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tkb417:
^^^
they thought they were big and strong and could do without us

but reality dawned on them and now they are retracing their steps

Thats a pointer to what they can do if they ever grow bigger than us

i say sabotage them and dont let them grow

Next step should be to put a N1000 tax on the sale of Gollywood movies in Nigeria.
By the time we do that, we'll see if the industry won't die.

@hayo
I do apologise, I misread your post and assumed that your use of that adage was in reference to 9ice.
I'm not the Eldee you know and I don't ee how I've displayed emotions on this thread, in fact I know half the people I've replied here on first name basis.

olojoro:
Bane –noun
1.
a person or thing that ruins or spoils: Gambling was the bane of his existence.
2.
a deadly poison (often used in combination, as in the names of poisonous plants): wolfsbane; henbane.
3.
death; destruction; ruin.
4.
Obsolete . that which causes death or destroys life: entrapped and drowned beneath the watery bane.


My opponent asking me what the bane of MY argument is, is suggesting that MY argument was supposed to disprove MY argument/point (He's basically asking what killed my argument) . It could have been somewhat sensible if he asked me what the bane of HIS argument was, because he would have been asking why I thought his argument was obsolete.

I think you were reading my post that sort of paraphrased his. If you read his original post you might see what I'm getting at.

WHOA!!! 1st Round Knockout!!!!

You know the funniest thing, I'm going to a The Game concert on Tuesday. . . the irony.
El says he has a problem with this part of a rapper and it becomes, nah he hates anyone that' got beef with Jay-Z. I said I hated The Game's stupid apologies and y'all take it the wrong way. Didn't I support the beef and the Wavy track?? So that seems like having a problem with The Game??
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-300499.0.html#msg4282356
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-140450.0.html#msg2504154

Now I said, Ice Cube is cool but you can't diss Jay-Z, Dre and the likes for being fake when you're doing exactly the same. To y'all, it's 'I hate Ice Cube because he dissed Jay-Z' . . . and 'I hate Nas because he dissed Jay-Z ten years ago', 'I hate Eminem because he killed Jay-Z on Renegade' . . . you don't know how you sound when you do that.

As I said, I would like to discuss my I-tunes library with you and the rest of NL, but watching paint dry is more fun.

Moi?? I'm a big fan of beef as I said, I just have a problem with you guys blowing it out of proportion, that's being my stance ever since.
And yep, there's nothing wrong with you using Jay-Z as a cash cow, but you coming out to say Jay-Z has a peronal grudge against him??

Aiite . . .Will Smith, The Wayan Bros, M.I, Nicki Minaj, Drake, etc all have personal grudges against King Hammer.

I'm a FIFA gamer, but I've got yellow light of death on mine, I'll challenge you to COD/FIFA when I get back to London.
I don't mind trashing you on every level

ElRazur:
Ma tan raa for there. You know I see through your argument. Anyway, I won't drag this any more. ko worth e rara as any body that disagree with you ain't reasoning well. Ironically you also accuse hip-hop fans of being blind, yet in this thread, stevie wonder see pass you sef.

Nasir and jayz being buddy mean shittt to the point at hand. The fact of the matter remain, you are a jigganite and do not see anything wrong in whatever jigga get up to, even if it is plain wrong. Also you have problem with anyone who throws shot at jigga. Oh plus you ain't objective. That one na the koko.

Meaning you bringing up Nas and The Game was irrelevant to the issue at hand. . . glad you can see that.
And I'm a Jigganite?? Don't worry next week I'll call you when sumone calls me a Drakite and a Eminem stan.
I don't mind you leaving the issue at hand and discussing Eldee's playlist, it's fun.

At the end of the day, did Hov do anything wrong by referring to MC Hammer?? No!!! He's not the first to use a popular culture reference. 'Will I blow all of this money baby, Hammer Time?' - Drake
Did MC Hammer do anything wrong by releasing a diss track?? No!!! It's not unreasonable to diss one of the biggest rappers out there, dissing Nicki Minaj, Drake will not help him sell the uncharted albums he's been dropping since his 'comeback'.

About objectivity, your fact is 'MC Hammer is successful with his record label and has more fans than Jay-Z', mine is 'MC Hammer would rather he owned Roc Nation than Nameless Inc.'.

tkb417:
Eldee, when next she buys This Day, let her skip Azukas column

But she paid for it and she shouldn't have to leave out 2% of the paper becaue the Editor will not do his job properly and cut out the lies.
I grew up learning about how press like Newsweek used to go extra to discover the truth, Dele Giwa even got killed for discovering ecret info bout IBB's drug deals, today's journalists get their news from Nairaland and market talk and we shouldn't stand for that.

hayo:
I hope hope the Eldee on NL is not the same Eldee that I respect so much. The man who sings with intellectual flavor attached to the lyrics and a swagger to die for . If he is, I don't expect him to even comment on such a thread. You might say silence is not so golden; but hmmmm , our elders know what they are talking about. Leave it to people out of the industry to do all the analysis and what not.

You know why your elders said silence was the best answer?? Because they didn't make their money from being in the public eye.
It's because they didn't do press releases on everything that happens in their marriage after doing a track to say their wife was fluting their bet friend.
Silence from the onset is golden, but you don't shout at first and then resort to silence when it's more convinient.

And abeg cut your elder talk . . . they were people like you, only difference is that they lived in times when it was cool to trade their people for mirrors and lumps of sugar.

ElRazur:
Eldee just gets Hot when anyone says anything he do not like about jigga. The only reason he is saying stuff about Ice cube is down to the fact that there was a recent video that ice cube appeared to have said something about Jayz.

Oh add The Game and Nas to that list of people eldee don't like. But he will never admit but claim he don't like them for releasing "whack" albums.

Nas is Jay-Z's fuckbuddy right now, The Game came out to apologise to Jay-Z and I till think he's daft. . . your point is??

I like when people like you don't reason properly before saying things . . . my grudge against Ice Cube is the fact that he come out to call people like Dre, Em and Hov phonies, claiming that he's some gangsta at this age when he's prolly jamming in sum Belair mansion listening to Cindy Lauper.
I always said hiphop fans are kinda blind, but this takes it to a new level.

BTW wasn't I B.O.B's number one fan two days ago?? It's become an argument of convenience to just stick a new rapper's pic on my forehead anytime I make a comment y'all don't agree with.

@Bamsyle

I don't like this whole fave rapper business . . . I feel ish from different people at different times.

I don't like fake thugs . . . it's not a thing against gangsta rappers.
There's a difference between telling a story like Nas does and lying. . . anyone that live in Beverly Hills and tells me he'll stick a knife in my neck is a liar.

And I don't really care bout how fake he is, his platinum days are long gone, but when you go on to diss others about not being 'real' enough, then you should be shot.
Now you can go on and write an epistle about how that shouldn't matter, but deep inside, we both know that these guys are phonies.

@El Razur

I don't get your whole first paragraph but get to the point, are you implying that MC Hammer is more famous than Jay-Z is right now?? Way to go Mr 'I'm always objective'.

You wanna be brutal?? MC Hammer is a desperate has-been. A music icon?? Yep, but still a has been.
I told you I don't have anything personal against him, Jay-Z doesn't either, he wrote the book before all this B.S, you on the other hand are the one saying it was a personal attack which in my own opinion doesn't have an ounce of objectivity in it.

Hehehe . . . ye ma gora e, MC Hammer cannot sell out my school hall.
Look at you talking about objectivity, when you won't admit that Hammer cannot outsell Wale if he releases a new album.

I don't see anything wrong with him throwing shots at Jay-Z, I'm a fan of beef, I've just got a problem with the fact that you're saying it like Jay-Z took a personal jab at him and also the fact that you don't want to admit that fame and a return to limelight is what's fuelling the reply. Jay-Z is not the first person to do it.

It must be sad to watch a music icon make a fool of himself on Youtube though . . . that diss song and the video put a new definition to wackness.

dayokanu:
9ice released the track when he was still with Payne and 9ice even said the track wasnt about her. On ruggeds phone call he said it

What more do you want 9ice to do NitoriOlorun!!!!!

I don't want anything from 9ice anymore, I just think he's a coward and an egotistical one at that . . . imagine that ingrate saying his fans are stupid??
If it took sumn like a bugged call to make you admit sumn so harmless and handle your marriage matters internally, then he should be ashamed of himself.

slimshay:
2. Eldee, I don knw you tey for NL, but even as you are putting forth rational argument, they are coming outta ya a$$. Who will ever have time to make music if all they did was sit in front of cameras to explain the meaning of the words in verse 2 line 6. Jeez!!!!

Like I once said this is the type of mentality that make illiterate, jobless women and in some cases men, start stoning or insulting Joke Silva because they saw her poison Olu Jacobs in 'Marital Love' or wateva.

You don't get it, it's gone bigger than the song now . . . it's no more the 'Did Usher impregnate a chic like he said in Confessions' matter anymore.
This has given birth to a rumour that's now being used as evidence in press trials.

You can't compare it to acting and the 'Omoge mi' song anymore, it now has a life and this is bad for 9ice' ex-wife, his friend and most importantly his child.
Your words in songs shouldn't be taken serious, but this has . . . you have to remedy it, and silence just doesn't cut it.
It's the same way Jay-Z had to come out to kill the Illuminati rumours and how Eminem had to collabo with Elton John to prove that he wasn't homophobic, this one thing will not hurt him but not doing it is hurting a lot of people.

I'm not good at moral debates, but please see where I'm coming from.

Now that said, moving to the issue of Ms Onwenu's outburst, there's a limit to what you can take.
If someone came out and said sumn about any of my pals, I really don't care where you heard it from, you're dead if you're not bigger than me. Isn't loyalty the most important part of friendship??

Leaving that aside, The press has labelled her a slut without any single proof. Not only that, they've made other inferences based on these baseless accusations. e.g she was only married to him for the fame . . . come on.
Now if this where the UK, the courts won't care whether it's true or not, you don't have proof and you pay a massive fine.

In this situation where the law is not there to protect the citizens from the press, then the readers should be allowed to protect themselves from B.S.
How many times have I written to Kick Off to tell them they know nothing about football??

Why?? I'm a consumer.

dayokanu:
If the slut doesnt think of protecting herself when she was sucking the sausage. Then why should I bother.

Let the child grow up and determine who brought shame to the union. The father who kept quiet or the mother who went about sucking lollipop

You seem to forget that it's not shameful if people didn't find out and the only reason it's a big issue is because 9ice released a song bout it.
In his refusal to deny it, and his song . . . he's done enough to bring shame on the child whether she did it or not.

And yeah, Nas has denied that the thing ever happened in many interviews.

@Dayo

Even when your wife wishes you dead, your child still comes first.

If he releases the sex tapes, then you know that you took the disgrace on behalf of your child.
It happened with Nas and Jay-Z . . . till today, he wouldn't still admit that Jay-Z shagged his baby-mama while they were together.

tkb417:
Brilliant post

This is why ure my favourite Nlder

i protect the child not the slut

Ahhh . . . egbon mi atata.

Thing is, the best way to protect the child is to protect the 'slut' too.
So you have to do it, it's taking one for the team.

tkb417:
Eldee
its a principle thing. There are no rules to this

One mans meat is another mans poision. If the Lady didnt think of the child b4 doing whatever she did ( Still not saying she did b4 people attack me), then why would the man be saddled with the burden of clearing the air?

Your child still comes first whatever happens, there are no two ways about it.
Even if she shags the whole of Lagos, you always protect the child.

@Dayo

Silence is not golden in show business . . . it's only golden to people who don't make a living off being noisy.
When you come out and sing a song that calls your wife a cheat and then hold a press conference to say you're leaving her . . . you lose your right to use silence as the golden reply.

tkb417:
i cannot be liable to my ex wife

You are liable to your child and maybe the mother of the child.

@Dayo

It's about proportionality . . . now there's some evidence that could point to the fact that she did it.

1. They severed the marriage.
2. He sang about it.
3. People put life to it by involving Ruggedman.

Now this is bigger than . . .Eldee slept with a goat thing, and it affects your child, and it's a country where these things are not taken lightly.
If there was circumstantial evidence to prove that I slept with a goat, then I'd have to come out and refute it, especially if it concerns my family and my friend too.

dayokanu:
Even if the mother of your children commits murder? Assuming Toni did, Did she consider her family and her first son when she was fluting Rugged?

If she did, she didn't consider her family first, but now you step up and be the bigger man.
It's your family man . . . you protect them to death.

The mother of the Columbine guy will never come out to admit that he's a murderer, she'll come out and say he had issues but 'he was nice at heart'.
Maybe I grew up different, but I always learnt that family comes first.

tkb417:
ill be a coward if in his shoes

best to be a coward than to be a sucker of my buddys member of parliament

if you came out to say or i found out she did?

which of them?

NOTE: I havent said she did ( im assuming she did)

Come on . . . no one is asking you to keep kissing her, you divorce her and leave her but come out and clear the rumour.
Even if she did it . . . it's just to protect your child and the woman you were once married to.

A man lives for his family, anything less than that is cowardice.

@Dayokanu and Tkb

If I came out to say your wife and the mother of your first child shagged your friend, what would you do??

TeskyMan:
@ eldee,

I wouldn't take that from you. What proof did you get? Where did you get your proof from? The only truthful proove you can get must come from either Toni  or 9ce while both are sitted to explain issues, any other fact is just an earsay. Remember, they were once marriage and it's not as easy as we think. Let me tell you, both of them knows where it all went wrong and the two only can tell us what ensued.

I am not a fans of 9ce neither am i for Toni, obviously i love the former's lyrics.

I want to beg of you all, not to delve into a divorce marriage issue simply because we will unconsciously take side no matter how objective we may think we are.

My 2 cent.

The truth I got was 9ice not being able to come out and say she did it in the phone convo.
Now in a real court, that evidence is not admissible, but in a moral court like this,that's a beyond reasonable doubt proof.

dayokanu:
How is 9ice a coward? Someone who refused to discuss the affairs on a bugged phone line is now the coward?

I guess he would have been good in your books if he had come out and released their sex tapes

Dude, if someone came out to say that the mother of my child sucks off my friend based on my song's lyrics, I won't need a bugged phoneline to clear the rumour.
I swear, even if she did it, the fact that she's the mother of my child and the fact that it only became a big story because of my song will make me lie about it.

Cowardice is letting your child suffer this because you don't like the mother.

spikedcylinder:
Onyeka really shouldn't have gotten herself involved in this rubbish beef.

The worst atrocities happen because people refuse to speak up.

It's cool when it's just Rugged Vs 9ice beef, but it goes to the extent that the press starts painting her black and forgetting that 9ice is just a coward . . . then someone has to speak up.
I never saw Toni Payne come out to say anything about 9ice, she's not come out to stir anything and she's the one that gets blamed. . . even after proof has come out that she didn't do anything.

I'm a fan of rap beef but let it stay as rap beef, we need to draw the line and the idiots in the 'press' need to get a real job. . . come on.
Nigeria should be more advanced than this.

@Elrazur

Yeah . . . MC Hammer is rich and all famous, he doesn't like the fame.
His music career isn't dead, he's as successful as he used to be in the 90s.

You talk like you don't understand the music business. I get the fact that Can't Touch This is still on top of the Billboard charts of you Ipod, but step out of the bubble, this is the most famous MC Hammer has been since the 90s, this is a simple smart decision.
If I could diss Jay-Z and get money and fame of it, I would . . . I don't have to be bankrupt to do that.


[quote author=Bamsyle. link=topic=543664.msg7075932#msg7075932 date=1288859407]Eldee, don't mess with Ice Cube o - he's not ya average MC at all . . . one of the most respected in the game . . . you can't blame him for his boldness and guts.[/quote]Boldness?? Yeah, not being bold enough to drop the fake gangsta act.
He's a disgrace to the black race.

So is it Are We There Yet or Bleep the Popo??

ElRazur:
Eldee,

Me I see your point. While every one may have taken shot at him, and use him to epitomise or symbolise being broke. I think there is a limit to one can take, and I am guessing Hammer reached the limits hence his reaction towards Jay Z. Having said that, I still of the belief that taking shot at such age is pointless in my opinion.

Nah, he didn't reach the limit, he just found a cash cow, I think him blowing it out of proportion is just daft.

Don't do this to us . . . post it abeg. PLEEEAASE!!!

Genuflect:
Odape o fe fi irunmu e fa generator abi

O fe fi eraser nu pencil jeans ni??
Abi o fe fi MOPO se Jack Bauer??

da student:
The American was majorly boring cause come to think of it,any film made in Europe is boring except its romantic and their is a lot of nudity.
You guys should check out spill.com or look for spill reviews on youtube.You would really laugh your behind off.
http://www.youtube.com/user/spillcom#p/u/15/W_VhCCoHYO4 (the American),

I beg to differ . . . we gave y'all the Pianist, The Boy With Striped Pajamas and many other Oscars winners.

Wall Street: Money Never Sleeps

This movie sucks . . . I watched the first part just a day before I saw the sequel.
People should look at this and see how to make a movie suck using the same storylines.

They put in a woman, and emotions and popified it . . . result is a waste of two hours.
I gues they were just milking the recession.

Fred87:
@eldee.wat has d topic got2 do wit mode9,if u continue lyk dis,in d words of tosinadeda 'u'll neva blow'

Oponu!!!

ElRazur:
As usual eldee standing up for Jayz while missing the point.  I am a fan of hammer but I have remained objective so far, can you do the same?

No one likes to be the butt of any joke.  Period.  Surely, jayz can make another punchline without referring to hammer if he is a purveyor of punchlines like you want us to believe.  No? 

Let's call a spade, a spade jare. It was a punch below the belt line. Very crude if you ask me.

As per talking about riches, while there is nothing wrong with it, but it breaks every unwritten rules of hip-hop due to the fact that it has been done to death. After rapping about flossing, maybach, chilling in St Tropaze with shirt off while smoking cigar and similar lines, what is left?  You see THAT is the problem.  But as a jayz fan I bet you won't see it so. 

Edit
It may be worth adding that hammer is not broke, he reinvented himself and doing okay, but you don't hear that in the media.

Missing the point?? Nah, I'm arguing against your point.
Why won't you accept that MC Hammer is the pop culture synonym for broke just like Amy Winehouse/Whitney Houston = Crackhead??
It's not a 'punch below the belt' . . .it's everyday talk, Bush=Daft, Osama=Bomber, Mohammed Ali=Champ, Ether=Diss, R Kelly= Peado, JFK=Sniped Down . . . you don't use these words thinking 'I'm hailing this guy' or 'I hate Amy'.

Even in movies and TV shows . . . I remember hearing 'Are we Martha Stewart broke or MC Hammer broke??' on White Chics, why didn't he do a diss song for that?? Is that a below the belt one too??
Nikki Minaj, Drake, Fresh Prince of BelAir and many other brands use MC Hammer's name as punchlines for jokes. . . you deciding to use this as a cheap excuse to criticise Jay-Z's money talk is what I find hilarious.

Now money talk . . . what unwritten rule of rap does it break?? Have you heard Diamonds Are Forever (Remix)??
Oh, so we should ban gangster rap too because it has been done to death?? And yeah, we should stop Usher from singing love songs because Luther Vandross overdid it?? Be objective man . . .

Rules of rap and lyrics are clear . . . self expression is the main thing.
He's expressing the life he lives, with Reasonable Doubt it was drug dealing, now it's being part of corporate America.
I rate him over that Ice Cube that's still acting like he lives in Compton . . . freaking phonies.

@El

Do you acrually thing Jay has a personal thing with MC Hammer??
That negro is hiphop's walking punchline. . .

The last beef Jay-Z was in was the race war against Cristal.

Calling MC Hammer broke is just like saying George Bush is daft, it's engrained in popular culture . . . MC Hammer is just using it to get people talking.
To think he even has a twitter page.

And there's nothing wrong with talking bout being rich same way there's nothing wrong with Kanye spending his first album talking bout being broke.
You rap about things you can relate to, and he does relate to the G-4 pilots.