannabes?
Mr Abati should have articulated himself in a better way instead of going gung ho and dropping names.
Kids of this generation won't take such lightly. . . . . . .[/quote]We re not wannabes, we just grew up in an era of Globalisation . . . cultural boundaries are getting blurred every minute
The good thing that's come out of that is that the Nigerian youth, with his creativity has created a new identity from this.
They've emphasized their Nigerianess better than any other generation since 1914 . . . they've 'made it cool' to be Nigerian

Nowadays, Nigerian youths don't have to wear the 'white mask' any more . . . and most definitely not the 'Jamaican mask' like Raskimono and Majek Fashek.
I think he's just scared of change . . .c'est fini

P.S If it's not obvious already that this write-up is a failed attempt at yellow jornalism . . . I'll like to point out that Rooftop MCs' Ori Mi Wu is just a copy-paste version of popular Yoruba childhood folklore . . . and has he tried listening to thir lyrics??

BTW . . . Ja-rule?? Role model . . . Nah Sir

[quote author=tosinaded@ link=topic=287512.msg4075285#msg4075285 date=1245766112]Eldee thank u for hitting the nail on the head!!!!

there generation has failed us, we ve learnt from that and making corrections so we dont fail the coming generation!!!!!!!

but i must admit Eldee was kinda rude,but he was only expressing his feelings.
he had to defend the new generation!!!!


Reuben abati should retire and get his pension!!![/quote]If anyone launches a no-holds-barred attack at my career or infact anything I spent so much time and effort building, I'll probably react the same way.
Eldee just highlighted the man's incompetence with an artistic use of sarcasm . . . proving that we're not full of wanna-bes as Mr Abati tried to portray

obinna5000:
M.I. flows more like Kanye West and Lil' Wayne.

M.I flows like M.I, like any other rapper, he has his own influences.

DannyWilson was raw undiluted bullshit!!!!
For heaven's sake, was he not the 'somebody call me Danny Wilson and I'll show you Ragamuffi'??
That guy is the Sky-B of that era . . .

M.I came out and the whole world went on him for sounding like Kanye, Lil Wayne, The Fugees, T-Pain and every other artiste, how come no one taled bout this guy??

Is it me or is this Mr Abati just representing the exact problem with his generation??

[quote author= Eldee Da Don]There may be a few Nigerians who share Mr Abati’s sentiments and I will blame that on a lack of exposure, lack of wisdom or the need for enlightenment. This cannot be tolerated especially when it is being voiced by a journalist who holds such a crucial position in our media.

There has never been a time in Nigeria’s history when Nigerians have been more patriotic. A time when it has become cool to be Naija! A time when we wear ankara with pride, listen religiously to Nigerian music, watch Nigerian movies and look forward to a more progressive Nigeria. Mr Abati, your generation failed us and we have learned from you guys how not to fail the next generation. Thank God the whole of Nigeria is not as backward thinking as you have displayed……Sir.[/quote]As Eldee rightly pointed out, this entertainment industry is our only escape from the bad name his 'golden age' has given us.
They talk of us having Jay-Z as our role models, who should we place there?? Fela . . . or maybe the artistes of their time that openly came out to praise thieves in power.

You try to read about Nigerian history and all you see is one bloody coup leading to another . . . what's wrong if our Wikipedia page has a piece on Nollywood or Timaya??

Why have they decided to make us folk devils in this unecessary moral panic??
The simple answer is the WAR AGAINST CHANGE concept . . . and you'll wonder why the world's epitome of CHANGE would rather go to Ghana

This is worse than XENOPHOBIA, it's pure stagnation . . .

malcolmx:
I really agree with u on this one.But the truth happens to be that Snap music is deviating from what hiphop used to be. Characterised by shallow lyrics, unseriousness, no lyrical creativity e.t.c
I wonder where Hiphop would've been by now if it was started by the likes of Soldier Boi,Hurricane Chris,lies e.t.c.
Really, i see no future in Hiphop with the domination of these cats and their likes.
www.realhiphopng..com

Funny enough . . . I think it would have evolved into the Pacs and Biggies
Change is always there . . . Darwin's theory wolda worked it's magic on hiphop

[quote author=kay_pumpin link=topic=287214.msg4069456#msg4069456 date=1245679453]I am not a hip hop head,i hate to be so labelled too.I feel the term infers to musical parochialism and disability.I mean,why should anyone with the copious genre and brand of music that abounds decide to nibble on just rap? I deem it the height of monotony really. . . . . Ok to the issue at hand

I was flipping through the musical channels yesterday and all i saw was the "new form" of hip hop that to me were simply nauseating.Soildier Boi was milli vanillin to kiss you through the phone on Mtv base,Flo-rida was on Trace TV exhibiting his new tatoo(or so it seems),Lil Wayne has taken the vocoder thing to ne plus ultra cum he was acting a rock-star rather than a hip hop act. Damn!,there's been a volte-face from what use to be.

If you grew up listening and watching the deep rap culture proponents of the 80's and 90's(Public Enemy,NWA,Big Daddy Kane et al) on Yo!Mtv Rap and Rap City,you can not but be riled by the vitiated versio of rap on offer nowadays.

Turn on my radio and it was a "modern rap song" booming;catchy but scanty beat with repetitive chorus.The snap your finger lean-back schitzo.There's so much of Lil'-Quality of poetry going on by the likes of Lil'-Flip,Lil' Jon et al you'd think there's a fatwa on real hip hop.I was hating on the track but nodding my head nonetheless,nd who amongst us hasn't been a slave to the page of this so called wacka wicki MCs.Haven't we all been transfixed to the videos of an iced out Mike Jones,Lil'Wayne and Lil' what- have-you spewing nothing but exhibiting a Dr 90210 piccasoed vixens!

And i ask myself,at what point did Hip Hop give up it's realness and give us it's ghost?What are the hard-line rules that this new artiste failed?For example,Don Williams,Kenny Rogers,Dolly Parton et al did country music the way listeners will term original way back but i don't hear listeners cast aspersion at the way Faith Hill,Shania Twain,Tim McGraw,Lone stars et all do it now. BUT how many times has the KRS-1 of this world taken a swipe at Nelly?

I asked,are this hip hop heads been primitive,stuck-in-the-past spoilt sports who just refused to accept the train of hip hop has left them behind?[/quote]You spew my mind . . . infact in Kanye's words 'we're like a pair of siamese twins connected by brain'

Music and evolution are inseperable . . . Pop used to be Elvis, now it's Justin
Rock used to be Oasis, now it's Kings of Leon . . . even Fuji has changed from what we've always known it to be
I seriously do not understand why everyone has a problem with hiphop.

The most shocking aspect of all this is that people have refused to admit that hiphop's themes and presentation got monotonous
It was like knowing what each rapper was going to throw out time and time again.

If we look at the scenario carefully, it's easy to point out that the artistes that have refused to change are the same ones that have been left out.

I'm not sure but if Roger wins this he might jump to Number One in the ATP rankings
For that reason and for the fact the Andy's Brit . . . GO ANDY!!!!

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=286784.msg4066254#msg4066254 date=1245614437]Meanwhile, i am chuffed to bits at your siggy. [/quote]Hehehe . . . best line on the whole album, almost like that famous line in Criminal

javalove:
@eldee

i dont want to use words on u . . . but watever

You wouldn't dare mate . . . because you'll only end up looking more stupid than Modenine
Right now, you're making Ofokasibe sound like Einstein . . .
I know u're not always this daft, so I'll let this pass

javalove:
its ur choice . . . i know u have learnt one or two things from the explaination i gave. i dont give a hoof about anything else u say

Oh . . . so it's possible to see the mute side of this plonker??
Here I was thinking you were as stupid as Modenine . . . Thank God you know when to back-off.
It's a pity other Mode-stans are not that smart . . . buncha idiots.

@Sauron

Sun's Diameter: 1.496 × 10¹¹ m
Jupiter's Diameter: 71,492 × 10³ m

javalove:
Like i said earlier, he that knows not, and knows not that he know not is a fool, he/she would just continue arguing.

U read my explanations with a blind eye.

Stop being a plonker . . . you're comparing the largest planet in the solar system to the smallest stars in the Milky Way??
And you expect me to accept that B.S?? What, do I look like Dejiariyo to you??

[quote author=tosinaded@ link=topic=286784.msg4064995#msg4064995 date=1245586213]uve known wut?

that jupiter is bigger than a star [/quote]I'm scared already . . . what I just found out is that you don't need a degree in Space Science to prove that Modenine is daft
My Year 9 niece confirmed that . . .

Here I was thinking a good line to attack stars woulda been . . . 'I'm not a star, I'm bigger than the Milky way' or sumn
Then we won't have to be talking of dead stars and white dwarfs . . .

javalove:
Can u (eldee) tell me a planet thats bigger than jupiter? If u can, i would give u a hundred dollars . . . I PROMISE!!!!

ANd YES a planet can be bigger than a star as long as we are talking RADIUS and not MASS
Neutron stars are typically only 10-20km across - so all planets in the solar system are bigger than neutron stars

If we exclude neutron stars, white dwarfs are typically approximately the size of the earth. So all the Jovian planets are bigger than white dwarfs!

The biggest star is ~1000 times bigger than the sun (VY CMa)

And if we stretch it to include dead stars, they are still considered stars and they still glow (at least white dwarfs do).
If we only count stars currently undergoing nuclear fusion processes - then I'll agree that the answer is "no"

First of all, I do not appreciate this stupid namedropping tactic you're using . . .
It's irrelevant _{just like Modenine}

Stop being a nincompoop, we all know that when you use things as references in rap songs, it usually points to the stereotypical examples of those objects. . .
When I say 'You ain't no nigga, you's a freaking gay' . . . everyone knows that the 'gay' I'm talking about the effeminate homosexual freak and not the muscular ones that rape guys in prison.

Stop bringing in irrelevant bullshit like white dwarfs?? Are you freaking having a laugh??
This has to be the dumbest thing I ever heard . . . Modenine's comparing young planets to almost dead stars??

Is it me or do Modenine fans make a living from being fickle??

Let me explain this in a way even you will understand . . . Modenine's weakest area is GCSE Science/Geography
And when he says 'I'm not a star. I'm bigger than Jupiter', he actually thinks that Jupiter's bigger than the average star . . . c'est fini
Arguing this out is kinda making you too appear daft.

javalove:
as from today, i would refer to u as mr dumb. lets not derail this thread

Heaven knows no one cares what you think. . .
I'll just leave IB to give Modenine a lesson or two on GCSE Geography

@Hybrid

Erm . . . would you like to be a judge then??

I'm not a STAR, I'm a BIGGER planet than Jupiter - Sege

I don't know why these undeep people cannot understand this line
Your IQ has to be on the downlow for you to crack this . . . I'm talking real downlow like -14

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=189393.msg4059088#msg4059088 date=1245446555]So u just realised Mode-9 is a retard?
I paid $9.99 on that gay's last album and he was shyte throughout with dumb bars and watery lines.
How can anyone imply stars are smaller than Jupiter. . . . .It has to be the most stupid statement spewed out by a rapper.

Coming from someone who finished from a tertiary institution, it's a fucking disgrace(apologies to Drogba). [/quote]Hehehe . . . don't spoil this one.
I'm waiting for the bumlickers to come here and explain this line.
And it had better be sumn in the line of 'the stars shrunk the day before modenine recorded the song'

debosky:
I guess you're expecting him to say 'hey men, it's like, you know' before you'll know he's American? 

Does this look like Jenifa the movie to you?

This is a classic . . .

javalove:
i neva knew u were very dumb eldee. . . u just disgraced me . . .

soncerely i dont know wat to say to u. maybe u r joking

I didn't disgrace you, I disgraced Modenine . . . he needs to pick up GCSE Science
Yeah, and I'll be here to apologise is you come here to tell me which is bigger, a planet or a star. . .
Till then, your ignorance will remain clearly engraved on the web

dejiariyo:
if u know nothing about that line maybe u shud check this blog, its a uk blog and they only deal about good music , they might as well tell yu what its means, dumbfcuks
http://wepluggoodmusic..com
scroll down and see the analysis on modenine and that line u guys failed to even understand and cant comprehend even if jesus was the one saying it,that is how big ur level of ignorance is,

Your idiocy is going beyond astronomical levels . . . so some idiot was stupid enough to quote a dumb line on his blog, that makes it alright??
Let's just hope you don't reproduce, four more of your kind and the world's mean IQ average will be 15.

ibkaye:
As much as the sun is the smallest of all the stars, it is still bigger than jupiter, 10.4 times as big as the diameter of jupiter to be precise

This is not the first time we've had to teach this dude GCSE Science/Geography, there was a time he was talking bout being popular in 'Europe, Belgium and Germany'

dejiariyo:
I am NOT a star, I'm a BIGGER planet than Jupiter!--------------modenine

This is dumb . . . stars are way way bigger than planets
Infact the Sun is one of the smallest stars. . . so what's Sege saying??