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Barristter07:
It's pure appearance. Here is a text that confirms it.

Hebrews 2:14 partake flesh and blood

Verse 17 " For this reason He had to be made like His brothers in every way, "

In every way, His brothers are sinners , Was he made that way too ?

It's not appearance which is the reason you couldn't say anything about CEV translation

Jesus was made in every way like his BROTHERS which is what make us HUMAN even thou it's our nature that paves way for sin and evil.

So Jesus is GOD according to Phil 2:6 for having the very nature that makes God God.

Sin and evil is what human acquired in their lifetime which is why Jesus couldn't sin nor do evil.

I've told you to stop lying.

Barristter07:
[s]Ehud is Isreals saviour

Jehovah is Isreals saviour

Which is wrong or correct in this two statement ?[/s]

"NOG: Yahweh reclaimed you. He formed you in the womb. This is what Yahweh says: I, Yahweh, made everything. I stretched out the heavens by myself. I spread out the earth all alone."

Is Jehovah lying that HE stretched out heavens BY MYSELF and spread out the earth ALL ALONE?

Show us where Ehud PERSONALLY claim to be ISREAL saviour.

Barristter07:
Clearly this means he never had any real authority until he came to earth. Simple Daniel 7:14.

Daniel is about His earthly mission, it's a PROPHECY

It really shows. As nobody exist in his image. You really have sense.

Another diversion!

Like I explain earlier the word " see" is a continuation of the statement " not of his own accord " . It simply means Jesus rely on the Fathers power to do anything. This is why creation was never said to be Jesus sons and daughters. And neither is anyone made in his image

He relied on His Father power after setting aside His NATURE of God. I've said that earlier.

Human are made in the image of God.

Jesus is that VERY IMAGE OF GOD.

Barristter07:
" God sent his Son in the form of sinful flesh "
Romans 8:3

This is the form of servant talked about . Yet Jesus didn't take the core sin associated with that nature , ONLY the appearance.

Sin and Evil don't make us human.

You already said, Jesus became EXACTLY HUMAN which is what that verse was all about.

Jesus is EXACTLY GOD for having God's nature.

The Bible said he becomes a sharer of flesh and blood.

That's OUR NATURE

The logic applies to Form of God. This doesn't refer in this context to mean he is everything like God. But rather exist in his appearance

He is EVERYTHING OF GOD. CEV is another confirmed version

Once again, the text is all about Appearance

Not appearance stop the lies if not Jesus won't laid that ASIDE.

KNOWMORE56:
"So what are the THINGS Jesus sees the Father doing that Jesus can do also?"

Which of them will answer... lol

They always avoid that question.

I have many questions for them but they don't answer questions... except copying their organization answers and paste here.

This issue of worship that maxInDHouse and his fellow worshipper of watch Tower, barristter07, are talking about is the Word...

By the way, I have similar question about this "Jesus is created"

They claim it is Jesus speaking in Proverbs 8.

Since He is the only Being created by the Father, and the speaker in Proverbs 8 says:

Proverbs 8:26 "KJV: While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.
27
KJV: When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:
28
KJV: When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:
29
KJV: When he gave to the sea his decree, [b/] that the waters should not pass his commandment: [b] when he appointed the foundations of the earth:

Who is this He, is it Jesus speaking of the Father or another being speaking of Jesus, "the creator of all other things"?

cc: Janosky, maxInDHouse, canticles, captivator,barristter07,haddeylium, peacefulworld01,tamyfire, fengchui...

I have used this same Proverb 8 to proof that YAHWEH does The creation by HIMSELF has Isaiah 44:24 says "NOG
Yahweh reclaimed you. He formed you in the womb. This is what Yahweh says: I, Yahweh, made everything. I stretched out the heavens by myself. I spread out the earth all alone."

To claim another being was the one who did it is to call this glorious verse fraud which means the scripture is false.

Barristter07:
So if he does exactly what the Father does automatically, why does he need to be given permission/authority ?

because Christ has already laid aside that authority Phil 2:6 so in His incarnation He simply rely on His Father.

Show me one thing Christ does that he wasn't given authority to do ?

He created you and the whole universe without taking permission from anyone.

Can you show me where Jesus sees the Father PERFORMING THE ACT OF CREATION that makes Jesus does the same?

To share in the Divine nature does not mean to possess ?

It depends on the context.

Barristter07:
Form of God = Spirit

Form of servant = Fleshly body.

The context of that verse simply refer to the appearance in which he exist.

To drive my point : Jesus take the form of servant and become exactly like humans. But without sharing the defects and other human evil qualities. The take the very nature of humans he came to save will mean he inherit sin like them


The text is all about Appearance.

You'll keep twisting your mouth.

He quoted NLT you said, it's wrong but when I showed you how your favorite version put it, you're changing tune.

You even implicate yourself by saying "Jesus take the form of servant and become EXACTLY like humans."

Which you know what that verse is saying is Jesus has the very nature that makes God God.

Sin & evil are not NATURE stop lying.

If Sin & evil are NATURE it means Devil is now human or the people who will inherit earth aren't complete in their nature since sin and evil won't be found in them.

Barristter07:
It has always been like that. Jesus needed permission to do what the Father does. That's the point. It's not automatic, even when he saw the Father doing something, he still needed to be given authority to do so.

That's not the point, it's yours!

Christ does EXACTLY what the Father does!

Does Daniel 7:14 sound like incarnation to you ?

Daniel 7:14 is still talking about Christ's mission as human

So equal by nature right ?

Equality on the basis of nature is one the Most Silly argument by your branch of Trinity. That means humans sharing God's nature are equal with God too.

Human can't possess the nature that makes God, God but Christ exists in that VERY NATURE.

Barristter07:
NLT was wrong Mr , Ever since you used capitalization to justify a point , I Know you lack how this things work.

Now NTL is wrong because it simply didn't support your assertion but KJv is right, right

Do

The text said " Form of God "

Form means nature of God, his form, His spirit form, his Divine nature.

That doesn't mean he is God, cos angels also have the same form of God as Spirits and humans will share the same form as Divine nature's. It doesn't mean someone is God himself, it's only saying Christ despite existing in God's Form [nature] . Didn't think about Equality with God. He knows his Father is superior as his God and creator.

See twisting!

It's like saying, something has HUMAN NATURE and that thing isn't HUMAN....very pathetic.

If that verse is talking about THE VERY NATURE OF GOD and you claim Angel possesses that, it means Angels are God too because what that verse is talking about is having the very NATURE THAT MAKES GOD, GOD!

And we know that Angels don't have what makes God, God but Jesus said to have it.

This is how your beloved CEV put it.

CEV: Christ was truly God. But he did not try to remain equal with God.

Now the time to deny CEV has come

Barristter07:
The text said :
“Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of his own accord , but only what he sees the Father doing. For whatever the Father does, that the Son does likewise. "

The whole point of the Text is Jesus can't do anything without BEEN GRANTED AUTHORITY to do it.

You only make that POINT of the text.

The point of the text is "...For whatever the Father does, that the Son does likewise."

For example Jesus sees the Father forgiving sins. He can only do this UNTIL the Father gave him the authority to do so.

Yes! In His incarnation

Superiority

Of course the Father is superior to Jesus in ranking, nobody deny that.

freshboi88:
Liar it did say so.

Jesus gave them this answer: “Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does.


So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of his own accord, but only what he sees the Father doing. For whatever the Father does, that the Son does likewise.

I know even with it in bold, d scales in your eyes will not allow u see it. But it is there no matter the lies u tell..even your NWT couldn't hide it.

So that's the question...How is Jesus able to do whatever the Father can do ?

Another interesting questions for the 8 men worshippers would be, they claim Jehovah created Jesus first and used the same Jesus to create all other things.

So what are the THINGS Jesus sees the Father doing that Jesus can do also?

Having it in mind that the Father ONLY created Jesus.

Barristter07:
Go back and read the text. It never said this.

What did the text say

Janosky:
[b]Mumu LIENUS.
Deuteronomy 21:21-23 is in your Bible.
IMPALE on a STAKE is the only Jewish custom approved by the holy Scriptures.

Oponu JaNosense

Was Jesus killed by the Jews or the Roman's?

I know you can't answer that.

Mr Tsaferis confirmed that.

When you didn't even understand Mr Tsaferi's article in the first place

[s]When your family no dey thief and you joined your brother to thief , is thievery your family custom?[/s]

Out of the point.

Was Jesus captured by Spartacus during the Jewish revolt?
Was Jesus a Roman slave?

That's to tell you that the Romans who killed Jesus has been using crucifixion to kill Thousands even before Jesus was born and no where was it recorded that the Romans killed anyone on a STAKE

Can you see the reason why I said you didn't understand that Mr Tsaferi's article?

Mumu post.
Stauros (screenshot evidence & Deuteronomy 21:21-23 quote of Mr Tsaferis, Archeologist) is the instrument of Jesus execution. More so, you Emusan know that Deuteronomy 21:21-23 was quoted as old testament scripture reference for Jesus death, you continue to DECEIVE yourself.

I will summarize Mr Tsaferi articles below so that you'll know you didn't understand that article and the reason why he (Mr Tsaferi quoted Deuteronomy 21:21-23)

A cross beam is a traverse beam.
Is cross/traverse beam an upright pole?
Which criminal was executed on a traverse beam in the holy Scriptures?
Which chapter and verse in Emusan Bible?

Na jankara Emusan dey do Professional Training?
LIENUS

The ode didn't grab my point

Mr Tsaferis confirmed Deuteronomy 21:21-23, IMPALE is Jewish custom in the scriptures.
Crucifixion no ,no

If only your tiny brain can slap sense into you to know that Jesus was not killed by the Jews but by the Roman's then your delusion will be cured.

Did Mr Tsaferis say Yehonathan is Jesus Christ?
Emusan and LYING can NEVER divorce

He didn't but he says ALL THE PEOPLE the Romans have killed are crucified on THE CROSS.

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Here is the summary of the article, so that sense can locate that your blocked head.

NOTE: This article wasn't about how Jesus was crucified but about HISTORY AND ARCHEOLOGICAL EVIDENCE OF CRUCIFIXION

1. The article opening was "From ancient literary sources we know that tens of thousands of people were crucified in the Roman Empire.

Notice that @underlined, it was mainly about the Roman Empire.

2. The Romans adopted this practice towards the second century BC and it was recorded that the Roman's armies crucified 6000 people on A CROSS before Jesus was born and this practice continues even till after the death of Jesus.

3. The misconception about crucifixion is that, it's the Roman invention but this practice predated Roman reigns "In fact, Assyrians, Phoenicians and Persians all practiced crucifixion during the first millennium B.C. Crucifixion was introduced in the west from these eastern cultures; it was used only rarely on the Greek mainland, but Greeks in Sicily and southern Italy used it more frequently, probably as a result of their closer contact with Phoenicians and Carthaginians."

4. Among the Jews crucifixion was Anathema (see Deu 21:21-23) this is where your dull skull thought Mr Tsaferi supported STAKE by quoting that Deuteronomy. But what Mr Tsaferi was saying is that Crucifixion was A RARE METHOD for capital punishment among the Jews even though they have a writing inform of crucifixion. That was why he went further to say "The traditional method of execution among Jews was stoning. Nevertheless, crucifixion was occasionally employed by Jewish tyrants during the Hasmonean period. According to Josephus, Alexander Jannaeus crucified 800 Jews on a single day during the revolt against the census of 7 A.D."
This can be further supported by the reason of Romans nor any nation copy this practice from Jews rather crucifixion was a practice adopted from EASTERN CULTURES and the eastern cultures make use of CROSS not STAKE. Even when the Jews later copied this practice they still make use of CROSS not STAKE. Which then means, to the Jews Deu 21:21-23 is effective.

5. When Romans armies started using this method of execution, they notice that the victim always died within few hours "Initially he would be able to hold himself up for 30 to 60 seconds, but this movement would quickly become increasingly difficult. As he became weaker, the victim would be unable to pull himself up and death would ensue within a few hours. In order to prolong the agony, Roman executioners devised two instruments that would keep the victim alive on the cross for extended periods of time. One, known as a sedile, was a small seat attached to the front of the cross, about halfway down...The second device added to the cross was the suppedaneum, or foot support. It was less painful than the sedile, but it also prolonged the victim’s agony."

The most astonished part of this is that the article went further to say two early Christian writers wrote about the sedile probably used on Jesus cross "Both Erenaeus and Justin Martyr describe the cross of Jesus as having five extremities rather than four; the fifth was probably the sedile."

The five extremities described here can't be possible on a STAKE but only on a CROSS as it can be found on the two hands apart(2), at the head(1), at the bottom(1), & at the legs(1).

The question is, if these early writers can describe that Jesus died on the cross, is it your lying 8 men in Brooklyn that know more than them which Mr Tsaferi still alluded to

6. Since the Jews copied this practice (even though they never make use of stake rather the cross) they still obey that Deuteronomy 21 which is the victim's body must not remain hanging till the following day but for the Roman's they can leave the victim's body for days that is why the victim's legs were usually broken to hasten the death when it it comes to Jews crucified by the Roman's armies: "The victim’s broken legs not only provided crucial evidence for the position on the cross, but they also provide evidence for a Palestinian variation of Roman crucifixion—at least as applied to Jews. Normally, the Romans left the crucified person undisturbed to die slowly of sheer physical exhaustion leading to asphyxia. However, Jewish tradition required burial on the day of execution. Therefore, in Palestine the executioner would break the legs of the crucified person in order to hasten his death and thus permit burial before nightfall. This practice, described in the Gospels in reference to the two thieves who were crucified with Jesus (John 19:18), has now been archaeologically confirmed. Since the victim we excavated was a Jew, we may conclude that the executioners broke his legs on purpose in order to accelerate his death and allow his family to bury him before nightfall in accordance with Jewish custom."

7. The Romans soldiers always used two places for their execution which happened that one of those places is where Jesus was executed "In peacetime, crucifixions were carried out according to certain rules, by special persons authorized by the Roman courts. Crucifixions took place at specific locations, for example, in particular fields in Rome and on the Golgotha in Jerusalem."

From the ongoing...
We can see that, the Romans never crucified anyone on STAKE neither do the Jews who copied this practice.

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Back to the ROMAN EMPIRE in the beginning:

We can ask, who killed Jesus?
Well answer to this question is dualistic in nature.
But to make it simple, here are the answers
1. The Jews are only responsible for the death of Jesus Christ by accusing Jesus wrongly because they want him dead.
2. While The Romans authority (Pilate) is the one who condemned Jesus to death and Jesus was handed over to the Roman's soldiers for execution. Matt 27:27
3. The most interesting part is that Pilate intentionally told the Jews to personally carry out Jesus execution which the Jews vehemently rejected "DLNT: So Pilate said to them, “You take Him and judge Him according to your Law”. The Jews said to him, “It is not lawful for us to execute anyone” - John 18:31

NWT: So Pilate said to them: “Take him yourselves and judge him according to your law.”+ The Jews said to him: “It is not lawful for us to kill anyone.”

We read in John's own Gospel when Pilate asked Jesus "Pilate answered, Am I a Jew? Your own nation and high priests have delivered you to me. What have you done?" John 18:35

Also, Pilate said “Do you refuse to speak to me? “Don’t you realize I have power either to free you or to crucify you?” John 19:10

Now, Pilate who didn't claim any affiliation with the Jews and boast of having power to release or CRUCIFY Jesus, can Pilate be talking about killing Jesus on a STAKE which he knew very well that his soldiers nor Jews themselves never used to execute anyone?

In conclusion:
Mr Tsaferi article proves that:
1. Roman's soldiers have always using cross to execute people before Jesus was born even after the death of Jesus and never was it recorded that anyone was killed on a STAKE.

2. The Jews who copied this practice never executed anyone on a stake rather on a cross despite the fact that they still applied Deu 21 of not allowing the victim's body to remain till the following day.

3. Since it was Roman's armies that crucified Jesus Christ, it's impossible for them to use a method they never used before nor a method they never see Jews themselves employed before.

Lastly, two early respected Christian writers wrote that Jesus was killed on the Cross not on the stake.

So Mr JaNosense, if you understand that article, you'll see how it greatly exposed your lying organization and your ignorance for even claiming Mr Tsaferi supported USING OF STAKE.

Janosky:
"Jewish Tyrants" who practiced Hellenistic customs and adopted Greek titles to rule Judea as "independent kingdom" (Note ,not under the theocratic rule of King David's descendants , 2 Samuel 7:13-16) na this bigot dey claim say crucifixion is Jewish custom

I know you must find a way of twisting that article, since you people have the audacity to twist the scripture with the backing of your father the Devil but you'll always be put to shame like your father the Devil.

The article is well detailed, Crucifixion has been known to the Jews and Romans many centuries before Christ was born.

"Because the main purpose of this practice was to punish, humiliate and frighten disobedient slaves, the practice did not necessarily result in death. Only in later times, probably in the first century B.C., did crucifixion evolve into a method of execution for conviction of certain crimes.
Initially, crucifixion was known as the punishment of the slaves. Later, it was used to punish foreign captives, rebels and fugitives, especially during times of war and rebellion. Captured enemies and rebels were crucified in masses. Accounts of the suppression of the revolt of Spartacus in 71 B.C. tell how the Roman army lined the road from Capua to Rome with 6,000 crucified rebels on 6,000 crosses."

This is more interesting when you consider that it was Roman authority who condemned Jesus to death and was handled over to the Roman army for execution.

You'll never receive sense JaNosense

This period of time was many centuries after Jesus earthly ministry.

Oponu.....how many times will I struck it in your dull skull that crucifixion is a well practice in for both Jews and Romans even before Christ was born

Read the Screenshots and continue to DECEIVE yourself, Mr LIENUS.
Stauros is an upright pole without cross beam.

But the cross beam is also a pole.

3 Gods idol worshippers who DECEIVE themselves

Wetin Messi no go see for goalmouth?
Chai !!!

The deluded 8 men worshipper won't receive sense. Anyway, you can inform the elders in your hall this week that a renowned archeologist has come with an undisputable evident supporting Jesus execution on the cross

I know it will pain the 8 men in Brooklyn on hearing that

Janosky:
"The Jewish custom is to execute a criminal on a stake, according to Deuteronomy 21:21-23.
A pole is a stake NOT a cross.
A pole is made of wood, hence called a tree"

Deuteronomy 21:21-23 confirmed the Jewish custom of execution of criminals.
Deuteronomy 21:21-23
“If someone has committed a crime worthy of death and is executed and hung on a tree,[a] 23 the body must not remain hanging from the tree overnight. You must bury the body that same day, for anyone who is hung[b] is cursed in the sight of God. In this way, you will prevent the defilement of the land the Lord your God is giving you as your special possession.

Footnotes
21:22 Or impaled on a pole; similarly in 21:23.
21:23 Greek version reads for everyone who is hung on a tree. Compare Gal 3:13.

Olodo....the lying liar JWs like his father the devil

An a cross beam isn't a stake and wood too

Wahala for the worshipper of 8 men in Brooklyn

Vasilious Tsaferis, Greek Isreali Archeologist says:
"Crucifixion is ANATEMA ,ABHORRENT, forbidden by the Jews" (screenshot evidences)

Liar.....read the article again this time slowly [right][/right]

Did Mr Tsaferis ever said the Jews practiced it?
Emphatic no !!!

But Jesus was crucified, isn't it Ode you don't even know what you're talking about.

The Romans did crucifixion at the turn of the first century, [b]many many years after Jesus died (around 30 CE) when the Romans had NOT begun crucifixion.

See the lying liar mouth, anyways no be today your lying mouth has been shut down.

"The traditional method of execution among Jews was stoning. Nevertheless, crucifixion was occasionally employed by Jewish tyrants during the Hasmonean period. According to Josephus, Alexander Jannaeus crucified 800 Jews on a single day during the revolt against the census of 7 A.D.

At the end of the first century B.C., the Romans adopted crucifixion as an official punishment for non-Romans for certain legally limited transgressions.

Firstly, the article says JEWISH TYRANT employed crucifixion.
Secondly, The Romans' has adopted Crucifixion as an OFFICIAL punishment for NON-ROMANS.

Is Jesus a Roman or non-Romans?

Romans crucifixion started with slaves?
Was Jesus Christ a Roman slave?
Emusan LYING since 19gbidigbidi.

Read the article again, this time with your hall cap

Dump your GIBBERISH claims into the Sewage tank.

Mr Tsaferis have put rubbished your FALSE, LYING claim on this thread.

I really understand your pain JaNosense because simple comprehension is sooooo far away from you.

I repeat, Crucifixion is NOT a Jewish custom
Mr Tsaferis said so.

Yes but he said "Nevertheless, crucifixion was occasionally employed by Jewish tyrants during the Hasmonean period"

Wahala for the brains dead lying liar

The Romans adopted the practice to execute Yehonathan over a century after Jesus death.

We you shut up your dirty mouth, Ole oshi

The practice that the Roman has adopted at the later century of BC

Further proof, Jesus Christ was NEVER executed on a pagan cross.[/b]

When you activated your dull brain when reading the article.

Lying liar JWs like his father the devil

[i][/i]

MightySparrow:
Ha Your GB's definition of righteousness.

Even you can read through his lies.

Imagine the wrong teaching he pulled up there.

When the scripture says John 5:28 - 29 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which ALL THAT ARE IN THE GRAVES shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Jesus said "ALL" which means no body will be left in the grave.

Again, at resurrection there's instant judgement no where scripture says some people will be taught for 1000years.

Besides, he said God will later destroyed the unrighteous with the Satan.

That's another point to consider because Bible only says Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

The most interesting part is that, this same lake of fire is where Satan will be thrown.

So we can ask, after resurrection of righteous and unrighteous people will there still be:
1. Murderers?
2. Whoremongers?
3. Sorcerers?
4. Idolaters?
5. Liars?

Under the governing rules Jesus

To crown it all, where will the unrighteous people will be destroyed:
1. Here on earth in the midst of the righteous people (which after Armageddon has taken place)?
2. Or they'll suddenly disappear to the lake of fire?
3. Or earth is lake of fire itself where they'll be destroyed?

So much for people who follow those 8 men in Brooklyn (sorry New York)

Janosky:
Mumu claim of a LIENUS Bishop

Lying liar JWs like his father the devil

[b]Deuteronomy 21:21-23
“If someone has committed a crime worthy of death and is executed and hung on a tree,[a] 23 the body must not remain hanging from the tree overnight. You must bury the body that same day, for anyone who is hung[b] is cursed in the sight of God. In this way, you will prevent the defilement of the land the Lord your God is giving you as your special possession.

Footnotes
21:22 Or impaled on a pole; similarly in 21:23.
21:23 Greek version reads for everyone who is hung on a tree. Compare Gal 3:13.

Continue your lie JaNosense.
people who can swallow it are in your hall

The Jewish custom is to execute a criminal on a stake.
A pole is a stake NOT a cross.
A pole is made of wood, hence called a tree.

Provide your source on this, shameless lying liar. When evidence for crucifixion has been found.

The Jews have ZERO connection to pagan cross.
Fact backed by holy Scriptures

Liar like your father the devil.

Read the work of this Greek archaeologist and Biblical Archaeology author Vassilios Tzaferis.

At least he is a Jewish you can't accuse him of dancing to Christian crucifixion story.

"Before examining the osteological evidence, I should say a little about crucifixion. Many people erroneously assume that crucifixion was a Roman invention. In fact, Assyrians, Phoenicians and Persians all practiced crucifixion during the first millennium B.C. Crucifixion was introduced in the west from these eastern cultures; it was used only rarely on the Greek mainland, but Greeks in Sicily and southern Italy used it more frequently, probably as a result of their closer contact with Phoenicians and Carthaginians...Using this historical background and the archaeological evidence, it is possible to reconstruct the crucifixion of the man whose bones I excavated at Giv‘at ha-Mivtar. The most dramatic evidence that this young man was crucified was the nail which penetrated his heel bones. But for this nail, we might never have discovered that the young man had died in this way. The nail was preserved only because it hit a hard knot when it was pounded into the olive wood upright of the cross. The olive wood knot was so hard that, as the blows on the nail became heavier, the end of the nail bent and curled. We found a bit of the olive wood (between 1 and 2 cm) on the tip of the nail. This wood had probably been forced out of the knot where the curled nail hooked into it."

You can read the full publication HERE

I know you'll still reject this archeological evident nor your lying liar organization will let you members know that there's a great evidence like this about cross. Well you don't need to but evidence of CROSS is there.

MaxInDHouse:
Christians are people who often organize their members to go visiting neighbours in other to reason along with them sharing the same line of thought regarding God and His righteousness! Matthew 10:11-13
Those threatening their neighbours are not Christians! Now there are different types of threat, some use force others go psychological by telling those who refuse to agree with them that their God will torture infidels forever. All these are means of THREAT!

See delusion definition

But you said at the beginning of this thread that Islam and JWs are the only groups in the world that their members have the same line of thought.

That should make them a Christian too

That highlighted is very funny, only if you know how it perfectly describes your organization because the last time I check it, your organization claimed anyone who doesn't belong to their organization will be destroyed in Armageddon.

What is the difference between destroying people forever and torturing people forever?

Hypocrite

I have been with the intelligence and i'm telling you now that there are millions claiming Christians out there working as thugs or hired assassins for politicians.

Lying liar intelligence officer, as if he's the only intelligence officer in the whole Nigeria not to even talk of the world.

The point has been TERRORIZING PEOPLE ALL OVER THE WORLD.

The fact that they're not perpetrating such evil under the banner of religion doesn't make their religion better than others!

Just as the evil being perpetrated by members of JWs don't make their religion better than others.

History revealed that Allah is a god in the Arab World just like other gods in other lands

What does this have to do with the thread

now when some pick up weapons against their fellowman saying they're fighting for their god sound preposterous the real motive behind such moves is not about any deity (god) rather it's a means to dominate others which still boils down to the same point "POLITICS"

If that's what politics entail then it means Jws is also politically motivated because they too are claiming dominance.

ANTIlSLAM:
If those threatening their neighbours are not Christians as you said, WHO ARE THOSE THREATENING AND TERRORIZING THE WORLD PEACE? Are they Christians or NON-CHRISTIANS? No super story please

You won't see him answer all your questions simply because he is confused.

Notice that he once said at the beginning of this thread that JWs and Islam are the ONLY group in this world that their members have the same LINE OF THOUGHT but see the same person now saying Christian must have the same line of thought.

I will keep on explosing your ignorant, I am not discussing Thugs or hiring assassin with you but Terrorists terrorizing the world peace under the instructions of allah and Muhammad. I asked you to name any Christians terrorist group you know terrorizing the world peace as at today lobatan?

You know how to grill him very well.

He brought politics into the discussion in other to rope other Christians into his lies by justifying Islam through the deceit of his lips.

Unfortunately, everything keeps bouncing back on him

Those Islamic terrorist groups I listed above, can you proof it that they are all under political influences? Only Muslims are agents of terrorism, are Christians not active in Politics, why are Christians not terrorizing the world peace at large? Why only Muslims. Do you know that All terrorist groups members are Muslims

He can't answer because the name Christian that has been polluted which is while Jehovah gave them another (but they can't still do without claiming the name) must be condemned by all means, that's the reason you see him trying to place Christian and Islam together with his tiny brain.

Lovenorth:
Half bread is better than non, 5k is enough for a serious minded person to start a business, learn to criticise and at least appreciate opposition

@underlined is the statement the evil politicians have been using to deceive people like you.

"5k is ENOUGH for a serious minded person to start a business"

Please can you write a comprehensive business plan on a business that 5k can start?

No wonder this country is in shamble as it is today.

I think this should be sufficient for you, though it's just a part of an article about BIBLICAL CONSUMMATION.

You can read the very insightful article HERE

delzbaba:
Good morning christians in the house, i observed that my new neighbours attend service on saturdays and not Sundays on further enquiries i discovered they attend a Sabath church i don't really know the full name of the church. Also with my little knowledge of the Bible i know christians are told the keep the sabath or 7th
day holy and for rest, now here is my question, if Sunday is the first day of the week, then Saturday is actually the real seventh or sabath day.
Can any theology inclined person here enlighten us?

Do not think that I have come to ABOLISH the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to ABOLISH them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Matthew 5:17-18

The Lord Jesus doesn’t abolish the Hebrew Bible, but perfectly fulfills it in his life and teachings. What the Lord Jesus was basically telling the people is that the Hebrew Bible was specifically revealed in such a way so as to find its true meaning and completion in the Messiah’s work and interpretation of it.

The Law and the Prophets are now subsumed and consummated in the Gospel of God’s kingdom as proclaimed in the life, ministry, death and resurrection of the King himself, the Lord Jesus.

"For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes." Romans 10:1-4

Christ is the focal point of the Law, the very One who consummates the Law as he brings it to its completion and fulfillment.

"Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith." Galatians 3:24

The Law was designed to lead us to Christ, its true fulfillment.

It is clear from the foregoing that the view of the New Testament(NT) writers is that the Hebrew Scriptures were deliberately designed by God to foreshadow Christ and his Church. The Old Testament(OT) Scriptures contained shadows, types, analogies, and copies of spiritual realities that awaited the coming of Christ. OT peoples, places, events and things were deliberately designed to be copies of a far greater spiritual reality, with Christ manifesting that reality through his fulfillment of it. The NT Scriptures are basically the record of how Christ unveiled the spiritual reality underlying the OT revelation:

Sabbath Observance

Old Testament Precedence

God had commanded the Israelites to observe a Sabbath day, to make the seventh day one of rest where they abstained from labor. This command made it even into the Ten Commandments, as the fourth one (cf. Exod 20:8 ). God based this model of rest on the fact that he too had stopped his work of creation on the seventh day since it had been completed:

"Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God finished his work that he had done, and he rested on the seventh day from all his work that he had done. So God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it God rested from all his work that he had done in creation." Genesis 2:1-3

"You are to speak to the people of Israel and say, ‘Above all you shall keep my Sabbaths, for this is a SIGN between me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I, the LORD, sanctify you. You shall keep the Sabbath, because it is holy for you. Everyone who profanes it shall be put to death. Whoever does any work on it, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day shall be put to death. Therefore the people of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, observing the Sabbath throughout their generations, as a covenant forever. It is a SIGN FOREVER between me and the people of Israel that in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested and was refreshed.’" Exodus 31:13-17

Consummation in the New Testament

Israel’s Sabbath observance, which was modeled after God’s own Sabbath, was intended to point to a greater spiritual rest. Just as God had rested from his work of creation and entered into an eternal Sabbath, a day which continues for all eternity, believers are to rest from trying to merit their righteousness through observing the Law and trust in Christ’s perfect righteousness. Once a believer truly trusts in the Lord Jesus he enters into God’s own Sabbath whereby he no longer has to merit his justification since he has been given the promise of eternal life:

"Therefore, while the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us fear lest any of you should seem to have failed to reach it. For the Gospel came to us just as to them, but the message they heard did not benefit them, because they were not united by faith with those who listened. For we who have believed enter that rest, as he has said, ‘As I swore in my wrath, "They shall not enter my rest,"’ although his works were finished from the foundation of the world. For he has somewhere spoken of the seventh day in this way: ‘And God rested on the seventh day from all his works.’ And again in this passage he said, ‘They shall not enter my rest.’ Since therefore it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly received the Gospel failed to enter because of disobedience, again he appoints a certain day, ‘Today,’ saying through David so long afterward, in the words already quoted, ‘Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts.’ For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken of another day later on. So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God, for whoever HAS ENTERED GOD'S REST has also rested from his works as God did from his. Let us therefore strive to enter that rest, so that no one may fall by the same sort of disobedience." Hebrews 4:1-11

Again, since the reality has come:

"Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ." Colossians 2:16-17

As Christ himself taught:

"And he said to them, ‘The sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath; so the Son of man is lord even of the sabbath.’" Mark 2:27-28

Why would anyone want to return to the copy or shadow of things?

Nice points up there!

The next coming inventions that we are going to experience are:

1. SC MagLev Train: it'll be launched in Japan by 2023 it can reach 660km/h. The most astonished part of this invention is that it has no TRACKS rather it fly that is when it's in right speed, it doesn't stay on anything thou only use its tire for low speed operation.

2. Generation of Electricity using Stirling invention: the engine that operates based on two different temperaturesl cold & hot. A single satellite dish size which converted sun ray into energy to power the engine can generate huge 1.5megawatt of electricity was produced in 2010 later abandoned because research is still on going to know if there's any environmental effect it can create but if this can be settled, it means we don't need billions of dollars to get power plant anymore.

Successdude:
Would the end product of an extension of the production line be sold or it'll need to be transported to some final assemblage point where other parts from other extensions would be brought and then form a complete product of which can be termed as complete to be sold ?

The point I'm trying to make is MANUFACTURING of industrial machine in a modular part which will lead to industrial revolution in Nigeria.

That is we look at a particular industrial production line and have them manufactured in segments then one group will be for final assemblage but the end product (that is the final assemblage) can now be purchased by those people who want to establish a company that required such machine.

For instance, a tomato paste production line some people will like to venture into the business but because the machine(s) required for standard production is(are) very costly, it limits seeing such company everywhere in the country which means if you don't have strong finance you can't start a company like that but with this idea many people can now open a factory producing tomato paste which in turn will lead to massive production.

Janosky:
Emusan deliberately adds "PLACE" to his misquote to DECEIVE this forum.

That should be a typo because even the word has no meaning there nor perverted the verse as your demonic translation does.

There are 3 different renditions of that line in different manuscripts.
Mr LIENUS,Your rendition is NOT authentic.

Oponu JaNosense that is Young Literal Translation which is more authentic than your demonic translation.

Emusan says Acts 20:28 is NOT the God, Father of Jesus Christ, @John 20:17.
Acts 20:28 references his 2nd God.
Emusan LIENUS confesses he is a Polytheist worshipping 2 Gods.

If it's the God the Father of Jesus Christ, why didn't your demonic translation use JEHOVAH THERE So that your father the devil will be put to shame

Your Trinitarian mentor, Bill Mounce did the same thing.

Which means Bill Mounce translation is more authentic than your NWT

Severe pain for you always

Another of your Trinitarian mentor, Good News Translation did the same thing as NWT.

Which means not ONLY NWT is more accurate

Besides, do you agree with Good News Translation on John 1:1 and other verses that negate your demonic translation?

Only Jehovah knows the version outside your demonic translation that you haven't called their witnesses to support your lying doctrine despite the fact that you never believe those translations are accurate

So much for the lying liar JWs like his father the devil.

Complete Jewish Bible did so too.

Which means Complete Jewish Bible is accurate, do you agree with that?

You'll see the oponu changing mouth now

According to your logic,is Bill Mounce , Good News Translation & complete Jewish Bible "demonic"?

According to your logic, are Bill Mounce, Good News Translation & Complete Jewish Bible not accurate? Why do you take NWT over them?

Hypocrite, who will run to the so called TRINITARIAN BIBLE to support his demonic translation when in actual sense he doesn't regard the same translations.

Like I always tell you, you can keep doing your hide and seek & jumping from different commentaries to Bible translations of the so called TRINITARIAN to support your demonic translation, it won't change the fact that the devil is the inspired force behind that translation.

The same way, your brothers in bethel were twisting Metzger work to support their lying doctrines before he came out openly to stop them of misinterpreting his work for their selfishness.

Janosky:
Romans 8:32 = Acts 20:28 His own Son

When you already agreed that His own Son is NOT 100% accurate, you still went ahead to support the same inaccurate quote with another verse, isn't that self delusion?

Have you taken your Doctor's prescription lately?
Anger & bigotry not good for your health.

Lying liar JWs like your father the devil.

Just as hypocrisy is ruining your life

Shame on you, Mr LIENUS.[/b]

Shame on you lying liar JWs hypocrite.

Janosky:
Source:Quora
By :Arthur Paul Burton, Spiritual Minister.

you can read the “New World Translation” which is put out by the Watchtower here: https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/acts/20/

Here is their explanation for including the word “Son” when that exact word does not appear in the Greek.

At least you know that the Greek manuscript doesn't contain the word "Son" that makes it a fraudulent insertion by who ever put it in their translation

Also, do you listen to other translations' reason why some certain words were inserted into their own translations, or you think only your demonic organization have explanation for inserting anything into the scripture? Hypocrite!

“with the blood of his own Son: Lit., “through the blood of the own (one).” Grammatically, the Greek expression could be translated “with the blood of his own” or “with his own blood,” so the context has to be taken into consideration.

This is the most delusional statement.
Firstly, the phrase lit: "through the blood of the own place (one)"

Is in reference to "...of God, the Lord" mentioned earlier.

Here is the YLT of that verse `Take heed, therefore, to yourselves, and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit made you overseers, to feed the assembly of God that He acquired through His own blood,

But your demonic translation knows that leaving that verse without insertion of "SON" will make Jesus to be God since the Father wasn't the one who shield blood and the reason why your translation silent on using Jehovah in place of THE LORD in that verse.

In Greek, the expression ho iʹdi·os (“his own”) could stand alone without a clarifying noun or pronoun, as seen by how it is rendered at Joh 1:11 (“his own home”); at Joh 13:1 (“his own”); at Ac 4:23 (“their own people”); and at Ac 24:23 (“his people”). In non-Biblical Greek papyri, the phrase is used as a term of endearment to refer to close relatives. A reader of this verse would logically understand from the context that a noun in the singular number is implied after the expression “his own” and that the noun referred to God’s only-begotten Son, Jesus Christ, whose blood was shed. Based on this, quite a number of scholars and translators acknowledge that the word “son” is to be understood here and render the phrase “with the blood of his own Son.”

So why didn't NWT allow the phrase to stand on it's own rather than adding to it

We know if that word stands alone, it will expose your lying organization more because it's obvious that "the LORD, OF GOD" is the one reference in that verse as shielding his blood.

As you can see, the Watchtower is not the only one to translate it that way.

Which then means NWT translation isn't the ONLY ACCURATE TRANSLATIONS out there.

This is getting interesting

It is their view and some other translators views, that there is a family relation implied in the Greek.

These other translations, are they consider by your demonic organization as accurate or they only find this particular part true because it only dance to their tune

However, let’s say the The Watchtower understanding is correct, that the Greek for “his own” implies a close relation, even a family relation.

Meaning not only watchtower understand the Greek text and can interpret it accurately.

In their notes they acknowledge that it literally doesn’t say “son” but “His own (one).”

Which then means Jesus is God because "His own" is in reference to "The Lord or of God"

I respect that honesty! [/i]They say- here is what it literally says, and here is what we think the literal meaning is pointing towards[/b]

Are they the ONLY translator who put FOOTNOTE in their translations? So you respect them just because it's the organization you belong to but see others that did the same as fraudster

[i]Then from my POV including son, is not 100% accurate… but leaving it just as “his own” isn’t either.

This part needs to be bookmarked for agreed that it's not 100% but don't be ashamed to call the translator of NWT "fraudulent insertion" as you do call others for doing the same thing.



Leaving it as "his own" is very accurate that's why reading that verse in translations that don't including the word SON makes more sense because the verse is simply talking about "OF GOD" who shields His own blood.

I would say, “His own kin.”

You still added to it....you this fraudster!


Read the verse slowly again as YLT puts it then you'll know you don't need any insertion.

`Take heed, therefore, to yourselves, and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit made you overseers, to feed the assembly of God that He acquired through His own blood,

It's only a liar and fraudster will see the reason of adding anything to the last part.

MaxInDHouse:
The first highlighted:

I purposely bring up the Covid19 case to prove that there is nothing like divine miraculous works today! 1Corinthians 13:8-10
So Jehovah's Witnesses don't preach miracles rather we preach about God's Kingdom that's coming to solve all mankind's problems once and for all! Matthew 6:10

Liar! Did I expect you to say otherwise?

So why bringing divine miraculous issue on this thread when the thread is about Jesus not Angel Michael?

Anyway, if not because your hypocrisy was exposed you won't have changed mouth.

The second highlighted:

I Maximus never tag you (Emusan) an apostate NO! I know the apostates on this forum after few discussions with them. But you are simply one of numerous stubborn misinformed churchgoers. The only reason why i stopped chatting with you is because you accused me falsely and when i demanded for an apology so that we can continue chatting you promised to bring in the EVIDENCE so i'm still waiting for either the EVIDENCE or the APOLOGY any of the two will do!

You haven't but some of your deluded brothers once called me an apostates on this forum because of the way I was refuting their watchtower lies thinking I was once a watchtower follower, anyway since you're just a baby here.

The Maximumu is still asking for apology you'll wait tired. You should know if I didn't see that on your profile I won't say it, you can do your research about me on this forum. This month makes it my 9 years on this forum with just ONLY ONE MONIKER, so you can continue to rant Mr Ponzi scheme promoter.

Like I said, I'm not interested in your chatting, how many times will I knocked that into your empty skull?

MaxInDHouse:
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This life Sha!

Now i know why the black race is a failure!
How can a complainant tell an accused to help find the exhibit to nail himself!

You well so?

Thank Jehovah you're also part of the black race which means you're a failure too.

Simple question is what you're still unable to answer.

All is well, are you well too?

Ponzi scheme promoter

freshboi88:
I have seen u insult people here, so u can't hide under light..your sheep covering is gone.

So answer the question

Does Jehovah know all things ?

That's one thing about the hypocrite!

He always trying to present himself as decent and good person when his post and abusive words littering on Nairaland and that's the reason he was surprised that I know about the thread he created promoting get rich quick scheme before he deleted that account.

freshboi88:
As in gbas gbos everywhere..............their father the devil in wailing in hell right now because his children are been battered by children of light

You get it.

Imagine, Mr Ponzi scheme promoter trying to use the line of Covid19 as a means of God is against other religions when JWs have more casualty than everyone else.

When they cooked lies for them inside that hall like other churchgoers don't know scripture like they do but when they come across people who put their lies on fire and met it down, you will see them tagging people apostates and will try to avoid such people.

MaxInDHouse:
Chai!
Is this how you swallow people's words hook line and sinker WITHOUT PROOF?
And i thought you can win all cases with this your reputation as the Current Argument Winner o!

If you're being truthful to yourself answer this question.

What was the title of the first two topics your created with your deleted moniker Maxmus69 on Nairaland?

You created just four topics with that moniker and the posts on it were over 10,000 to tell you I know what I'm saying.

Janosky:
Did you see exclamation sign (!) in your quote?
That's a proof your claim is FALSE.

Liar like your father the devil.

Thomas called Jesus My Lord and My God


I know if possible for your demonic organization they'd have removed that in their fraud translation.

Why did you stop @ verse 29?
LIENUS Bishop, did John chapter 20 end at verse 29?

John 20 Verses 30-31, believe that Jesus is who?
You will gain what?

Believe that Jesus is the Son of God you'll have eternal life.

So we can see that it's not by belonging to a group or organization that will grant you eternal life but SIMPLY BELIEVE.

Secondly, not by believing that Jesus is Angel Michael too

The fraud master is getting pained left and right