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MaxInDHouse:
Chai!
Is this how you swallow people's words hook line and sinker WITHOUT PROOF?
And i thought you can win all cases with this your reputation as the Current Argument Winner o!

If you're being truthful to yourself answer this question.

What was the title of the first two topics your created with your deleted moniker Maxmus69 on Nairaland?

You created just four topics with that moniker and the posts on it were over 10,000 to tell you I know what I'm saying.

Janosky:
Did you see exclamation sign (!) in your quote?
That's a proof your claim is FALSE.

Liar like your father the devil.

Thomas called Jesus My Lord and My God


I know if possible for your demonic organization they'd have removed that in their fraud translation.

Why did you stop @ verse 29?
LIENUS Bishop, did John chapter 20 end at verse 29?

John 20 Verses 30-31, believe that Jesus is who?
You will gain what?

Believe that Jesus is the Son of God you'll have eternal life.

So we can see that it's not by belonging to a group or organization that will grant you eternal life but SIMPLY BELIEVE.

Secondly, not by believing that Jesus is Angel Michael too

The fraud master is getting pained left and right

Janosky:
Source:Quora
By :Arthur Paul Burton, Spiritual Minister.

you can read the “New World Translation” which is put out by the Watchtower here: https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/acts/20/

Here is their explanation for including the word “Son” when that exact word does not appear in the Greek.

“with the blood of his own Son: Lit., “through the blood of the own (one).” Grammatically, the Greek expression could be translated “with the blood of his own” or “with his own blood,” so the context has to be taken into consideration.
In Greek, the expression ho iʹdi·os (“his own”) could stand alone without a clarifying noun or pronoun, as seen by how it is rendered at Joh 1:11 (“his own home”); at Joh 13:1 (“his own”); at Ac 4:23 (“their own people”); and at Ac 24:23 (“his people”). In non-Biblical Greek papyri, the phrase is used as a term of endearment to refer to close relatives. A reader of this verse would logically understand from the context that a noun in the singular number is implied after the expression “his own” and that the noun referred to God’s only-begotten Son, Jesus Christ, whose blood was shed. Based on this, quite a number of scholars and translators acknowledge that the word “son” is to be understood here and render the phrase “with the blood of his own Son.”

As you can see, the Watchtower is not the only one to translate it that way.

It is their view and some other translators views, that there is a family relation implied in the Greek.

However, let’s say the The Watchtower understanding is correct, that the Greek for “his own” implies a close relation, even a family relation.

In their notes they acknowledge that it literally doesn’t say “son” but “His own (one).”

I respect that honesty! [/i]They say- here is what it literally says, and here is what we think the literal meaning is pointing towards.[/b]

[i]Then from my POV including son, is not 100% accurate… but leaving it just as “his own” isn’t either.

I would say, “His own kin.”

Can you hear the hypocrite quoting up and down just to defend the fraud NWT but when KJV inserted "God" in 1 Tim 3 the same JaNosense will call it fraud insertion simply because the word "God" wasn't appeared in the Greek manuscript.

Anyways, everyone knows NWT is a fraud translation that's why you people are so confused in many doctrines.

Janosky:
Afterall your rants upandan since 19gbidigbidi, you have no ZERO proof.

My proof is here on Nairaland on his previous deleted moniker @Maxmus69

He once promoted Ponzi scheme with that account you can take me to any court you want

Janosky:
Rants of a sifia pained LIENUS

I know you can't help your Ponzi scheme brother here and the thing really put sand for una garri

Janosky:
Matthew 19:4-5 & Genesis 5:1-2
John 12:28
Father, glorify Your name!" Then a voice came from heaven: "I have glorified it, and I will glorify it again"

Matthew 3:17
And a voice from heaven said, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased!"


Mark 1:11
And a voice came from heaven: "You are My beloved Son; in You I am well pleased."

Sifia pained pagan polytheist

So Father speaking from heaven is what Jesus meant when he said "Whatever the Son SEES the Father doing, the Son can do also"

So Jesus while on earth can also speak from heaven like the Father which then means Jesus is both God and man as the scripture affirmed

JaNosense can't bear this pain again.

You and your darling father the devil always loss whenever it comes to The kind of Glory, the Creator of the Universe and the Alpha and Omega issue

MaxInDHouse:
Have you gotten the proof for the allegation?
If Yes please present it so that we can chat but if not abeg go and sleep!

Mr Ponzi scheme promoter well-done

Who is chatting with you

I've told you I'm here to be exposing your lies.

People can see your hypocrisy, your demonic organization recorded more Covid19 casualty than anybody but yet you think that's the best line you can use in your fruitless arguments.

MaxInDHouse:
Instead of going to practice their religion the best way they know the only thing that comes to their brains is
"JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES"

If we didn't practice our Christianity being the true followers of Christ, will you have right to join that demonic organization and worship freely?

They thought we're like them that love arguing without a purpose!

Only if you have an iota of shame, you won't be repeating this line that openly exposed your lying mouth.

Your new account hasn't reached a year but you have made post more than people who opened their accounts 5years ago.

So who is arguing shamelessly?
Who doesn't have life outside Nairaland?
Who spent all his days fruitlessly on Nairaland?

Janosky:
I have responded to your post.
Abeg carry your school boy rants outta here.

You didn't, no wonder you're crying up and down on this thread

Let me rephrase the question, Jesus said "Whatever the Father does, the Son also does" So can you point out where the scripture recorded the Father doing ANYTHING from Genesis to Revelation?

MaxInDHouse:
No wonder many of una pastors are dying for the hand of Covid19?

Talking about hypocrisy, here you have it!

Who is the most casualty of the Covid19 pandemic between the whole world and JWs?

The information below is enough for your hypocrisy.

"In November 2020, an Announcement advised that 130,000 Jehovah's Witnesses had been infected with Covid-19 and over 5,000 had died.

Once again, infection and mortality rates amongst Jehovah's Witnesses continued to be higher than global averages. Using 2019 publisher figures, 1.5% of Jehovah's Witnesses had contracted the virus, of which 3.8% died. Global figures at the time were an infection rate of 0.6% and 2.5% death rate.

A confidential letter addressed To All Special Full-time Servants At Bethel And In The Field, dated August 6, 2021, advised that nearly 20,000 Jehovah's Witnesses have died. This means that 0.236% of Jehovah's Witnesses have died of Covid-19, over 4 times higher than the global rate in August 2021 of 0.051%."

Not to even talk about the world government that your demonic organization always wash down as being controlled by Satan is the same one your demonic organization turned to for Covid19 treatment.

Moving away from the basic into the real issue at hand which is circuit design.

Have you ever lay hold on a Printed Circuit Board (PCB) before?

I believe we've all come across a PCB but looking at a PCB and understand everything on it might seem like a mystery because only what you see on top as meaningless wires running from one end to another either parallel, diagonal or vertical with tiny holes and bunch of components.

To have your own PCB design like the one you've laid hands on before requires understanding of components parts and the real thing you have in mind to design.

You mean I said "understanding of components parts" when I initially said "you don't need to be a guru"

Don't be scared, understanding components parts is very easy as long as you can read and understand English.

In a nutshell, every PCB out there have their designated purpose that is it starts from idea.

As a newbies who has passion for electronics, you must be familiar with basic electrical terms and components which are things we come across in our day to day activities.

Terms like Voltage and Current shouldn't be strange to you, so circuit is just about how voltage and current are manipulated to achieve something.

How then does this manipulation achieve?

The answer is, simply through some components which their properties change as voltage and current are applied to them.

What are these basic components?

They are common things you come about everyday, which are:
1. Resistor
2. Capacitor
3. Inductor
4. Diode
5. Transistor
6. Transformer
7. Integrated Circuit (IC)*

I asterisk IC because it needs further discussion.

I'll simply summarize all these components this way: Voltage pushed, current flows, Resistor resists, Capacitor stores energy inform of voltage, Inductor induces, Diode acts as one-way valve & Transistor is an electronic switch.

Like I said, electronic design is very fascinating and interesting especially when you are a type who like doing electrical stuffs.

The images below are that of Arduino Mega, the complete components on the Arduino Mega can be found there.

How then can you come up with a design like this?

Well the electronics knowledge as we have it today has been made so open that you hardly search for anything and you won't get it.

Knowing how to desgin circuit isn't the most awesome thing about being electronics design engineer but giving you confident to identify any error in design and having proper understanding on how most complex IC works.

Now, what do you need to achieve this is the next question?

Like I said earlier, you don't need to be a guru before you can do it only to know the secret of it.

I will start with the newbies that is people who have zero background in electrical electronics.

Electronics as we may know it today are not just a piece of gadget but has become the heart and brain of every modern technology which can be as simple as automatic fan control to as complex as brain behind driverless car, AI robot e.t.c.

Which ever way it's being used, one thing is for sure! Behind every electronics there are few components to hundreds of components carefully arrange to work together.

*How to make these components interact with each other.
*Placement of each component to form a unique circuit
*PCB layout and design

Are responsibility of an electronic designer/engineer

Therefore, on this thread I'll like to focus on three major things I wish this thread will acheive:
1. Raising many electronics designers/engineers.
(NOTE: You don't need to be a guru or having strong background in elect/electronics before you become one)
2. Coming together of the engineers as a formidable team.
3. Start making complex electronics.

You might think making complex electronics is very difficult. For instance, the smart phone you're holding has over 100m of wires and 6-10 conductive copper layers whereas some military and medical equipment can have up to 50-100 conductive copper layers you can see it's not that easy truly but after I revealed the secret behind it, you will enjoy doing it over and over again and find it very easy to do which I called "Cracking into a complex electronics"

During the first phase of the aim of this thread which is raising many electronics designer/engineers, you'll gain the knowledge of electrical components and their functions(for newbies), what is datasheet? How to read and make use of datasheet, what is a schematic diagram? How can you crack into a schematic diagram? PCB design and layout e.t.c

I'll post some of my complex electronics desgin as this thread goes on.

Janosky:
#1,#5 Jesus was given power to create by his Creator his Father in the spiritual realm.
John 5:26,Romans 11:35-36, Colossians 1:15.
Which first born has no Father?

No how you people put it you'll always acknowledge the creative power of your creator Jesus Christ.

That will make Jesus to be the CREATOR of you, your father the Devil, your saviour Angel Michael and your idolaters in Brooklyn sorry New York

#2
Jesus is godlike, a god is godlike, divine.
That is the true meaning of John 1:1
Resembling God. Check your Dictionary.

But Jehovah said there's no god besides Him, which means your interpretation is wrong.

KJV: Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts: “I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god. Isaiah 44:6

Jehovah said he is THE FIRST AND THE LAST, the is the same thing Jesus told John in his revelation and to crown it all, He said BESIDES me (Jehovah) there's no god.

#3
John 20:17 and Revelation 3:12

#4
John 5:26, power given by his Creator.

Which then make Him a creator and you having two creators.

You are not a Trinitarian or you have your own version of the Trinity.

Just as you have your own version of saviour the Micheal

Matthew 11:10 Jesus is an angel just as John the Baptizer is.
Envoys , Messengers of God.

We keep hearing this nonsense because no where scripture explicitly stated that Jesus is Angel.

Keep searching maybe you'll see it in your next light that will shine brighter

Janosky:
Is John 5:26 missing from your Bible?
Who gave life to Jesus ?

John 20:17,Revelation 3:5,12, Ephesians 4:6, in the spiritual realm& earthly realm, why does his God have no Father ?
1 Corinthians 3:23, Why is his God not answerable to any God?

Always incoherent in his statement.

Jesus was given life by His Father in his humanity after setting aside His God's nature Phil 2:6, Jesus is the very LIFE and not even just life BUT ETERNAL LIFE 1 John 1:3

CEV: The one who gives life appeared! We saw it happen, and we are witnesses to what we have seen. Now we are telling you about this eternal life that was with the Father and appeared to us.

How can eternal be given life again Oponu Janosense.

This was the same question I thrown at a JWs elder and I didn't see him again.

Jesus himself said he is THE LIFE.

I don't expect you to understand that verse with your watchtower brain thou

Successdude:
Still obscured. Pls break it down.

I'll do that with reply to your questions.

If its a complete production line with segments, then it'll be making "parts" of a [bigger] product.

What I mean by complete production line is of two ways:

Firstly, looking at a big manufacturing company then break it into segments whereby each production line can be dealing in "PARTS" as you rightly said then the last production line will be for assembly of the rest of the production line.

Secondly, manufacturing a complete modular production line but with lower output. For instance, producing a complete production line for cassava processing which can produce like 5-10 bags per day.

So if those parts are gonna have end users it makes it even more questionable in that who are these guys and users needing "parts" whereby its obvious the country isn't yet industrialized to have such prospects?

And if otherwise, as in those parts would be products in its complete sense where by the end users could easily be home owners / families, then there would be a central point of assemblage or else the segments you mean would mean a production line in itself for a complete product.

Pls shed more light

I think you understand the line of thought I'm driving at.

But most importantly is the less cost to the end users because I think if there are affordable modular complete production lines, many people will have the machine leading to increase production of goods rather than one big production line.

Example: I want to set up a company while carrying out the market survey, I realized that to set up the standard one which can produce over 100sqm of sheets per day, it will cost us nothing less than 1billion Naira because we need about 20 different machines and the cost for per machine is from $50,000 and above.

Then I came across a company in China that are into the same manufacturing of those machines but in a modular version which can produce 8-10sqm per day and the whole production line is around 55-60million Naira in which the highest cost per machine is around $12,000 down to the lowest at around $450

To me I'd prefer (that is if I have the 1billion Naira self) to set up the 10 of those modular factories than setting up just one big one.

What I'm saying in essence is that, with modular production line, more people will be able to afford which will lead to increase in production.

Janosky:
BishopKingsley, Bestscoreodd, Nancy2020, Shadeyinka, MightySparrow., sagenaija, Emusan.
Your fellow devotee is telling you all loud and clear.
You're worshipping 3 persons you deceptively call "one God"
Your 3 spiritual beings= 3 Gods.

The same ignorance your fraud master displayed in their evil publication "Should you believe in Trinity?" is the same you're repeating after many centuries, when you supposed to be more enlighten than them since your light is getting brighter

Successdude:
The local way also need money.

Yes I know but I guess it won't cost us much. Which can help us to have small budget.

Meanwhile, what is in mind as our product ?

I'm looking at manufacturing of modular machine!

That is, a complete production line divided into smaller segments, in that way we have end user from every product coming from each section.

DappaD:
Ehn nau. If you were my brother I would freely converse with you as there won’t be rules to barricade us

So which rules barricade us here on this thread

See the hypocrisy I used to talk about of you people.

but you’re not so face your front and allow OP to reply me.

I understand, when your lies is exposed you must look for a way out.

Deuteronomy 26:19 is still there

Please stop begging for my attention and channel your energy to something else.

So all the people you've been quoting here means you're begging for their attentions, that's right!

DappaD:
Emusan please let me be I’m currently facing the OP on this thread and no one else!

Where was the rules stated by the OP that you should only face him?

But you keep canvassing with your brother on the same thread without telling him that you're only to FACE THE OP

I guess your brother is INSIDE THE OP shey

DappaD:
1. Satan the Devil quoted from the Hebrew Scriptures to make a point, that’s the difference so he was actually purporting half-truths and misapplying scripture. Matthew 4:6

Perfect description of JWs.

Thank God you said Satan tempted Jesus as Son of God, which means that if Jesus was God, then he could never have been tempted in the first place(James 1:13) but as we can see, he was!

But do you consider what Phil 2:6 says about Jesus before He became a Man? So you can see that James 1:13 can't be applied to Jesus in his incarnation.

2. Yes, Jehovah indeed glorified Jesus after his death and resurrection but is it not funny that even at that, Jesus is still being referred to as a Servant and not God? Acts 3:13(NKJV, ASV)

But the same Jesus was still called MAN after death & resurrection that means He is still with human nature.

Anyways, Jesus is still a servant and man because He has not finished His purpose of becoming MAN, until He subdued all things under His feet and handled over to His Father so that "God will be ALL IN ALL" 1 Corinthians 15:28

DappaD:
Man I don’t even know you LOL so expecting me to bend to your will is already out of the question.

But you expect other people who didn't know you to bend to your own will.

Your Billy Graham was able to mislead many who loved lawlessness and wanted to believe lies(Matthew 7:21-23, 24:24), committed sexual immorality with the politicians of this world which already made him part of Babylon the Great(false religion) Revelation 17:5

Just as your 8 men in Brooklyn (sorry New York) are misleading and became part of the same Babylon the Great (false religion)

I said your points were weak because:

1. You picked only one of the accusations laid against Jesus to make a point. OK the Jews also claimed Jesus had a demon(John 10:20) and that he was a rebel against Caesar(Luke 23:2) after he said they should pay taxes to Caesar(Matthew 22:21) so why should we believe them when they claimed that he was claiming to be God after he said he was the Son of God? John 10:34-36
Think!

Think, do you also think?

Did Jesus counter their accusations by proofing He's not DEMON POSSESSED?

What was Jesus action when they SAID HE CLIAMED EQUALITY WITH GOD?

The problem here is that, you people never considered the instances how Jesus related to the Jews to reveal how He was the promised Messiah, God and Man.

Read your Bible not WATCHTOWER this time you'll see Jesus always countered the Jews points whenever they jam.

For instance, Jesus used Sabbath to prove that His is the LORD OVER SABBATH, something that NO HUMAN EVEN ANGEL can claim because YAHWEH is the very One who LORD OVER SABBATH.

2. Jehovah God does not share his glory as Almighty with anybody, not even his Son(Isaiah 42:8.),

But the Son has ALL AUTHORITY in heaven and on earth.

Do you understand what it means to have ALL AUTHORITY?

When you will even know that the word ALMIGHTY was derived from two words "ALL" & "Mighty"

Do you learn English to that level?

so misconstruing John 17:5 is already a big mistake on your part. Why? Because Jehovah said he would give glory and honour to the Israelites(Deuteronomy 26:19), does that mean the Israelites are now equal to Jehovah because of that?
Think!

No! It's only misconstrued to you because Jesus message there is so cleared to see to the blind, as in "the glory I had with you BEFORE the WORD BEGIN"

This is a clear statement that the speaker here is talking about ETERNITY and Only God lives in eternity.

I'm still looking for where God says he will give HIS glory to the Israelites in that Deuteronomy 26:19. That is the reason we do say you people can pick any verse without even know what is all about.

CEV: The Lord created all nations, but he will make you more famous than any of them, and you will receive more praise and honor. You will belong only to the Lord your God, just as he promised.

GNT: He will make you greater than any other nation that he has created, and you will bring praise and honor to his name. You will be his own people, as he promised.”

Not even your translation we read that your god says he'll give HIS GLORY TO THE ISRAELITES, so where did that idea come from

NWT: "and that he will put you high above all the other nations that he has made,+ giving you praise and fame and glory as you prove yourself a people holy to Jehovah your God,+ just as he has promised.”

capnies:
EVEN THE WORDS YOU USE SHOWS YOU HAVE NO CHRIST IN YOU.

And you're the Christ, that's why you know he doesn't have you in him

JESUS WAS CREATED AND THAT AUTHOMATICALLY DISQUALIFIES HIM AS GOD REV 3:14.

No where Jesus Christ was said to be created rather He is the CREATOR John 1:3, Heb 1:2-3, 11, Col 1:16-18

INFACT JESUS CALLED JEHOVAH MY GOD JOHN 20:17

No! He called HIS FATHER His God In His mission on earth. Jesus never used the name Jehovah.

IN 1COR 15:21-22 JESUS IS REFFERED TO AS MAN

Yes He became MAN but was God Phi 2:6, John 1:14

Coldie:
Will love to join but am currently not in Nigeria

You're highly welcome sir!

You can also drop your suggestion and what you think is the best way to go.

Successdude:
Thank you for the mention. Now I've read what you put up.

Although I understand this is at its "pre-" stage, but I'll like to ask, with regards to financing the project, how might it be ?

Thanks for your input.

About financial aspect of it, as I understand that's the major roadblocks for many startup business or company but in my opinion, I won't like this to follow the same way which is the reason I'm emphasizing on LOCAL WAY.

Which means, we don't need to start proposing huge amount of money that we won't be able to secure funds for leading to abandonment of the ideas.

We need more people's opinions on this.

tatatar:
If the same word can be applied to mortals then how is that proof of Jesus being God

You haven't answered my question rather using question to answer question, is the word proskuneo never mean WORSHIP?

tatatar:
[s]xtians have the worst mode of interpretation I've ever seen. The way they just pick apart verses and give it whatever meaning they deem fit with zero regards to context or textual analysis. A simple outdated usage of a term could be all it takes to found a new doctrine.[/s]

Says the Muslim that Allah handed over the interpretation of Bible to

Anyways: The Greek word translated as "worshipped" comes from the verb proskuneó, indicating 'the homage and prostration before a king'

In other words Proskuneo never mean WORSHIP right?

MaxInDHouse:
Shame on TRINITY!

Shame on Herald of Jehovah Witness.

Iyasaburi purposely demanded to hear from Jehovah's Witnesses because everyone knows that's the only group having a unique teaching.

Mumbo Jumbo as usual.

EVERYONE you said,

Russell and Rutherford know?
What of all those misinformed churchgoers in your hall

All of you claim you're believers in TRINITY yet there is great contradictions between Cele and Deeperlife (both Trinitarians)

All of you claiming you're believers in nontrinity yet there's great contradictions between Arainism and JWs, JWs & Creation Seventh Day Adventist, JWs and Oneness Pentecostal (both nontrinitarian)

So a honest hearted and sincere individuals will opt for a unique group with unique teaching, they're not like you who wants to continue in the old ideology that's not yielding positivity anywhere!

So it's not about TRINITY again but UNIQUE TEACHING yet a fruitless efforts for over 100years

Jesus says if you abide in me you have more FRUIT, you can see the reason why your over 100years yielded no fruit?

Janosky:
See this FRAUDULENT Trinitarians
Colossians 1:16, did Jesus create his God his Father?

See this fraudulent Watchtower slave

See oponu question....

@ Colossians 1:16 & 1 Corinthians 8:6,What is the Greek meaning of "dia antou through him"?

Tell us Greek scholar
Acting as if he had PhD in Greek when he will do Google and cherish pick the part that suit his lying doctrine.

1 Corinthians 8:6, One God the Father who CREATOR OF ALL"
Why is One God his Father the CREATOR OF ALL" & Father of Jesus Christ?

See English self

As usual, you forgot to add that ONE LORD JESUS CHRIST who THROUGH ALL THINGS too

Fraudulent JaNosense.

Romans 11:35-36, who came through the Father?

ALL THINGS CAME THROUGH THE FATHER yet the SAME ALL THINGS came through Jesus Christ. Don't forget that part.

Job 38:4, Genesis 1:27, Isaiah 44:24 & Isaiah 48:12-13 , the foundation was set up by JEHOVAH the Father of Jesus Christ.

NOTE: This your light that just got brighter than before is so wonderful oooo, because the light just added 7 chapters to Proverbs Mr Greek scholar why now....

Now the reality is begin to dawn on the fraudster.

So Jehovah only LAID THE FOUNDATION why Jesus completed the remaining creation

Meanwhile, the same Proverbs 8 you people always use had this to say

27 "I was there when he set up the skies, when he drew a circle in the ocean to make a place for the land. 28 I was there when he put the clouds in the sky and made the deep springs flow. 29 I was there when he set the limits on the sea to make it stop where he said. I was there when he laid the foundations of the earth."

Who is the "I" and who is the "HE" here?

Isaiah 48:12 Why do you vybzkartel bear your father's title/name?

because they were both HUMAN just as Jesus and Father are both God.

IJOBA11:
I ACTUALLY DON’T ARGUE WITH HUMAN WORSHIPPERS


THE END JUSTIFIES THE MEANS- NICOLO MACHIAVELLI

And was the thread about Human worshippers, when you jumped in?

After all, you made us to know that Muhammad has Father in heaven

Lemme point it for you:
1. The Master
2. Coordinator
3. Owner of heaven and earth



Anyway, as per your question, there you have it.

Adamgeneral12:
Who is the person wey say make Moses go do arch of convent?

God

Say na Jesus?
Why did the person say He will be answering moses through that arch?
I beg no insults, I just want to know.

The reason is between God and Moses.

Don't derail the thread.