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MaxInDHouse:
It's about people who tolerate no rivalry for pure worship it's about faithful people who are interested in the one and only religion practicing pure worship. Even if they're worshipers of Sàngó presently as long as they want to prove that they have the only true religion such ones are Jehovah's sheep that must be found.

And Kumuyi has that quality too.

So no hidden place for.

Kumuyi met different religions claiming Christians and he couldn't find anything wrong with them till today he still recognize them as Christians so he's not a Christian for starting another one.

The same with Russell, reason he borrowed many of their doctrines.

SDA didn't believe in the ransom sacrifice of Christ to them it sounds like human sacrifice so they don't believe that Jesus died to save us.

They don't need to believe all what Russell believed.

The fact is Russell also retained many of their doctrines. The most important one is the 1914.

The path of righteousness is a gradual thing {Proverbs 4:18} the sign is that those on this path always believe in one God one organization.

Which is the reason why Russell heard about the Gospel before decided to start his own.

Jesus called many but they failed to make research that's why majority of those he called left him later! John 6:66

But the one who stayed with Him didn't do research.

So what happened to those that left and never came back if not that this ones made thorough research? Jesus himself confirmed that these ones have come to know that he is truly from God after thorough research on the scriptures and what Jesus is doing.

They have come TO KNOW which means they didn't search for it.

Remember they once asked him "why did the Scribes say 'Elijah must come first?'" {Matthew 17:10} that's a sign that they're still studying him despite all his miraculous works they knew the scriptures say God will send Elijah first before the Christ so if Jesus is the Christ then how come they're now seeing Elijah after seeing Jesus? Matthew 17:3

It shows they know what was written before and besides it's not the disciples who ask that question but the listeners.

God's Holy Spirit reveals information to God's servants gradually {Proverbs 4:18} that's why Jesus said there are informations his disciples can't bear at some point in time {John 16:12-13} so the Apostles that died before Jesus gave Apostle John the book of Revelations knew nothing about all those information yet they're part of his ruling team!

But the book of revelation doesn't contradict what the apostles know before their death.

Does what JWs preached today inline with what Russell claimed to be guided by God's Holy Spirit?

Naaaaa it's what each generation can bear that God's Holy Spirit reveals so the error is in the hands of the recipients not God's Holy Spirit!

That's nice! Then you agree Russell misrepresented what the Holy Spirit told him.

That's what we later found out about him Sir he was making research and progressing.

Which means, Russell lied against the Holy Spirit because he made the claim by himself not what someone attributed to him.

Just see the way you're trying to forced Russell into heaven

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Below are my other points you omitted or boycotted.

1. Can you list few mistake JWs have made so far and the corrections?

2. When God is involved not amendment or erred if not people won't believe in Him. So whatever amendment and error found in JWs, it's their own statement and error not God



You have to include the @underlined part

No wonder you can't support it with any Bible passage.



But you said there was no TRUE CHRISTIAN during Russell time so how come Russell heard about Christ from non Christian?



Jesus had already told His disciples what they should be expecting and they patiently wait for it. So they didn't do any research.

Stop the lies.



Very well
But Russell died worshiping Jesus and celebrating Christmas.



So it doesn't necessarily means you must belong to any group before you discovered something about Jesus.



Give the Bible verse where Jesus says He'll start gathering people in 1914.

Also, were you there or who was with Jesus when the gathering started in 1914?



Jesus statement to His disciples after they saw a man using Jesus name was "leave him alone, as long as he is not against us" Mark 9:39

But Russell has millions of dollars to his name and you believe he's ruling with Jesus.



As long as you didn't change to your usual mode

Okwyjesus:
That's a good legal defence. Civil offence is not Criminal offence.

It's evident you didn't read it.

He agreed that the forfeiture is narcotic related case.

This iss the part the Media trying to hide from his witness statement.

MaxInDHouse:
This is where wisdom comes in!

Do you have it?

Jehovah's Witnesses is not limited to Christianity many lived and died seeking the path of righteousness yet they're not Christians.

That's nice! Which means, Kumuyi is also in the part of righteousness.

So Christ recognized them because they're hungry and thirsty for truth not human philosophies! Matthew 5:6

So are you now Christ to have known those who belong to this group?

Kumuyi is not on that path otherwise he would have joined one out of the religions he couldn't disprove if truly they're practicing Christianity.

But you just said in the above that those on the right path doesn't need to be a Christian, so why must they belong to group of people practicing Christianity?

Today Kumuyi acknowledges many religions including the ones he met before starting his own so why did he split if those groups are practicing Christianity?

Till he died Russell acknowledge many doctrines of SDA, why did he leave?

Jehovah's Witnesses are always researchers in truth and righteousness

But not direct instructions from God.

check all worshipers of God in the Bible they're always asking questions to be sure of pure worship

NO! God revealed Himself to them and the disciples Jesus called them by Himself. No research was done.

so Jesus' disciples were researchers that's why they asked Jesus after thoroughly observing him:

Stop the lies! They are not in fact, many are unlearned.

"Lord, whom shall we go away to? You have sayings of everlasting life. We have believed and have come to know that you are the Holy One of God.” John 6:68-69

This is not a research statement but affirmation of their convictions in Christ.

If they weren't researchers they can't discover what others failed to realize about Jesus!

There's a saying that says "Seeing is believing" those disciples have actually saw and experienced what Jesus is capable of not through research.

If he started a new religion then how come it's not what he knew back then that we're doing today?

He started a new religion which you know and history does too.

Russell CLAIMED he knew exactly what he believed and the Holy Spirit guided him to that effect, so if not what Russell believed by then believe today by his followers then there's a problem somewhere.

Which means, Holy Spirit of God was not with him and never knew him or today's JWs has deviated from the truth revealed to him by the Holy Spirit.

God can't inspired error or confusion.

It's because he was making research on pure worship

When will you be truthful to yourself for once.

Russell never once claimed to be doing research but ACTUALLY CLAIMED he was guided by God's Holy Spirit.

If Russell hadn't involved God's Holy Spirit and claimed he's just doing research, nobody will take him serious but alas he connect most of his message to the direction of God's Holy Spirit.

that's why we are making more and more amendments each time we find out where he erred if he's the founder nobody can lay anything new on his foundation!

1. Can you list few mistake JWs have made so far and the corrections?

2. When God is involved not amendment or erred if not people won't believe in Him. So whatever amendment and error found in JWs, it's their own statement and error not God

1914 is solidly based on scriptural research if you want to know ask Jehovah's Witnesses to show you how we arrived at 1914!

You have to include the @underlined part

No wonder you can't support it with any Bible passage.

Russell believes the little he heard about Jesus

But you said there was no TRUE CHRISTIAN during Russell time so how come Russell heard about Christ from non Christian?

and continued learning to know more just like Jesus' first century Jews disciples that's why he prayed for them! John 17:8-9

Jesus had already told His disciples what they should be expecting and they patiently wait for it. So they didn't do any research.

Stop the lies.

Did you know what amendments means?

Very well
But Russell died worshiping Jesus and celebrating Christmas.

Well it's about what you discovered that you're not aware before so Jesus cherish such ones!

So it doesn't necessarily means you must belong to any group before you discovered something about Jesus.

After 1914 Jesus began gathering his people under one umbrella so if anyone fails to know this he or she can't be part of those to rule with Christ.

Give the Bible verse where Jesus says He'll start gathering people in 1914.

Also, were you there or who was with Jesus when the gathering started in 1914?

Remember the Jews man also acknowledged Jesus as Lord but instead of joining Jesus' group he love riches, prominence and fame more so can such ones rule with Christ? Luke 18:18-23

Jesus statement to His disciples after they saw a man using Jesus name was "leave him alone, as long as he is not against us" Mark 9:39

But Russell has millions of dollars to his name and you believe he's ruling with Jesus.

Let's leave that for now and continue with our interesting discussion!

As long as you didn't change to your usual mode

MaxInDHouse:
Of course he's on the path of righteousness!

But he died not being a Christian.

And Kumuyi was also on the path of righteousness.

He was a learner just like Jesus' first century followers who were ready to learn so instead of sticking to man-made doctrines himself and his friends were making research to discover true Christianity that's why they kept making amendments unlike others who just swallow the laid down doctrines of Hellfire!

It was just research and not directly from Jesus or God. So the research is self employed.

Early apostles aren't on research but follow God's instructions as given to them directly from God Himself.

NO! He didn't start anything

He did! Stop lying on what is not hidden to anyone.

because what Himself and his fellow researchers were doing was found WRITTEN in Jesus' word so how can he be the founder?

Russell borrowed many ideas from SDA especially 1914 claim. So not research solely based on Bible but self employed work from man-made point reason a doctrine of 1914 has no biblical link.

Being part of those who will rule with Christ in heaven has to do with only those who are ready to make amendments {John 3:5-6}

So someone has not to be a follower of Christ before being part of those who rule with Him.

All these lied is just to praise Russell while condemning another.

so if Russell and his fellow researchers were humble like children to admit their errors and make amendments the man from Nazareth said they are qualified to rule with him! Matthew 18:4

I repeat Russell didn't Ake any amendments, he died worshiping Jesus and celebrating Christmas. I asked again what amendment did he make?

At least he discovered that there is nothing called Hellfire in God's will!

If that is the only amendment, do you realise many denominations don't subscribe to the doctrine of Hell Fire as well?

So will they be part of those who will rule with Christ?

Why not reciprocate the way i'm dealing with you?

Do you even want to deny you haven't rained insults on me on this forum?

You have no business with the way i dealt with others since you don't know what transpired before.

Of course I don't but stop parading yourself as if you don't start insults on people.

So stick to the way i'm dealing with you not how i dealt with those you don't even know what they did to me.

My point is cleared stay on the subject matter.

Remember Jesus CURSED some people yet he commanded us to bless those who curse us so do you think it's proper to start cursing Jesus since he also cursed some people or it's wiser to find out what really happened that led to the incident?

You're not Jesus so stop the comparison.

If you insults people because Jesus cursed some people then you take the same insults when directed at you since Jesus did same.

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus himself made sure that the message was preserved {Revelation 22:10} so even though true Christianity was no more in Russell's day {Luke 18:8} how to recover it is written in the Bible! John 8:32

That means Russell isn't a true Christian since there's no one in his time!

That's the point I want.

Christianity is not about the knowledge of it all but gradual understanding of truth {Proverbs 4:18} so true Christians don't start their own religion when they have found what is working fine as pure worship.

But Russell started it so he's not a true Christian!

YES! When Jesus chose his apostles and promised them that they will rule with him in heaven they weren't all knowing but humble learners ever ready to make amendments in order to meet up with God's will which is making up a global family of peace loving worshipers. So the selection wasn't based on accurate knowledge otherwise Pharisees and Sadducees could have had better chances than Jesus' disciples when talking about those going to rule with Christ in heaven. Matthew 19:28

But Russell who isn't a true Christian is part of people ruling with Jesus

He was willing to make amendments to meet up with God's will so YES, He was one of the lost sheep of the house of Israel! Matthew 10:6

Yet he died worshiping Jesus as God and celebrating Christmas.

So which amendment did he make before he died?

You should know me better by now, i'm ever ready to answer all your questions so far you don't turn to provocation and insults!

You've started your lies!

Show me where I insulted you but I can show you many insults you've raise on people.

So continue to answer my questions before changing to your usual mode.

MightySparrow:
You have not answered the question.

Ok

But if you think you have, let us examine the passage.
1. Jesus came in His Father's name. He was not accepted.

That was Jesus own statement.

2. Mohammed came in his own name ( self called, self sent prophet).

At least you can deduce this from that statement.

3. Even then, he was not accepted by Jews.

And to you the statement was targeted at the Jews only....

4. The verse says, ' if someone comes n his own name.'
This is conditional statement not a prophecy.

Smile.... What if another version didn't use

5. I think you qouted wrongly.

No! As you rightly deduce the part that Muhammad fulfilled.


Please give unambiguous bible references.
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MaxInDHouse:
Charles Taze Russell died in the year 1916 when there was no religion preaching from house to house just as Jesus commanded so it's his cohorts that improved on what he knew back then

So how does Russell himself head about the Jesus since nobody is following what Jesus commanded?

therefore even though both Kumuyi and Russell are wrong in many things

Yet you believe Russell is a Christian but Kumuyi is not, isn't that hypocrisy?

Also, despite this, you also believe Russell is part of the anointed people ruling with Jesus in heaven presently

yet Kumuyi had the opportunity Russell never had:

But the same Russell is in heaven now ruling with Jesus

Kumuyi met a well organized group of zealous preachers and industrious teachers of God's word yet he decided to start his own business which never produced a global family of peace loving worshipers.

Story!!!!

Hypocrite, is Russell a Christian or not?

So just like John the baptist Russell never had the opportunity to experience a global family of peace loving worshipers God promised he would have embraced it with all his heart unlike Kumuyi who saw it but started hitting his head on a brick trying to form his own that can never ever produce the same fruit!

Despite this, Russell is a Christian and part of those ruling in heaven with Jesus now according to JWs hypocrite!

Never ignore any of my point or question!!!

MaxInDHouse:
Please what do you mean by "CHRISTIANS" as you link Kumuyi with Christianity?

The Bible taught us what Christianity is all about and from what was penned down in the Bible Kumuyi is far away from Christianity!

Kumuyi is far from Christianity but Charles T. Russell was embedded in Christianity

MightySparrow:
Good morning brethren. Please re there clear cut prophecies about the rise of Islam? Going true the prophecies of Daniel and Revelations, it doesn't look like Islam is ever implied.

Contributions please.

Of course, there are!

One of them is: "I have come in my Father’s name, and you do not accept me; but if someone else comes in his own name, you will accept him." John 5:43

lawalsodiq234:
Yes I have seen it 793

Their review on playstore isn't encouraging at all. Try to check it.

This country is something else.

DeAdvokate:
Can this report leads to total cancellation of the presidential election?

It can not but it's a strong support to focus on the judiciary as the same presidential election still at dispute at Tribunal.

[quote author= post=124069835]Gbam[/quote]Gbam, yet you hate Obi and his supporters

Are you not supposed to be praising and love them for that?

handiriwamadi:
Reno was right. pdp never wanted to win the election. i said this before.

If he's right!

Why then did he continue to campaign for Atiku till the very end of the election?

Did he believe Obi has electoral value after he left PDP?

Lastly, if Obi actually paved way for Tinubu presidency, why did Tinubu supporters hate Obi and his supporters?

Gandrova:
The yes Daddy tape which you said you never listened to was all about Religion mass voting! P.O clearly implore Oyedepo to advice his followers to vote for him, that it was a Religion war!
He was really begging Oyedepo to asked him followers to vote for him. Although, I respect his response that the Lord would perfect it.
He was tactical in his response.
I don't Blame him because, he is a politician that wanted to win @ all cost.

This your statement is really laughable

Although I know you want to feast on that but looking at it unbiased.

If the said call was made at the eve of election day (24th Feb), what could Oyedepo do the following day to convince his church members to vote for Obi?

Remember the most effective way for Oyedepo to have passed the message will be on the pulpit when thousands are listening to his message.

I still don't see how such discussion could've come up at that late hour.

FreedomfromtheT:
Can you please list those their 8 lies if you know them for us to learn.
Thank you.

Check it out Here

LordReed:
So?

But you have evidence of evolution from the first life

Very different since I don't claim special revelation or any crap like that.

Nothing different, where you got your information from, can you verify it?

You are the one claiming to need first hand evidence. When I ask you for it don't start to twist mouth o.

You've started twisting my post.

FreedomfromtheT:
Who are these lying 8 old men in Warwick please?

Watchtower Governor Bodies

LordReed:
I have evidence we evolved.

Yet you don't know about the first life

Yes, I am not claiming to be all knowing or superhuman.

Which means you're not different from Theist who believe in what God says.

LoLz. Don't worry when I ask you for first hand evidence just be ready to provide it.

Do you have the first hand evidence as well?

LordReed:
Because we have evidence.

It obviously could since we are evolved from it.

You have evidence yet you don't know

If you didn't study science in school then you may have this view but I did and I can query it and I have queried it which is why my position is still tentative.

With all the science you studied in school and you're still relying on Google

BTW it is you now claiming the need for first hand experience when I begin to ask you if you have first hand experience of certain things don't buckle under aight? LoL.

You just believe on online reading and swallow everything dishes.

LordReed:
What has not knowing how life started got to do with it evolving? Nothing.

If you don't know how it started, how do you know its nature and structure?

What if the first life can't evolve based on its structure?

Yes, I "read that on Google"

Good which means it's not your first hand experience. You just swallow whatever they claim and you don't even have the capability to query it.

LordReed:
I dunno but there are several lines of inquiry into that that are yielding good results.

You don't know yet you believe life is evolving

Are you part of the people making the inquiry or you just read that on Google?

LordReed:
They were not created, they evolved.

How does the first life come about before evolution started?

MaxInDHouse:
Promise:
God promised to unite all His worshipers under one umbrella! Isaiah 2:2-4
Fulfilment:
In the year 1931 people from different countries throughout the world met in Ohio and began bearing the Name "Jehovah's Witnesses" Isaiah 65:15

So bearing the name Jehovah Witness doesn't start from the time of the Apostles but in year 1931 that countered your lies on this forum

Promise:
Worshipers of the Bible God will be visiting their neighbours at home for heart to heart discussion! Malachi 3:16
Fulfilment:
Starting from 1919 till today Jehovah's Witnesses are still visiting their neighbours from house to house just as Jesus commissioned it! Matthew 10:11-13

But the name Jehovah Witness was known in the year 1931 according to you, so how come the same Jehovah Witness started visiting people from 1919

I can go on and on if time permits!

And the lies will go on and on

MaxInDHouse:
The guy himself is a LIAR!
There are only twelve chosen apostles of Christ and they're to coordinate the Israelites in doing God's will {Luke 22:30} the last apostle was chosen to connect people of the nations to Christ Jesus {Act 9:15; Galatians 2:7} there is no other apostle after Paul so the guy in the video is a LIAR!

Just as you yourself is a liar for claiming the Holy Spirit of God told you I'm many people on this forum.

When the Holy Spirit of God can't tell lies.

So the guy who posted the above is a liar!

MaxInDHouse:
That's not a slogan but teaching of a religious sect so they can't ask you if you believe it since you've not studied the Bible with them in other to agree on the doctrine.

It's a slogan and not even Biblical.

But calling Jesus Lord and Saviour is well Biblical.

Among themselves after studying (observing) him for a long time {Matthew 16:13-16} they won't go about asking members of other religions if they have accepted their own teaching without prior agreement.

Jesus is Lord and Saviour! Says the scripture.

Is it then wrong to ask if Jesus should be your Lord and Saviour?

YES! It is wrong because it's after studying the Bible together that people come to agreement not just asking someone from another religion if he has accepted what you believe without any agreement on what the scripture say!

It's not wrong!

Liar! Peter said Jesus has been MADE Lord and Saviour. Which means even to unbelievers. But the confession has to be made first.

NO! Jesus can only save those believing in him and acting on his instructions not everyone so he is Lord only over his own disciples that's why those who never believe him slapped and spat on his face. Surely none of his disciples can do that to him because to them Jesus is Lord!

Is Jesus your Lord and Saviour?

Very simple question and you keep jumping up and down like kangaroo

I won't answer you because you and i are talking about different Jesus, before i can agree on what you're saying we must agree to n what Jesus commanded then we can both talk about how to carry out the orders of our Lord. But since we aren't agreeing on terms and conditions of worship keep your Jesus while i keep mine!

When the question hits the right spot

Who are WITNESSES of someone?
Are they those shouting his name using various slogans or those acting on his orders? Matthew 7:21-23 compare to Matthew 15:8

And the order is that "YOU SHALL BE MINE WITNESS"

Do you keep that command?

Janosky:
Matthew 7:21-23, Jesus Christ is NEVER lord to 3 deities worshippers,efulefu workers of iniquity.

I agree totally and also the worshipers of the lying 8 old men in Warwick

MaxInDHouse:
This is not what i asked you!

You people just pick up a slogan and start parroting it as if any servant of God taught it in the Bible.

Where did Jesus or any apostles talk about 1914?

Hypocrite!

You pick up that slogan from where?

In the congregation of God each member must see Christ Jesus as his owner who bought him at a high cost so when Jesus gives orders anyone who doesn't join others in carrying out Jesus' order is lying to his own soul that's what the scriptures teaches not that you will just walk up to someone without any agreement on what Jesus commanded then start asking if such a person has accepted Jesus as Lord.

Storyteller

Did apostles of Jesus call Him their Lord and Saviour?

The answer is resounding Yes!

Is it wrong to say to accept Jesus as your Lord and Saviour?

The answer is a resounding, No!

If you're not a dummy i have been quoting Jesus ever since i came to this thread telling you what he commanded and how to carry out his orders you're only quoting verses that has nothing to do with Jesus' order then claiming Kumuyi this Kumuyi that.

Did Jesus say He is the Lord and Saviour of the world?

The scripture has been provided, so why can't you answer the simple question if Jesus is your Lord and Saviour..

Can you quote anywhere in all my posts where i quoted anyone apart from Jesus?

The scriptures he has been quoted since were they from watchtower booklets?

Well that's what it means to accept Jesus as Lord not just calling him Lord! Lord! Without knowing or carrying out his orders! Matthew 7:21-23

Jesus says "you'll receive power after the Holy Spirit has come upon you and you shall be MY WITNESS..."

MaxInDHouse:
Dogma!

Thomas: "My Lord and My God"

Matthew 8:21 And another of his disciples said unto him, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father.

Matthew 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

Matthew 14:28 And Peter answered him and said, Lord, if it be thou, bid me come unto thee on the water.

Matthew 22:43 He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,

John 13:13 Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am.

Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

1 Corinthians 1:9 God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.

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Luke 2:11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.

1 Timothy 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope

1 Timothy 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;

Titus 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

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Every true disciples of Jesus Christ are always proud to call Jesus their Lord and Saviour but JWs is afraid and called it dogma

Anyways, I know you're not bold enough to answer that question straight forward.

MaxInDHouse:
It's just a dogma!

Jesus isn't your Lord and Personal Saviour!

MaxInDHouse:
It's a dogma!

It's like you just learnt that word

Meanwhile, meaning of dogma is "a principle or set of principles laid down by an authority as incontrovertibly true."

So is it true that Jesus is your Lord and Personal Saviour?

SangoOlukosoOba:
Rebuke or accept, you cannot t abolish the orientation.

The earlier you accept, the better! Cos it’s wave that BOUND to have a place.

I remembered when ladies were forbidden to wear trousers and indecent dressing was a taboo in Nigeria, it was even an abomination to wear to church, but today, it has been accepted and thriving!

Same way LGBTQ will come. In denial, it will be accepted.

This scripture came to mind

"Sin will be rampant everywhere, and the love of many will grow cold." Matt 24:12

MaxInDHouse:
It's not a reasonable question but an ideology based on dogma!

So Jesus isn't your Lord and Personal Saviour....