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kingxsamz:
lol, this guy. You're still on this?
I thought I shut you up already.

See how you're priding in your ignorance when it's so obvious to people here that you don't even understand the OP.

You can't make use of a logic and select what part of the logic that suits your agenda. The owner of Nairaland is bound by the rules on Nairaland in terms of commenting, posting, creating threads. Even his account was created. His site can still be attacked. The government can still shut down his website, he can't post without clicking the buttons. I'm sure you can't apply the same logic for your god. Your thread is a lost cause. Rest in Jesus name.

That's why I keep wondering how the people who always PARADING THEMSELVES as having highest IQ than religious people usually making use of this IQ.

Even though, you point is out of the OP but to grant it, YES! I can apply the same logic to my God.

You people always want God to REVEAL HIMSELF but how can God do this in His ALMIGHTINESS and human will understand Him?

That's why like SEUN (clicking reply button, creating account e.t.c to be part of Nairaland as HAVING THE ADMIN ACCESS) God also took part in His creation:

1. By becoming a Human to take away sin
2. He appeared to Abraham in form of Man
3. He eat food that human being eats e.t.c

But just like some one said above, you didn't understand the OP, so I don't need to say much.

Janosky:
Sifia pained WAILER
Genesis 16:7 Amplified Bible.
Before you were born your Trinitarian mentors have known that Jesus Christ is an angel of the Lord, Jehovah.
ALL angels whether Gabriel, Jesus Christ the Archangel Michael are Angels of the Lord, Yahweh.
1 Corinthians 3:23, Jesus Christ belongs to who?

It's now Amplified Bible not Geneva Bible again

Your ranting is just so sweet.

So ALL ANGELS are called Angels of the Lord but your brother with the same line of thought still asking how we can unravel the identity of the same Angel of Jehovah who spoke like Jehovah in the Old Testament.

One of the seventh wonders of deluded JWs


Still no where Jesus Christ was called Micheal.

Janosky:
Daniel 10:13, Jesus Christ is Archangel Michael.
Genesis 3:15, the seed defeats the serpent.
Revelation 12:7-9,who is the seed? Who is the serpent? Who defeated the serpent?
1 John 3:8, who defeats the devil?

Matthew 26:53, how many angels does Jehovah have?
@ Acts 5:19, is that angel of Jehovah the person of Jesus Christ?

@ Acts 12:11,23, is that angel of JEHOVAH the person of Jesus Christ?

Angels of Jehovah are myriads of myriads.
Very many Legions of them.

As usual pilling up Mumbo Jumbo.

To your dull skull, Luke identy the Angel of the Lord to be Gabriel, do you need primary school pupil to explain that to you?

Anyways, no scripture yet that says Jesus is Michael but the scripture says Gabriel is Angel of Jehovah.

haddeylium:
Did you read what I wrote at all?

Very well!

Did you read mine too?

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus is the Archangel Michael!

Yet no Biblical evidence for this.

Before we can successfully unravel this we need to start considering the Bible from the beginning and meditate on each reference made regarding the angel of Jehovah (NWT) or angel of the Lord (KJV)

©When was this angel first mentioned?
©Is there any reference we can relate him to in the first five books of the Bible?
©Why is he called the angel of Jehovah when there are many other angels belonging to Jehovah?
©How many angels did the reveal their names?

When we're through with this then we can move on to the next stage.
We can't jump to later references and think we are going to comprehend who the angel of Jehovah is if we didn't start from the beginning!

If I told you to come for Bible study, you'll refuse. Now see how you're show casing your ignorance here.

Even the fact that you don't know that the same ANGEL OF THE LORD still mentioned in the New Testament after Jesus already in Mary's womb is so glaring.

If Jesus is the Angel of Jehovah and the same Angel of Jehovah became FULLY HUMAN (according to your belief) who now already in Mary's womb, how come the same Angel of Jehovah appeared and talked to Joseph in the dream?

Maybe, Jesus disappeared from womb that time.

"But after he had thought these things over, look! Jehovah’s* angel appeared to him in a dream,..." Matt 1:20 NWT

"But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream,..." Matt 1:20 KJV

Gabriel was called Angel of the Lord in Luke 1:11 "And there appeared unto him [Zechariah] the angel of the LORD standing on the right side of altar of incense"

And in your thread Study bible with jws you already depicted Gabriel as a cruel Angel more than Micheal. Now Jesus is also Gabriel

haddeylium:
Do you know the Mosaic law contains many prophetic patterns, as well as prophecies, that are faith strengthening? To consider them and others visit JW.ORG

Thank you and have a great day

But your organization put themselves under the same Mosaic law to convince you to reject Blood transfusion.

Who is fooling who here?

Bishopkingsley:
The problem of JW is that they don't believe God has the power to be in heaven and equally be on earth at the same time

You get it, that's why you can't see them using the phrases omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent.

Their god is so limited and ALL THIS IS JUST TO DENY THE DIVINITY OF JESUS AND HOLY SPIRIT.

I once asked a JWs that, is it possible for God to be in ALL STATES of Nigeria at the same time? NO straight answer was given because he knows he'll go against the scripture.

OneMarvee:
Thank you for taking the time to expatiate on the topic. Really thoughtful points you made there. God bless you

I guess you couldn't read through the contradictions in that post before you consider it THOUGHTFUL.

Lemme point it out to you.

But, death is not the end of man. Thanks be to God, there's a resurrection of the dead (1 Corinthians 15:12-58). Some will be resurrected to eternal life [the righteous] whilst some [the wicked] will be resurrected to eternal condemnation or punishment, i.e, dying for all eternity without ever living again (Daniel 12:2, Matthew 25:46, John 5:28-29). But first, the dead must remain in their graves with no consciousness at all, till the resurrection hour.

Notice the @color:
1. Some will be resurrected to eternal life
2. Some will be RESURRECTED to ETERNAL CONDEMNATION OR PUNISHMENT i.e DYING for all eternal without ever LIVING again.

To understand this, you need to know the meaning of RESURRECTION!

resurrection simply means BRING BACK TO LIFE.

So how can one claim that "some people will be RESURRECTED (bring back to life) to eternal condemnation or punishment but still continue DYING for all eternal without ever LIVING again?

This defiles logic!

The truth is, the person knows that BOTH THE RIGHTEOUS AND UNRIGHTEOUS will be resurrected as scripture said but they must find a way to twist that verse.

achorladey:
A better best group under the better performing group go soon emanate

He has quota to fill "atheist" platform is providing the succour.

I'm telling you

I hope all the time he spends on Nairaland is part of his weekly report shall because the way he's so restless on Nairaland is too suspicious?

MaxInDHouse:
You're welcome!

Now the honourable conductor is asking me, what Bible can teach you? But not read to discuss with me. Wonders of JWs!

MaxInDHouse:
Good morning my honourable follower!

Good morning honourable conductor!

MaxInDHouse:
I'm welcoming you once again my honourable follower, but on the questions you raised regarding the topic of discussion, you have to wait until you PRESENT the proof of the allegation you levelled against me!

Ponzi scheme promoter read Matt 7:7

FOLYKAZE:
Yeah I understand now

With your last paragraph, I don't think you fully understand.

Well, he is the owner and has admin access to the back end of website. This may makes it appear his 'seun' moniker is not bounded by the rules of Nairaland.

Yes you're right and that is the essence of this thread, which means SEUN isn't bound by the rules because you can't have admin access and still be limited.

He is actually bounded by programming laws. Remember few years ago, Nairaland forum lose some data. I can remember seun posts and threads were lost to that drainage. Therefore, Seun is bounded by some laws.

Laws of PROGRAMMING is different in this case and outside Nairaland.

The fact that Nairaland still stand today is an evidence that SEUN can't be limited by the rules because had it been he is limited it will be very difficult to recover.

He is not Almighty and do not matches God.

Nobody says this!

XXXXTENTACION:
well the culture, the society and beliefs gets to decide whats evil and wicked....

BELIEFS

Culture and society still rely on HUMAN THOUGHT, culture or society won't just puff out what is evil and wicked.

FOLYKAZE:
I think I am the only one who do not understand the OP. Can you please rephrase in simple terms what he is trying to pass across

What the OP is trying to say is that.

Seun the owner of Nairaland created a Thread under Islam for Muslims section, without TAKING THE OATH as an Atheist.

Which means as A CREATOR he isn't bound by the rules of Nairaland.

God also as the CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE can't be bound by the laws that governed the universe.

Do you understand?

XXXXTENTACION:
Evil in a general sense refers to things that are immoral and pofoundly wicked.

So who decides what is immoral and profound wicked?

MaxInDHouse:
Your problem is that you think all followers must comment but many are following and assimilating, unlike you whose intention is to argue they are learning SECRETLY!

However only antagonists like you are coming to argue which makes you one among my numerous followers on the thread!

And the reply has started but the Ponzi scheme promoter said he won't

MaxInDHouse:
You're welcome for the study but i won't give you any answer regarding what i'm sharing with my followers until you PRESENT the EVIDENCE of the allegation you levelled against me!

Lol....he even claimed to have followers

MaxInDHouse:
Until you present the proof of the allegation i have nothing to discuss with you Sir!

Of course, I know!

But it doesn't change the fact that you're a Ponzi scheme promoter

Where did I say you should discuss with me? I'm only doing Bible study for you.

You keep jumping over my questions but just attacking a straw man argument.

haekymbahd:
Isaiah 61 1 THE SPIRIT of the Lord God is upon me, because the Lord has anointed and qualified me to preach the Gospel of good tidings to the meek, the poor, and afflicted; He has sent me to bind up and heal the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the [physical and spiritual] captives and the opening of the prison and of the eyes to those who are bound,

2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord [the year of His favor] and the day of vengeance of our God, to comfort all who mourn,

Gospel is the message revealed (given) to Jesus not Paul or John of Patmos by Allah (God) to preach to the (poor) well he said he was sent to lost sheep of Israel to guide them inorder to make it to the kingdom of God.

What does this have to do with the question I asked?

Can you explain what Jesus meant by lost sheep of isreal?

because ISREAL was the one God was first dealing with, so Jesus was sent their to fulfill the prophecies in their book and one of the prophecy is that the Gentile will receive salvation through the Messiah.

No one has any right to add or subtract from gospel preached by Jesus meaning the new testament of today can't be considered Gospel because it is mixed with both words of Jesus and others.

Who add or subtract to Gospel?

So where can we find the GOSPEL Jesus preach?

To me a gospel book is a book which must contain only the sayings of Jesus no one has right to add or subtract e.g John 1 vs 1.
Gospels according to Mathew, John, Luke Mark and non canonicals cannot be regarded as Gospel because it is more like biography of Jesus hence we Muslims say Gospel message of Jesus himself is lost because there was no record.

So where do you find the WORDS OF JESUS you know it was sent by Allah today?

Why should we trust the canonical Gospels and disregard the non canonicals or can they all be trusted or non can be trusted is another issue .

because even you quoted from the same canonical Gospels.

So where did you see original Gospel of Jesus Christ?

You said Torah means law are you insinuating that Gospel has no Law (commandment)

See the reason I said you don't even understand what you're saying yourself.

Gospel MEANS Good news
Torah MEANS LAW

Is this a rocket science to you.

Was Torah contained ONLY LAWS before it was called LAW?

If Gospel has a Law can you tell me what it is?

Gospel means GOOD NEWS

[s]Allah SWT said:

"This [Qur'an] is notification for the people that they may be warned thereby and that they may know that He is but one God and that those of understanding will be reminded."
(QS. Ibrahim 14: Verse 52)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com

Let's start like this you said Gospel mean good news.

Isaiah 61

1 THE SPIRIT of the Lord God is upon me, because the Lord has anointed and qualified me to preach the Gospel of good tidings to the meek, the poor, and afflicted; He has sent me to bind up and heal the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the [physical and spiritual] captives and the opening of the prison and of the eyes to those who are bound,

2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord [the year of His favor] and the day of vengeance of our God, to comfort all who mourn,[/s]

Irrelevant here!

[s]Who is the LORD GOD is he also Jesus?

Who anointed Jesus to preach the Gospel did he annoint himself?

Who is the God of Jesus who is your God?[/s]

Still irrelevant to the subject matter.

Jesus said he was sent to preach Gospel to poor meaning Gospel was revealed to him by God is that contradictory to the Quran.

WHAT IS THE GOOD NEWS Jesus preached to the POOR?

I'M ONLY ASKING YOU THE GOOD NEWS from you.

Bible explains the GOOD NEWS, does Quran do?

Allah never said Gospel was a written book, Gospel was the message given to Jesus what I am telling you is christians are not preaching the message of Jesus because they have innovated.

The @underlined is what I'm after which you're still dancing around with since.

If GOSPEL(which means GOOD NEWS is a message) what is this MESSAGE ALL ABOUT Or you don't know the meaning of GOOD NEWS?

There is only one God the LORD GOD if you beleive message of Jesus has not changed where did Jesus ordered humans to call him the Almighty God when he knew there was a being called LORD GOD according to you trinitarians Jesus is co equal to the LORD GOD do you know what that means at all?

I didn't ask you this, if you want lesson on Jesus divinity not this discussion because what I'm discussing with you isn't Jesus deity.

Mathew 11

4 And Jesus replied to them, Go and report to John what you hear and see:

5 The blind receive their sight and the lame walk, lepers are cleansed (by healing) and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up and the poor have good news (the Gospel) preached to them

Now compare this to Mathew 11:4 Isaiah 61:1
Jesus said the poor had receive gospel and he has not died nor resurrected yet.

Now I ask you what is the message Jesus preached to the poor while on earth and what is the message after him?

It's so funny how you deny canonical gospel in one breath and in other breath cling to the same canonical gospel.

Does gospel means Jesus' death and resurrection?

Jesus message is that, he came to give His life as ransom for human, this can be found ALL the 4 gospels.

Was Jesus preaching to the poor and saying if you don't beleive "I am Almighty God" you will not enter the kingdom of God?

Nobody ask you this!

Or he said

Mathew 1
14 Now after John was arrested and put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the good news (the Gospel) of the kingdom of God,

15 And saying, The [appointed period of] time is fulfilled (completed), and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent ([k]have a change of mind which issues in regret for past sins and in change of conduct for the better) and believe (trust in, rely on, and adhere to) the good news (the Gospel)

The verse you are keep quoting, actually separated the GOOD NEWS from other issue.

"and believe the GOOD NEWS" again, what is this GOOD NEWS?

I ask you why did Jesus started his preaching at age 30 and not 1-29 if the Gospel was not revealed to him at an appointed time and what is your definition of message of the Gospel.

So one must be 30 before something be revealed to the person? This is another dimension.

You're now asking me the same question I've been asking, does it make sense?

The Good News according to Bible are:
1. The Blood shield by Jesus which means people don't need to sacrifice animals for sin attonement.
2. People can enter the Holiest of Holy tabanacle without Priest as they do in old testament.

Allah SWT said:

"Then We sent following their footsteps Our messengers and followed [them] with Jesus, the son of Mary, and gave him the Gospel. And We placed in the hearts of those who followed him compassion and mercy and monasticism, which they innovated; We did not prescribe it for them except [that they did so] seeking the approval of Allah. But they did not observe it with due observance. So We gave the ones who believed among them their reward, but many of them are defiantly disobedient."
(QS. Al-Hadid 57: Verse 27)

"O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, Three; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs."
(QS. An-Nisaa 4: Verse 171)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com



The bone of contention is in the message of the Gospel Jesus never claimed to be Almighty God as John of Patmos said (if he truly said that you can debate that with your fellow Unitarian christians) rather it was innovation it wasn't prescribed by God.

Nobody asked you this, I'm just here for the Gospel Allah gave Isa.

That's all.

MaxInDHouse:
Have you come with the EVIDENCES of the false allegations?

That you're a Ponzi scheme promoter, that is certain.

kingxsamz:
Lol, if you want to compare your god to Seun (a mere human being) , then you must apply all characteristics of Seun in your so called logic. Abi no be so?

Still didn't get the point,do you?

Even you don't know Nairaland can be @ttacked/h@cked. If Nairaland is @ttacked, there won't be any Seun on Nairaland anymore. Also, you people claim that your god is outside time and space, but Seun is actually on Nairaland, not outside of it. Can we apply that same logic to your god or you want to pick and choose? Your logic na still own goal anyways.

But Seun is a MEMBER?
The same God who heaven is His throne and EARTH His footstool....

It's evident you don't understand the OP

XXXXTENTACION:
Not really God and seun are not exactly thesame thing and do not operate thesame way....
just imagine a God who commits evil

Then who says they are THE SAME THING and operate the same way?

So to you what is EVIL?

MaxInDHouse:
After Michael has completed his earthly course he returned to heaven but this time around he has secured a higher position which he earned not just by virtue of his birth as the first creature but for successfully restoring the lives of all Adam's descendants back to the way God planned from the beginning.

The Bible conductor is at it again.

Michael SECURED A HIGHER POSITION

And this is the same person:

1. Who Jehovah USED TO CREATE ALL THINGS IN HEAVEN and on earth both authority & power, seen & unseen.
2. Who existed with the same Jehovah from ETERNITY
3. Who ALL THINGS WERE created for
4. Who controls THE WHOLE UNIVERSE by the word of His power.

Please which position is higher than this?

If Michael actually SECURED A HIGH POSITION than the one he had then it means Michael will be greater than Jehovah.

---

But the only explanation of being given a name that is above ALL NAME, given authority both in heaven and on earth, and be the FIRSTBORN OF ALL CREATION is that, he was not part of CREATION but when he actually became part of creation HE MUST STILL BE FIRST IN ALL THINGS including FIRSTBORN from the Dead.... Col 1:18

CSB: He is also the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that he might come to have first place in everything.
CEB: He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the one who is firstborn from among the dead so that he might occupy the first place in everything.
CJB: Also he is head of the Body, the Messianic Community — he is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that he might hold first place in everything.
LEB: and he himself is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that he himself may become first in everything,

I know your mind can't grab that point but just meditate on that verse and keep asking yourself, why MUST CHRIST BECOME FIRST IN ALL THINGS if he was the same person who CREATED ALL THINGS?

Janosky:
Wetin concern JWs with your fictitious rapture?
Wetin concern the signs of Jesus presence @ Matthew 24:3-27,37 ( "ruling in the midst of his enemies" with your claim @ 1 Thess 4:17?

Of course, nothing concerns them which is the reason they always STOP THE READING IN VERSE 16

As the question still stands, how many of JWs alive in 1914 met with the Lord in the cloud together with the DEAD IN CHRIST?

kingxsamz:
Then you have to admit that your god makes errors and is imperfect, just like Seun too.
This one na own goal.

And you people will be claiming to have the highest IQ than other people yet simple article is hard to comprehend.

Read the OP again this time slowly.

XXXXTENTACION:
Ok simple seun is the owner of nairaland and as such he might have created backdoors for himself. Is that okay...

Can you see that you just burst into this thread without first understanding it?

Sein didn't create a BACKDOOR for himself but rather as stated in the OP

"Seun doesn't need to restrict himself because as a creator, he needs to swing into action immediately to provide HELP(solution) if any problem arises over his creator(Nairaland) but if Seun restricted himself or to be governed by the same rules on Nairaland, there will be big trouble."

Simply say, God as a creator of the Universe can't be bound by the same laws that governed the universe.

Do you get it now?

XXXXTENTACION:
How did you know seun did not take the oath
for your information the oath only lasts for a few hours and after that it dissappears from your profile....

It's evident that you don't know what you're saying and I don't know the reason you're doing this.

Anyone who took that oath always have it in their profile and I believe this last more that 12hours.

As can be seen from this Muslim HERE whose last SEEN was 3:11pm today and the oath was still appeared in his post

Not only that here is another Muslim HERE whose LAST SEEN was 6:10am in the morning and the oath still in his profile.

But Seun stil made a comment on the same thread @2:31pm today....why didn't the oath appear in his profile

Anyways, we've seen you let other say something.

XXXXTENTACION:
Seun is a also bound by the rules of nairaland. Infact he should be the one to show good example....
if those who are meant to keep the law are the ones breaking the law what kind of image do you think that projects

So that means you didn't read the OP

If Seun is bound by the rules of Nairaland, why was he be able to CREATE A TOPIC as an Atheist in Islam for Muslims section without taking the oath?

XXXXTENTACION:
Your argument is faulty....
1) by comparing seun to God you there by undermine God..
2) seun and God don't have thesame qualities so it's illogical to compare them both..
3) seun is a human being and is bound to make errors but then can you say thesame for God

No it's not

The question is does Seun need to be bound by Nairaland rules?

I came across a thread created by the owner of Nairaland Seun Osewa! Here is the link.

Actually, when I first saw that thread, I was like Seun is an hypocrite and I'll call him out by creating a thread with that caption because he made rules yet didn't bind by His own rules.

After a thought, something came to my mind because I remember vividly couple of years ago while I still discuss with Atheists on this forum the like of Oman, Logicboy, FOLYCAZEY e.t.c I know how they always saying God violated His own rules and such a god isn't worthy to worship or something like that even as some new atheists still made this claim today as you can see from this person HERE.

Now, what am I talking about?

There was a time no separation on religion section, that is nothing like Islam for Muslim section but a time came, Islam for Muslim section was created for Muslims to share their faith. At this time, whether you're a Christian, Buddhist, Atheist, Tradition Worshipper, you can create thread and make comment on that section but a time came where restriction was put in place, if you don't take an oath you can't create thread nor make comment on Islam for Muslims section.

Seun claimed to be an Atheist, I was expecting him to take oath before creating thread/commenting on Islam for Muslims section (even someone noticed this on the same thread HERE) but the reverse was the case, then I remember that Seun is THE CREATOR/OWNER/FOUNDER OF Nairaland

Then I begin to wonder, why a creator will violate his own RULE?

But something came to my mind, which is the creator didn't violate his own rule but the POWER HE HAS UNDER HIS CONTROL makes it look so.

Seun doesn't need to restrict himself because as a creator, he needs to swing into action immediately to provide HELP(solution) if any problem arises over his creator(Nairaland) but if Seun restricted himself or to be governed by the same rules on Nairaland, there will be big trouble.

That's why:
1. Seun can't ban himself either by any of his moderators or antibot
2. Seun can't restrict himself or take an oath in Islamic section before creating a thread/commenting even though he is an Atheist.
3. Seun can't deactivate his own account as anybody can do which means the day Seun deactivated his account is the day Nairaland ended.

In short, the rules or laws of Nairaland can be bound on Seun.

Now put God in the position of Seun, does it make sense to you as an Atheist?

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