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cornelboy:
Of course how can I compare my word to God's word.

That's what you've been doing.

God's word is powerful and all that

"AND ALL THAT" list them...
If you're honest.

but God's word in that verse is not a person or Jesus for that matter.

But a person is someone who is "ALIVE AND CAN DISCERN THOUGHTS", isn't it?

cornelboy:
Have I ever quoted NWT here before?

But you're a JWs.

You still went ahead to say "I was just wondering why you quickly abandoned NWT for another version..."

Yes! because you're a JWs and I know JWs position about Scripture.

Or do you agree that there is another version more accurate than NWT?

You're not very honest and I will stop responding to you.

Mr Honesty, you're the one who have accused me falsely here which I demanded for evidence yet you haven't provided any.

Lastly, if you don't subscribe to ONLY NWT then why do you argue that Jesus is Michael when version like KJV and NLV which you claimed you read from said Jesus is God in John 1:1?

You can boldly admit that you now see that Jesus was a spirit being just like every creatures in heaven. Don't say it shyly.

When you haven't provided any scripture to back it up.

Nadingo:
One thing I don't understand is how the outcome of this US court judgment will affect that of the PEPT in Nigeria. Remember, all parties before the PEPT have submitted their final written addresses. Or will further evidence be admitted after all parties have closed their arguments? 😁

So you don't know the case will be drag to supreme court

The problem with some of you people is that you don't follow case to the core.

This same question was raised by CSU and Atiku's lawyers said they need it for SUPREME COURT.

cornelboy:
Have you ever seen me quote the NWT?

Are you not a JWs ?

I have mostly used NLV or KJV.

So why do you argue that Jesus is Angel Michael when both KJV and NLV say in John 1:1 that Jesus the Word is GOD?

Now you are hiding under the NWT for protection

No! I didn't

because using NEUTRAL GENDER for living things isn't new to Bible students. I was just wondering why you quickly abandoned NWT for another version when you believe NWT is the most accurate

Your cheap blackmail has no effect. Besides the NWT didn't use any pronouns. If they did, it'd be "it" that they will use.

Sure but a reasonable person knows only A LIVING BEING is "ALIVE & can DISCERN THOUGHTS" as NWT put it. So it's not a matter of any pronounce was used or not.

cornelboy:
That didn't explain the nature of Jesus.

Who is talking about the nature of Jesus?

Of course a kindergarten knows that Jesus is living.

What is the nature of God's word?

The Bible says he was in God's form. He had the God nature before he came to earth.

Good, now does anything having God's nature not God?

In fact he's an express image of the Father.

Correct!

So your interpretation that Jesus was a word in God's mouth is so wrong.

Proof me wrong not just by mere words.

It's like saying Jesus was formless. No

What is the nature of God's word?

He was a powerful being. He carried out God's orders.

That's what God's word does!

He created the universe and Angels including Micheal.

Hebrew 4:12 talks about God's word literally not Jesus the son.

And my point is on God's literally word and Heb 4:12 says it's not like ordinary human words

So what is the nature of God's word for the last time?

cornelboy:
God's word is true.

And ALIVE!

cornelboy:
Lol show me where "it" is used for the Father and Jesus.

Search your Scripture.

Besides, where did you see "IT" in NWT I quoted?

Do you now agree with NIV or just the part that suits your lies?

cornelboy:
Jesus has always been a being just like every other creatures in heaven.

What is the Nature of God's word?

cornelboy:
He's so determined to defend the trinity that he would never see that the "word of God" at Hebrew 4:12 wasn't referring to the third person of his three Gods that came together to become one Gods

DEFENDING TRINITY!!!

Have I mentioned that on this thread?

Very pathetic, I've been talking about HOW God and HIS WORD created the universe without given assignment to anyone else outside the Being of God. Of which, none of you has ever proof me wrong.

Hebrews 4:12 NlV
[12]For the word of God is alive and powerful. It is sharper than the sharpest two-edged sword, cutting between soul and spirit, between joint and marrow. It exposes our innermost thoughts and desires.

"It" is used for it not even "he" 🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️

I won't even say much of this but it's evident you lack scriptural understanding because NEUTRAL "IT" was used for God, Jesus and Holy Spirit. So go and sharpen your knowledge more about the scripture.

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I even forgot to add

When it suits you people you claimed NWT is the most accurate translation. I quoted NWT for you but you have to abandoned that and used NIV. It's evident you have agenda

cornelboy:
He called me dumbass recently but I acted as if I didn't see it.
Their insult is nothing

I like the way I'm given JWs restless mind on this thread

I have been asking questions just to show him how dumb his interpretation is.

When you can't answer questions thrown to you.

So who is has dumb interpretation now?

cornelboy:
If we weren't saying the same thing, then how did the word get into Mary's womb and became a body?

First of all agreed you lied against me.

I never said THE WORD BECAME JESUS BODY.

provide where I said this.

Here's your word again "Jesus body started in Mary's womb".
How did that happen? Who put the word there.

Jesus BODY, did you read GOD'S WORD?

so where did I say God's word became Jesus Body?

You don't know what Jesus being referred to the "word" mean.
Even the trinity says "God the son" is the second person of the trinity whereas you explained that Jesus is the literal word from God's mouth. That's confusion.
Even if you believe that Jesus is God's word literally, that proves that Jesus life or existence emanated from God.

Jesus is LIFE ITSELF.

So until you can tell me THE NATURE OF GOD'S WORD then this conversation will have more many to you.

A word can't be greater or the same with the speaker of the word or the source. God is the speaker of the word. God controls the word and say anything he wants to.

because you're still placing God in the range of Human.

What is the NATURE of God's word.

This contradicts your Trinitarian doctrines that says, the three persons Gods are co equal, co powerful etc.

It didn't.

Reason why you haven't attended to my questions.

God's word is God's word. It's not a person nor is it independent from God. God speaks normally for himself. He has his own voice.

What is the nature of God's word?

Jesus was referred to "the word" or "the word of God" because he's been God's spokesman man from ancient times. I won't go deep into that. God gives him messages and his son delivers it to his people.

Yet you're claiming God's Word is God's Word.

So another person can be God's spokesman that's means God is not capable of speaking for Himself

The Word of God created the universe.

You believe Jesus is far more greater than the angels

He is the Creator of Angels including Micheal.

and yet you say he's a human and a word in God's mouth.

It's evident you lack comprehension.
When did I say "HE IS HUMAN"?

Unbelievable! As if God doesn't have his own voice.

So you know this and yet you claimed God is using another person as SPOKESMAN.

So the time Jesus became a "body" and lived on earth, God was dumb throughout those periods right? He couldn't speak.

Though I never claimed JESUS BECAME W BODY and I still don't know where you get that from. So do you people like false accusation?

So if God can speak, why does He need a SPOKESMAN?

Even the angels are powerful spiritual beings with their glories. How much more Jesus that's way more powerful and even have a share in God's glory.

The Word of God is more powerful than any Angels.

He was a just a word without any form, seriously!?

Tell me the Nature of God's word.

Ha ba...for how many times will I ask you this?

cornelboy:
We are saying the same thing.

We're not! Don't let comprehension be your issue.

How did the word get into Mary and become a body if what I said was a lie?

"The WORD didn't BECOME A BODY", this is where you lied. I never said that. Quote where I said such.

You said the "Jesus's body started in Mary's womb" and I said God put it there, what's the difference?

If that's what you said it's not my concern but my concern is YOU PUTTING YOUR OWN WORD in my mouth and claimed I said it.

I didn't say God PUT HIS WORD IN MARY'S WOMB and became BODY.

Okay. Jesus is God's word forever.

Yes!

I won't argue that with you.

because that's the truth from the scripture.

You've shown me that Jesus is currently an human in heaven right now.

I didn't show you.

I need you to clearly explain what form Jesus was before he became human.

He was The Word of God.

And it's so funny how you people will boycott question and later do hide and seek then turn around to ask the same question.

I've asked you before, what is the nature of God's word?

Answer that first.

Before you said Jesus was a literal word of God in God's mouth, now you say he's a person that later used a body.

If you have answered my question before now, you won't be repeating this.

What is the nature of God's word?

Jesus was a "person" or a "literal word residing in God's mouth"?

What is the nature of God's word?

If you answer this then we can continue.

cornelboy:
I wouldn't lie intentionally to anyone.
The screenshot shows where you said Jesus's body started in Mary's womb.

Here is your statement I replied to

"Here are your words:...and God put his word in Mary's womb and became a body."

You lied I made this statement!

Was your statement above and the screenshot you posted the same?

From the screenshot, I even strike out "LIFE and said THE PERSON that makes used of the Body"

Again, where did I say GOD PUT HIS WORD in Mary's womb that became Jesus body?

This is the point I said you lied about me.

You can still proof me wrong where I said the above statement.

What about presently, is he God's word?

Jesus is God's word forever.

cornelboy:
You did said that but not in a single post. I summarised that from two or three of your rebuttal posts. I could point that out to you but I don't have the time.

I never said that, since you can't provide that then agree that you're lying.

You're so wrong by saying Jesus is a human in heaven. Have you read the book of revelation and saw how Jesus is described? We'll discuss that later.

Smile....you don't need to point me to a book just quote the verse so everyone will know your point.

I did say your interpretation of Jesus being the word of God has a lot of implications that contradict the scripture and I'll point out a few to you later. We'll take it step by step.

Point it out first.

So your answer is that Jesus will remain in his present form till he accomplishes his missions in the future then he will go back into being God's words in God's mouth. Is that right?

He is God's Word forever!

cornelboy:
I must tell you, your interpretation has a lot of implications which I feel don't conform with the Bible.

Smile... And you can't point out the implications in my interpretation

Here are your words:
You said Jesus was God's word,

BIBLE SAYS SO NOT ME.

like he was in God's mouth

Within God

and God put his word in Mary's womb and became a body.

I never said this. You can prove me wrong.

So after Jesus finished his ministry on earth, I want to ask you once again, did he return to being God's word in God's mouth?

Jesus is still human in heaven after He finished his mission of becoming human He will hands over everything to the Father "So that God will be ALL IN ALL" 1 Corin 15:28

Only if you understand this.

cornelboy:
No. The Bible never said Jesus was the word in God's mouth.
John the writer of the book of John called Jesus the word for some reasons.

And it's only JWs that knows the reason

God speaks normally and his words or speeches are not Jesus Christ lol.

BUT Jesus is the Word of God.

This is really funny.

Which one?

If the angels and other creatures in heaven are complete beings on their own, how could Jesus just be words that comes from God's mouth?

You haven't answered my question, why?

Do you think GOD'S WORD is like an air particles that collided to produce sound like human?

Do you know the nature of God's word? Heb 4:12 give a glimpse of what God's word is.

Here is how your own translation put it "For the word of God is alive and exerts power+ and is sharper than any two-edged sword+ and pierces even to the dividing of soul* and spirit, and of joints from the marrow, and is able to discern thoughts and intentions of the heart. - NWT

In case you don't get it, here is the summary
The Word of God is:
1. Alive
2. Exerts POWER
3. can discern THOUGHTS and INTENTIONS of the heart.

So can you still compare God's word with that of human?

Jesus was a complete spirit being on his own.

The Word of God is ALIVE, anything ALIVE is a being on its own.

John 17:24
[24]Father, I want these whom you have given me to be with me where I am. Then they can see all the glory you gave me because you loved me even before the world began!

Jesus was a complete being when he experienced the glory and his Father's love way before creation.

Now on @underlined you know that happened BEFORE CREATION yet you claim Jesus was CREATED. Does that sound normal to you?

cornelboy:
Lol.
If Jesus was just the literal word in God's mouth, it's like saying Jesus had no life.

That is you're still limiting God's Word to that human where ordinary air particles collision and make sound.

He was just a word. He wasn't a being. It's so absurd.

Do you know the nature of God's word?

Do you think God is like human being?

The scripture says God's word is the very LIFE. Heb 4:12

Jesus before coming to die for us on earth knew what he was coming to do.

I never said He didn't.

God literally sent him.

because God's promises from Old Testament is that He Himself is coming and God can never lie.

He was a spirit being like every other beings in heaven.

Was God included in your "LIKE EVERY OTHER BEINGS IN HEAVEN"?

I want to check something

He couldn't have been just a word in God's mouth.

because you are God and know the Nature of God's word.

Well that's what the scripture says.

That's so ridiculous.

Not as ridiculous as to think God's Word is not powerful & superior than any created beings both on earth and in heaven.

Not as ridiculous as to think the person you claimed WAS DIRECTLY created By God Himself and God used Him to create ALL OTHER THINGS (including Micheal) still was on the same level with spirit beings in heaven

MaxInDHouse:
but you want your fellowman to die simply because he is mimicking what Jesus commanded his disciples! Matthew 28:20

So you can wish your fellowman death but know that what he said is exactly from Jesus Christ not human thinking,

@underlined lemme just close mouth for now!

For future reference (FFR)

and wipe out (ALL) unrighteousness

Now, you're talking. This is what Jesus wants to do not just exterminated human government.

So even though the guy in question is not one of my brothers in the faith i'm telling you now that what he said will stand against you in the day of judgement unless you're not one of those claiming followers of Christ! Matthew 7:21-23

Another FFR

Janosky:
Very correct.
This is true rendition of Exodus 3:14 PROVEN by Hebrew language speaking Jews (screenshots).

Smile... always jumping around to cherry pick whatever favour him.

From the same screenshot, you didn't see this "The Rotherham translation uses the word “Yahweh” as the translation of God’s name"

Besides, if this is the meaning of God's name. Why then do you reject it when God became MAN?

"I will become what I CHOOSE to become"

Has God proved this to be true at any time?

luwiizy:
why not die, so you can join God in heaven.

So you want him to kill himself ba!

MaxInDHouse:
It's through Government policies Jesus was put to death

Liar! It's through false accusation Jesus was put to death.

Read your Bible.

You're benefiting many things from human government today.

LordReed:
Do you think everyone who professes to follow Jesus does so?

My post isn't about EVERYONE.

MaxInDHouse:
True Christians have nothing to do with voting human government because our government is not of this world! John 18:36

But you have human government in Warwick

You even refer to them as "GOVERNING BODY"

We are praying for God's Kingdom to come {Matthew 6:9-10} all human governments will be exterminated {Daniel 2:44}

You're praying yet set up the same human government in Warwick

LordReed:
I salute you if you do give to the hungry and provide other tangible stuff, that's all I'm interested in.

So you think someone like him will not give to the hungry when Jesus Christ Himself commanded us to do so?

MaxInDHouse:
You should know that i'm not interested in fruitless arguments like you and your brethren who detests pastors while you revere them.

As usual, spewing an irrelevant point.

So continue arguing with him! Titus 3:9

Where is the argument?

Janosky:
The screenshot says it all.
Emusan LIAR is still LYING & DECEIVING himself.

Smile....when you have nothing to provide as fact.

So why don't you answer my question then?


JaNosense dull skull

Janosky:
Your LYING point has been exposed by Psalms 33:6 & Proverbs 8:22,27,30.

Emusan LIAR desperate to save face

Where are the lies?

JaNosense dumb

MaxInDHouse:
Now prove you're not a fool by answering the question:

Jesus was with God in the beginning {John 1:2} and Paul said everything was created through him {Colossians 1:16 compare to Proverbs 8:30} so is he an architect employed or the one who masterminded everything?

An Architect ONLY design. Get that into your dull skull.

God mastermind everything and carried out everything all by Himself.

Paul knows God's Word is God and God created everything through His Word.

No where God instructed another being in ALL THE CREATION ACCOUNTS.

I've challenge you to provide just a single verse.

Rather the scripture says God issued instructions to the things Created.

Secondly Emusan believe in pastors and church leaders but you detests all, so in what way are you both on the same page?

We're on the same page as Jesus is the Creator and the Saviour of the World whom all who come to Him will be saved.

Janosky:
Emusan LYING exposed by Psalms 33:6
Psalms 33:6
"The LORD Jehovah merely spoke, and the heavens were created. He breathed the word, and all the stars were born"

Proverbs 8:22,27,30 Jesus is a workman (craftsman) OBEYING the command of God his Maker.
Emusan LIAR desperate to save face & CHANGE the holy scriptures.

Address my point and stop being stupid.

MaxInDHouse:
We believe Jesus is Archangel Michael.

Of course you can believe what you want but immediately you cite scripture is where I can come in.

because I'll quote scripture to show you Jesus isn't Angel Michael

So case closed if you're not telling us what to believe!

Case did not close! Case will only close if you see me in your Hall telling you what you should believe.

So far this is not your Hall.

This thread was created not for JWs but since you hypocrite believe you must TELL PEOPLE what to believe, you jump in and begin to expose your lies the more.

Janosky:
Emusan LIAR SHAME ON YOU TRINITARIAN.
Four evidences against you confused LYING TRINITARIAN

The way you always sound, one can see the frustration in you very deep

Google , Divine definition:
Learn to pronounce divine
/dɪˈvʌɪn/
adjective
of or like God or a god.
"heroes with divine powers"
synonyms: godly, godlike, angelic.

JWs always maintained that Jesus was divine, a god, godlike,@ John 1:1 the evidences in screenshot.

Emusan LIAR confused by Trinity

You won't stop showcasing your shallow mind.

So Jesus is divine while on Earth and you claimed nothing exists of Him after He died.

Can angel die?

MaxInDHouse:
Go and settle with your brethren before coming to tell JWs what to believe.

When did I tell JWs what to believe?

You have come with your lies again.

Your fellow religionist said Catholics are doomed all your pastors he detests like filth yet that's the same religion that raised the concept of TRINITY for unah.

So is that the point here?

Catholic brought the concept of the name JEHOVAH and compilation of the scripture.

So what is your point Oga Ade?

So go and settle with him first!

I don't have anything to settle with anyone.

Or did I tell you that?