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MaxInDHouse:
Of course it's the same God Jews worship in the temple that Jesus also worshiped that's what he confirmed before a Samaritan woman at Jacob's well:

"You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, because salvation begins with the Jews". John 4:22

But the light of truth came {Proverbs 4:18} and the Jews rejected it {John 3:19} so from that moment all Judaists has become unbelievers that's why John the baptist told his own disciples to follow Jesus! John 1:35-39

So you mean SDA rejected the light Russell brought to them

Please provide where he did.

So when Russell discovered that the SDA will not accept the light of truth that Jesus is the lamb of God who was sacrificed to take away our sin he left that church because from that moment the SDA is no longer good for a true believer!

"He discovered" how do you know this?

Were you with him?

Will Jesus correct them or not? Why do you boycott this question?

Anyway, I know to answer that will put an end to this issue

MaxInDHouse:
I'm not referring to the Jews but to Jesus and his disciples who found the scriptures in the hands of Judaist.
Are you saying Jesus and his disciples are still worshipping the same God with those Jews since they (Jesus and his disciples) inherited the scriptures from Judaists?

Accept your analogy failed first.

The God Jews worship is the same God Jesus came from.

But I can see how you keep dodging my questions.

Will Jesus correct them or not?

femisplash:
The dogshit you are parading was from david hundeyin aud has been littered over the internet long election. It is not the internet that will tell me whether a certain certificate is genuine or not,rather it's both CSU and INEC that will authenticate and on which premise the court will give her judgement. This is a no brainer for someone with a brain.

Olodo...

It's like you have problem with someone that's very obvious.

Now, like I said, you people can defend when it comes to the person you love but condemned when it comes to the one you hate.

I repeat CSU was subpoena and they presented a certificate which the court admitted. So how is it about what someone was parading on the internet?

Or you don't know what subpoena mean?

Again, I said he submitted NYSC CERTIFICATE to the INEC in 1999 but submitted exception letter to the same INEC last year.

Is it a lie or not?

MaxInDHouse:
The Jews today don't believe in Jesus Christ yet they carry the Torah (commandments of the old covenant) on their heads.

Failed analogy!

The Jews don't believe in Jesus and never copy anything from the New Testament.

Or do they?

So are you saying Jesus and his disciples are still worshipping the same God with those faithless people since himself and his disciples still keep the scriptures found with the Jews?

The scriptures found within the Jews if for anyone.

But the doctrine of SDA is solely for SDA.

So if some SDA doctrines is also ok with Jesus after Russell left then what Jesus will do is to correct for incorrect doctrines like He did to the seven churches.

For instance, the 1914 was done by SDA and Russell copied it not research or reveal by Jesus or the Father.

Russell left because those people rejected the vital part of faith in Christ Jesus which is his death to save mankind so whatever they knew about the scriptures is not their doing it's what is written in the scriptures!

Now this is the key point and I like it.

So in a not SHELL Russell LEFT not that he was instructed or commanded to do so.

Are you saying Jesus won't correct them for accepting such doctrine?

MaxInDHouse:
That's why i speak for only JWs because only the JWs doctrine is pure!

You can't speak for only JWs because JWs is also PART of your "THOSE" who claims to believe in Jesus.

DevilsEqual:
Link to the report, lets all read it

U cant send a screenshot here and expect us to take the persons own opinion as EUs

The link has been on line for many days now yet you don't have it. Meaning you haven't even read it.

Better check EU website you'll see the report there so that you won't claim the report has been doctored or is it even piloted

Then check page 26 of the report!

koolhayde:
Fake and biased report.

To you it's fake but on reality of the campaign by Tinubu you can see the reality on the present economy.

MaxInDHouse:
If all those claiming they believe in Jesus can't come up with the same DOCTRINE {John 17:22; 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3}

So do you have same doctrines with those who claims to believe in Jesus?

then don't condemn Muslims after all they also claim they believe in God and Jesus!

That means Muslim and JWs are on the same page!

MaxInDHouse:
If they're not having the same line of thought then they're not worshipping the same God!

Says you and not Jesus

I have given them the glory that you have given me, in order that they may be one just as we are one. John 17:23

Now I urge you, brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you should all speak in agreement and that there should be no divisions among you, but that you may be completely united in the same mind and in the same line of thought. 1 Corinthians 1:10

earnestly endeavoring to maintain the oneness of the spirit in the uniting bond of peace. Ephesians 4:3

I guess you know all this more than Jesus Himself.

Thank God similar cases happened and Jesus addressed it well.

Just like I said, had it been you're around that era, your song would have been we're the only one worshiping the true God.

So once Russell left the SDA he's no longer a worshiper of their God

Says you and not Jesus Christ.

Kumuyi leaving his former church is wrong if he's still claiming the same God they worship.

Says you and not Jesus or Bible.

That's why Jehovah's Witnesses will never ever pray or worship with any other religionists if you're not one of Jehovah's Witnesses having the same line of thought with us:

"because I have given them the sayings that you gave me, and they have accepted them and have certainly come to know that I came as your representative, and they have believed that you sent me. I make request concerning them; I make request, not concerning the world, John 17:8-9

Nobody give a rat about that but just keep your hypocrisy in your bag.

The evidence from the scripture is that Jesus Himself corrected churches without saying they're not worshiping God.

So for Kumuyi to have left his former religion and still claiming he's worshiping the same God with them is a deceit!

If Russell is not worshiping the same God with them why did he retain some of their doctrines?

You can make any claim but the truth will continue to hit you hard.

seanfer:
Then let us wait for the court to give judgement on the case in from of it... Except you want to claim the Judiciary has been bought....

There are things you don't wait for judgement for.

If this happens to be another person you hate you won't wait for judgement.

Tinubu submitted NYSC certificate to INEC in 1999 but submitted exception letter to the same INEC last year.

Do you need any court to tell you that this is wrong?

"You'll know the truth and the truth shall set you free" says the Holy book

femisplash:
Son, let me educate you. It is onlx the awarding institutim that is recognized by law to confirm the authenticity or otherwise of its documents. Did CSU say the cert Tinubu allegedly submitted was fake?, it is not illegal for an institution to change any of its document with the changing times, still doesn' render the old one invalid.

Like I said, it's sweet to condemn but hard to accept the truth.

1. The one submitted has the date 22nd and the one provided has the date 27th. Now you'll put the blame on the school for typographical error

2. The one submitted to INEC has third party signature while the one provided has only two. How come?

3. The one provided has different school logo compare to the one provided by the school.

So can you see what you're defending now?

What about Tinubu submitting NYSC certificate to INEC in 1999 but submitted exception letter to the same INEC in 2022?

You didn't talk about that.

seanfer:
If in your submission why not go to court and get a judgement against him... See how you're so sure that he is guilty....

The case is in the court already.

Yes he is guilty because I've seen the certificate he presented to INEC and the one provided by CSU on subpoena

Also, what about him submitted NYSC certificate to INEC for governorship election in 1999 and submitting exception letter to INEC last year?

You people don't want justice but just the one that favour you.

femisplash:
Have you been to CSU in the US and was told his cert was fake?

Olodo....PEPT admitted a copy of certificate provided by CSU on subpoena just of recent and it's different from the one submitted to INEC.

You can see you have started defending now.

or you just seated behind your keyboard swallowimg some dogshit, while you're swallowing dogshit, Tinubu's lawyers were submitting his academic documents signed by CSU and was admitted by the tribunal.

Do you also know the same tribunal admitted the certificate from CSU on subpoena?

The first pic is the one submitted to INEC
The second pic is the submitted by CSU on subpoena.

You can see you're not really after against injustice but against who committed it.

seanfer:
Don't get me wrong.... I never claim that Tinubu is guilty or not, but there is no panel of inquiry that has found him guilty unlike the little girl that the panel set up by the state government find her guilty.....

He is guilty more than anybody.

1. The certificate submitted to INEC is different from the one CSU provided on subpoena.

2. Before becoming Governor in 1999, he submitted an NYSC certificate to INEC but for presidential election this year he submitted a letter of exception to INEC.

Don't tell me you're not aware of any of these.

FreeStuffsNG:
Even though he is not the only one, Mr Innocent Chukwuma, CEO of Innoson, was the one who actually started this nonsense of casting doubt and aspersions on JAMB as soon as JAMB officially declared the fake result paraded by Mmesoma Ejikeme as fake. It is so unfair on JAMB and its patriotic officials.

It can be very demoralising and we owe these officials and our institutions the patriotic duty of defending them against ethnic jingoists and intimidation by people with influence to peddle falsehoods and ethnic jingoism.

In my opinion, the MD of Innoson, Mr Innocent Chukwuma is not innocent and should apologise too.

Mr Innocent did same thing with his court case when Guaranty Trust Bank, GTB declared that he as owing them and should pay up his debt. That case became a media trial and like this case of Mmesoma Ejikeme, turned into a tribal fight.

He has lost this one too.

Who else should apologise?

Have you called your president to apologize to Nigerian for the fake certificate submitted to INEC?

femisplash:
Niggar, if you don't want to Ronu, you are free to Ponu like Aisha. Ponu is the perfect description for zombidents.

Funny as many of you like to support evil while pretending to hate it.

Tinubu submitted fake certificate to the INEC, have you called him out or call for his prosecution?

seanfer:
I hope all armed robbers too can hide under the pretense that because some are not caught they should let those in custody go....

But Tinubu was caught, have you ever raised the issue?

Ikaeniyan0:
It seems these woman is going insane

No! Do you ever drag Tinubu for submitting fake certificate to the INEC?

MaxInDHouse:
So after all what Jesus wrote to them if they failed to have the same line of thought they're still worshipping the same God, shey?

The repercussion was boldly stated by Jesus Himself. You're the one going with that man made doctrine of not worshiping the true God.

In fact, in the letter to Pergamum, Jesus said “14 But I have a few complaints against you. You tolerate some among you whose teaching is like that of Balaam, who showed Balak how to trip up the people of Israel. He taught them to sin by eating food offered to idols and by committing sexual sin. 15 In a similar way, you have some Nicolaitans among you who follow the same teaching. 16 Repent of your sin, or I will come to you suddenly and fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

Jesus promised to come personally for a visit not to send anyone nor claimed they're not worshiping the true God.

The point you've been dodging is that, Jesus sent warmings to the erring churches and didn't call anyone for a new church to be established.

1. Russell wasn't called by Jesus Himself but just doing research about Bible (according to you) which means nobody sent him for that (even though the man never claimed doing research but he was the mouthpiece of God).

2. The fact that Russell could copy some of the SDA doctrines means they are not totally out of the path just that they need a strong warning from Jesus just like the churches.

3. Jesus would rather correct them and bring justice to them if they failed to listen to Him like He warned the church in Pergamum than instructing for a new church.

Finally, Russell and Kumuyi must be a Christian or they might not.

Do you agree?

MaxInDHouse:
You lied!

And you couldn't point out the lie.

Jesus sent words to churches in different geographical locations rebuking them for allowing the lifestyles of people living in their locality influence their lifestyles.

So, did Jesus deny them worshiping the same God or not?

If you're there, won't you claim that yours is in the only one worshiping the true God?

Jesus actually condemned some for this telling them he will trash them {Revelations 3:16}

The point is, Jesus never claimed they're not worshiping the true God or instruct anyone else to go and form a new body.

So, if Jesus actually spoke to Russell during his time He'll only use him(Russell) to condemn maybe one or two of their doctrines not to claim they're not worshiping the true God.

because according to the foundation he laid all his churches must have the same line of thought despite difference in locations? John 17:22

That was not the point of Jesus Letters in Revelation and the fact that Jesus could correct His churches at that early stage shows it's not about ONE LINE OF THOUGHT but upholding the truth.

So back to Russell and Kumuyi, both are Christians or they are not.

You can't eat your cake and also have it

MaxInDHouse:
It's like you don't understand, well when Taze left SDA he meant he's no longer a worshiper of their god.

He didn't, he just did same thing Kumuyi did.

So if you take it that Kumuyi isn't a Christian them Russell isn't a Christian also.

Are you saying Kumuyi and those churches aren't worshipping the same god?

Jesus wrote letters to churches having different opinions yet He never claimed they're not worshiping the same God.

If happened that you live in that era, you'll be claiming that yours among the seven churches is doing pure worship why others are not true followers.

If you can leave the Vail of man made doctrine WTBS had used to covered your face then you'll understand through the scripture that it had happened before in which the very person involved (Jesus) never made the same claim you're making today.

Luckysbab:
What sort of foolish question is this, for God's sake? So you suddenly have memory loss as to the term "side hustle"?

This is pathetic!

And the side hustle doesn't have a name!

So pathetic like the person you're defending.

MaxInDHouse:
Well you're wrong completely!
His parents were Catholics until his mother's death, his two brothers also died remaining only Charles and his father, the Catholics told him and his dad that God wanted angels in heaven that's why God called his mother and little brothers, from that moment Charles started having doubts with the Catholic Church.
It's his quest for Bible understanding that made him follow his father to newly formed group called SDA today and because that group disagreed with the idea that Jesus died for mankind's sin he left the SDA.

Not true, he didn't leave because of that but because there was disagreement.

Also, Just as Jesus sent messages to the churches Jesus could have use him to correct their error.

Don't forget Russell copied some of their doctrines like that 1914

Churches in Asia means geographical locations and seven congregations not what you have today where Kumuyi started his own right in the same location that there is C.A.C., The Apostolic Church, Methodist Church, Apostolic Faith and many more NO the churches Jesus sent words to are in different geographical locations you can confirm by reading it again you will find out that they're not in the same community!

Whether in the same location or not. The point is Jesus sent a message to them instead of telling someone to leave their midst and start another one.

So Jesus Christ could have used Russell to issue correction on the churches instead of starting his own (when Jesus was not even involved).

In conclusion, Jesus didn't instruct anyone to leave and start afresh but sent a message of warning to those who are going on the wrong path and a give kudos to those who are doing the will of the father.

At last, Russell and Kumuyi are of the same root, whatever you praise Russell and agree to be part of those ruling with Jesus then the same goes to Kumuyi.

GeneralDae:
Okay so how does that invalidate it from being a civil forfeiture?

So a narcotic offence is a civil forfeiture to you oh ma Se ooo

Like witness like supporter

The witness says money laundering isn't a criminal offence.

GeneralDae:
What about narcotic? Read my previous submissions. Stop going round in circles.

I didn't you're the one going in circles.

The forfeiture came from NARCOTIC RELATED OFFENCES.

MaxInDHouse:
Your questions are unlimited but can i ask just one?

You've started.

Russell first of all search for a religion teaching the truth but couldn't find any that's why he left SDA

No! He was born as SDA and grow up to become key member, if he was searching for true worship, God would have called him out before then.

Rather he had misunderstanding with the SDA people and he left.

It's you people who is changing the narrative.

so why did Kumuyi start another group if churches like Apostolic Faith, C.A.C, The Apostolic Church, Methodist Church and many more that you often defend are all groups practicing Christianity?

In Revelation, Jesus wrote letters to seven churches and highlights their errors and told them to amend their ways. Why didn't Jesus instruct someone to start new church?

So Jesus could have just use Russell to write a letter to the SDA if they are not actually in path of righteousness.

Or do you think Jesus will just abandoned people who are using His name wrongly without correction even when many members will be true to their worship?

The same reason Russell pull out of SDA and started his own without God's backing is the reason there are many denominations in Christ body today.

Thanks in advance!

You're welcome in advance!

GeneralDae:
It was for both. You go read the full court document.

But the main point is narcotic.

GeneralDae:
If American court found he was also involved in the drug ring, he would not only have forfeited, he would have been extradited to America to serve his term especially in a time like 1993 when there was all out war on drugs and racism against blacks was more of a thing than now.
Additionally, America wouldn't grant him visa after that to enter their country anyhow he sees fit.

That was the content of the forfeiture case.

Nigeria visa or Guinea?

Mccullum:
It is for tax evasion.

But the case is narcotic related.

Which the witness agree with.

So come with another lie.

GeneralDae:
I don't know what you are arguing. No one ever denied it was about illicit drug business but rather was Tinubu involved in it to warrant a criminal forfeiture plus jail? or he just innocently kept money for his client in America who was involved, which would then amount to only a civil forfeiture of the funds without further Penalties?
The latter scenario was what happened.

You keep saying client client...


What business was Tinubu doing to make him have a client?

GeneralDae:
It doesn't matter. Narcotics related money entered his account but his defense was that he only received money from a client living in America. Judges could not prove whether or not was involved in the Narcotics. If the American judges couldn't prove that, how should our courts go about proving that?

American court did and the reason for the forfeited of that huge amount.

What business was he doing when he is also working with a company?

Many of you will just try to defend without looking at the statement critically.