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MaxInDHouse:
So are the churches of Christendom united in their faith?

You are not Jesus, leave that to Jesus to decide.

If so why contradictions?

And JWs is also part of the contradictions.

Don't forget that the only reason why you're trying to argue is because Muslims don't bear the same tag with you people

No! But I know they don't believe in Jesus Christ of Nazareth and no Christian denominations that don't believe in the key message of Jesus

but when it comes to claims they surely say they believe in God and in Jesus!

That is why you call it CLAIMED but you yourself know it's not TRUE.

But you just want to argue for WTBS not what the Bible actually say.

MaxInDHouse:
From your point of view

No! From evidences I've put forth since.

but from my point of view Kumuyi wasn't making any research with any group so he was looking for how to start his own business

And where was Bible say people will do research?

You're going back to already thrashed point.

while Russell was making the research with a group of people to find the truth

And I asked which truth did Russell find that was not already known by people before him?

This is the problem when you won't address point but just talking out of your programmed mind.

that's why one has successfully removed the use of weapons from the heart of members so that brothers in Christ won't lift up weapons against themselves

Can you give a proof of where Christians carry weapons against the fellow Christians?

Or better show us where Kumuyi teaches his church how to carry weapons against themselves.

while the other only gather gullible churchgoers collecting money from them and when politics calls members from different geographical locations will kill one another!

Irrelevance.

Just show where Kumuyi teaches his church to carry weapons and kill themselves.

Claiming to be like Christ but putting forth false allegations every here and there

MaxInDHouse:
So if they all believe th same thing about Jesus of Nazareth who said his own disciples will have the same line of thought {John 17:22}

I'm expecting you to counter my point by bringing denominations that doesn't hold those four points but at last you can.

Jesus never talk about THE SAME LINE OF THOUGHT

That's just your own part of the problem of believing in man made doctrine. What Jesus prayed for is unity.

Misunderstanding can come, even among JWs misunderstanding happens.

why abusing, insulting and cursing one another nah?

JWs do the same!

So come with another lie

MaxInDHouse:
OK if that's what you want to believe!

It's the fact!

MaxInDHouse:
So there's no need asking questions just drop your own comment about Kumuyi and leave!

Like founder like follower

Russell and Kumuyi are not Christians QED

MaxInDHouse:
There's contradictions on what to believe among them!

Liar!

Those four point are core belief of any Christian.

So come with another lie.

yemex04:
Why not show us the said different NYSC certificates i.e the one he submitted in 1999 & that of 2023... at least you claimed he submitted Exemption certificate of NYSC in 2023 & I showed you you are wrong, it is based on hear say that he indeed certificate of National service in 2023 as seen in the attached... Kindly show us your own version of what he submitted in 2023.

Am I the one who sho you this one?

So just show us what he submitted in 1999

MaxInDHouse:
Joseph and Mary brought Jesus up in Nazareth and Muslims always call Jesus "son of Mary"
So they know he is Jesus of Nazareth.

Simple question you'll begin to preambulating

Do you agree with them that it was Jesus of Nazareth?

Regarding the highlighted those claiming Christians differ in their understanding

Liar! Provide your evidence.

so it's better to agree with all those claiming believers in Jesus after all it's just their mouth they call Jesus Lord.
Jesus said it's FRUIT that matter! Matthew 7:16-23

Jesus never said it's fruit that matters, stop lying against Jesus.

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Here is my point again.

The centre message of Christianity are:

1. Jesus as Son of God (some gives further explanation)
2. Jesus death
3. Jesus resurrection
4. Salvation ONLY through Jesus Christ.

Tell me just one among this four that a Muslim accept and tell me one denomination who reject just one.

MaxInDHouse:
Motives really matter.
If your motive is to find out what is wrong you must be in the gathering of two or three so that Jesus can come into your midst {Matthew 18:20} he will use God's Holy Spirit to guide your group to the truth {John 16:12-13} but if your motive is just to set up your own business Jesus will not support such actions so instead of finding the truth you will only stand side by side with existing others.
That's the difference between Russell and Kumuyi.

Different is just in your imagination.

It's now motive

You know how many times you've changed mouth on this subject matter?

Russell and his group found out that Christianity has disappeared from the earth {Luke 18:8} that's why Jesus assisted them in their research! Matthew 18:20

Christianity has disappeared from the earth, yet Russell copied some doctrines of SDA

Truth can never be found in you.

Christianity disappeared but the name "Jehovah" gave you people was formulated by the time Russell is no where to be found.

Kumuyi on the other hand did his own alone because his motive is to set up his own business that's why he ended up being side by side with existing others that he left!

Were you there to have known?

The sure point now is that Russell and Kumuyi aren't both Christians

Russell was part of the group heading that church back then so for him to raise that topic the whole church supposed to pray over it for the way forward

Is it Jesus that sent him or not?

Also, can you provide where Russell raised any topic?

if they did Jesus who is the truth will come into their midst to guide them as he promised {Matthew 18:20}

But Jesus was not with them all the while but it's was only the time when Russell raised a topic and if they had prayed then Jesus will guide them

but they just dismissed it saying it's tantamount to idolatry instead of praying fervently over the matter.

But the same Russell still died as idolater so how can that single point should be an issue?

That's not how God does things, it's among the Israelites that God always raise one person to correct them anytime they're going astray God will never send someone from another religion to come and correct His worshipers.

But you agree Russell raised a topic, and if they had agreed with him Jesus would have come into their midst

The way you switch mouth eee

That's why it was difficult for Israelites back then to accept correction from prophets in their midst since those prophets are born and bread right in their midst so they find it really difficult to accept correction from such prophets. Elijah was a Samaritan and he was complaining bitterly about the Samaritans and their practicing in worship.
So that's how God always do when it comes to correction!

Storyteller!

Will Jesus abandon them?

After all Jesus corrected early churches.

yemex04:
The bolded.
This assertion is just in your imagination.. but let me pretend as if I haven't sent this before.. see the attached & clear your confusion

It's not, present what he submitted to INEC in 1999!

MaxInDHouse:
They claim they believe in Jesus and God

But I'm telling you that they don't believe in Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

You haven't proof me wrong on that.

They're many Jesus and Jesus Christ of Nazareth Himself said "many will come in His name"

So do you agree that their claim is about Jesus Christ of Nazareth or just their own JESUS?

so if you acknowledge sects many with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines claiming the same there's no reason condemning Muslims because you're only concerned with claims not what it really means to believe in Jesus!

There's a big difference from any CHRISTIANS claiming believe in Jesus Christ of Nazareth despite different understanding of the scripture and Muslims.

The centre message of Christianity are:

1. Jesus as Son of God (some gives further explanation)
2. Jesus death
3. Jesus resurrection
4. Salvation ONLY through Jesus Christ.

Tell me just one among this four that a Muslim accept and tell me one denomination who reject just one.

MaxInDHouse:
When people makes research about God He (God) promised to guide them to the truth by means of His Holy Spirit James 4:8; Isaiah 44:22

Which means it's not peculiar to only Russell. many people do research about God and God guides them with the Holy Spirit.

I love this.

But see the way he boycotted the rest of my post!

Was what you claimed that made Russell left SDA not uphold by another Christian at that time?

If Kumuyi believe those religions are doing God's will there's no reason them and starting another!

Will Jesus correct SDA or rather abandoned them even He released that not all their doctrines are wrong? This single question you're still dodging since.

If SDA not doing God's will but only err in one doctrine?

So why will Russell leave and why will Jesus didn't send someone to correct them rather than accepting someone from their midst that still copied their doctrines?

BenzEne1:
If all you said is true then Tinubu is sure to lose this case.

What I said is in public domain and I've been following the PEPT from day one till now.

Another issue is the case of $460k forfeiture.

At the moment though it's prejudicial given a verdict prior to the tribunal's.

Of course I know that but I don't need a human to tell me what I can see with my naked eyes, judges can be the rule!

Had it been CSU didn't provide any CTC, court won't admit it as can be said it's fake. The reason why court admitted those evidences is because it's coming directly from the a reliable source.

However Ms Ejikeme has admitted to falsifying her results. She can't be compared with Tinubu who's still fighting his case in court

I know and my point is, those who are holding Ejikeme down, why can't they hold Tinubu down?

How can Tinubu submitted NYSC certificate in 1999 but in 2022 submitting exception letter from the same NYSC.

Can one person obtained both certificate and EXCEPTION LETTER from NYSC at the same time?

How many of those condemning Ejikeme today have raised this issue about their so called president?

yemex04:
[/b]So why was the CSU not challenged by you people now? Don't you think that's the sensible thing to do?

I've said this previously but let me say it again.

A person named "Bola A Tinubu" actually attended CSU not doubt about that but the question is who is he/she?

1. CSU provided a transcript of the result of this person and it was "F" as sex and also admitted as CTC in the court.

2. CSU provided the same COPY of the certificate issued to the person named "Bola A Tinubu" which also was admitted as CTC in the court.

But cross checking reveal that the certificate submitted by your president is actually different from the one submitted by the school (CSU). E.g The date of graduation was different.

Also, Tinubu submitted NYSC certificate in 1999 but in 2022 he submitted exception letter from NYSC.

Is it possible to have certificate and EXCEPTION LETTER from NYSC at the same time.

I know you people can defend him to any length but shout down another person because you hate the person.

yemex04:
So CSU has diswoned the certificate submitted by Tinubu right?

CSU was not asked to challenge the result but subpoena to PROVIDE TINUBU CERTIFICATE which they did.

Who is that hard for you to comprehend?

But looking at what CSU provided and compare to what Tinubu submitted, one can see that it's a forged certificate.

And one thing I noticed is how you people dodge the NYSC part and just focus on this CSU only.

Let me ask again, why are you defending a man who submitted NYSC certificate in 1999 and in 2022 submitted exception letter for NYSC?

striker07:
You guys are incapable of making a logical reasoning,how about if the university has changed Thier logo

Now you have started assuming.

And the university will be so daft like you not to state it that many changes have occurred over the years with their issuance certificates.

Which they will provide old sample.

But as daft as you are, you forgot that CSU provided THE SAME COPY of what was issued to Tinubu.

have you observed all possible premises before arriving at a conclusion?

You don't have any premises to stand here.

You like defending fraud just because it's a person you like.

No wonder prof. Soludo referred to you guys as headless Mob.

I know the next thing you'll call me now is that I'm Igbo or even IPOB.

But my point here is very simple is you see evil condemn it irrespective of who committed it and don't find a way of sugar coating it.

If this happens to be Obi I know you'll throw away all these premises when in actual sense you don't even make a single sense.

yemex04:
If it's not from CSU then it must be from you... CSU has yet to discredit the result submitted by Tinubu.. what does that imply?

Many of you are just olodo...

Nobody is challenging CSU to proof the certificate wrong but getting the real person behind the certificate.

First, CSU transcript shows it was a Female (this transcript was also admitted in the court)

Then CSU subpoena and provided a certificate which totally different from the one Tinubu submitted.

If the CSU was challenged they can say something about the result but the only provided what they have about what was asked of them.

MaxInDHouse:
That's why he's different from Kumuyi!

Did God use Russell?

You claimed he was only doing research don't forget, anyways I don't expect you not to change mouth on this one

If God use a person for a change it's either you accept the change and continue walking with God or remain as an believer.

The question you're dodging since is, will Jesus have corrected SDA when some of their doctrines was still copied by Russell as He did to the seven churches or just abandoned them to without warning?

Kumuyi left his former church not because God used him to introduce anything he just want to start his own business that's why he can't say all those he met are wrong.

What did Russell introduce?

The very claimed you made has been uphold by many churches many years before even Russell was born. So what is the new things he introduced?

You can see, both Russell and Kumuyi must start their own churches for their personal business.

Charles Taze Russell received a message from God

1. Yet your first claim was that Russell was just doing research
2. And you claim he is not a prophet

There's no length you won't go just to defend the indefensible.

that's why all those that refused to follow him can't meet up with the performance of the group that listened to him!

Story!

Russell was not a Christian simple as short!

MaxInDHouse:
Of course they claim they believe in Jesus

They claimed! But you know they are are not yet you're on this thread saying another thing.

just like all others claiming they believe in Jesus with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines.

And you're among these OTHERS don't forget.

The only group that believe in Jesus must have the same attitude as Jesus who said:

"I am the way, the truth and the life no one comes to the father except through me" John 14:6

There can't be another group after OTHERS (plural)

So if you can't find any group saying the same thing but welcoming different religions all in the name of Jesus ọmọ you can't prove Muslims wrong because they also claim they believe in God and Jesus just like all those sects claiming Christians!

Muslims don't believe in Jesus Christ of Nazareth, you haven't proof that but just beating about the bush

BenzEne1:
Again you are not getting his point. He's not saying Tinubu is innocent.

Since, he's not saying Tinubu is innocent, then has he ever called out Tinubu?

That's left for the courts to decide.

No! You have brain to decide.

Ms Ejikeme is guilty though and she's admitted that, so stop drawing parallels between her case and Tinubu's.

I know she's guilty and she admitted it, has Tinubu ever admitted or his supporters?

Are we all supposed to be frauds because the president may be fraudulent?
And it's letter of exemption not exception.

This is the most dumbest question ever.

So you prefer your president to be fraud but if anyone does crime you can drag the person but leave your president alone.

Very wack reasoning.

Ikaeniyan0:
You don't seem to be an intelligent person, I won't be wasting my time on you

No wonder you couldn't answer my simple question

hakeemhakeem:
Did he belongs to the Senate others formal governors weren't there too

Yet you can't even give him the flower for being the only ex governor who never received such fraud money...

yemex04:
So CSU has diswoned the certificate submitted by Tinubu right?

You people are so funny.

I said the result Tinubu submitted to INEC is different from the one CSU provided on subpoena.

Which beg for question, where did Tinubu get the certificate submitted to INEC?

Janosky:
Oga, your Bible@ James 2:19 has resolved the matter but you don't seem to get it- Believe is different from Faith.
They do not put faith in his works of salvation.
James 2:19, did demons put faith in God?
No,is the answer.

You don't understand that James 2:19

Here it is "You say you have faith, for you believe that there is one God.[f] Good for you! Even the demons believe this, and they tremble in terror."

They believe mean they accept ALL TRUTH ABOUT GOD reason why they tremble in terror

[b]The difference is put faith , in the Christian sense.

No! They must accept everything about Jesus Christ.

Do they?

They are entitled to believe what they believe.
No be by force.

Just say they can cherish pick any aspect of Jesus they want like JWs and claimed they believe

Jesus Christ did not use gun to threaten anyone to follow him.

We know that but to believe is to accept everything about the person.

Janosky:
When will You understand that faith is different from believe?

Is James 2:19 in your Bible?

You don't need to tell me Mr

Muslims don't believe in Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

Proof my wrong.

MaxInDHouse:
Are you asking or answering?

Muslims don't believe in Jesus Christ of Nazareth

Proof me wrong

MaxInDHouse:
A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he sent his angel and presented it in signs through him to his slave John! Revelations 1:1

So God always use one person to reveal secrets! Hebrews 1:1-2

That's not the point!

So you agree now that God used Russell and Russell isn't doing research again

femisplash:
The question is, did CSU and NYSC say the certificates he presented were fake?

Smile....
That's why we have brain and eyes

make use of your brain na.

I do! That's why I know one certificate can't be different from another. If you actually graduate, check the certificate given to you and your mate if it has different date and different signatures.

Also, if you're making use of your brain then you should know that someone can't have NYSC certificate and EXCEPTION LETTER at the same time.

How can an internet robot sit down behind the keyboard and passing judgement based off some dogshit he is being fed by some celebrated nuisance.

The funny thing is that, this are documents that in public based on the current tribunal case and had been admitted by the court. So if it's dogshit as you claimed then your court is a wash for accepting those documents.

Let the institutions concerned declared his certificates fake as Jamb did before making a fool of yourself. Pls, i'm allergic to myopic reasoning.

CSU can't declare it fake because CSU actually awarded certificate to a "Bola A Tinubu" but the person claiming that name today is the fake person reason why he forged the one parading.

On NYSC what I'm expecting you to do is to first proof that he didn't submit exception letter but the same certificate he submitted in 1999. But if he actually submitted NYSC certificate in 1999 but later submitted exception letter from the same NYSC then check your brain for defending such broad day light forgery.

MaxInDHouse:
Do Muslims believe in Jesus?

They don't?

You can prove my wrong..

MaxInDHouse:
This is why you need to STUDY God's word not just reading it!

I've been doing before you think of joining Watchtower.

Russell is just a human like anyone else but if the true God wants to correct something that's how He always do

But this is not what happened in Revelation to the seven churches. Or it's not true God who did that?

for Russell to have written an outline saying Jesus is the lamb of God which is the sacrifice for mankind's sin is evidence that it's not just him but God's Holy Spirit speaking through him. Matthew 16:17

Many denominations already have these to say long before Russell was born or Russell is the first person to teach that Jesus is the sacrificial lamb?

Where are the SDA members today?
Jehovah's Witnesses are zealously preaching and industriously teaching from house to house and door to door {Matthew 10:11-13} just as Jesus Christ commanded! Matthew 28:18-20

Everywhere you can find JWs, one of their churches is in my area and my Palm oil seller is their member.

That's confirmation that what Russell found that day is really backed by God's Holy Spirit! Act 1:8

It's not back by God no one does the work of God without evidence of Calling and Direct contact with God.

Russell falls out with SDA and decided to start his own.

So, Russell can't be a Christian just as Kumuyi isn't a Christian according to you.

MaxInDHouse:
EMILO2STAY is one merging thousands of sects with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines together simply because they claim they believe in God and Jesus yet condemning the Muslims who also believe in God and Jesus!

No! Not him. You're the one who says "Those"

Are you not believing in Jesus Christ again?

MaxInDHouse:
If you want to prove that Muslims aren't getting things right then you can't merge over 41,000 different religions with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines then using them as one against another group claiming they believe in God and Jesus.

You're the one doing the merging not me.

You're the one who claimed Muslim believe in Jesus as other Christians do, not me!

Jehovah's Witnesses stands out of all those claiming they believe in God and Jesus so their doctrine could be scrutinized to find out if they're doing God's will but merging thousands of sects as one whereas they're not teaching the same thing against another is deceitful!

Whether they stand out or not

They are AMONG THOSE having the same believe about Jesus according to you