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MaxInDHouse:
He is preparing a soft landing for anyone who will take over leadership of his church when he's no more because while he set standards without being challenged now many who view him as deputy Jesus won't take it easy with his successor which may lead to trouble after his death.
So to create a peaceful atmosphere for anyone who will take over from him the man needs to abolish any rule that he used to make his church seems different from all the others!😟

Is that what Watchtower is doing as well with their recent new light?

Well, as Kumuyi never claimed ALL his guidelines are from God, Watchtower over the time mostly claimed divine inspiration for their own rules or predictions.

MaxInDHouse:
Funny Churchian!

Who is responsible for the life in humans?
So out of thousands on Nairaland many are saying good things because one man's comments moves them to think deeply about faith in God therefore the man whose speeches intrigues them is the one getting the glory not the God he serves!

@underlined - the answer is capital YES! The scripture you cited said they will give glory to the Father in heaven.

Where have they done that in their post?

MaxInDHouse:
Surely it's worth recording:

"Let your light shine before men, so that they may see your fine works and give glory to your Father who is in the heavens" Matthew 5:16

It's a crown of righteousness no servant of God will reject!

Who among the people you've quoted their comments FULFILLED @color-part OR that part doesn't concern you in that verse?

Well they are not given glory to the Father in heaven as you're the one collecting the glory

SarcasticWords:
Yes, done and dusted

Correct!

Next!

Jesus is equal to God!

SarcasticWords:
https://ainhypho.sirv.com/TROLL/PARROT.gif

I like that, you're short of words

SarcasticWords:
Jesus will be made subject to the Father. I believe you know the meaning of the word subject.

Yes! Do you read also that "...God will be ALL IN ALL"?

Can we stop putting words in Jesus mouth and simply accept what he told us. The Father is GREATER than him.

I quoted the scripture or you mean I'm the one who put Phil 2:6 in the Bible?

Don't add, don't subtract. Just take it as he has said it.

Where did I add or subtract?

SarcasticWords:
Very simple verses. Let us break it piece by piece so that it is crystal clear.

1. When Christ The Son has destroyed all dominion, authority power and death, he will hand over the kingdom to God The Father.

2. Everything has been put under Christ feet except God The father who put everything under Christ feet.

3. Christ will be made subject to God The Father who put everything under christ feet.

It's so funny how you people will argue on how people didn't understand scripture when in reality it's people like you who are doing the exact thing.

When you read that verse did you read it word for word? It evident you didn't.

Let me take you through it.

"When everything is subject to Christ, then the Son himself will also be subject to the one who subjected everything to him, so that God may be all in all. - 1 Corin 15:28

Look at that @color part critically, did you understand what happened when Christ is subjected to the Father?

"...God will be ALL IN ALL"

Do you see how the object change from the Father to just God?

This is to tell you that, Jesus who became The Son for a mission on earth is bringing that mission to an end and He will revert back to God He was before taken Human nature.

The bible is crystal clear. Jesus christ The Son and God The father are not and are never equal.

They are equal.

Phil 2:6

Jesus Christ is 💯 percent correct.

"The Father is GREATER than I"

Jesus will always correct! Yes The Father is greater than Jesus when He took on the form of human to redeem man back to God. That is why Jesus grew in knowledge despite the fact that Jesus is the VERY WISDOM OF GOD, feel hungry despite the fact that He is the very Creator of ALL THINGS.

Jesus was on earth to teach us the way of God.

How do you expect Jesus to it by raising Himself as God in front of everyone or using Himself as example?

MaxInDHouse:
You don't read people's comments you only want to argue.
Jehovah is a name not title like God or Lord. In ancient Israel the title Lord was used for people but the divine name Jehovah belongs only to one person so if Jesus was called Lord it's because he is the chosen or anointed King he is not Jehovah!

Lying liar!

In ancient Israel the Title God or Lord were used but always in lower case and most importantly these Title when used for Yahweh it's always used with the definite article THE or Capitalize.

Which means no true Israelite will ever use The Lord or God for another person.

You can proof me wrong.

FxMasterz:
Spot on!

Maxindhouse, over to you.

Or you should have rather asked him where was the word 'Bible' that he normally uses can be found in the God's word OR to expose his hypocrisy the more, you can ask him where does he find the word 'Theocracy' in the scripture?

Note: In other to whitewash THEOCRACY being used by Watchtower, he'll tell you, Jws don't preach it which is a lie and I've also seen where he tried to avoid using the word Bible by claiming that was the reason Watchtower chooses NEW WORLD and didn't call their version of the scripture BIBLE which is also a lie but Watchtower publications & awake are fill with the usage of BIBLE.

Janosky:
Hebrew lexicon 7069
Go &EDIT it inside KJV bible dictionary.
Or
Sorry for yourself.

Just as Watchtower keeps editing their version to conform with their doctrines

Back to the main issue, according to that AI screenshot, did the AI claim that Jesus is a CREATED BEING according to Col 1:15?

You can't escape this.

Janosky:
Genesis 49:3 -
3 “Reuben, you are my firstborn, my might, and the firstfruits of my strength, preeminent in dignity and preeminent in power"

Emusan, who is First born of Jacob as Jesus is firstborn of God?

Genesis 49:3 & Colossians 1:15 is very simple for Bible students but not easy for Liars.

Oga Emusan, continue deceiving yourself.

Mr continue to deceive yourself, you couldn't comprehend my post and the reason you couldn't address it properly.

Try again later!

Janosky:
Emusan, is your KJV dictionary giving the meaning of Hebrew lexicon 7069 Qoneh ( is "CREATE" @ Proverbs 8:22, Genesis 14:19, Psalms 139:13 screenshot ) was published by your fellow Trinitarians to suit Watchtower doctrine?

Emusan Stop deceiving yourself.

He has ran away from AI screenshot

Kai...so sorry for you.

Janosky:
Emusan , your own Bible Genesis 49:3

"Reuben, you are my first-born; My might and the beginning of my strength, Preeminent in dignity and preeminent in power"

Reuben , Jacob's first born is Preeminent.
Glaring evidence that Emusan does not know the meaning of Preeminence.

According to Emusans logic, Reuben preeminence over ALL children of Jacob makes Reuben their procreator.
Emusan Stop deceiving yourself.

Kai....this is so pathetic.

You keep reinforcing my point but in your small mind you thought you're given a strong support to your own point.

If this is the brain you're using to cross road, I'm very sorry for you.

Firstly, the term FIRSTBORN as used by Apostle Paul means Jesus is PREEMINENCE not that Jesus was the FIRST TO BE CREATED. This is the point you keep missing or deliberately ignoring which is also the point you brought forth concerning Reuben.

Secondly, looking at the meaning of PREEMINENCE is simply defined as: "Preeminence is the quality of being superior. It’s a type of high status or distinction for anything considered to be the best at something"

This supported Col 1:15 that Jesus is SUPERIOR ALL OVER CREATION not that Jesus was the FIRST CREATED BEING.

So, as you can see, the point of Col 1:15 is that Jesus is the FIRSTBORN(that is superior over creation) just as Reuben is the FIRSTBORN(higher in rank to other children despite the fact that Reuben isn't the FIRST BORN CHILD).

IT'S EVIDENT HERE NOW THAT Col 1:15 isn't about Jesus being the FIRST CREATED BEING.

You provided a solid point against yourself yet you thought your point supported your position as the valid one. That's very laughable.

Lastly, here is the whole summary:

Col 1:15 didn't place Jesus as the FIRST CREATED BEING it's wrong interpretation like that of Watchtower that made it so. Col 1:15 is very simple to understand without even Dictionary Jesus is PREEMINENCE OVER ALL CREATIONS which means Jesus is not part of creation as He is the very Creator strongly supported by Col 17-18.

Do you understand now?

Lorechino:
Since this year alone ,I can vividly count how many celebrities that have had such horrible experience, reason is not that this Pop's are not strong, but after buying or renting the house many of them goes to add more decorations to it (modifying the existing POP, ADDING HEAVY LIGHTS , Changelings abi wetin , etc. Cos I have seen many people around me with this POP in their personal houses without issue for decades. (If u wan buy house go for structure test)

Structural test on POP

Are you sure you understand what Structural test means?

Why your point about adding more loads on the POP is sound. The buck blame to be placed appropriately which is on the person who installed the POP.

Why?

Every designer always uses higher factor of safety in case of something like this and this should be communicated to the user on what/how to use it.

Imagine if higher factor of safety aren't factor in for a car design for 5 passengers but the same car are used to carry 7-8 passengers in Nigeria.

madridguy:
The FG should declare state of emergency in Kwara State since the governor can no longer protect the state from bandits.

Always pretending as if they care about people when they are the major enabler and praise singer of the same government.

MaxInDHouse:
Apart from Supreme Being the title "GOD" could be defined in many ways.

Who defined it in MANY WAYS?

In the Bible Jesus is not the first person to be conferred with that title but when readers has been indoctrinated they will look away from reasonableness.

So you agreed the Title conferred on Jesus Christ is "GOD". Very interesting.

But you who doesn't look away from reasonableness believe Jesus is THE ONLY BEING DIRECTLY CREATED by God and God used him to CREATE ALL OTHER THINGS.

So, how can such a being have EQUAL among ALL OTHER THINGS he was used to create?

All what trinitarians keep pointing to is the Bible book of John chapter 1:1 which reads:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.

Which Trinitarians ever tell you that John 1:1 read "...and the word was a god"?

Also, the fact that you can only pick John 1:1 to claim that is the only verse Trinitarians always use to proof Jesus is God is a blatant lies.

Jesus Himself said "He had Glory with the Father before the World(creation ever happened)"

If Jesus was there before creation (time) happened, it means Jesus exists in eternity and the only being who lives in eternity is God.

Did Moses and the rest of your so called a God ever claimed to live before creation?

Not only this, Jesus demanded the same Honor given to the Father. John 5:23

According to Watchtower one of the ways you honor Jehovah is by worshipping Him.

You claimed you're the only one who obey the commandments of Jesus, why do you reject this command from Jesus?

Lastly, Apostle Paul recorded that ALL BELIEVERS together with those in Corinth pray to Jesus by CALLING ON JESUS' NAME.

"to the congregation of God that is in Corinth, to you who have been sanctified in union with Christ Jesus, called to be holy ones, together with all those everywhere who are calling on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours: - 1 Corin 1:2 NWT

How many of your so called a God people are praying to?

Not to even talk about being call Alpha and Omega, The first and the Last, The beginning and The ending, The Living one, Eternal Life e.t.c

DeepSight:
This JimRohn has disciplined and disgraced you.

What did you mean by this?

Maximus692:
You haven't quote where the Bible said it's an angel that's speaking in those verses!

So you agree that it was actually Jehovah who visited Abraham yet believe that no one has seen God

When your confusion is confusing

Janosky:

Is king James Bible Dictionary written by the Watchtower?


Your claim Off point . Off key.
WAILING & moaning
Oga, Stop deceiving yourself.

What an incoherent thing.

What correlation does my post has with KJV rubbish you posted?

Janosky:
Did Emusan A.I screenshot proved that "Jesus Christ is the first born of every creature in THE SENSE OF BEING THE FIRST TO BE BORN OR CREATED"?
Yes ooooo.
Screenshot evidence.

This lying liar said "AI PROVED"

O ma se oooo

This is seriously ridiculous.

You're still twisting something very obvious like this.

The AI explained the phrase "The firstborn of every creature"

Then concluded that phrase is accurate for Jesus being preeminence OVER ALL CREATIONS which means Jesus is the Creator.

Kai your case is so so pathetic.

Is Every FIrst born in the Universe SUPREME & preeminent over ALL his siblings?
Yes ooooo.
Jesus Christ the first born of God's children is no exception.
Oga, use the brain God gave you.
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You don't even know the meaning of preeminence, if not you won't be this ridiculous.

Julia25:
why should such simple things stomp seemingly educated persons ? May God have mercy, this delusion is strong

The evidence is so glaring.

When he started that madness I thought he was just been sarcastic.

But as he kept on hammering on it of recent again, I've to step in to expose his delusions.

I don't know how someone will read a plain text like that and decided to twist it to his own favor.

That shows you their attitude towards God's word. Everything must be read in accordance to Watchtower doctrine.

Janosky:
"God is Supreme over Christ Jesus.
1 Corinthians 11:3.

He has started changing tune when his lying mouth gets exposed.

According to that screenshot you've been parading since.

Did AI said Jesus was created or Jesus was supreme over all creations?

Your Bible teaching or your delusion.
Oga, you made your choice.[/b]

No we are discussing the AI screenshot.

The AI explained that Col 1:15 proved that Jesus is SUPREME OVER ALL CREATIONS not that Jesus was a created being.

True or false?

The lying liar JaNosense.

I've reattached the screenshot again

Janosky:
Hebrew 1:1-2 & Proverbs 8:22-30 is not palatable to unbelievers.
Emusan refused to quote Proverbs 8:30.
What is Wisdom saying & doing in Emusans Bible @ Proverbs 8:30 ?
Oga,your lies can't stand thorough scrutiny.

I refuse to quote prov 8:30

So what have I been discussing with you since?

Prov 8:30 Yahweh puts His own WISDOM into play during creation.

How is that hard to understand for you?

Emusan, what is Wisdom saying & doing in your Bible @ Proverbs 8:27-30?
What is Jesus Christ doing in your Bible @ Hebrews 1:2?

Wisdom says it's beside Yahweh during creation as Yahweh is the one carrying out the creation activities.

It's your own wisdom not always besides you even when you're saying rubbish things?

Wisdom is PERSONIFIED not a PERSON.

You still failed to tell me how Prov 8 claimed Yahweh did everything ALL BY HIMSELF and how Yahweh according to WISDOM Itself but you late claimed God is lying as He used Jesus to create ALL (OTHER) THINGS

Emusan ,why is Wisdom speaking in spite of your claim that Wisdom is not a being?

Wisdom has been speaking before Chapter 8, and if you study Bible by yourself without Watchtower brainwashing, you'll discovered Wisdom speaking was God because It ascribes to Itself those attributes that solely belong to God Almighty.

From the same Chapter 8 "Common sense and success belong to me. Insight and strength are mine. Because of me, kings reign, and rulers make just decrees. Rulers lead with my help, and nobles make righteous judgments."

So, clinging on to only Prov 8:30 shows you just cherry that part to suit your lying doctrine.

Emusan post :
" Jesus is the creator .
"Yahweh is the one One carrying out all the creation activities and not another being."
Emusan, does Wisdom your "Eternal Wisdom of God speak?

Maybe your brain escape this PERSONIFIED means what is given person attributes to something non-living things. So, if Wisdom is a person, why was it PERSONIFIED IN PROV 8?

At least you can't change your mouth again that wisdom wasn't PERSONIFIED.

Emusan no dey study him Bible .
Oga, go on deceiving yourself.



Emusan and lies...

The evidence of the person who doesn't study his Bible is glaring here.

Janosky:
Oga, study your Bible & stop deceiving yourself.
@Proverbs 8:22 ,30. Qanah (Strong's 7069).
Yahweh created me (Wisdom/the Craftsman).
What is "the craftsman" @ Proverbs 8:30 doing in your Bible ?

What is the Hebrew meaning of craftsman in your Bible ?
Who is the craftsman/Wisdom @ Proverbs 8:22-30?

@ Genesis 14:19, Qanah (Strong's 7069), Yahweh created ...

Psalms 139:13 ,"Qanah" (Strong's 7069), Yahweh created.
Screenshot evidences.
Someone does not want to believe the holy Bible .
Oga, continue deceiving yourself.

It's just so funny how you cherry pick any part that suits your doctrine why neglect the most important that support the context.

From your own screenshot, the word "possessed me" also means "To OWN" which means Wisdom wasn't what God doesn't have and have to create but already possessed it but brought out for use when it's needed.

Well, that's how damaged it can be when you based your interpretation on faulty premise of a man made doctrine that needs to distort other part but cherry pick other.

It's just intellectual disorder to think God CREATED HIS OWN WISDOM.

JaNosense for a reason

Janosky:
Every student of the holy Bible knows that wisdom is a being personified, the pronoun "I" ,"me" is in Proverbs 8:22-30.
That you don't know ,thats your matter to resolve.

Everyone knows that wisdom is PERSONIFIED but you decided to insert another thing into it.

The wisdom is the ETERNAL WISDOM of Yahweh at Creation, reason why it was described that Yahweh is the one carrying out the creation activities and not another being.

You see where your problem started, that is why you have to stop quoting the same Prov 8 further below, that's fraudulent

Is Jesus called Wisdom @ 1 Cor :24?
Yes.
Is Wisdom a being @ Proverbs 8:22-30 called "me" or "I" in that verse?
Yes.
If you don't get it forget about it.

Good which means without Jesus Jehovah doesn't have wisdom.

Doesn't that mean Jesus is superior to your God?

You don't study your Bible .
"Yahweh created me as the beginning of His way..
When Yahweh had not made the earth.....
When Yahweh had not set up the heavens, I was there....."
Oga, pls delete Proverbs 8:22-30 & Hebrew 1:1-2 from your Bible & stick to your opinion

See cherry picking

Let's continue with the same Prov 8

"27 I was there when he established the heavens, when he drew the horizon on the oceans. 28 I was there when he set the clouds above, when he established springs deep in the earth. 29 I was there when he set the limits of the seas"

As you can see the wisdom is saying God HIMSELF is the one carrying out the creation activities which is also confirmed by Isaiah.

What is your next lying mouth will spine the dice now?

Oga, delete Proverbs 8:22, John 5:26 & John 17:7 from your Bible nau.

When it's evident that you're the one deleting the parts that don't sit well in Watchtower doctrine.

Jesus is the Creator John 1:1-3, Col 1:16-18

You don't even know that how it sounds that 1 Cor 1:24 & Proven 8:22 is in your Bible.

We don't deny any verse in God's word unlike you that Watchtower has configured to cherry any part that suits their doctrines and discard the rest of the scripture.

Which means You don't even know that John 17;7 , John 5:26 & Proven 8:22 is in your Bible.
Continue deceiving yourself.

If don't know I won't be quoting from them.

But it's evident that you're the one who cherry pick any part that suits you.

If you have the mind of your own, answer my question.

You don't even know that Proverbs 8:22 ,Genesis 2:7 & John 5:26 & Ephesians 3:14-15 is in your Bible.

See this ridiculous statement.

I know as usual you must bring irrelevant post to derail from the main point.

How does this explain Wisdom in Prov 8 not involved in the creation activities who you claimed it was Jesus personified and yet ALL THINGS were created through Jesus?

This is the point you need to refute not by throwing irrelevant stuff

Ephesians 3:14-15 & John 17:11,12,To whom did Jesus owe his name? [/b]

Diversion tactics.

Nobody asked you all these.

Focus on Prov 8.

Janosky:

Points *1A , *1B & *1C ,
To whom A.I is given , comprehension skill is expected.

Someone wants to condition his A.I post to suit his narrative conflicting with his A.I post.

Emperor Constantine toh bad gaan!

I thought you're just being funny with this but it's evident you're living in your own lying World.

If you don't lack comprehension, then tell me this part isn't from the screenshot.

"This verse emphasized Jesus Divinity, preeminence, and role as the Creator and sustainer of the universe..."

It's evident you ignored the other parts of that screenshot and decided to feed on the part that suits you.

Janosky:
Jesus Christ the first born is supreme over creation (for example Adam,man).
God His Father is Supreme over Jesus.
1 Corinthians 11;3.

Good!

So you read this from the AI post but you decided to stick to the second meaning.

We're going somewhere then.

Chai !!!
Oga, STOP LYING against A.I.


1 Corinthians 11:3, Your Bible says God his Father is SUPREME OVER Jesus.
Jesus is supreme over creation (man).

Can you imagine this broad day lie.

Me lying against AI ke

So which means the AI is correct that Jesus is SUPREME OVER ALL CREATIONS as the correct explanation of that Col 1:15 not that Jesus was a created being.

So why are you emphasizing so much on the second part?

I've attached the same screenshot you're to show you that the AI proves that Jesus is SUPREME OVER ALL CREATIONS is the accurate explanation of Col 1:15 as seen from the concluded part against the lie you've been propagating since.

MaxInDHouse:
Where is the OP?

You don't know his house or office?

MaxInDHouse:
Obviously all those claiming Christians in this section agreed with the OP except me but i'm still expecting his response!

If you can deny God's word what else you won't deny?

You can spin and twist it anyhow you want but history can't be changed by your mere word

Don't also forget that some people also break away from Watchtower society and founded their own group too

Janosky:
Emusan ,is this view expressed in your screenshot evidence?

Yes! It's an evidence.

Can you then answer my question?

Is Emusan sarcastic to post this A.I screenshot?

No! I'm very serious about it and the reason I posted it.

Can you then answer my question?

"Jesus is the first born of every creature.
Jesus is the firstborn in the sense of being the first to be BORN OR CREATED."

Before this statement in what everyone can see which I believe you did unless you what to claim you're blind to it.

According to the AI it said "The phrase 'the first born of every creature' has TWO MEANINGS"

- Jesus is the FIRSTBORN in the sense of preeminence or priority. He is supreme over all creations.

-Jesus is the first born of every creature.
Jesus is the firstborn in the sense of being the first to be BORN OR CREATED.

And the AI concluded that this first MEANING is the accurate one as Jesus is SUPREME OVER ALL CREATIONS.

Posting glaring screenshot that never supported your position for over a year now without answer the question you've been asked several times, shows you're just catching fun with yourself not serious about the content of the screenshot because that screenshot is self explanatory.

Internet never forgets.

Very well but the question still remains, did the AI supported that Jesus was CREATED or not.

Taking that part from explanation is like taking a part of Watchtower article that is explaining about Trinity or Hell fire as a fact.

Should I show you examples from Watchtower?

That is called selective reading taking out of context.

Well, I know this won't still address your state of mind.