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Barristter07:
Philippians relate to APPEARANCE. Unless you can say he took the inherent features and characteristic of his brothers. There was NO sin in him. Not the same qualities. Jesus exist in God's appearance , then later exist in human Appearance. This human appearance enable him to die. You can't nail a spirit body. You can only nail a flesh subjected to the law of physical world with blood running through it's Vein. To burst your bubble further. If he wasn't forcefully killed, he can live forever on Earth as a young man. He is not subject to aging or sickness which eventually lead to death of his brothers

You haven't answered my questions.

Barristter07:
Do you give someone the authority and power they already possess ?

Oponu....

Wasn't the scripture said Jesus set it aside which is in confirmation with the prophecy of Daniel?

Read the highlighted, you seem do be sleeping when typing that.

Again Christ has no authority before coming to earth.

I'm not it's you who was drunk in deep sleep while reading it.


He is the authority. So you cry back to your father the devil who actually wants to snatch the same authority through back door

Barristter07:
This is the meaning of Nature .

Nature meaning

" the basic or inherent features, character, or qualities of something . "

Do you accept the inherent features and character/qualities are not the same with his brother's ?

The second option is that which relate to form/appearance.

I asked a question that time which I even emphasize that you shouldn't turn your blind eyes to, yet you did and now come back to spew thrashes.

Why was Jesus' body was able to take the sin of the whole world, if His body isn't prone to sin and the same with his brothers?

Lemme add this, why was the body able to die if it's not the same with his brothers?

Phil 2:6 again confirmed that Jesus is exactly God by having the same nature. No how you can twist that.

Barristter07:
Daniel 7:14 spoke about Authority given to him, was that something he already has or a prophecy ?

You said it's a prophecy connected his life as human.

Which means prior to being human, Jesus doesn't have any authority.

So don't be mentioning incarnation, Christ possess no authority before coming to earth in the first place .

Lol...

See ignorance!

Daniel 7 is about the Messianic prophecy which is what the Messiah will do and accomplished as in His HUMAN NATURE not WHO THE MESSIAH is before coming to earth.

Olodo....

Anyway, 1 John 1:2 again from your darling translation CEV: The one who gives life appeared! We saw it happen, and we are witnesses to what we have seen. Now we are telling you about this eternal life that was with the Father and appeared to us.

Barristter07:
The point is there is no sin in him which is not the same for his brother's. Sin lives in them. So they do not possess the same quality.

If I call you oponu now, it'll look like insult.

Sin lives in them doesn't MEANS THE HAVE DIFFERENT NATURE. They still both human.

Now back to the verse that said Made like them in every way, This Difference you highlighted made it clear that Form of servant talk about was a reference to appearance. Not the servants sinful nature.

He was made like His brother.in every way that is THERE'S NOTHING THAT MAKE SOMEONE HUMAN that wasn't in Christ the same thing Phil 2:6 talked about.

If you refer to the qualities - his brothers were born into sin, with nothing good living in them, sin rules, and he must be like them too in every way.

You still don't get it!

Barristter07:
Before coming to earth, you already proved he has no authority. So your point is baseless. And when he came to earth He can't give life until the Father entrust all judgement to him.

He still rely on someone else authority

Where did I prove the @underlined

Lying liar looking for a way out, I understand

Barristter07:
" And you know that Jesus came to take away our sins, and there is no sin in him. " 1John 3:5


His brothers :

" And I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature " Romans 7:17

If Jesus had a body prone to sin it means there is sin in him just like his brother's .

The scripture clearly said There is no sin inside of him. Christ didnt inherit sinful nature. Emusan lie lie.

I've showed you why there's no sin in Him because that was the Father' place of dwelling to accomplish the redemption work.

If Jesus was not prone to sin, why was it be able to take the sin of the whole world?

Don't turn blind eyes to that question.

So the Expression made like his brother's In Every way was only to their appearance. Not their sinful NATURE be in which they were conceived . As for Christ there is no sin inside of him like his brother's

I've explained this several times just that your blocked head refused to grab it.

We human are only sin during our lifetime but our NATURE only make it possible because it's prone to sin and evil.

So what God did was to create a body prone to sin and death BUT IMMEDIATELY TOOK OVER IT before it get corrupted by way of living then when the time comes to accomplish its(the body) purpose, the God left it so that it can be prone to sin.

I know my explanation is so straight forward but because your father the Devil lives in you, you won't accept.

Barristter07:
All judgement was entrusted to him remember ? This is why he could give Life after judging someone Worthing of it.

He was given that authority.

You know that's all about His earthly mission because Jesus is the one who gives life and the very ETERNAL LIFE. 1 John 1:2

CEV: The one who gives life appeared! We saw it happen, and we are witnesses to what we have seen. Now we are telling you about this eternal life that was with the Father and appeared to us.

Barristter07:
[s]Like me tell what Exactly the nature of his brothers represent.[/s]

Just twisting

They were conceived in sin

Born into sin.

They are not perfect in anyway.

Jesus had the same things

Was Jesus Made like them in every way their nature was formed ?

Yes! But was only empowered to overcome them.

No. He wasn't conceived in sin, he was a perfect person. Which is brothers are not.

Conceived in sin means to inherit the corrupted nature of Adam which is for the body to prone to sin and death.

Jesus was perfect because GOD MAKES USE OF HIS BODY.

He feels weak, hungry, YET never speak of his own words because the FATHER LIVES IN HIM.

Clearly the " Every way " he was made like his brother's is not the nature they were born into, but their appearance.

So what is the reason the FATHER LIVES IN HIM?

The only time the Father left that body is when He took the SIN OF THE WHOLE WORLD.

When I say you people lack scriptural understanding, you'll think I'm joking.

Barristter07:
Made Like his brother's in every way , his brother's inherit sinful nature with their flesh, Did he do the same in every way?

Lemme give you Bible study again.

Yes Jesus inherited sinful nature by this I mean a nature PRONE TO DEATH AND SIN reason why He died but for perfect sacrifice The same nature doesn't need to sin which is why God made use of the body.

It's very obvious you are stuck! The text is simply about Appearance which is what I meant by exactly human. That is , Appearance of humans , if you say appearance of God. It would have been clearer

Not appearance but EXACTLY OF WHAT THE NATURE IS which is the reason why you're changing mouth about what you first said.

Again CEV: Christ was truly God. But he did not try to remain equal with God.

Was CEV translation wrong or not as you claimed NLT wrong?

Barristter07:
Which of the God, ?

Yahweh, Zeus, ?

Your 8 men in Brooklyn

Barristter07:
Matt 4:10 refer to who ?

God

Barristter07:
I guess you are stuck?

Made like his brother's IN EVERY WAY

Silly you was saying holy spirit make him Different which contradict the verse.

Made like his brother's in EVERY WAY.

Either this refer only to their appearance or the brothers evil nature in flesh and imperfections

If not because you're silly, you'll read where the scripture says Jesus was TEMPTED in every way YET without sin.

Which means Jesus is PURE HUMAN that prone to the same sin because of OUR HUMAN NATURE but He couldn't sin because the body is a house for God.

Get it straight into your dull skull, sin and evil doesn't make human human but because we have human nature.

But the point here is that just as you said Jesus shared human nature and makes Him EXACTLY human likewise Jesus is EXACTLY God for having God's nature.

CEV: Christ was truly God. But he did not try to remain equal with God.

Barristter07:
Read his statement at Matthew 4:10 . It will remove the wool over your eyes on who owns the sacred service

This is Jesus statement in Matt 4:10 "Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only."

But Jesus is God!

Barristter07:
Text said God and the Lamb ( two persons ) . Then said offer him ... Should that not tell a right thinking person that offer him is reffering to one person and not two ?

So which one is the text talking about?

Barristter07:
The Bible ascribe him that title. And the Bible is correct. Show me where Jesus claimed to be the Creator either ?

Where is the verse?

Barristter07:
So the verse is wrong, he is made Different from his brother's whom inherit sin ?

If after my explanation you couldn't grab that point it's not my fault blame your wacked brain.

Barristter07:
No rebuttal ? You can only have a point if you say Ehud being a savior is a lie because Jehovah has claimed that. Why could Jehovah claim Ehuds victory as His own ? He owns the power behind it.

Shows me where Ehud claimed to be ISREAL PERSONAL SAVIOR is my first question, which you close your blind eyes to.

Barristter07:
You are confirming it again. If he was made like his brother's in their very nature, he would be a sinner like all descendants of Adam. This shows he only become like them in appearance . Once again, His brothers are NOT perfect, they are sinners. He wasn't made like them in that very nature. Only their appearance

Jesus was made PURE HUMAN that's why He had HUMAN nature but The Holy Spirit in Him didn't allow sin and evil to tainted that NATURE.

So Jesus is GOD according to Phil 2:6

He's still dodging from CEV translation

Barristter07:
Jehovah could claim he is Isreals saviour despite Ehud does the Job because Ehud cannot be successful without his power. Jehovah's claim to stretch the heavens by himself follow the same, Without his powerful spirit no one can stretch the heavens .

See lies!

When you're done battling with that verse lemme know

Barristter07:
That shows he doesn't have any authority until the prophecy is fulfilled. He lack any authority before coming to earth.


Thank you for that admission

See the ignorance I'm talking about.

Daniel 7 is a prophecy of what the Messiah Will do and accomplished.

Thanks for displaying your ignorance.

Barristter07:
It's pure appearance. Here is a text that confirms it.

Hebrews 2:14 partake flesh and blood

Verse 17 " For this reason He had to be made like His brothers in every way, "

In every way, His brothers are sinners , Was he made that way too ?

It's not appearance which is the reason you couldn't say anything about CEV translation

Jesus was made in every way like his BROTHERS which is what make us HUMAN even thou it's our nature that paves way for sin and evil.

So Jesus is GOD according to Phil 2:6 for having the very nature that makes God God.

Sin and evil is what human acquired in their lifetime which is why Jesus couldn't sin nor do evil.

I've told you to stop lying.

Barristter07:
[s]Ehud is Isreals saviour

Jehovah is Isreals saviour

Which is wrong or correct in this two statement ?[/s]

"NOG: Yahweh reclaimed you. He formed you in the womb. This is what Yahweh says: I, Yahweh, made everything. I stretched out the heavens by myself. I spread out the earth all alone."

Is Jehovah lying that HE stretched out heavens BY MYSELF and spread out the earth ALL ALONE?

Show us where Ehud PERSONALLY claim to be ISREAL saviour.

Barristter07:
Clearly this means he never had any real authority until he came to earth. Simple Daniel 7:14.

Daniel is about His earthly mission, it's a PROPHECY

It really shows. As nobody exist in his image. You really have sense.

Another diversion!

Like I explain earlier the word " see" is a continuation of the statement " not of his own accord " . It simply means Jesus rely on the Fathers power to do anything. This is why creation was never said to be Jesus sons and daughters. And neither is anyone made in his image

He relied on His Father power after setting aside His NATURE of God. I've said that earlier.

Human are made in the image of God.

Jesus is that VERY IMAGE OF GOD.

Barristter07:
" God sent his Son in the form of sinful flesh "
Romans 8:3

This is the form of servant talked about . Yet Jesus didn't take the core sin associated with that nature , ONLY the appearance.

Sin and Evil don't make us human.

You already said, Jesus became EXACTLY HUMAN which is what that verse was all about.

Jesus is EXACTLY GOD for having God's nature.

The Bible said he becomes a sharer of flesh and blood.

That's OUR NATURE

The logic applies to Form of God. This doesn't refer in this context to mean he is everything like God. But rather exist in his appearance

He is EVERYTHING OF GOD. CEV is another confirmed version

Once again, the text is all about Appearance

Not appearance stop the lies if not Jesus won't laid that ASIDE.

KNOWMORE56:
"So what are the THINGS Jesus sees the Father doing that Jesus can do also?"

Which of them will answer... lol

They always avoid that question.

I have many questions for them but they don't answer questions... except copying their organization answers and paste here.

This issue of worship that maxInDHouse and his fellow worshipper of watch Tower, barristter07, are talking about is the Word...

By the way, I have similar question about this "Jesus is created"

They claim it is Jesus speaking in Proverbs 8.

Since He is the only Being created by the Father, and the speaker in Proverbs 8 says:

Proverbs 8:26 "KJV: While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.
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KJV: When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:
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KJV: When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:
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KJV: When he gave to the sea his decree, [b/] that the waters should not pass his commandment: [b] when he appointed the foundations of the earth:

Who is this He, is it Jesus speaking of the Father or another being speaking of Jesus, "the creator of all other things"?

cc: Janosky, maxInDHouse, canticles, captivator,barristter07,haddeylium, peacefulworld01,tamyfire, fengchui...

I have used this same Proverb 8 to proof that YAHWEH does The creation by HIMSELF has Isaiah 44:24 says "NOG
Yahweh reclaimed you. He formed you in the womb. This is what Yahweh says: I, Yahweh, made everything. I stretched out the heavens by myself. I spread out the earth all alone."

To claim another being was the one who did it is to call this glorious verse fraud which means the scripture is false.

Barristter07:
So if he does exactly what the Father does automatically, why does he need to be given permission/authority ?

because Christ has already laid aside that authority Phil 2:6 so in His incarnation He simply rely on His Father.

Show me one thing Christ does that he wasn't given authority to do ?

He created you and the whole universe without taking permission from anyone.

Can you show me where Jesus sees the Father PERFORMING THE ACT OF CREATION that makes Jesus does the same?

To share in the Divine nature does not mean to possess ?

It depends on the context.

Barristter07:
Form of God = Spirit

Form of servant = Fleshly body.

The context of that verse simply refer to the appearance in which he exist.

To drive my point : Jesus take the form of servant and become exactly like humans. But without sharing the defects and other human evil qualities. The take the very nature of humans he came to save will mean he inherit sin like them


The text is all about Appearance.

You'll keep twisting your mouth.

He quoted NLT you said, it's wrong but when I showed you how your favorite version put it, you're changing tune.

You even implicate yourself by saying "Jesus take the form of servant and become EXACTLY like humans."

Which you know what that verse is saying is Jesus has the very nature that makes God God.

Sin & evil are not NATURE stop lying.

If Sin & evil are NATURE it means Devil is now human or the people who will inherit earth aren't complete in their nature since sin and evil won't be found in them.

Barristter07:
It has always been like that. Jesus needed permission to do what the Father does. That's the point. It's not automatic, even when he saw the Father doing something, he still needed to be given authority to do so.

That's not the point, it's yours!

Christ does EXACTLY what the Father does!

Does Daniel 7:14 sound like incarnation to you ?

Daniel 7:14 is still talking about Christ's mission as human

So equal by nature right ?

Equality on the basis of nature is one the Most Silly argument by your branch of Trinity. That means humans sharing God's nature are equal with God too.

Human can't possess the nature that makes God, God but Christ exists in that VERY NATURE.

Barristter07:
NLT was wrong Mr , Ever since you used capitalization to justify a point , I Know you lack how this things work.

Now NTL is wrong because it simply didn't support your assertion but KJv is right, right

Do

The text said " Form of God "

Form means nature of God, his form, His spirit form, his Divine nature.

That doesn't mean he is God, cos angels also have the same form of God as Spirits and humans will share the same form as Divine nature's. It doesn't mean someone is God himself, it's only saying Christ despite existing in God's Form [nature] . Didn't think about Equality with God. He knows his Father is superior as his God and creator.

See twisting!

It's like saying, something has HUMAN NATURE and that thing isn't HUMAN....very pathetic.

If that verse is talking about THE VERY NATURE OF GOD and you claim Angel possesses that, it means Angels are God too because what that verse is talking about is having the very NATURE THAT MAKES GOD, GOD!

And we know that Angels don't have what makes God, God but Jesus said to have it.

This is how your beloved CEV put it.

CEV: Christ was truly God. But he did not try to remain equal with God.

Now the time to deny CEV has come

Barristter07:
The text said :
“Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of his own accord , but only what he sees the Father doing. For whatever the Father does, that the Son does likewise. "

The whole point of the Text is Jesus can't do anything without BEEN GRANTED AUTHORITY to do it.

You only make that POINT of the text.

The point of the text is "...For whatever the Father does, that the Son does likewise."

For example Jesus sees the Father forgiving sins. He can only do this UNTIL the Father gave him the authority to do so.

Yes! In His incarnation

Superiority

Of course the Father is superior to Jesus in ranking, nobody deny that.

freshboi88:
Liar it did say so.

Jesus gave them this answer: “Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does.


So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of his own accord, but only what he sees the Father doing. For whatever the Father does, that the Son does likewise.

I know even with it in bold, d scales in your eyes will not allow u see it. But it is there no matter the lies u tell..even your NWT couldn't hide it.

So that's the question...How is Jesus able to do whatever the Father can do ?

Another interesting questions for the 8 men worshippers would be, they claim Jehovah created Jesus first and used the same Jesus to create all other things.

So what are the THINGS Jesus sees the Father doing that Jesus can do also?

Having it in mind that the Father ONLY created Jesus.