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asha 80:
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Typical black african response.

Yeah . . . at least I'm not a armchair analyst/controversy theorist like you lot

Because I don't speak Yoruba, the Americans will invade the country . . . bla, bla, bla

I grew up in a a purely Yoruba state, my parents couldn't risk speaking Yoruba to me at home
She couldn't bear watching me pick up the Egbado-accent
I had to learn Yoruba after I'd already started thinking in Anglais . . . my Yoruba still sounds weird though

I never even learnt Ishan, her native language too . . . but nah, I don't regret it, I'm even planning to go on a Spanish intensive . . .
I speak the world's most important language without the h-factor . . .

Besides, we're not the only ones 'losing our culture' . . . where I come from, it's called globalisation.

Most important factor . . . people buy!!!

bgees:
Skillz,lyrics,beatz and production make a rap song and not the sub-genre.

A rapper needs to be talented and buisness-savvy to make it.
And there is nothing wrong blending the two.

And pls some people need to understand correctly ,CONCIOUS RAP ISN'T GANGSTER RAP.Canibus isn't a conscious rapper.

Exactly what I was pointing out in my first post . . .
Who says it has to be Soulja Boy OR Immortal Technique, we can't just ignore the Jay-Zs and even Jadas of this world

@topic
For me, it's people that can spit 'impressive' lines on sick beats with perfect delivery
I'm less selective with the type of music I listen to . . . hell I once listened to Sefyu and it sounded tight to me

You drop two extremes and confine our choices, For heaven's sake, Conscious rap is just one theme, how bout the 2000 other messages a song can deliver? How bout the ones with a bit of both good lyrics and popstar appeal?? How bout Eminem? Or Jay-Z??

Must it be MCRen vs MC Shen?? This mentality seriously strangles the growth of this music we've come to love.

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=263654.msg3766614#msg3766614 date=1240417237]They don't!!!
Gambians can't be bovvered with Lil Wayne but they will gyrate their waists to P-Square and Yahooze tunes.[/quote]Whatchu talking bout?? 50 and Weezy sell in Europe and Asia
Tell me you're not comparing that to those twins that are outof beats

Utali:
lol even the media who should know better don't know oooo
I even read on MTV's website that 2face is Nigerian Hiphop star

If you go on lecturing em it will take a year

Mordern hiphop is not only rap . . . step outside the box
Kanye's Heartless is categorised alternative hiphop, check Billboard, I-tunes or any other credible source
The beat that jumps at you is what makes the song hiphop . . . Bizzy Body is a hiphop song, Enter The Place is hiphop too
Just because it's influenced by dancehall doesn't pull it out of hiphop . . . by your own definition all Lil Wayne's Grammys should be returned.

I don't get this . . . should we believe this because odili.net said it?? Or because audio confirmed it??

People have come here to say that he rocked Abuja, Lagos, London and Benin . . . what else does he need to do to prove he's got a hold on Naija??

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=263654.msg3766422#msg3766422 date=1240415736]P-Square sold a million in 6 days?? It's possible.
Other African States are now interested in Naija hip-hop.[/quote]Come on . . . these same 'African States' don't listen to Lil Wayne??
Were talking bout Get Rich Or Die Trying figures here, they must be having a laugh

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=247857.msg3763102#msg3763102 date=1240357203]If he had played on saturday, he woulda been jaded tonight.
I doff me hats for Wenger.

I thunk Baptista also scored 4 goals at Anfield, no??[/quote]Oi, don't even go there . . . Baptista wasn't even a Wenger buy
He was a flipping loan salvage, a never-tested plonker that only came because Reyes was begging to leave

Asharvin is a proven star . . . He made shushed Dayokanu's team in the UEFA Cup
He came to the Euros and did his thing . . . he's been an integral part of the team since when he came
Six goals and three assists in eight games is no mean achievement . . . he makes 30 mil buys like Berbatov look shite

Hehehe . . . P-square 'sold a million in six days'
Lilwayne sold platinum in one month

rapjunkie:
M.I's lyrics are getting worse! Did he think before he wrote this?

wow!

These lines are in the wrong thread

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-239274.0.html

Erm. . . get the lyrics right

I'm rare like assets

Funniest part was when he brought the board and started trying to calculate the joke, lol

Fishsticks + Kanye = Gayfish
'But Kanye is a genius so fishsticks + genius = swim??'

You know he came out to promise to stop being cocky.

@Sauron
The award is for footballer of the year not longest-non-red-card-receiver or how did Ronaldo manage to win if it were bout professionalism?

Where's RVP on the list? From September to January, RVP was Arsenal. He's been more important to Arsenal than Giggs to the Man Utd reserve team. Where's Modric?

Johnny Evans? That rapist??How come reserve team stars dominate the Young Player category? Is Nasri not 22 or sumn?

Forget those lies bout voting is January, this is just pure fuckery. If it were all winter, Zaki wins by a clear mile.
The PFA has just shown it's irrelevance to English football.

@A-40
I get where you're coming from
I might unconsciously implied that Pac wasn't successful in his lifetime, but you have to agree that his death increased the hype on him
He was one of the most popular rappers of that era, he dwarfed the Rakims and the East Coast(not B.I.G though) . . . and even after his death he still was, but this hype cannot remain constant for 13 years, it dips slowly.
And other artistes rise to fame . . . people have their periods
Pop Culture is Chicago . . . erm this is metaphor, Chiogo beware

This E! issue . . .lol.
Now let me focus on this, I didn't want to use MTV or VH1, because they are more into contemporary urban music . . . that's still basically another hiphop circle.
What better example than an Entertainment company that has White America and Europe as its major demographic??
And yeah . . . the only thing they do s worship the idols of pop culture
As I said, you got my point, if you give me a better example, I'll gladly correct myself.

As I said, I'm not Elstradamus (never predicted an Arsenal result correctly before ), but maybe if Pac were still here, he'ld probably be the one doing all those things I listed, but nah, he's dead and now it's the Ems and Hovs doing it.
And yeah . . . as you pointed out, he didn't have enough time to do that in his lifetime, that's the first thing I mentioned in my post.
Jay-Z waited till what?? 2003 before he reached out to the rock audience, Eminem is white but he waited till the third album
We both agree on something at least . . . Moonstone is sumwhere hating this

@Bamsyle
A wise man once said 'you think arguing with the learned is hard?? try the ignorant Bamsyle' Just kidding
Now tell me how I'll get across to someone that thinks Tupac is the most talked about dead artiste
No offence, Bamsyle . . . but maybe you should just stick to hiphop . . . other genres don't suit you

@A-40
Arguably?? Jay-Z is the definition of cocky

I wish for you a century of success but now's my time
Rock Boys - Jay-Z

Who you find doper than him?? with no pen just draw up inspiration . . .

Look what you made me do, look what I made for you
Knew if I paid my dues, how would they pay you??
Numb/Enore - Jay-Z

It's young money and we on like the television
The weather channel, but I do not broadcast
I throw up more cash, to change the forecast

Your boyfriend is lame, I make it rain on ya
He never make it rain, like southern California
. . . baby I make it flood, now you gon need a boat
Make it Rain - Lil Wayne

For heaven's sake, it's cash this prick is talking about like this No wonder Hov says his DNA is in Weezy's rhymes

"Nas is like, " Iron Mike, messiah type
Before the Christ, after the death, the last one left
. . . Nas is like, Half Man half amazing

Nas - Nas is Like

Recently on NL, there has been this new found love for the Pac and Rakim era of hiphop

Even if we keep screaming 'Hiphop Is Dead' from now till next year's Easter Monday, I think one thing we'll agree on is the fact that all rappers know how to brag.
I'm just opening this thread to appreciate one thing that makes rappers rappers . . . their cocky lyrics, the way they make 10 seem like 1000

I'll just post the one I can remember right now


How can I falter when I'm the rock of gibralter
I had to get of the boat so I could walk on water
This ain't no tall order, this is nothin to me
Difficult takes a day, impossible takes a week
I do this in my sleep,
I sold Kilos of coke, (so?) I'm guessin' I can sell CD's
I'm not a businessman, I'm a business, man

Diamonds are Forever (Remix) - Jay-Z

jay bee:
na fight brash?
fair enuff she crash landed into an enemy territory but u don't av to be dat hostile bruv.

I'm a gooner . . . but I still watch what I say on this thread
That's why it's the For Gunners Only thread

[quote author=A-40 link=topic=256465.msg3721599#msg3721599 date=1239593903]And errm Pac is what?? one of the best selling Reggaeton acts of all time?[/quote]Pac used to be one of the most popular rappers . . . till the hype over his death died down
Evidence?? his best selling album was the one released immediately after his death, when the hype was there . . .
Believe it or not, his best selling studio album sold bout 3 plat immediately after his death.

And that's just album sales, don't let's go to other measures of popularity.

[quote author=A-40 link=topic=256465.msg3721599#msg3721599 date=1239593903]Ohh and you are just gonna leave out Dr Dre right? you gave Em credit for moving one of the lowest numbers among Pac's posthumous albums and i proved your theory ridiculous.Shikena[/quote]Lol. . . but I've just proven that Em had a hand in building the popularity of another popular post 2000 rapper

[quote author=A-40 link=topic=256465.msg3721599#msg3721599 date=1239593903]What are you an escapologist or a spin-doctor? why didn't you come up with a much more meaningful analogy? any other network would have been fine with me BET,VH1 but freaking E! please admit you made a faux-pas in that argument and lets keep it moving[/quote]You see why I like arguing with you . . . you're not scared to admit facts
It's easy to see that your beef is with E! Entertainment not the point I was driving at
Whatever helps you sleep at night bruv . . . as long as you get the message

[quote author=A-40 link=topic=256465.msg3721599#msg3721599 date=1239593903]Which is why you should give Pac even more credit for his numbers he would probably be moving Country Musicians and Rock and Roll artiste numbers if he where around now[/quote]EXACTLY!!! Finally we agree on something!!!
You are coming from 'he would have . . .' I agree . . . he would probably be selling 12 plat, he would probably be the only hiphop artiste selling records, he would probably be the face of Coca-Cola, he would probably be the one topping Box-Office Charts, he would probably be the one selling out tickets in Tanzania, Angola, Nigeria and South Africa . . . yeah China and Australia too . . . but nah . . . he's not around so we'll never know.

[quote author=A-40 link=topic=256465.msg3721409#msg3721409 date=1239583914]And 2Pac is more popular than Eminem and Fiddy can ever hope to be.Terminado
Why do you keep raving about this Loyal to the Game album? anyone who didn't know better would think that the album was the first and only of Pac's posthumous albums that went platinum EM deserves no credit because Pac is arguably the easiest rap brand to sell,Marketing skills my pitch-black ass!! 2Pac is like McDonalds and Coca-cola they are not exactly hard sells if EM wants to show his marketing skills let him market any or all of his D12 compadres and lets see how much they would sell! U think say na beans?
The album still sold despite EM's below par production which only show that Pac is still relevant in the game[/quote]Eminem is one of the best selling rappers of all time . . . he's proven that he can sell to different sides of the musical/ethnic/class/Atlantic divide
His work?? Fiddy . . . you have to admit that Em had a hand in 50's rise to fame . . .

Step outside he box and look at this . . . Pac, Em, Jay-Z, LilWayne all belong to the hiphop generation of contemporary music.

The E! thing?? My dayzz . . . are you a 16 year old chic in disguise??
For heaven's sake I expect more than this straw-clutching from you . . . you're intelligent, I made a statement bout the mass media and I put E! there and you're telling me you took 'E!' literally??
So when next I say Uncle Tom, I'm talking bout my uncle?? This is ridiculous.
Aiite, let me explain this to you, the way I'll explain to erm . . . Chiogo, E! in the context I used it was just symbolism for the mass media and the way they portray celebs these days. . .
Ever heard of E!-status??

Come on . . . you know bout 70% of music sales take place in the year of release . . . given that fact, it's easier for new songs from this time to be downloaded, both legally and illegally, in dfferent countries round the world.
That's just one edge over the Rakims because people download Jay-Z while the hype is high. The 0.75p single download means it's faster to get to listen to artistes.
This was impossible in the early 90s.

I'm arguing with Bamsyle, A-40 and Sauron, I don't expect every letter I say to be taken literally, when I mention E!, every idiot knows I'm talking about today's mass-media.
What's the point of restricting the number of people I argue with if I still have to deal with pips that are incapable of thinking outside the box??

@Bamsyle
I'll have to speed up my reply to your last post

1. Proof?? C'mon Bamsyle, sales in different countries, references in popular culture, diversity of concert audiences, and funny as it sounds even Search Engine referrals(Eminem, 50 and Hov have double Pac's Google hits) . . . even personal experiences(You don't need a degree in Music Technology to know who's hot in Nigeria, it's even easier in the UK) . . . do your homework and get back at me (we all know bout your wiki skills)

2. Aight . . . I respect that but did any of Pac's movies sell $242 mill?? And to think Pac was a better actor. This is the power of modern marketing strategies.

3. And I've proven to you that my mass media argument only applies to artistes whose careers started in this generation of music.
Dude . . . please drop these wikipedia yarns, I'm talking about popularity here not talent. Rakim influenced a majority of the 90s rappers, how popular is he??
He's the most talked about dead artiste?? LOL!!! Bamsyle . . . no offence, but you need some cultural exposure up in your life.

4. Eldee's not half the hiphop community . . . hell, Eldee's not even in the hiphop community. I'm talking about the half that said Notorious B.I.G was the better artiste.
Bout that . . . they told them to vote for the best not most popular . . . dig??

Had to quote this one

Yeah I agree . . . the internet was not popular in Pac's time . . . but even with all that, the late 90s/2000s rappers all waxed together are still not as popular as 2Pac . . . his fame continues to spread by the day . . .

Coming from someone that says I don't have proof . . . u're a joker bruv

peops are always interested in knowing the locus classicus of anything . . . it's impossible to claim you know Rap Music without knowing 2pac . .

I beg to differ . . . in my own opinion (which Ihappen to share with Nas) people are more superficial these days
They tend to forget about the origins and just go for what the media presents to them . . . how, for Bleep's sake do you think rappers like 50 and Lil Wayne sell that much in this era of poor albums sales?? two words Media Hype!!!

In the ideal world . . . Pac should be more popular the 50 and Em put together . . . but come on!!!

You just echoed my point . . . people that claim to know rap know Pac, but what of people that couldn't care less bout hiphop . . . that's where Jay-Z and Eminem come in.
Cutting through gender, ethnicity and social class . . . Jay-Z and Eminem did that
Tupac was in an era where he had to battle a moral panic that was constructed against hiphop, modern day rappers reaped the fruits of his labour.

Bamsyle, Bamsyle, Bamsyle

You and these epistles . . . I'll trade anything to be in one of 'em Drop a line and get out threads
Anyways . . . I'll reply as soon as I get enough time to finish reading

[quote author=A-40 link=topic=256465.msg3717221#msg3717221 date=1239448412]Pac died almost 13 years ago!! What recent news can they possibly have on him, His decomposition stage?

Do you think Eminem,Fiddy,Kanye would be mentioned in any discussion ten to fifteen years after their death

When last did you watch E! and see news on Elvis Presley or John Lennon? does that mean Justin Timberlake is more popular than them

Loyal to the game was a flop but who do we blame? A dead Tupac or a living Eminem that was responsible for the production of arguably one of Pac's weakest albums[/quote]I'm not trying to predict what will happen if Em died tomorrow . . . that's not my business
What I'm saying is . . . as at the time of posting this reply, Pac is not as popular as Eminem or 50Cent . . . c'est fini
Erm bout the album, I'll like to place a lil emphasis on the fact that, Em's album production skills . . . nan of me bizness . . . but his marketing?? top of the league . . .gave Tupac a posthumous platinum.

Oh . . . my freaking days!!! Tell me you're not bringing Elvis and John Lennon into this!!! What next? MJ??
These people had careers that lasted decades . . . they had 2-4 generations of fans . . . Pac's career was just six years, his influence was superficial compared to the John Lennons and MJs of this world.
Elvis is King of Rock and Roll . . . half of the hiphop community didn't agree that Pac was the greatest, even at his prime.

Pac and Eminem/50/Jay-Z are in the same generation of music, and even then, things like the innovations in the internet, the mass media and even the invention of the mp3 have given late 90s/2000 rappers an extra edge over the Pacs and Rakims.
Nowadays, people in Bamsyle's Botswana have the internet and satellite TV to follow Jay-Z's Glastonbury concert on BBC

Drop sentiments and see where I'm coming from . . .

Covenant?? WTF!!! This is what makes some people stay in abusive relationships till death.
Reports have shown that many people in the past used to stay in empty shell marriages all to satisfy the 'covenant' thing.

Nowadays, believe it or not, people value a good marriage more . . . that's the main reason for the increasing divorce rate.
No one wants to stay in a dead marriage . . . where they're only husband and wife on paper.

Even in the Bible, marriage is a contract . . . there is a clause of fidelity attached to it.
Nowadays there are just more clauses.

Just avoid Igbinedion University Okada. . .
That's the devil I know, the angels I don't know can't be that bad.

BTW if I were you, I'd tell my friend to stay back. Just look at the GTB employment thread and see what I'm talking about.

It has to be Bonnie & Clyde . . .



None of the hi-tech copy-cats come close

Just voted too . . . nice n' easy

Before his injury, Yakubu was easily the one of the most consistent striker in the whole of the EPL
In his first season in England, he scored one goal in every two games . . .

His average over three seasons was second only to Henry

And I remember a goal he scored against Man Utd . . . made Ferdinand look shite

dayokanu:
I think 2pac is the most popular rap artiste worldwide.HIT EM UP IMO is the most Popular Rap track of all time.

I saw rebels in the Kenyan riots wearing G-Unit apparel . . . obviously fake, but that's how famous modern rappers are.

Did anyone see this CNN Inside Africa report on Hiphop in Northern Nigeria?? this mallam had a vest with Eminem's face . . . he even said 50's his fave rapper
In da club, Mo Money More Problems(Lemon Plus ad), Getin Jiggy With It, You Can't Touch This, Real Slim Shady, I'll Be Missin' You don't be in haste to make that judgement abeg.

Popularity?? Come on!!!

Bamsyle is busy shouting Botswana like he's ever been there I'm 100% sure that their pop culture is just a carbon copy of the US and the UK
I'm talking about the devils I know here . . . I know the UK and I know Europe, I know China's where Em's got fans
Ask Jackal, TV broadcasts were interrupted to show Eminem's new video in the UK . . . Pac never got that alive or dead
Eminem is pop culture . . . heck Pac's not even big in the US outside the hiphop circles . . .
And cut that bullcrap bout his work being studied . . . Nas is neither dead nor popular and there are courses on him too

Eminem headlines rock concerts all the time . . . Hov got Glastonbury and they had the slowest sales ever and this is a rapper that's got over 30mil google hits, now compare to Pac

Eminem is a brand, how can you compare his fame to Pac?? Pac died over ten years ago.
Eminem's using his popularity to keep Pac's name alive . . . what, you think people buy Loyal to The Game and those wack albums for legacy??
Negro please . . . you know much better

The news doesn't make celebs, celebs are the news . . . and no, Pac is distant from ever coming on E!
Kanye, Fiddy, Hov and Eminem are everyday names