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OmoPastor:
pato405
suddenly you are introducing yourself as the saviour of the nigerian populace and the defender of the poor and the weak. unfortunately, with this attitude of yours and your use of vulgar words and languages, you need some slap too. if you take an account of your life, you would see that despite all your anger and abuses of the MOGs, it has not changed anything neither has it brought the MOGs down. can't you see that your wahala is useless and unfruitful?

no matter what you believe or think is right, no one has given you the responsibility of policing MOGs, so get a job!
remember, when they claimed they were called by God, you were not there neither  were you informed so stay away from what you do not know!

I dare say, you might be an agent for the devil without your knowledge cos you freely slander MOGs with your tongue, its a clear indication that you are anti-christian.

Who said that.

The can be Policed and should be Policed by everybody.

What do you think will happen if all his Students from his [b]bible school [/b]start slapping every witch.

Isn't it shocking that you see noting wrong in Oyedepo's action, because he is a MOG.

TRUTHTELA:
@ eros THANK YOU! Why did'nt people from Lekki go to support LASU students when they were protesting against HIKE in their school fees. I tell you what, Lekki residents will never protest against SUBSIDY REMOVAL. WHY? WHY?, When they get to any gas station & they attendant will tell them the current price ( 150 ),they'll only speak ENGLISH, WITH BRITISH or AMERICAN ACCENT, @ that point & that's it. he or she will buy full tank & drive off. I understnad you, but we are not such people.

LOL,

Stop generalizing, those rich people you are talking about are few.

70% of Lekki residence are poor.

With these their bad network

quomo:
@daretothink

I beg to disagree.
This lady came out during an altar call for witches. From her action, it means she knew what she was and what she was doing.
A witch works for the devil and not for God. Each being knows its source.
Its not out of place then to substitute a 'witch' for 'devil' since the devil is their father.
This does not qualify as name calling, its simply stating a fact.

What has human right laws got to do with the Devil or spiritualism.

You still fail to see that his actions criminal.

mekaboy:
LET GOD BE THE JUDGE- MAKE UNA LET GOD DO THE JUDGEMENT BEFORE UNA GO INCUR CURSE UPON YOURSELVES , EVEN WHEN SAUL WAS MISBEHAVING, DAVID COULD NOT TOUCH HIM, BECAUSE HE WAS ANOINTED BY GOD. SO IF THE MAN IS MISBEHAVING, LET GOD BE THE JUDGE, REMEMBER HE CAN STILL BE ANOINTED AND MISBEHAVE .   IF DEVIL CAN ENTER INSIDE THE GIRL AND USE HER MOUTH TO TALK RUBBISH GOD FIT ENTER THE MAN OF GOD AND USE HIM HAND SLAP DEVIL  

Sorry Oyedepo is subject to powers(Government,Police and Judges) on earth here.

He must respect the laws of the land. Or else

[quote author=alj_harem link=topic=827167.msg9786120#msg9786120 date=1324148436]If they are indigenes of those villages and are poor and it so happens that they "have cars"( poor having cars)

then they can issue a special exempted from the toll by giving them a from a sticker for them to place on the front screen of their cars.

the working class living in those villages and have cars can pay the ONE toll gate as I suggested initially.[/quote]You want to compare a salary earner with 100k car and a big man with N12m car with N42m mansion.

You also forget that transporter will increase their fees.

How salary earner can buy a house in those estates.

They don't come cheap.

OmoPastor:
@ emmatok
what has rev king got to do with this video? how can you shut me up simply cos you do not agree with me? guy, express your opinion and stop the abuse. do you think your unguided utterances justify the point you are trying to make. you are very immature in your manner of approach, its very unfortunate  

The-same way Rev king assaulted and murder his member all in the name of deliverance.

If you are matured enough you will know that assault is not justified by the bible.

You people are destroying Christianity.

[quote author=alj_harem link=topic=827167.msg9785999#msg9785999 date=1324147534]Yes I know. but those that would be using the toll gates are the working class people isn't it majorly in lekki phase 1 ?

Those living in the villages can be exampled from the toll gate. [/quote]How will that happen.

Will put a mark on their forehead differentiating the rich from poor.?

For your information most working class Lekki residence live in those villages.

lekki phase 1 and other estates are filled with money bags and not salary earners.

Lovine:
Lets be sincere to ourselves, if God or His servants refused us deliverance whom shall we go to? A mad man don't need to be sane or have faith before he receives deliverance or what do you think? A witch many a times don't know he is one until he is delivered, so what Oyetepo did was to say he can't be able to deliver the lady so the lady should deliver him. Jesus never refused anyone unless the person has no faith or don't believe. But on the case of this lady she is a witch as she claimed that's means she has no faith and needs the faith of the man of God to deliver her. Faithless generation.

You and that MOG need deliverance from money and man worshiping.

I wish that Lady gets a good lawyer to fight her case and sap some cash out of the MOG.

[quote author=alj_harem link=topic=827167.msg9785850#msg9785850 date=1324146400]I see your point but Lekki is an expensive area and as such the people that live there are the high and might of the society.

In recent years, more people have being moving their and as such the toll gate is a form of deterring people from moving there.

Lagos state is losing land fast and at the current level of urbanisation, it does not take a prophet to know that within 50 years, there would be no land left in Lagos.

Look at it as a form of tax basically.

But I want to make it clear, 3 toll gates is pushing it. I would rather it is just 1 toll gate.[/quote]Lekki is not an expensive area, those estate are filled with empty Mansions.

70% of Lekki residence live outside those estates in Villages.

You cannot compare Sand filled Lekki to VI, Ikoyi, GRA, Ilupeju and Antony .

OmoPastor:
@ all angry posters.

what do you know? do you know the power of words? do you think she was innocent and unread that was why she said all that? see you people, kiddies in spiritual realities. you guys are so canal that you were so easily deceived by the so called innocent possessed girl. why do you guys find it easy passing judgement on matters that you have the slightest experience in?

you can keep running your mouths but be rest assured when a devil slaps you like that you will never remain the same!
the girl was very lucky that she was not beaten like back in those days with C&S churches. there are times you discuss with such people but there are times you show them hard love.

and to all the enemies of the MOG, i advise that you be careful who you fight, you may not just find some explanations to some strange happenings in your life (this is not a threat, its reality), so watch your words!

on the other side, i am not a supporter of the MOG but am basically an admirer and follower of the MOG, i do not give a hoot whatever you think or say. the girl is not naive, many of you are carnal and spiritually blind so you think she's innocent and humble. my prayer for you people is that God will never allow you fall into the hands of these so called innocent demonic agents. they do not play fair, they are not innocent, they know what they are doing and saying but if you take them at face value sometimes you may pay for it with your life.

furthermore, the slap is not as humiliating as she coming out to the whole world identified as a witch. does any of you angry posters know how many lives, destinies, children this girl have destroyed and maimed? do you know how many accidents and deaths this girl has caused probably some of you are in the same mess caused by people like this. there are no good witches cos the devil does not do anything good.

for some of you that associate with the devil and his activities, its either you are making a very expensive joke which is dangerous to your life or you are actually one of his agents. so arguing with people like this is useless, what you do to them is to cast out the evil spirit.

and to those muslims who are using this medium to utter rash words, i advise you back off cos you know nothing about what we are talking about here. remember that someone somewhere only drew cartoon about your leader and the whole world was almost boiling. you resist words spoken against you leader with vehement anger but here in this case you do not understand how things transpire in christianity so back off!!!

i welcome more of your comments and i will adequately reply them but do not make them personal and do not go off the topic.

Just Shut-up there  .

The-same way you people supported Rev.King killing his member in the name of deliverance.

So Oyedepo assault is now justified because he is a MOG.

YOU PEOPLE KNOWS NOTING ABOUT CHRISTIANITY.

JUST FOLLOW FOLLOW.

That Pastor should be arrested and jailed for assault.

A DSP sleeping with DIG.

I am sure that was how she got promoted the DSP.

She is just Phocking her way up the ladder.

LOL,

MAGUN don catch am.

sheyguy:
if u aren't one urself u wouldn't talk d way u r talking, it is victory for the system @ large becos :
sorting of 1k to for 20 mark test to lecturers can be phased out.
Sorting of 30-40k for admission into even depts like law will b no more.
Girls runzing the womb out for marks and guys going into crime will reduce.
Some silly folks which u r likely one of them (no insult intended pls) will no longer hijack TAXPAYER'S money by bribing their way thru and claim the r smart while those who work thier azzes off for grades/admission r fo.ols.
There will be money for equipment and materials for running the school.

The benefits r much.

IT IS A BIG VICTORY 4 EDUCATION IN LAGOS.

LOL,

I shows you realty went to school.

So paying higher school fees will stop these menace . LWKMD [b]

[/b]Folk at Covenant UNi and other high paying schools know better.

That is a very good project.

Peeps invest in Lagos everyday and shoprite is no difference.

Politicians should stop using every project to get cheap publicity.

Only in Africa we see politician getting cheap publicity for everything, like is not their duty to perform.

Another superstitious woman from MFM.

Since she could't cook-up Physical abuse [/b]against her husband, she immediately turned to [b]Spiritual abuse.

Too much drama going on in her head.

Guy don't fall for her antics.

She just wants you, she does not love you.

She just realized  no man can tolerate her nonsense.

Move on with your life and be happy.

df2006:
if sambo ever grow the balls to go to the den of boko haram, to negotiate peace he would have substantially contributed to the effort like i said concerning jonathan.

And who told you Sambo is not Negotiating Peace.

How did GEJ solved militancy when he was Bayelsa State governor with all his executive powers.

OP:Why Do Very Smart (intellectual) People Suck In Romance?

ME: They are too logical to be emotional.

df2006:
countless nos of times you have been proved wrong here, some have even taken their time to educate you, but you still come here to spew forth rubbish, notice i say, you are unstable? we don't argue for argument sake, it is to learn, beaf having brought out an article to prove to you that goodluck was a substantial effort in the amnesty process, you will still come tmoro and argue that he did nothing, dude grow up.

Sorry for your Information Yaradua gets full credit for the amnesty process and not GEJ.

Or will you give[b] Sambo[/b] credit for negotiating with BOKO-HARAM, if it dies down tomorrow?NO.

dmainboss:
I come here trying to discuss with forward thinking Nigerians and all I see are idio.tic rascals posing as progressives (whatever that means these days). If you guys actually passed your exams in school and didn't use shukuli, then you would have tried to dissect the issues and discuss intelligently. But alas, you cannot, because you went to school with free education but no books and chairs to sit on. Lets break down the issues and lets see how much you know. Lets take away the insults and lets test your brains and see if you really passed your exams or you used expo!

You messed up when you introduced tribe to the discussion, next time stick to the issue.



FROM dmainboss

It is now very obvious that those criticizing GEJ here on NL are partisan,  tribal bigots and absolute morons. You have been screaming the man should not remove subsidy, now he says, OK let me consult and see how we can go around it, then you come back to NL and scream he should remove it or he has backed down because he is clueless.

Of course I am not surprised because it is obvious those of you posting here are ACN and CPC members. You do not love Nigeria or seek its good. You are just Yoruba and (some) northern tribal bigots who are not happy GEJ is president just because he is from a minority. From your posts, it is obvious you have no clue what you are talking about but it doesn't matter really because now we know where you stand.

It is a pity though because it will come back and bite you in the behind soon. Obviously, there is nothing you can do about GEJ's presidency because he will go down in history as the best president ever and the man that changed Nigeria forever. You can keep hating till you get ulcer but it wont change a thing.

Remii:
^^Tell them, NLC does not represent everybody in Nigeria, they represent only their members not even all workers. TUC is for Senior staff and Managers have no union.

When NLC went on strike during OBJ regime, where you able to do anything meaningful.

Eteks:
It's worrisome how much misinformation is deliberately put out there about this road. It's also worrisome that some people resort to abuse and intimidation when doing so, which is frankly-speaking no way to get your point across. Let's examine the facts around some of the misinformation:

(1). There is definitely an alternative route around the 1st toll gate in Lekki. For example, from VI, turn right at Oniru Intersection into Oba Yesufu Oniru Rd, drive by Four Points Hotel, City of David Church, Atlantic Beach Estate, eventually onto Oniru Market Road, and back onto the expressway. You won't have paid any toll but you will still enjoy the new expressway. I live in the area and drive the route regularly, so I know that the alternative route to bypass the toll gate does exist. The alternative route to bypass the second toll gate by Chevron is half-completed. That is why the government is not allowing LCC to start collecting tolls there yet. I've driven there to see the road myself, which you can access from Chevron Drive, and I can confirm that it does exist.

(2). Tinubu does not own LCC as is falsely claimed by people trying to tarnish the company's reputation. If you check the records at the corporate affairs commission in Abuja, you will see that there is no past or present govermor or other government official on the list of shareholders.

(3). Lekki-Epe Expressway is not the only road currently being tolled in Lagos. Tolls have been collected at the Airport Road by Murtala Muhammed International Airport for years.

(4). The work done by LCC is more thanthe addition of 2 lanes as often claimed. They have built the new dual-lane Falomo ramp bridge; they expanded Mobil Bridge from 4 to 8 lanes; they have built several pedestrian bridges; there are several new roundabouts, new traffic lights and street lights, new drainage systems, new underground service ducts, etc. LCC also provides what they call incident management services, which are complementary, such as free towing if you breakdown, ambulance services, route patrols, a free-of-charge customer helpline, etc. They say that they've helped over 7,000 distressed motorists. I'm one of those that got a free tow, which saved me about N50,000.

(5).  Lagos State never borrowed $43M from a South African bank and then gave the money to LCC to start the work, as claimed by some people.  The website of Standard Bank group, when describing how the financing of the project was structured, confirmed that Lagos State advanced a loan to LCC at financial close. A loan is not a gift and has to be paid back. That event happened in 2008, while the loan was actually for a sum of N5Bn. This loan should be viewed in context of the N43Bn of shareholders equity and other loans that LCC had already secured for the project, as we have heard about in various forum where LCC's CEO has publicly explained how the project was financed. I've attended some of those forums myself. Furthermore, since the work started in 2007, it should be clear that LCC used funds other thanthe Lagos State loan advanced to them in 2008, to start up the work.

I'll probably have a torrent of abuse rained on me by some people for saying this, however, I believe that if we look at the facts objectively, we'll see that these LCC guys have done a lot, and more. They've not only brought in a lot of money to rehabilitate and service a road which although built over 30 years ago, was in fast deteriorating and unsafe condition, but have also helped to restore confidence of investors in Lagos and Nigeria at large. Isn't this what government at both state and federal level are saying they want in order to take the country forward?  This project needs to be debated at the level of progress and development, and not be reduced to petty politics and trying to destroy a good thing. That's like cutting your own nose to spite your face!

So you registered on NL, just to feed us with torrent of LIES

Those Alternative you mentioned are[b] streets within Estates [/b], you forgot to tell us tell us that those Alternative road have GATES.

Why rehabilitate and service an old road just to collect Tolls.

Why not built a new one and collect tolls on it.

We are just lucky that 3rd Mainland bridge, Ikorodu-road and Badagry Express are Federal roads, else Fashola/Tinubu will collect tolls for serving them.

Kobojunkie:
I found this while searching for references to the existence, or non, of alternative routes and was not sure of the content since I was not able to find other refs to the same.  

Any who, my question is, are any of these routes available?
http://ekoonibajeng.com/index.php?topic=4972.0

Still On Lekki-Epe Expressway PPP Contract,

Written by Seyi Osiyemi  
Monday, 29 March 2010 14:27


The concept of Public-Private Partnership is not “Nigerian”. It’s a concept that was developed in the western world. However, it’s become common practice for governments in Nigeria to borrow a foreign concept and turn it on its head.

Still On Lekki-Epe Expressway PPP Contract, by Seyi Osiyemi

Just over a year ago, I wrote a piece on the Lekki-Epe Expressway Public-Private Partnership contract between Lagos State Government and Lekki Concession Company. My criticism at the time was informed by the decision of LCC to install three toll booths on the 44km arterial road. I couldn’t understand the concessionaire (LCC) tolling strategy. Why for example would a local resident making a short trip between Sangotedo and Ajah be subjected to a toll. I asked the question if the toll is targeted towards local traffic or long distance travellers?

Fast forward to 2010, only 2km of the proposed 44km road widening project has been completed, even though we were told in 2006 that the project will be completed within three years. The concessionaire, LCC put the construction cost of the 2km upgrade at N5billion. However, some of the tolling booths have been constructed, and there are “unconfirmed” reports that LCC intends to start charging commuters for using a road that is technically, “still under construction”.

The concept of Public-Private Partnership is not “Nigerian”. It’s a concept that was developed in the western world. However, it’s become common practice for governments in Nigeria to borrow a foreign concept and turn it on its head.

As PPP has now become a “buzz word” in government quarters, it is important that the government realise that concessions can sometimes create a private monopoly or extreme dominance, with consequent market power, which is prone to be abused. This makes the design of the concession agreement important so that adequate protection is given to consumers.

The Lekki-Epe contract defies the basic principles and world’s best practice on Public-Private Partnerships. From my experience in the transport industry, I’m yet to come across a PPP contract that involves the tolling of a road without an alternative. As we know, there is no alternative “passable” road along the Lekki-Epe axis. Therefore, handing this road over to a private company to upgrade under a 30-yr concession is contrary to principles of social equity. The concessionaire, LCC, has basically become a private monopoly by default.

It’s been noted that there are plans by the LASG to build an alternative road along the Lekki shoreline. So why was LCC not encouraged to build the alternative road under a PPP agreement? And what’s the timeframe for the completion of this alternative road? Ideally, toll roads in major urban areas are aimed at making available a priced ‘premium’ service as an alternative to competing congested roads on the unpriced network, while covering full costs, including a target rate of return on capital.

The allegations by a local community group that, LCC is planning to commence road user charging soon on a road that is still under construction is also quite disheartening. It calls into question, the openness and transparency of the project procurement process,

http://www.elombah.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&catid=67%3Aseyi-osiyemi&id=3235%3Astill-on-lekki-epe-expressway-ppp-contract&Itemid=57

The One:
I have been following this thread for the past 2 days and have been holding myself back from commenting. There's a lot of uninformed commentary here from a lot of people who obviously don't know much about the area in question. The first myth I want to correct is the talk that the people in the area covered by the road are rich. BIG FALLACY. Not up to 20% of the people are comfortable not to talk abt being rich. People see estates on the main road from phase 1 to jakande and conclude that represents the population of the place. I challenge anybody to go along any of the roads off the main road and see the abject squalor in those without ANY govt presence. Places like Ilasan, interior Agungi, igbo efon, alfa beach, lafiaji village, olugborangan, onigbongbo village, ikota village epecially the one behind the oando filling station, the slum at Ilaje and Alesh, Alaguntan village and if you branch into Ajah places like oke ira, owode, langbasa etc you will think you stepped into the 18th century. Now govt does nothing for these people and the only remnant bequeathed to them by Jakande is now being taken away by Fashola. You see why they'll fight with the last drop of their blood. Now if you say they don't contribute to the state coffers, what about the so-called rich ones that live in the estates. Again govt does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. All the estates come with their own amenities which the residents pay for because the govt will not do anything. The irony is that to do any project in that place costs an arm and a leg for consent and permits. I will not go into the argument about the morality or legality of the concession. Because of this issue, I went and checked my year-to-date playslip today and discovered to my chagrin that I've paid 8 million naira in PAYE taxes to the LASG this year alone! And someone will say Iam not entitled to a good road as the ONLY amenity govt provides for me?! Fashola cannot have it both ways, he either collects TAXES or TOLLS but not both of them.

Correct.

80% of Lekki-Aja - Epe residents live in those rural areas.

naptu2:
Bad portions of the  Oniru road were rehabilitated by Hitech. However, I gathered from people living further down the expressway that there are no alternatives to the 2nd & 3rd toll plazas (well, the only "alternative" is a sandy path along the coastline).

The Alternative road is supposed to be at the Shoreline which goes straight to EPE.

The Government is just playing politics with that road.

Kobojunkie:
Ukpabio!!!! lol

Are they allowed to gate the roads? 

He meant they are not Main roads, just streets linking one estate to the other.

And those estate people shut their gates at certain period for security reasons.

2AMLasgidi:
I work in Lekki Phase 1; I drive to and from this road every day. Since LCC has announced the tolling commencement date, I have cultivated the habit of using the alternative routes in the morning. I make my turning just by the[b] Four Point junction through Oba Yesufu Abiodun Oniru by the City of David Church, I just turn to the left to T. F. Kuboye Road and hit the popular Market road to link the-Eti Osa-Lekki-Epe Expressway. I’ll just make my U-Turn at the newly constructed Round about pronto am right inside Lekki Phase 1[/b]. No toll payment… so what is the fuss all about?


When do we move forward if we stifle development project with protests? Last year we all requested for alternative routes which they have provided, so what else? If you don’t want to pay just branch out at the ‘Four Point Junction” Guys, we may as well just bid farewell to other investors bring their money to invest in infrastructure. I blame the Lagos State government too, they need to explain this thing clearly to people so that those who have their own personal agenda dont come out and misinform the public as we are witnessing now. I learnt Bode George is the man to lead the protest march being planned for Sunday 18, December. What nonsense!

Check out this : Fast Facts about China Roads…
• China’s expressway network of 65,000 kilometers (40,389 miles) is the second largest in the world, next only to the U.S.
• By 2020 the government plans to reach three million kilometers (1.86 million miles) of expressways and highways, up from two million kilometers (1.24 million miles) in 2008.
• China houses more toll roads than any other country, with Chinese toll roads representing more than 70% of the world’s total toll roads.
• The government finances the majority of the road projects through its own budget and debt, while the private sector plays a limited role.
• The toll road sector was one of the three most profitable businesses in China for 2009, along with real estate and finance.

Read More:  http://www.thomaswhite.com/explore-the-world/bric-spotlight/china-toll-roads-expressways.aspx

LOL,

That is not an alternative road.

The alternative road is the Shoreline Road lekki which is yet to be constructed.

Those are street roads, that are usually close and opened at certain period for security reasons.

Those shortcuts have been there for long, even before the construction of Shoprite.

You also Forgot that there are 2 other tolls after Lekki-Phase 1.

[quote author=Wily¬Wily link=topic=822385.msg9754607#msg9754607 date=1323771238]Ijaws will defeat Yorubas any day any time.[/quote]LOL,

See internet warriors, when last did you hear about ND militants in Ajagunle or Bakasi-Boys in Alaba. They were chased out!!!

Your Igbo brothers  who proved stubborn were dumped into the Lagoon at Apongbo.

The irony is that you people running your mouths here will start shouting GENOCIDE when crisis start.

Lima1:
House members, i can see we have a great forum here. Like many have said . I was just testing the pulse of the house. That was an xmas gift from me as a first timer. It was just a story and not a reality. I am not married but still a student. Thanks for the contribution. More story to come.

LWKMD

You can now see it is easy to lie on Nairaland.