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Janosky:
1 Corinthians 15:45 NLT Jesus Christ is a spirit.
You are seeing demons not Jesus Christ.

Demons are spirit, so if people are seeing demons that are spirits why can't they see Jesus who is also a spirit?

Didn't the disciples see Jesus after resurrection or Jesus started to be spirit immediately after ascension?

The revelation of chapters 1 to 3 & Hebrews 1:1-2, is are enough for the guidance and corrections of Jehovah's servants.

You don't know more than Jesus who says "...and I will love him and will clearly show myself to him.”

So if Rev 1to 3 & Heb 1:1-2 are enough you're not the one who will say it but Jesus Himself and the last time I checked Jesus says it loud and clear

Janosky:
Oga,Go & rest jare.

Is it your rest?

Did Paul see Jesus Christ face to face?

The question should be, did Jesus reveal Himself to Paul?

Jesus Christ led Paul to Ananias & in turn met the apostles to learn "the teaching of the apostles."

How did Paul know that it was Jesus who lead him to Ananias if Jesus didn't reveal Himself to him?

You can see how deluded you are now.

Oga, stop deceiving yourself.

I won't stop deceiving myself until you proof where Jesus revealed Himself to any JWs according to John 14:21

Janosky:
[i] "Every statement of Jesus is true"
Yes.

Thank God you didn't deny this.

If Jesus Christ revealed himself to your Trinitarian mentors and to you , how come you all continue to Worship 3 Spirits?

3 Spirits or you're just being deluded?

At least you didn't deny that Jesus didn't reveal Himself to people

Oga, Revelation 3:12 & John 4:23-24, how many Spirits did Jesus Christ teach you he Worship?

How many spirit did your own god of men tell you to worship?

MaxInDHouse:
Ṣebí he sees his Jesus literally let him eat the flesh and drink the blood literally nah!

This is how low you people can be.

Every statement of Jesus is true.

Jesus has REVEALED HIMSELF TO PEOPLE FROM AGES you can't deny that.

Aemmyjah:
Maxindhouse
Pls com and rescue this boy

The same person I've put in ghost mode

Aemmyjah:
You understand what Jesus meant but your foolishness is too deep

Even your own translation does, I know you lack simple comprehension.

Same Jesus said his disciples should eat his flesh and drink his blood to gain ever lasting Life

But the disciples didn't eat it when Jesus body was brought down from the cross.

But Jesus has been clearly shown Himself to people throughout the ages.

Same Jesus said those that exercise faith in him will never die

But He clarify the reason why He said they will never die.

Jesus said "...and will clearly show Myself to him" and he did many people can testify to this except JWs

Fools did not have a molecule of wisdom to comprehend anything

At least I'm not your NWT translation that put it this way "...and will clearly show Myself to him"

I know you feel pains because despite the lies of JWs being the only people obeying and love Jesus Christ, that verse has never been experienced by them.

Rest Oga Ade...

Aemmyjah:
Again
Is it everyone who became Jesus disciples that saw him?

Ask Jesus who made that statement.

Simple English is too hard for you to comprehend?
Kpele

Says the deluded one who doesn't know what simple English means "...will clearly show myself to him.”

MaxInDHouse:
He will never agree that the word REVEAL does not necessarily mean seeing something vividly

Very funny, is that not the reason why your translation which is the most easy to read in the whole world put it in plain English?

Hear it again.

"Whoever has my commandments and observes them is the one who loves me. In turn, whoever loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and will clearly show myself to him.” John 14:21

Either Jesus is lying or NWT isn't accurate

so no amount of explanation can help him since he feels Jesus to make himself visible to him there's no need waisting my precious time with him, let him go and make use of his Jesus!

A very plain English doesn't need explanation.

Ask your last born to read that part for you and tell you what it means. Then you'll see you don't need any explanation.

You only need explanation when dubious interpretation is needed.

Besides, Jesus has revealed Himself to many from ages till today, so if there's any explanation changing the meaning of that verse is a fraudulent one.

Aemmyjah:
What about those that became Christian after Jesus ascension?
Did they see Jesus?
Did you see Jesus
De play

Jesus very own statement is "Whoever has my commandments and observes them is the one who loves me. In turn, whoever loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and will clearly show myself to him.” John 14:21

I'm not the one who made that statement Jesus did.

I'm not the one who translated that verse to simple English (as JWs always claim) Watchtower did.

Put on your thinking cap

MaxInDHouse:
He feels like seeing something right in front of him before believing (trusting) what he read in the Bible

No I don't!

Jesus Himself made that statement and Jesus has proven it many times.

is that not what the Israelites asked Aaron to do for them? Exodus 32:1

Nobody asked Jesus before He made that statement and Jesus has been proven that statement to be true throughout the history.

It's left for you to ask yourself why Jesus hasn't CLEARLY SHOWN HIMSELF to you has He promised everyone WHO OBEYED AND LOVE HIM.

So instead of worship in spirit and truth {John 4:24} he feel Jesus must appear to him in person then instruct him not just agreeing to do what others are doing conscientiously after studying Jesus' words!

Your assumptions not mine of what I experienced and what is in line with the scripture.

I didn't feel, I'm not like JWs who live base on assumption. I only believe and love Jesus and He REVEALED Himself to me.

Which confirms that what Jesus says in John 14:21 is true.

Just ask yourself why Jesus hasn't CLEARLY SHOWN HIMSELF to you as He promised since you claim to obey and love Him.

Aemmyjah:
Guidance can come in various forms/means
Could be direct
Could be indirect

So funny of you.

Jesus was talking about "CLEARLY show Himself" but you're talking about guidance.

Whether it's direct or indirect. Which one did your Watchtower experience?

Stop behaving like someone that does not want to use his thinking cap

If I'm not using my thinking cap, I won't be able to see where your translation boldly stated "CLEARLY SHOW HIMSELF" rather it's obvious that you're the one who doesn't make use of that cap.

Aemmyjah:
Talk about yourself and Papa
Have either or you seen Jesus?

What is this one saying here?

Jesus that no man can see again
His mission on Earth has been completed and he's guiding his congregation, uniting his followers, gathering the little flock (His bride or New Jerusalem) as they prepare the foundations of the new world

So how do you know Jesus is the one guiding you when you can't see or hear from Him?

Jesus says in John 14:21 "Whoever has my commandments and observes them is the one who loves me. In turn, whoever loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and will clearly show myself to him.” - NWT

Are you saying Jesus is lying here?

You can't even speak for yourself
Mention one person that has seen Jesus

Have you fulfilled the above verse?

realmindz:
Any reason why you are looking forward to the economy to collapse?

This is the major problem of you guys.

Is he looking forward or just stating the obvious fact?

We have many adages in Africa that talk about how future can be view from today.

You people will see your leader making economic policies blunder but you'll just be expecting good result.

Irrespective of who you wanted to become president, why don't you wish your country success?

If at this age you still carry this mentality of "WISHING YOUR COUNTRY SUCCESS" obvious you're not in tune with reality.

Wishes can't change Naira from ₦870/$1 to ₦1/$1 good economic policies will do.

Wishes can't bring fuel price down to ₦180 good economic policies will do.

Wishes can't bring down inflation but good policies will do.

But when you have leaders who care not about development of the Nation but care only about their careers and pockets the economic is left for their defenders on WISHES.

There may be political enemies, arguments and all in America. But once an election is over, all Americans irrespective of who they voted for always want the country to progress. Even trump supporters have never wished that US fails under Biden. Why is our case different in Nigeria

Nobody wishes Nigeria failed and if wishes actually work, at least people who are wishing Nigeria to progress are many too, so the country should progress but what do we experience? Just the opposite.

But if people criticized unrealistic policies the same you "good wishers" will call them enemies of progress or Nation.

You'll see Gov throwing wrong policy you people will cheer them to heaven and see those who speak against it as enemies of the Nation.

But the reality on ground is that these so called leaders have nothing to offer but just to satisfy their selfish life style and ambition.

hashtagged:
The Fear of God is one of the things that isn't often talked about in modern day Christianity. Yes indeed God is merciful but we shouldn't forget he is also just.

The Fear of God doesn't necessarily mean to be terrified of him, of course if you are a sinner you have to.
The Fear of God is the deep love and respect we should have for him, he is our maker, he sent his son Jesus ( Our Lord) to die for our sins, he provides for us and his mercies endures forever. We owe it to him as his children.

Let's take a look at those who didn't fear him
1) The devil and his angels
2) Sodom and Gomorrah
3) Adam and Eve

They didn't endure in his presence forever.

But let's look at those who feared him.
1) Jesus
2) Abraham and Isaac
3) Joseph and David

They were blessed and glorified.

God loves us deeply, but if we don't fear him or obey his words we are stepping on his love.

This verse is so deep when it comes to the fear of God.

"Let the one who is doing harm continue to do harm; let the one who is vile continue to be vile; let the one who is righteous continue to live righteously; let the one who is holy continue to be holy.” Rev 22:11

MaxInDHouse:
Ok oo

Na so

MaxInDHouse:
Ṣebí you have had the experience hen go and make use of that nah!

That's why I can boldly confront your lie and stand for the truth just as early Apostles

Throwback:
However, Nigeria is not losing any money to the smugglers as no subsidy has been paid by the government on the fuel.

The same fish brain you people have about basic Economic is the same your leaders have.

How can you say smuggling product isn't losing money by the Government.

So you'll believe because Gov no longer paying subsidy then Gov isn't losing.

Smuggling will surely increase our daily consumption which will directly put more pressure on sourcing for Dollar to get the product into Nigeria since no refinery yet.

According to IPMAN the more Dollar goes up the more we see increase in the fuel price and this will put more pressure on Gov to provide palliative or increase salary.

MaxInDHouse:
No wahala if Jesus has physically appeared to you go and continue doing what he told you!

Like I always say you don't need to tell me.

I quoted Bible not a man made doctrine.

And the truth is no JWs has ever experienced that from CT Russell down

MaxInDHouse:
What Jesus meant here is not PHYSICAL but grasping his presence and activities.
For instance when Jesus said:

"And look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things" Matthew 28:20b

Allow Bible to speak for itself Oga Ade

Even after quoting your very own translation

Here it is again "Whoever has my commandments and observes them is the one who loves me. In turn, whoever loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and will clearly show myself to him.” John 14:21 NWT

It's not that we will see him physically working with us

You don't pay attention whenever you read scripture but only focus on what watchtowers infused in your brain.

Jesus didn't say "US" in that passage but INDIVIDUAL.

Also, you can deny it or give it any meaning you want but it's written in a plain English.

but we can perceive his presence when everything he said about his activities is happening in our midst just as he said then we are sure that it's not by our wisdom that we are doing God's will but someone is with us! Matthew 18:20

That passage isn't about His Presence but PHYSICAL MANIFESTATION.

Your translation but it this way "...and will clearly show myself to him.” John 14:21 NWT

You're not wiser than Jesus if Jesus wants to talk about His Presence he'd have use that word instead of deceiving us with SHOW.

Do you know how to ascertain it when Jesus has revealed himself to someone?

I don't need to ascertain because Jesus didn't say people will ascertain it but the "INDIVIDUAL WILL"

Anybody can say "YES" to your question but we need to know how verify!

Jesus knows another can say yes to it and Jesus didn't ask anyone to verify that but that's not the point the point is, has Jesus revealed/shown Himself to you since you claimed you obey and love Him?

9jatriot:
Every single thing you have listed here is what successive government have been doing or at least tried to do, Only a lunatic or someone who takes advise from a mad person that will keep doing the same thing and still be surprise if the results are different.

It's a lie, point out any government that did the same with evidences.

Your lamba king is a master at double speak so that you cannot hold him to a promise.

That's your cup of tea.

But the truth is he pointed it out and not just I'll remove subsidy blabla like your drug lord just did .

Someone that said clearly that subsidy will go immediately during election just because it was the right thing to say is now trying to play on the intelligence of his not so sensible followers by claiming that he would have massage their body so that the effects will not be felt.

All the statements attribute to him were before election so if you don't understand him when he said IMMEDIATELY then it's your problem.

Besides, subsidy removal is in phases so a good leader can block the loop holes of subsidy fraud within weeks in office which is still IMMEDIATELY.

So just accept that your drug lord didn't know anything before he pronounced subsidy gone.

Subsidy removal is a bitter pill serious people have now realized that it has to go but the question has always been, who has the courage to remove it.

The same serious people who fought against it in 2012 dragging the whole nation back 11years.

Another idiot point is to think others don't have the courage.

The reason why someone like GEJ relaxed in subsidy removal is because he knows he can still play around with it since there's enough money for the nation to spend. Buhari on the other hand has to get deep into loan to do the same. So enough serious government that has to continue with subsidy must find a way of getting alternative like heavily cutting down the cost of running the Gov and how to raise the IGR. So your drug lord has no such capability.

More like, who will bell the cat, Tinubu has shown such uncommon courage that other government will wish they have

But other Gov successfully removed subsidy on Kerosine, Diesel, Gas.

So why do you think they don't have the courage to remove petrol? Just come with another lie.

including your lamba king, even though none of them will wish to be the one to remove it

Olodo...

9jatriot:
Another cowardly way of solving problems. Trying same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

It is either you are courageous enough to remove it or you simply just keep increasing the price without taking the bull by the horns.

Anyway, no one who saw how he governed Anambra should be surprised though, it is how they repacked the man to look like a saint that I am still trying to understand.

You people are not too brighten but always rush to look like you do.

Firstly, if you listen to Obi most interview about subsidy you'll see how he analysis it without much effect on the poor masses.

Secondly, many of you don't know that the real fraud on subsidy is on the claim of our daily consumption which was claimed to be around 68million Liters per day.

Thirdly, Obi puts forward a sound data where he said how can Pakistan with more population than Nigeria being consuming less fuel than Nigeria? Data shows that Pakistan is consuming around 30-35million Liters per day.

So you see that if the fraud around subsidy can be eliminated, people will know that subsidy isn't that much a burden on the government.

Fourthly, Obi talks about fighting this fraud in subsidy payment, then goes ahead to emphasize on how to empower local refineries and establishment of modular refineries which if they are in place, quantity of fuel imported will be reduced.

Lastly, so what a serious leader should have done before removing subsidy finally is to ensure getting actual data on daily consumption, take a strict measure to ensure smuggling of fuel through boarders are curtain, look into how local refineries can kick start then modular refineries.

So instead of putting the burden on poor masses to endure and sacrifice, the government should have done the same (since the government has been doing so before) by sacrificing few months of fuel subsidy payment why addressing aforementioned points.

But I guess you people can't reason like your leader.

MaxInDHouse:
Do you know the sign that Jesus has revealed himself to anyone?

Jesus didn't talk about sign...

I guess you have another meaning/your own interpretation for the word REVEAL

This is Jesus OWN statement maybe Jesus lied according to JWs.

And this is how your own translation put it "Whoever has my commandments and observes them is the one who loves me. In turn, whoever loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and will clearly show myself to him.” John 14:21 NWT

MaxInDHouse:
"Those who ACCEPT my commandments and OBEY them are the ones who love me. And because they love me, my Father will love them. And I will love them and REVEAL myself to each of them.” John 14:21

From the above quote is it those that doesn't believe in Jesus that he revealed himself to or those that have accepted his commandments?

Smile.... using question to answer question has started.

Since you obey and love Jesus Christ, has Jesus revealed Himself to you

The question is directed to you not those who doesn't believe in Jesus Christ.

Paul accepted God's commandments from his viewpoint he was acting on what the law says:

"If any uncircumcised male will not circumcise the flesh of his foreskin, that person must be cut off from his people. He has broken my covenant" Genesis 17:14

The disciples of Christ were accommodating and eating with UNCIRCUMCISED gentiles this is totally unacceptable according to God's law that's why Jesus Christ himself have to appear to Paul so that the man could understand that the New Covenant has come and it has nothing to do with circumcision of the skin.

But you people are claiming Jesus use to appear to unbelievers who aren't even ready to accept his teachings that's what we are talking right now.

Are you Jesus?

God revealed Himself from beginning to whoever.

Jesus revealed Himself to Paul when Paul hasn't accepted Him yet.

But the verse I quoted earlier is directed to people like you who claimed you love and obey Jesus Christ.

Please don't change the subject because that's your usual attitude, let us focus on the topic of discussion and with the quoted scripture tell me what Jesus is doing with an unbeliever!

You didn't address the OP in the first place but just made a statement out of the OP POV.

The title of the thread is "Your FIRST encounter with Jesus?" which I take to be that the OP is addressing believers and not unbelievers.

Besides, Jesus can reveal Himself to whomsoever He wants you can't decide that for Him.

MaxInDHouse:
If Jesus will appear to everyone in person then what is the need for his disciples to preach? Matthew 28:18-20; Act 1:8

Anyway, you don't understand scripture if not you won't have asked this question.

Jesus actually says "Those who accept my commandments and obey them are the ones who love me. And because they love me, my Father will love them. And I will love them and reveal myself to each of them.” John 14:21

You claimed you obey and love Christ but has Jesus revealed Himself to you?

MaxInDHouse:
Very logical illustration that you can't refute!

Something that's very illogical

Without excommunication of wrongdoers

No biblical verse for this.

what Isaiah 2:2-4 says can't be fulfilled just as without boiling water you can't make Ẹ̀bà

The early Churches has fulfilled Isa 2 or you'll argue that they didn't fulfill it because there was never excommunication?

but instead of arguing fruitlessly why not present a single group that's fulfilling what Isaiah said apart from Jehovah's Witnesses who are excommunicating wrongdoers?

It's not today I've been telling you that you'll look for GROUP tire in the Bible.

Even GROUP was never appeared in Isa 2:2-4

MaxInDHouse:
[s]Someone said without boiling the water you can't make Ẹ̀bà you say he is wrong but the one and only ẹ̀bá was prepared through boiled water there's no need for further argument nah all you should do is present any ẹ̀bà that was prepared with cold water.[/s]

Simple as ABC!

Irrelevant story!

MaxInDHouse:
The bone of contention is about religion and i told the OP that there is true and false religion so if God's word mentioned what is expected of the one and only true religion and you can see it written in your own copy of the Bible it's left to you because Jesus said by the FRUITS of each religion you will know where they belong {Matthew 7:16-18} so if Jehovah's Witnesses are fulfilling what is written in the Bible book of Isaiah 2:2-4 but you want to argue about their mode of operations then i don't get your point o!

Out of context

Without excommunication does that mean Isa 2:2-4 won't be fulfilled?

That's the point!

MaxInDHouse:
Oya present any other group apart from Jehovah's Witnesses that has fulfilled it nah!

Was that the point?

lawani:
You are a cult if you kill ex members or threaten them with hell fire.

Killing is condemned in all ramifications but who is threatening people with Hell Fire?

That is my point but if you have no problem with unbelievers and you don't kill or threaten people with hell fire for unbelief then you are a normal civil organisation

But nobody threatening you with Hell Fire.

MaxInDHouse:
WRONG by your own opinion but that's what has helped us to fulfil what God promised in the Bible book of Isaiah 2:2-4

So without excommunication Isa 2:2-4 won't be fulfilled

MaxInDHouse:
It's OK hold on to the form of punishment your church agreed upon in case of wrongdoers

You don't need to tell me Oga Ade

we will DISFELLOWSHIP (EXCOMMUNICATE) that's our own interpretation of what Paul and John penned down!

@underlined is the key.

That's why I'm telling you is a wrong interpretation but only if you can remove that lens of man made doctrines then you'll be able to detect it.

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ if Its my New World Translation i will quote the same verse a hundred times if asked to do so for emphasis sake but i can understand you as usual!

That's your cup of tea and you couldn't do the same but asking me to do that for you.

You should have quoted it hundred time to show where excommunication or DISFELLOWSHIP appears to proof your point.

But as it stands, I've quoted those verses you cited without you telling me to do.