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debosky:
Gunners can be so shortsighted. Let me tell you a little secret - do you know Pascal Cygan played 18 TIMES in the Unbeaten season? We need some capable back ups even if they are not the best in the world.

Cygan played 18 times in a team that had Henry, Bergkamp, Pires, Ljungberg, Viera and many other world class players.
I've seen four players that can't walk into the Spurs team all play for Arsenal at once . . . that's the difference between a team that has fringe players and one that plays its Reserve team in the league

We put too much responsiblity on these boys, Bendtner shouldn't be playing more than 20 matches a season in any team at his level of experience.
Denilson should have Flamini to look up to while he learns how to be the perfect DMF . . . and Diaby too
The Sagnas and Adebayors never get enough competition, why?? Because we let the competition go.

Dr Kitaun:
@Eldee

Debosky has said he wont be fazed if AW doesnt win anything in the next 5 years

that to me . . .IS GREATNESS !

Abeg na him own be that . . . I know I don't want us to end up like the Newcastles and Blackburns
My candid opinion . . . give AW a role in the board, there he can use his degree in Economics without stopping us from winning trophies.

tkb417:
semantics.   .    .   . he didnt get a contract cos he couldnt tie down a shirt
will anyone blink b4 giving Rooney a new contract? NO

hes a mediocre and hence the treatment

Berba shld get his dose too next season if he doesnt measure up
we are an institution where we accomodate only the best
we are Manchester United!!!

You and I know the only reason Berbatov benched Tevez was because he was 30mil
Let's stop acting like football is black and white . . . expensive players get more chances to prove themselves
Veron was proven to be crap in one month, it took three years for him to leave the EPL

debosky:
We have competition - RVP, Bendtner, Eduardo, Vela and one more if Wenger replaces Ade. for the frontline competition

Midfield - we will have Rozzi vs Nasri vs Walcott vs Arshavin for TWO wide places

Central midfield is where we lack the right type of combination, Wenger will work on that. Even at that, we have some competition given Song's resurgence.

LB - we have Clichy vs Gibbs RB we have Sagna vs Eboue CB we have Gallas vs Toure vs Vermaelen vs Djourou vs Silvestre/Senderos

There is immense competition in the side.

What we need is a QUALITY DM to pair up Cesc in the FIRST team, then we will have Ramsey vs Diaby vs Denilson vs Song for the back up slots.

I don't see why we need more than 4/5 strikers to compete against each other - as I've always said, once we sort out central defence and the DM position, we will be ready to compete.

You cannot simply say bring in competition to compete for shirts anyways, the best bunch will leave (e.g Tevez) when they don't feel secure in a starting place.

You're talking of a title challenge team and you're calling Gibbs and Vela??
Are you being serious or are you just doing this to pull out Dr Kit's hair??

And don't tell me fielding crap players will stop the good ones from going . . .  WE ARE THE ARSENAL!!!
We don't want no fucking IMPROVEMENT, WE WANT WINNERS . . . thats what the transfer market's there for, not losing the few we've got.

BTW . . . Tevez didn't leave because he couldn't get a shirt, he left because he didn't get a contract.

candylips:
Jack baur is a thug

One that gets the job done . . . if shooting his boss will stop the mission from flopping, he'll do it.

Oi Jackal . . . When did you become an Ade fan??

WE DO NOT NEED TO SELL ANYONE!!!
Not even Merida . . . we have a flipping thin squad
Why can't we just sit back and tell ourselves the truth??

See how good this team is . . . won't it have been perfect if Nasri had to fight Hleb for a shirt??
Or Clichy Vs Ashley Cole?? Song Vs Flamini??

My point . . . more quality players, competition thickens . . .
Players beg for their shirts, injuries don't affect us, more sub options . . . what's wrong with these good problems??

We need players to get hungry and the easiest way to do that is to get other players that want their shirts . . . it's a no-brainer
We can't keep selling

Jack Bauer is the reason TV was invented.
If he were in Prison Break, he'd find Michael Scoffield and hand him over to David Palmer . . .

debosky:
Yeah right - you think fans are stupid? Even if Wenger praises a player from now till eternity, fans can SEE what is going on on the pitch and will make up their minds. You would have to be blind not to notice Ade's rubbish behaviour, especially at crucial moments.
What did Ade get that Bendtner did not get? Bendtner would be booed while WARMING UP before even lacing his boots! He was booed, castigated and the media even FALSIFIED an interview against him!! The same newspaper came out to apologise, but I am sure most fans never saw that. What did NB do? He buttoned his lip and worked HARD. By end of the season, no one had to be told that the boy had MASSIVELY improved.

Ade averaged a goal in every two EPL games . . .
He saved our UCL campaign, but nah, they refused to forgive hime for a PR mistake he made last season.

And yeah, we saw Bendtner's improvement, and we also saw his designer boxers at the club after one of defeats that destroyed our season.

debosky:
It's good for you to be selective - EVERYONE was booed at some point last season - how did they take it? They worked hard and improved!

RVP was booed badly for getting sent off stupidly against Stoke in our horrible run in Oct/November, what did he do? Button down and play his heart out, winning THREE player of the month awards.

Even Song the smiling MOFO stepped up his game

Apart from the CL losses and the Chelski defeat, Our defence very good in the second half of the season and we only lost ONCE in the league in 2009.

All these people improved, but Ade is the only one who knows how to insult fans by saying they boo him because other clubs want him, without focusing on improving his game? No thanks.

The evidence is unambiguous and clear - a player gets his wages DOUBLED, gets the unalloyed support of the Manager but chooses to blame the fans for everything that has gone wrong and none on himself. Oh I guess we should keep him so we appear competitive, but I refuse.

Regardless of whom you think you are, NO ONE can disrespect Arsenal FC the way he did and expect to be loved. He has wasted an opportunity to become a club legend, and I wish him well if he leaves.

Every player has bad times, Ade got TOO much stick for his.
As I said before, Arsenal fans pushed him to the wall . . . and that's simply because of the expectation that comes with scoring 30 goals.

Anyways i can't keep discussing Ade, Wikipedia's already listed him as a Man City player . . .
It's almost official .  . . we just lost one.

tkb417:
we wish him well

we have Owen so no probs

Funniest joke of the year

tkb417:
excuse me
he had Chelsea as an Option, why didnt he go to Chelsea if it was purely based on footie
wht will City guarantee apart from money?

I think his agent does the thinking and prepares his speech
hes a dumbo in its simplest form

Chelsea was never really serious . . . they've got Drog-Anelka
And it's obvious that he had better chances of getting playing time at City.

@debosky
Well that didn't get to the fans . . . cus I remember Arsenal fans booing him week-in week-out for things anyone would do.
You don't want to agree that Ade got more stick than any Arsenal player when he was trying his best.
The interview was just a man pushed to the wall . . .
I wish we directed the boos towards our rear guard . . . but nah, they escaped while Ade got the blame

tkb417:
so where is his heart?

the last time i checked, he turned down UTDs bid to sign him at the last minute.
where lies his heart? hes a PRO and will always play for money
They dont have any allegiance to any club

He spent two months asking for a contract . . . you guys were silent
City and Chelsea came knocking offering more playing time and double money and then you guys came.
It's obvious you guys only really wanted him after losing Ronaldo

tkb417:
yeah right!
he did that cos we took him away from West Ham!!
he shld and will always be grateful to UNITED

He will always go to where the stakes are high
end of story!!!

Typical scummer talk . . .
You expect him to sit there and beg when Man City's trying to be poor man's Real Madrid??

tkb417:
just like some part of his heart goes to the hammers? how much of his heart is left for the city people?
when he leaves city, some portion will be left for City fans too

i think hes daft!

he chose city cos of money
simple. ill do same

Yeah right . . . he begged you guys to give him a contract
He was satisfied with coming from the bench for that 30mil piece-of-shit

He really loved you guys and he always gave his 100% everytime he wore the red shirt.
I'm not quite sure but wasn't he the guy that wore a Man Utd jersey to a Boca Juniors press conference??

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=270819.msg4186682#msg4186682 date=1247593364]@ Eldee,

All AW had to do was bet with Ade openly. . . . .
I will give you £500 if you score 25 goals.
SAF does that to keep Ronaldo on his toes why can't AW?[/quote]AW simply forgot his job as a manager . . .
Fergie's come out to protect Ronaldo, Hiddink always comes out to support Drogba, even Mark Hughes came to Robinho's rescue when Pele came after him
That's what you do for your key players . . . you protect them openly then deal with them inside

AW acted like Ade wasn't an Arsenal player . . . even when the fans were calling for his head.
All he had to do was 'I have faith in Ade's ability, I know he'll come back' . . . c'est fini
He didn't need to let it go that far.

debosky:
This is why we should cash in - he might've been a flash in the pan!!  

Yeah . . . I thought so too till he started scoring overhead kicks against teams that made our midfield look like the Carlsberg pub team

debosky:
That's not why - Wenger NEVER sells a player unless he decides to, except in cases like Flamini who left on a free.

You give Wenger too much credit . . .

debosky:
You may have a point there, but again, selling STRIKERS has never given us a problem! Our regression was due to TOO MANY MIDFIELDERS leaving and a failure to strengthen in defence. Quote me any day anywhere. The sale of Ade will be like the sale of Henry - a talented player who had become disruptive liberating the team to perform better.  

You always try to make things simple . . . too simple
Henry's sale was detrimental to the team, even AW knows that. . . TH14 plus Ade is definitely better than Ade-VanPersie

debosky:
Let's analyse this:
Gallas bedded down after the captaincy issue and produced the BEST FORM of his Arsenal career afterwards. Stopped talking to the press and gave his all.
Had a bad start, but came back strongly in the second half. STOPPED talking in the press and IMPROVED.
Kolo had a bad patch and was angry, but focused on the club in the run in, no more talking.
Ade kept talking, kept dissing fans till the very last day, spending an ENTIRE TV INTERVIEW CASTIGATING FANS and telling LIES. Seriously eldee, Ade's behaviour is unacceptable, especially since he has been doing this since LAST SUMMER.

Ade worships Wenger, if Wenger had come out to show him support like he did to half the team, Ade won't be in this whole mess now.
Ade was coming out everyday to answer questions like 'When will you score 20??' 'Was last season just a stroke of luck??' and the fans jumped on his back too . . .
All he needed was support from sumone, heck . . . even the whole team was against him

Dr Kitaun:
Thank u Jesus    

I actually tot all NL Gunners had gone brain-dead on this issue    

Come on . . . it only takes two Cup semifinal losses to get tired of the whole bullshit
I've visited the New Wembley so many times, i don't need stewards to identify my seats anymore . . . it's painful

debosky:
Henry left and we finished higher the next season. Vieira left and we got to the CL finals. . . . What exactly are you saying?  

Tell that to the Spurds . . . everyone knows Arsenal is a WIN-LOSE club . . . we don't do second
Why's the unbeaten season still fresh in the minds of every Arsenal fan?? Cus we won the fucking league!!!

debosky:
It's highly ridiculous to base a WHOLE team's fate on one player, especially one more interested in himself than the club.
What is stupid is Ade's attitude - how can a player place himself higher than a CLUB? We know he is good, but NOBODY is that good to disrespect the club. I'm sorry, Ade can score 100 a season if he wants - treating FANS with disrespect is a capital crime.
Ade is a player who decides when to perform, switches off against Utd in the CL semi finals and goes offside 100 times a game and causes the fans to have a negative attitude due to his comments. That is how you alienate fans, empty your stadium and lose other players.

Half the whole team did the same . . .
When you have one strand of grey hair, you pull it out. . . when it's a patch, you get some die.
AW shoulda tried his best to settle it in-house like he did with Gallas and Eboue

sirwebs:
@eldee, finding Ade was more luck than genius

Definitely . . . Ade was never a prodigy
We didn't buy him to score 25 in one season, we bought him to be a Bendtner/Kanu
We were lucky to get a poacher when we paid for a back-up striker.

debosky:
That remains the reality - Ade is regarded as dispensable due to his disruptive influence. Heck AW refused to sell Eboue to get Melo but is selling Ade!    

Erm . . . because Eboue is not worth 25mil

debosky:
So winning is what makes you a selling club and not actually selling?   How daft.

DEFINITELY!!! You're only a selling club if the sale is detrimental to the team.
Man Utd sells, they win the UCL . . . We sell, we start struggling with Villa.

debosky:
Adebayor's attitude is off, while Dudu is a consummate professional in addition to skills. I am not even depending on Dudu for 20+ If he scores the same 16 as Ade did last season, he would've been a success.  

Ade is getting too much stick for the same attitude shown by half the team.
Why's Gallas still an Arsenal player?? What of Bendtner?? Oh yeah . . . didn't Toure spew fuckery too??
Nah . . . Ade has to go cus the Arabs threw 25 mil at us . . . B.S

Dr Kitaun:
Eldee

God bless u my brother . . .

if only peeps know what this may cost us, IF it happens  

Trust Wenger to always act like things went on smoothly . . . that's the same thing that happened after Henry and Viera.
We'll prolly go unbeaten for two months till Van Persie gets injured and c'est fini, same ol' story

How can we breed a 5-goal-a-season striker till he starts scoring 8 goals in as many matches, then we sell him??
This is just stupid . . .
Ade is a striker that scores overhead kicks against the Newcastles and Spurs, scoring hattricks against Derby, that's how you win leagues

allboyz:
a fit and injury - free RVP and even BENDTNER ( with enough playing time) will score 30 goals a season in Arsenal Jersey with succulent passes from Cesc and other MF !!!!!

In our heart of hearts . . . we all know Van Persie will never be a consistent performer
And we know Bendtner is too immature to carry the burden of a week-in week-out targetman for a club as big as Arsenal, he'll let external influences affect his game

Good strikers are hard to find . . . finding Ade was more luck than genius. . . we do not need to sell him

@debosky
We do not need a 25-a-season striker to win the league, but it won't hurt if we had one . . . that's a no-brainer

We don't have a selling attitude . . . Every summer since Viera, I've come back from watching Wimbledon to see one or two key players go . . . and cheap too. . .that's not a selling mentality??

He's not interested in staying or the fans won't let him breathe?? It took Ronaldo 3 months to win England back after the Rooney incident, Ade woulda won the fans back in two weeks.

Do we really need to sell Ade??
He has a 25 in one season potential . . . I've not seen that in Van Persie
Hell . . . how many strikers in the EPL are uo to Ade's level??

Besides, this selling mentality has to stop . . . are we now a feeder club??

Got a light-skinned friend look like Michael Jackson/ Got a dark-skinned friend look like Michael Jackson
Kanye West - Slow Jamz

Is there still anyone that thinks his legacy won't be passed on?? It's already being reproduced in other artistes' music.

Now they wanna do ya boy like Mike in his prime/Billie Jean, the goddamn boy ain’t mine
Jay-Z - American Gangster

Black serial killer, man turns to gorilla/Provoked I change faces like Michael Jackson’s Thriller
Wyclef Jean - Ready Or Not

Come to Compton see Thriller like Mike Jackson/I might be, Spike Lee, of this gun clappin
The Game - West Side Story

@obinna5000
CLASSIC!!!

Watching Keri Hilson's performance at the BET Awards made me think of countless times rappers paid respect to the King even while he was alive.
I just gathered a few I could get . . .

We like the baddest thing, since Mike had Billy-Jean
Nas - Hey Nas

But nothing gives me chills like Douglas and Tyson
Or Mike when his talk was live
Or when he first did the moon walk on Motown 25
Nas - Can't Forget About You

Real sick, brawl nights, I perform like Mike
Anyone -- Tyson, Jordan, Jackson
Notorious B.I.G - Victory

This Is Bad, Real Bad, Michael Jackson
Kanye West - Knock You Down

These are the ones I can write off my head . . . feel free to add anyone you remember.

sistawoman:
some things to think about:

The one child will look differently than their other siblings, thus the child will ask about dad. Are you prepared to tell the truth or will you lie.
The other children will notice your preference for that child and might feel slighted will you over compinsate.
Do you plan to have this child before marriage to a Nigerian man?
How do you plan to overcome the cultural stigma of being a single mom?

Add to that . . .

Custody warfare from the the father's side.

Who needs a Gospel song when he had songs that moved millions to donate tme and money towards good causes.


Heal The World
We are The World
Earth Song

Your best success is my worst blunder

Nas - Make The World Go Round

[quote author=A-town link=topic=291120.msg4124521#msg4124521 date=1246548238]You are soooo off on this one.
JAMB does not have to be more than one afternoon because we have exams that test your ability over several years. . . . It is called WAEC.
Your admission is contingent upon passing WAEC and Jamb.
What is the difference between the system in the US and Nigeria? They have SAT (which is one day) and high school. Nigeria has Jamb(one day) and WAEC(involves your ss1-3 average and standardised tests on ssce days). You've got no point here.
Try something else[/quote]I knew sumone was going to bring that up . . .

How does WAEC use an SS1-3 average??
Are you being serious or are did your principal just feed you with bullshit??

The difference between the US and Nigerian systems??
The US system counts all the coursework, practicals, presentation and even extracurricular activities all through your high school years, the NIgerian system uses WAEC and with the UME alone, two snapshots to determne one of the most important decisions a man will ever make in his life.

If that sounds right to you, then I'll have to ask what university you graduated from.

Baro:
Examination is not the best test of ones knowledge, but it's still the only test

Have you heard of projects, coursework, work experience, presentations, practical work and essays??
Why's it Nigeria that uses one Multiple choice examination to see who goes into University??

In the UK, it's A-levels/Foundation (2 years), In the US it's high school and SATs(Even teachers' references count), in France and many other countries it's the International Baccalaureate (2 years).
All of these have more to them than the final exams  . . . what's wrong if the U.M.E is more than one Saturday afternoon thing??

Sagamite:
Examination is a useful test of your knowledge in a particular field, not a good test for intelligence.

My own definition of intelligence is the ability to consistently see not only the primary factors and perspectives of issues but also the the secondary and most of the tertiary factors and perspectives. Very few people have this ability.

Very few examinations in its present state test this, it is more an institution of cramming and regurgitating of segments of the curricullum of a certain field.

If you gave Bill Gates an exam on fashion design, he would fail woefully. Does that imply he is not intelligent?

I also include, controversially I admit, that my definition of intelligence is more predominantly present in logical and commercial fields, less so in artistic fields.

First of all, please stop derailing the thread with you absurd controversy theories.
Secondly, this thread is about tests of knowledge not Bill Gates IQ . . . no one's saying anyone should take IQ tests to get into uni