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JeromeBlack:
Read the OP.. I don't know where you saw Israel v palestine

you think I'm a fool?. You wanted to devote your thread to bashing "Muslims intolerance" to atheists while you ignored atheists inequalities to muslims. How fair is that?. Right there in Nigeria with both Muslims and CHRISTIANS majority, atheism is frown upon needless to say Muslim countries.

And on several occasions I have encountered atheists curse God openly. No one said anything. There are Atheists in Islamic world. How many of them killed?. The only time you hear about persecution of atheists is only coming from bigots who are looking for fame.

Take Canada for example, the country opens her border for asylum seekers especially from Africans. Most of these people always lie about Islam to get approval. I have watched them on YouTube several time where couple who perhaps are not Muslims claimed they escaped from Nigeria because Muslims told them their babies most be married off before @ 1 yr old and that they wanted their children to attend madrasa by force. I was just shaking my head knowing these folks are lying just to obtain asylum.

What they claimed on asylum however are recorded as official labels on Islam. This is what the West knew but they are more enlightened now. They have realized people lie about Islam just to enter Canada. Some of them fake homosexuality and being persecuted by Islam and they "escaped" to Canada. So average Canadians are reading these things and assumed this is what Islam is about. I have never seen any of them claimed persecutions by CHRISTIANITY or other religions. They all lied about Islam. You want to make money in the West, just make up lies about Islam and within a blind you are at the top. That's where usermanee is heading.

JeromeBlack:
Emp.iree, are you learning?

Learning?. That one is not a Muslim. He said jews and CHRISTIANS have realized their reliance on Bible 100% would not get them far. Ofc, what do you expect from those who can not be contented by what God has to offer?.
They will rather be contended with Satan. How do you want Jews and Christians to be satisfied with Bible when they have changed their Book from God's word to their own. People who are not satisfied with God will ever be satisfied?.

Islam does not limit anything that is permissible on worldly matters unless individual choose to limit himself. I will not be corrected by the guy's wrong. He's trying to tell us there are faults or discrimpancies in the Qur'an and he's saying this with confidence. He's convinced there are. This is what happens when you paved way doubt(Q2:2). Therefore, sensible muslims won't take him serious. You on the other hand would believe him because that's what you wanna hear.

JeromeBlack:
You are not making sense.

ofc, bcuz it doesn't suits you

JeromeBlack:
en.

Oga, I am a simple man. I see a fine girl and I toast her. If she agrees, we move on from there. I don't care if she is white black, Muslim, hindu or yellow.

However, I have only had problems dealing with muslim women. I almost got beaten for dating a Muslim woman. I escaped by claiming to be Muslim. Thank Allah that I did not shave that day. .


However, when I go to buy meat with my female cousins who are Christian's, Pakistani Muslim men try to toast them. That is the real hypocrisy.


As for Israel vs Palestine matter, go and ask Donald Trump. I remain neutral on that matter

remain neutral?. Really?. But you just claimed they are not religious and they are atheists as well and you tried to portray all nonmuslims as victims of muslims and Muslims are intolerant. I just gave you example of Judeo/Christian/atheists intolerant terrorists in the middle East but all you could say was you are neutral?.

Well, this is why I rendered your thread baseless at outstat knowing you were gonna be one sided. So your thread is DOA

Saucyxo:
Uncle Empi.ree, I see you eyeing the thread. Abeg biko I was only playing withu.

no worries, lady.

JeromeBlack:
I am an atheist

hypocrite! Why then you worry about Muslim women not marrying outside their faith?.

Listen, I cornered you in my first post because I knew where you were driving at. I was ahead of you. If Jews in Israel are either not practing or are essentially atheists, we can infer that they are Judeo/Christian/atheists intolerant terrorists occupiers of Palestinians and killing them. Therefore atheists are intolerant. We don't need you to tell us what's tolerateted and what is not.

Rashduct4luv:
I don't think they are lies at all. A careful research would prove them to be all true. That he claimed he claimed himself to be a Prophet with revelation is true. And this definitely Kufr. Probably, you need more research on them.

no, I'm not talking about claims of nabuwa he attributed to himself. I know that's true because that's very clear. I'm only responding to his alleged statement that he is greater than the prophet.

Either way, they are silly to believe he was a prophet after Nabi Muhammad (saw).

Rashduct4luv:
Empiree,

Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“If you ask them (about this), they declare: ‘We were only talking idly and joking.’ Say: ‘Was it at Allaah, and His Ayaat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) and His Messenger that you were mocking?’

Make no excuse; you disbelieved after you had believed”

[al-Tawbah 9:65-66]

Moreover you did not say anything about their believe in incarnation, revelation given to Ghulam, Ghulam greater than Muhammad, and many other of their weird creeds. The Scholar's position on them is only but truthful.

You may read more on worldwide rulings by scholars from Saudi, Egypt, UK,.... Africa on them. Allah knows best.

https://exposingasifjamil./fatwas-of-muslim-scholars-and-organizations-regarding-the-qadiani-ahmadiyya-cult/

I don't like to believe these kinds of things. They are usually propaganda due to sectarianism.

Recall we had debates with Ahmadi here and he dispelled some misinformation against Qadiani sect (Ahmadiyyah). I believe that what you said here is similar to allegation against Shia that Shia believe Ali is greater than the prophet. This kinda of things are lies. Just maybe there are some extreme fringes who might wrote nonsense that was not supported by mainstream Ahmadiyyah.

tintingz:
This is not the premise the OP presented.

Whatever it is, Deal With It

JeromeBlack:
Thanks for your contribution. It was out of point as you did not even touch on Islam. That is you did not address Islamic treatment of atheism.

Thanks for your out of point comment.

Deal With It

JeromeBlack:
I really want to ask the muslims here why there issue of atheism in islam is so controversial and deadly. If you compare this to the other major Abrahamic faiths, islam is the strictest religion when it comes to atheism and apostasy.

Israel is so secular. There are many non believing and non-practising Jews in Isreal and America. In fact, studies show that about 41 percent of Israeli people are actually openly secular.

Now you can understand why they are forbidden to occupy Ard Al-Muqaddasa. The first condition ordained by God for Jews/Israelites to be entitled to the Holy Land is they MUST have faith in God. Which means there is no room for atheism or disbelieve in God especially on the Holy Land. Ard Al-Muqaddasa belong to theists.


Here, we found condemnation of atheism in John 3:18


“There is no judgment against anyone who believes in him. But anyone who does not believe in him has already been judged for not believing in God’s one and only Son.



Psalm 14:1

The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, they do abominable deeds, there is none who does good

amdman:
Volvo XC90 T6

please remind me of your payment plan again?. Thanks

najib632:
I swear by Allah you're a high grade Jaheel, anyone who takes you seriously is wasting his precious time, you that doesn't even understand simple arabic dares to challenge the Qur'an? What do you even know about biology? Your hypocrisy and ignorance is so disgusting.

he is no longer a muslim. There are evidences against him from his recent posts, You should see his post as non muslim from now on.


Just converse with him like average non-muslims. Thats all.

Sir, take your post and dump in the garbage bin. Islam is not and not like christianity you tried to equate it with. Sects or groups you mentioned believed ALL OBLIGATORY PRACTICES THE SAME WAY. So, take your silly ideology and dump them in shithole. You are not muslim

Ultramane:
Several types of Muslims practicing several types of Islam - salafism, sunnism, shiism, Quranism, Ahmadiya etc. Under each type of Islam, there are further divisions and subdivisions. Even under the same subdivisions, Muslims do not agree on basics and tenets.



And why should that be? Personalized Islam is subjective with conclusions often suffering from bias. Thus, the need for a formal Islam retained at least through the scripture. Unfortunately, the scriptures have their own drawback, but that's a different subject.




Even the Qur'an has been cherry picked and sifted through. Either by re-interpretation bias or flat out ignoring certain ideas within it.

For instance, Qur'an demand husband to hit persistently misbehaving wives. Millions of Muslims will discourage hitting even persistently misbehaving wives, they'd recommend alternative approach for husbands. This is flat out sifting and cherry picking verses.

Another example, the Qur'an speaks of certain ayat abrogating others(2:106, 16:101). On direct look, this would imply some later verses of the Qur'an abrogate earlier ones. This is consensus of earlier scholars.

But come 21st century, & you find Muslims reinterpreting this as referring to abrogation of Biblical verses by Qur'an, despite the fact that Qur'an instruct Jews & Christians to abide by the Bible.

Other Muslims say this verse rather mean that previous signs or miracles revealed by Allah are abrogated or replaced by later ones, since "ayat" also mean signs/miracles. Which is not true, since Muhammad was not sent with any special 'sign' to replace previous signs.

With the Qur'an please realize;
There is no 100% guarantee that what we have today is what Muhammad left.

There is no complete copy of the earliest manuscripts from the 7th century. The supposed earliest copies lack diacritical marks, so that one word could have numerous meanings. Thus, when a few centuries after Muhammad Muslims started adding diacritic, it is not too far-fetched to claim these Muslims were basically connecting dots.



As before, why is that? Shouldn't a religion meant for all places and times have a uniform understanding? Personal Islam works in the home and in secular countries. But outside the home, in Muslim countries that chose to govern by Islam, personal Islam goes out the window.

If you live in Saudi A/Iran/Pakistan, you have to deal with anything they pass as Islamic law, whether you believe it is part of Islam or not. They don't care about personal Islam, they care about formal Islam - the Qur'an understood via tafsir, hadith and fiqh.

sagenaija:
Hello!
Is that Empi.ree?
I thought you are smarter than this.

I read the screenshot. It gave the synonyms of "deity" as - god, goddess, divine being, celestial being, supreme being, divinity, immortal, etc.

What has small letter or capital letter have to do with 'polytheism' in this definition? So, GOOGLE is now confused. And that is because you're not getting what you want.

You guys can deny even your prophet and Koran just to win an argument. So, denying Google now is no surprise.

If "ila" means false gods why doesn't your shahada read: "There is no 'false gods' but God. ... ..."? Why does it say: "There is no God but Allah ... ..."?

You will only entangle yourself more in a web the way you're going. All because you don't want to accept a simple and clear matter.

Catastrophe

The the reason CHRISTIANs can't differentiate God from Jesus. Bye

....

aadoiza:
Tree again? Oga o.

there are sick ppl in the world. They need to be in psych ward not on the streets.

Funny this one married second wife (tree) in Mexico

sagenaija:
You like screenshot so here's one for you.
Do you think this will make you revise your explanation?

And your point is?. Can you read your own screenshot carefully?. It writes 'god' or 'god' in small letter g which indicates polytheism. Polytheism is false worship, false gods. By extension, christianity is polytheism. Good tried to excuse christianity from polytheism by the same definition of deities. Google doesn't differentiate "deities" or "god" when it defined it. Why then it called christianity monotheism. It means they are set of confused nincompoops.

"ila" means deities = false gods. So by worshipping Jesus or calling him call, you are worshipping false god but this doesn't mean Jesus is false bcus nowhere Jesus gave you permission to worship him.

aadoiza:
There's a reason I call them mindless conformists. It's simple, their brains have been formatted with oyinbo poo , so they can't think for themselves. Annoyingly enough, they are the ones cavorting on the forum and self-styling themselves as "logical men", as though they knew what "logical" means.
I only laugh away at their uninformed, ass-licking comments these days.
Trust me on this: if we live long enough oyinbo will normalise bestiality and possibly (stronger than probably) paedophilia and these same mindless conformists, who think they know those acts are wrong now, would be the ones propagating them. They only suck up to oyinbo, nothing else.

Bestiality is already in place. As you rightly said, it is only matter of time before they start making noise about their rights like 'gayright', which started gradually and it is now normal. I have already seen oyinbo man married tree. Another guy married a dog. They will soon get the nerve to trouble us to accept them like homosick

Of course they wouldn't, but would rather curse Muhammad for their generational problems It is a case of classic predictive programming.

Jeromeblack said I'm ignorant of "sex education". Here we go. But if it is female muslims you hear them throw tantrums all over the web about vvf, child abuse etc

aadoiza:
Emp.iree, this is another sex education product

Read this comment

Sark.inYarki:
So what ? if you don't know 17 is the best time for females of the Human species to birth their young ..In the wild no Human female will make it Beyond 15 without having kids

Lisa.Anne:
As long as burna is not complaining its no one's business.
FTC

Would they have said this if she was female muslim?. Nope

ihollarmide:
I find it very amusing as well. It's not like I am a Kufar. The girl in particular doesn't care about these Ahmadiyyah beliefs stuff but it's her father anyway. She can't disobey her parents. She told me that her Father will get her married to an Ahmadi Muslim guy and there is nothing she will do it as she doesn't want to disobey her parents. I can only pray for her and her family. The Father is a high ranking Ahmadi Muslim. May Allah guide us Muslims. Islam now has many divisions. I thought the most important thing should be the Monotheistic Creed, belief in Rasul(SAW), Solat, Ramadan and Hajj. May Allah guide us all.

that's it. I know the girls would not care. The people dividing this religion are scholars of Islam. See the seed they planned in this lady and see the seed they planned in our brothers here too.

When you started learning fard of Islam you were taught you most believe in

Shahadahtain

Iqama salat

Zakat

Ramadan

Hajj

If anyone disbelieves in these is out of Islam. There are more like rejecting Ayah of Qur'an.. Rejection is different from misinterpretion. Their misinterpretation then becomes aqeeda later. Like some muslim reject the return of Isa (as) due to their misinterpretation or wrong methodology of the Ayah. But they did not reject the Ayah. This is called misguidance not kufr.


For instance if this lady defile her father and marry you, slowly you teach her correct meaning of the Ayah "khatam nabiy" means prophet muhammad is the deal of the prophets. She will accept it instead of calling her kafir. Their leaders are answerable to Allaah because we have evidences that prophet muhammad was the last Prophet.

This man called Mirza Gulam Ahmad was one of the 30 Dajjal prophesied.

The guy said I'm ignorant of "sex education". Here we go. But if it is female muslims you hear them throw tantrums all over the web about vvf, child abuse etc

aadoiza:
Emp.iree, this is another sex education product

Read this comment

Sark.inYarki:
So what ? if you don't know 17 is the best time for females of the Human species to birth their young ..In the wild no Human female will make it Beyond 15 without having kids

Lisa.Anne:
As long as burna is not complaining its no one's business.
FTC

Would they have said this if she was female muslim?. Nope

sagenaija:
Who or what is a "DEITY"?

anything you worship or call god other than Allah the Almighty, The Only Creator.

Like for instance if you call him being like Jesus God or Angela, jinn etc these become deities but doesn't mean what you worship are themselves wrong but you are wrong because you took them for worship without authority.

ihollarmide:
You are right and they are probably misguided from the misinterpretation of that Ayah. I have been hearing of that Ahmadiyyah term since I was small but never really met one till I met a lady recently. She is a very good Muslim, dresses according to the tenets of Islam and has even memorized the whole Qur'an. I wanted marriage with her till she told me her father won't allow us to be together because I am not an Ahmadi Muslim. This was what set me on the path to really know the difference because I didn't see any between us. What worries me is my disqualification because I am a normal Muslim and not an Ahmadi Muslim

that's the problem Muslims face now. To tell you that you can't marry your fellow muslim bcuz of ideological differences is very shameful thing. If Islam tells us we can marry people of the Book why do we forbid for ourselves marriage btw Muslim groups. Same with Salafis. I have heard some brothers said they can't give their daughter in marriage to Muslim whose trouser is below the ankle. They can't give their daughter or marry Daughter of alhubidia. What's all these nonesense. It is a shame. I don't think Ahmadiyyah considered nonahmadiyya kufar. That's new to me I have to find out.i already had debates with them here few times but they never said non Ahmadiyyah are kufar

AlBaqir:
Emp.iree , So "Abu Twins" naa ni "Rashduct4luv"
He reminds me of that boko haram jabata footsoldier with so many fake or cloned accounts. Wahabi and deceit.

I don't think so. Not I can't be sure anyways. I paused my reply when I noticed you away quoted hadith I wanted to quote.

Tawasul by virtue or through nabi muhammad (saw) is valid. They can take it or leave it. There is Sharia and there is haqiqa. They don't believe the later.

JeromeBlack:
Empiree, that labour mp that you think is on your side has killed his career. He has been sanctioned by his own party for his foolishness.

You always look for cretins to side you.

everyone faces challenges in career they chose

ihollarmide:
My bad. I actually spoke to one. He told me that they believe Ghulam Ahmad is a Prophet Reformer after Muhammad(SAW) and that is where the whole rift comes in. May Allah guide us all.

this is what I meant by they INTERPRETED "khatam nabiy". I don't agree with them one bit but I'm not in position to make kufr declaration of them. There have been some scholars in the past who declared them kufar like Maulana Fazlur Rahman Ansari (ra).

They need to quit this belief. It is nonesense and goes against common sense that son of Punjabi woman was last Prophet. It would have been okay if they said he was reformer of his time. That would be debatable but not prophethood.

That's why there is this strange belief with them when it comes to Jesus. For instance, if a Sunni and Ahmadi debate Christians about Jesus from birth to his disappearance, everything aligns until the point of crucifixion of Jesus.

I am telling you what happened between me and Ahmadi on YouTube some 12yrs ago. We were both debating this CHRISTIAN guy everyday and I didn't know he's Ahmadiyyah until he said when they put Jesus on the cross and after that he escaped to India. But in Sunni we simply don't have this information. Then we left CHRISTIAN guy and faced ourselves. I asked him questions. That's when he realized I was not Ahmadiyyah.

After I did some research i realized that average Pakistani and India subcontinent and some Caribbean have this doggy belief whether they are Muslims or not. I had a friend from Trinidad who told me that we Muslims don't know whereabout of Jesus after his mother took him away. He said he was in Kashmir and that's where he grew older untill one hundred and something years old. I said don't tell CHRISTIANs this . He laughed. He said ofcourse they don't wanna hear it. They used to get angry when he brought it up. When I asked him where he got this story from?. He said from muslims. He doesn't know differences amongst muslims. I realized he was amongst Ahmadiyyah people. He himself is neither Muslim nor CHRISTIAN. He's mix of Islam, CHRISTIANITY and Hinduism but spend more time with muslims and spend time alone with Bible.


Orisirisi


So in my opinion, they are not kufar but misguided. They may be punished for this but they still hold on to fard of Islam from 6 articles of Faith to obligatory practices. These qualifed them to be muslims. There are many more scholars who declined to call them kufar like Sheikh Hamza Yusuf and so on. Misguided is more appropriate way to address them rather than kufar bcuz, amongst them are those who know not but do follow follow. I prayed behind them decades ago and will pray behind them again if they still meet conditions. When I prayed behind them decades ago there was no difference to the way other muslims pray. There was there nothing questionable in their practices in the masjid at that time. Everything was normal.

sagenaija:
Another education for you Empiree:
On the name 'Allah', see this:
Koran 52:43 ABDULLAH YUSUF ALI

(52:43) Or have they a god other than Allah? Exalted is Allah far above the things they associate with Him!

Did you see the word "god" in that verse also? So, sticking only to the Koran, do you see that the Koran has the word "Allah" as the personal name for the god of Islam? And there is the Arabic word for "god"?

"ila" in arabic means "god" in small letter 'g' to indicate false god. This mean deities. If visit other translations like Sahih International you will see it uses "deities" for ila. So Allah stands out from 'ila'

Alhajiemeritus:
Knowledge is transient, I came across a literature that stated it wasn't Abubakr.
That many scholars agreed on something, does not mean the thing is right...
I'll do more research on this subject and I'll revert.

I understand muslims have always believed it was Abu Bakr who was with him. Even if he was not that's not really problem since Qur'an doesn't mention his name. So it is subjective.


What I have problem with is for saying the entire Ayah was not about Nabi Muhammad (saw) and his companion. He said the story of the cave had to do with "believers" in pre-Islam who sought refuge in the cave(not sura kahf).

That Catholic has this event written in their literature. I listened to him twice to be sure I understand what he's saying. Let me know if I misunderstood him?.

Still on "Gay Lesson"


https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2216255355096605&id=490858150969676&fs=0&focus_composer=0

JeromeBlack:
Receive sense bro.

I know i have frustrated you enough Goan rest. Kpele

JeromeBlack:
She of consent in USA is 16 to 18

Receive sense

why did you guys start talking about "age of consent" only AFTER i brought it up?. What y'all been talking about was anything below 18 is underage. Besides i even refuted that bcuz most of them are not married. Thats the point i kept getting out to you but you diverted all the time. See the screenshots below, i wish i can post the video for you but i deliberate dont want, if you could listen what this judge is saying some sense into these kids, you won't be here speaking so passionately about sex education which pretty much doesnt work in my opinion. Judge doesn't even speak about sex education bcuz she knows it is bullsh!t

Judge is screaming in this video like "y'all just babies having babies". See, these two young guys in the shot below just cant get enough of the young girl (baby mama). Listen, the least system does for them now is counselling.

JeromeBlack:
Oga, did you graduate from university?

No, I dropped out nonesense

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