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Anyways, since you're using AI, I love that but with all honesty, can you copy any version of the Holy Scripture of Colossians 1:16-18 into your AI and ask it for explanation of it?

achorladey:
There is no 1900 old faithful and discreet slave

Jehovah and Jesus did not need the no 1900 faithful and discreet slave to prepare the Bible. What is the one reason Jehovah needs them now?

The most astonish part is that the "Faithful and Discreet Slave" is in SINGULAR form not in plural.

The Watchtower knows this as can be seen from their various publications that that illustration of Jesus was about just single SLAVE not SLAVES.

The question to JWs is:

If scripture talks about single SLAVE, how come Watchtower is interpreting it as MULTIPLE SLAVES despite acknowledged that it's just a single SLAVE?

binary123:
I don't know how an airplane ✈️ fly despite such heavy weights.

Simply the principle of "LIFT" which is as result of difference in Air pressure on the wings that generated LIFT through Airfoil.

chimex38:
Hmmm..quite plausible.

So what i picked is that the First and the Last used in Isaiah and Revelation are context based and not literally same meaning. Cuz I know revelation talks more about spirits, the dead, judgement and the likes.

Ok. Thank you.

You didn't see how he purposely ignored the @red-color part because he has to twist the scripture to suit his own agenda.

Only those who don't know the scripture can be swept under a false doctrine.

Can you imagine him saying "So Jesus is here talking about a spirit son of God who once lived for uncountable years in the spirit realms but once died and was raised back to live forever."

Jesus being The FIRST and The Last as Yahweh claimed in Isaiah proved that Jesus is God Almighty but they must twist the scripture because they are never a friend of God's Word.

Else where in Revelation Jesus also called Himself "The Alpha and The Omega" something no CREATURE can ever claim.

If you even do a little online check, you won't be surprised that Watchtower the body that is in charge of doctrine of Jws never gives that verse such explanation the way he's trying to explain that verse. Which makes it obvious that he's contracting the so called body he believes Jesus his directing.

MaxInDHouse:
Argumentator i don't have your time today!

Whether you have time today or not, it won't change the fact that you once claimed on this forum that Charles T Russell isn't a JWs.

So whenever you have the time, tell this forum how a person who isn't a JWs can sit right beside Jesus in heaven.

Also, how Charles T Russell who worshipped Jesus, celebrated birthday, and did many things modern day Watchtower classified as IDOLATRY van be sitting right beside Jesus in heaven.

I re oo

MaxInDHouse:
Charles Taze Russell that's sitting right beside Jesus Christ in heaven.
Ọmọ learn the truth and stop deceiving yourself!

Ahah but you once claimed Charles is not a Jehovah Witness, so how come he can sitting right beside Jesus in heaven.

Also, Charles who worshipped Jesus, celebrated birthday, and did many things the modern Watchtower has classified as IDOLATRY is the one sitting right beside Jesus in heaven.

It means those you called idolaters today will surely sit beside Jesus in heaven as well.

Gabrielshow24:
Well said brother, this is a question that has "plagued" them all. From gohf that used months to avoid it to Janosky among others! They can't give a definition without contradicting their stance!

Also, don't hold him in high intellectual esteem!

That is very true.

Reason you see them randomly jumping from one scripture to another without establishing a point.

I remember when @gohf acknowledged that only God is Alpha and Omega when I then pointed his attention to Revelation where Jesus addressed Himself as Alpha and Omega. His story changed.

Boomark:
Bro I am tired of people telling what they think from their own minds. I use scriptures alone.

If you can't agree to what Jesus said in 2 different scriptures then you have no business saying anything about him.

Go to the question I asked and answered A or B. If you think he is not right, then chose B and state your reasons. Don't dodge the question and come behind to tell me what you think because you are afraid.

I can see, you can't openly declare your stand if Jesus is a FALSE GOD or not.

I answered your questions but you dodged mine.
We're saying the same thing.

Do you agree with Jesus on this or is this my own word?

"so that everyone will honor the Son, just as they honor the Father. Anyone who does not honor the Son is certainly not honoring the Father who sent him." - John 5:23

And my question still remains, what makes God to be God?

Boomark:
Indirectly you are saying that what Jesus said is useless because of the context you manufactured.

Anytime I read something like this, I'll just laugh because the same you who accused people of ignoring Jesus statement is also doing the same thing.

You don't even understand the few scriptures you posted and you are talking about reading the whole bible.

He doesn't understand it.

Then who understands those scriptures?

Show me the context that shows that what Jesus said is useless. Focus on the key points

1. The Father is the ONLY TRUE God. John 17:3

2. The Father IS HIS God. Rev 3:12

You think these are points that refute Jesus being God but I tell you, they are not at all.

Why?

No one will deny that Jesus was on earth to teach man about God.

So, Jesus on earth calling The Father ONLY TRUE GOD or said The Father is His God is a way of teaching us how to relate with God.

I'm very sure you won't be able to answer this simple question.

If The Father is the ONLY TRUE GOD and the scripture says Jesus is God, does that mean Jesus is a FALSE GOD?

Show us scriptures that nullify his words.

Many scriptures are but take this.

John 5:23 "so that everyone will honor the Son, just as they honor the Father. Anyone who does not honor the Son is certainly not honoring the Father who sent him."

Whatever you are showing should be able to tell us that the Father is NOT the only true God. That the Father is NOT his God. Any other thing outside this will be off point and off context.

What make God to be God?

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Lithiumite:
Who did not talk about it,you thought subsidy matter started in 3023.......subsidy has always been a hot issue for every president since gowon but became a full grown monster in the 2ks under obj then hydra under GEJ and was ready to kill us all not for Tinubu's meticulous policy to cut it at its root .....so what has obi said that others didn't say.

You didn't understand his point.

Only PO talks about our daily fuel consumption which he kept emphasized on before removing fuel subsidy completely.

That's why many who castigated PO that he also promised to remove subsidy never listen to him or just deliberately misinterpreted his point.

In fact, PO keeps using a country as example by asking how can Nigeria be consuming fuel more than them?

Here is how PO said he will solve the issue of fuel.

1. Get the accurate/minimal daily consumption by this, over bloating figures and excessive subsidy payment can be curbed.
2. Stealing of crude oil which has greatly reduced our daily output barrel per day (with the famous statement: Government are the ones stealing our oil).
3. If the two above can be put in place. Subsidy removal will be in phases as the money saved from over figure and increase in crude output will be channeled to support LOCAL/MODULAR refineries which in turn will create a diversify oil market rather than a monopoly market like what will have now.

So only PO came up with something like no other aspirants in 2023.

The most funny thing is, as Dangote refinery is up, no one talks about MODULAR REFINERIES any more which is indirectly giving ONLY DANGOTE the edge.

Image123:
Lord God Almighty, please deliver us from this populist liar. Amen.

The only thing you can accuse Obi of, is being a liar! But Tinubu you once called a thief is the one you're defending today.

Meanwhile, is Tinubu also not a liar?

Ken4Christ:
You said no scripture says that the law has been abolished.

Yes! Remember it's about OP.

I've even mentioned Eph 2:15 in my first post.

Read the evidence below:

Corinthians 3:13 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is ABOLISHED.

Ephesians 2:15 Having ABOLISHED in his flesh the enmity, even the LAW OF COMMANDMENTS contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace.

Another synonym used is disannuled:

Hebrews 7:18-19
18 For there is verily a DISANNULLING OF THE COMMANDMENT going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

19 For the LAW MADE NOTHING PERFECT, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God

The International Standard Version puts it this way:
Romans 7:18-19
18 Indeed, because it was weak and ineffective, the former COMMANDMENT HAS BEEN ANNULLED,

19 since the Law made nothing perfect, and a better hope is presented, by which we approach God.

Synonyms of the word annul are;

Cancel

Invalidate

Void

Nullify

Revoke

Rescind

Repeal

ABOLISH

Abrogate

Set aside

This didn't address my point.

Look at the content again and see that Apostle Paul didn't talk about transition from the law to Christ the same way you're doing.

Jesus Christ made it cleared that He didn't come to "ABOLISH THE LAW but to FULFILL" this shows, there's no 1 reason not to talk of 20 reason as your Title implies.

The chosen of the Nation of Israel, the given of the Laws, the historical events & gentile separation are basically designed in such way to find their reality being revealed in Jesus Christ.

It's not that God gave the laws and later found 20 reason to ABOLISH those laws.

Very simple!

MaxInDHouse:
Please mention the name of your church where Sabbath is still practiced let's learn one or two things from them!

Can you imagine

But you're the one who claimed Sabbath is still in practice today.

MaxInDHouse:
The simple explanation is that Jehovah's Witnesses (true Christians) aren't under the Old Laws given to the Israelites rather what binds us together now is the law of Christ!
Yet if we read anything in Jesus' statement that's not clearly understood we go back to the laws in order to know the principle behind the law.
For instance God's law says:

“Remember the Sabbath day to keep it sacred.  You are to labor and do all your work for six days, but the seventh day is a sabbath to Jehovah your God. You must not do any work, neither you nor your son nor your daughter nor your slave man nor your slave girl nor your domestic animal nor your foreign resident who is inside your settlements.  For in six days Jehovah made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and he began to rest on the seventh day. That is why Jehovah blessed the Sabbath day and made it sacred. Exodus 20:8-11

The law said God began resting which we found written in Genesis 2:2 but Jesus said:

“My Father has kept working until now, and I keep working.” John 5:17

Someone who is not studious could just conclude that Jesus is a confusionist but what about Jehovah's Witnesses?

Well we go back to God's perfect law to gain insight:

The law of Jehovah is perfect, restoring strength. The reminder of Jehovah is trustworthy, making the inexperienced one wise. Psalms 19:7

And what did we find?

God Himself explained the principles behind the Sabbath:

“Six days you are to do your work; but on the seventh day, you are to cease from your labor, in order that your bull and your donkey may rest and the son of your slave girl and the foreign resident may refresh themselves." Exodus 23:12

With the help of God's Holy Spirit we are able to figure out the sacred secret {John 14:26-27; 16:12-13} it's to make the rich men give their labourers time to rest and spend time with their families and for the animals too to rest not that God needs rest or that our staying at home brought Him food!

Always shouting with the Help of God's Holy Spirit when in reality there's no connection between him and God's Holy Spirit.

Meanwhile, Sabbath isn't to make the rich men give their labourers time to rest and spend time with their families rather "Israel’s Sabbath observance, was modeled after God’s own Sabbath, was intended to point to a greater spiritual rest. Just as God had rested from his work of creation and entered into an eternal Sabbath, a day which continues for all eternity, believers are to rest from trying to merit their righteousness through observing the Law and trust in Christ’s perfect righteousness. Once a believer truly trusts in the Lord Jesus he enters into God’s own Sabbath whereby he no longer has to merit his justification since he has been given the promise of eternal life"

The book Heb chapter 4 enlightened us more on this, you can read the whole chapter but get this part first:

"So there remains a sabbath-rest for the people of God.  For the man who has entered into God’s rest has also rested from his own works, just as God did from his own. Let us therefore do our utmost to enter into that rest, so that no one may fall into the same pattern of disobedience." Heb 4:9-11 - NWT

Ken4Christ:
What about the several scriptures that affirms the law has been abolished?

No scripture explicitly says The Law has been ABOLISHED.

Or didn't you read them in my previous post?

The scripture you cited are your own interpretation.

Besides, I have explained what Jesus meant in Matthew 5:17.

What Jesus meant is a straight message, you're the one who doesn't understand that.

The whole Hebrew Scripture were deliberately designed that way to find their fulfillment in Jesus Christ.

He fulfilled the law which was a justified abolition.

This is where you're still getting it wrong.
Even though, you rightly said Jesus FULFILLED the Law (which I know you're referring Matt 5:17) but The Law was not ABOLISHED rather find their fulfillment in Jesus Christ. Which means

Read my explanation again at the beginning of this thread.

I did

May the Lord grant you understanding.

And you too.

Ken4Christ:
The Old Testament Covenant is referred to as the ministry of death and condemnation. It is a yoke of bondage. It killed the Jews in their thousands. It doesn't show mercy.

No! It wasn't the covenant that killed them in their thousands but their unbelieve.

Jesus delivered the Jews from it before the entire nation will be completely wiped out.

The entire Nation could be wiped out and still won't be anything.

The reason for that Nation couldn't be wiped out is simply because The Messiah must come from it. So Jesus didn't deliver THEM from being wiped out rather God used the Nation to bring Salvation to the whole World.

He abolished it and ushered in grace that included both the Jews and the Gentiles.

Jesus Himself said, He didn't ABOLISH anything but here you are saying Jesus did.

Who should we believe, you or Jesus?

May the Lord give you understanding.

Amen! And you too.

Let me use this to address the OP as well.

ichuka:
Nice one, the law is Holy and Righteous and Good.

The law is Holy, Righteous & Good means the END POINT of it. That is, what God wants to actually achieve with the Law is Holiness, Righteousness & Goodness.

and it was fullfil by Jesus Christ not abolished

This is for @Ken4christ too.

The term "ABOLISH" might not fully capture the understanding of the subject matter as it was used to means the Law (the Hebrew books) were given at some point and totally rendered useless at another point.

Just as you rightly put it (as stated by Jesus Christ Himself). Jesus Christ FULFILLED the Law and not ABOLISH.

This is what Apostle Paul also explained in Eph 2:15 even though the word "ABOLISH" was used.

Here is the summary of it:
What the Lord Jesus was basically telling the people is that the Hebrew Bible was specifically revealed in such a way so as to find its true meaning and completion in the Messiah’s work and interpretation of it.

The Hebrew Scriptures were deliberately designed by God to foreshadow Christ and his Church. The OT Scriptures contained shadows, types, analogies, and copies of spiritual realities that awaited the coming of Christ.

OT peoples, places, events and things were deliberately designed to be copies of a far greater spiritual reality, with Christ manifesting that reality through his fulfillment of it. The NT Scriptures are basically the record of how Christ unveiled the spiritual reality underlying the OT revelation.

The OT is like that of Architectural blueprint that an Engineer needs during construction. When the building actually comes to reality, the architectural blueprint doesn't get abandoned and destroyed but keep in place for further verification and documentations.

You can read more from this LINK which you can read further.

MaxInDHouse:
There is no need arguing with you!

And the question remains, saying JWs are cults is that an insult?

MaxInDHouse:
You're always running off point!

This is what the young man typed with his own hands:

My point: Is he obeying his own rules?

Calling JWs 'CULT' might not be an insult to him but a fact, it's left for you to ask him.

But for you to point that out and see it as INSULT shows it hits you badly even though you always pretend to be proud of it since Jesus was called same.

So my point still stands.

MaxInDHouse:
Did you call Jehovah's Witnesses CULT?

So it pains you whenever JWs are being called CULT but I thought you always happy with it as Jesus was also called

Janosky:
Nobody worshipped Peter or Jesus.

If nobody worshipped Peter, why did Peter act this way by saying: 'But Peter lifted him up, saying: “Rise; I too am just a man.” - NWT

Are people not taking honor or obeisance from people?

FreeIgboho:
The basic assumption of this thread is that the Bible is approximately accurate except for minor inconsistencies on inconsequential things

Yeah, I agreed with you that Bible is accurate.

My point is, Being God isn't what happened with Jesus but the scripture revealed that Jesus is Almighty God.

FreeIgboho:
Personally, if ALL that happened with Jesus happens with ANY person I'd accept that the person is God.

Point of correction: Isn't what HAPPENED with Jesus but How the scripture REVEALED who He was.

Janosky:
Address my question:
"which human being that God created after Eve?"

God has created billions of human beings after Eve.

Or is it Devil that created you?

Go to your Bible account of creation
Then,You have found your answer.

You didn't know this before jumping into my mention.

Did you see the term "Bible" from Genesis to Revelation?
Use your brain nau.

Meaning
Do you use your brain too?

Janosky:
As far as English language is concerned,Max is right.

Good. I love this!

As far as Greek language is concerned, the God is different from a god.

Which means Max is wrong.

Beautiful

Janosky:
Oga, which human being that God created after Eve?

Use your brain nau.

You didn't address my post!

Janosky:
In English, A President or president .
Also God or A God can have same meaning.
But in Greek language, definitely not.

Greek lexicon 2316 Theos is written in 2 different ways in your own Bible.
Examples in your Bible:
Acts 12:22-23. John 10:34-36. 1 Corinthians 8:4-6.
2 Corinthians 4:4

You didn't answer this: Which means Max is wrong for saying there's no different between God and a God, right?

STOP DECEIVING yourself.

We've not gotten to this level.

Don't let your blood boil for now.

Janosky:
The first born can be fourty years older than his other siblings,he is still the first born older than them.

Then the first born can't be said to have been BEFORE THE MAN BEGINS to have children.

It's common sense.

Jesus Christ is the first born of every creature.

The term FIRSTBORN is about SUPREMACY.

Should we ask KJV, NIV?

Eve is the last born of every creature, thereafter God rested.

Provide the scripture to back it up and where the TERM LAST BORN was used for Eve.

You either get it or forget about it.

We stick with scripture interpretation not your own interpretation.

MaxInDHouse:
He is the first creature that's why Bible called him the "firstborn of all creation" {Colossians 1:15}

No firstborn that's not part of those being born!

Look at the @color-red, how can He be the FIRST CREATURE and still be BEFORE CREATION?

God who is not a liar and can never lie told us the very first thing He created. Gen 1:1 "In the beginning (the start of creation), God created the heavens and the Earth"

The term FIRSTBORN is about SUPREMACY reason why He was BEFORE CREATION and not PART OF CREATION.

MaxInDHouse:
The first angel (archangel) existed before other things

Which means He exists BEFORE CREATION STARTED.

Only God exists BEFORE CREATION STARTED.

Point one fixed.

and he was with God during the creation of other things {Proverbs 8:22-31; John 1:2; Colossians 1:15-16}

I love this! Which means His is OUTSIDE CREATION.

Only God is OUTSIDE CREATION.

Correction!!! The word "OTHER" was never found in any known manuscripts in possession today. All scripture cited says "He is the Creator of ALL THINGS"

Meanwhile, Moses was not WITH GOD, so your claim to make Jesus and Moses to be equal is ante-scripture

so just as God used Adam to start populating planet earth He did the same thing with the archangel (first angel) that is why both of them were called God's Son! Luke 3:38; John 3:16; 1Corinthans 15:45

God CREATED(not used) Adam (MAN) to start populating MAN not anything else. Yahweh is not a limitless God that He can't Create ALL THINGS ALL BY HIMSELF and the truth from the scripture is that Yahweh Created ALL THINGS ALL BY HIMSELF.

"Thus says Yahweh, your Redeemer, and the one who formed you from the womb, “I, Yahweh, am the maker of all things, Stretching out the heavens by Myself And spreading out the earth all alone" Isa 44:24

You can proof me wrong by providing the scripture where Yahweh use Archangel to create anything.