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haekymbahd:
None of the Gospel books can be considered authentic.

Says you the authenticator!

First thing you should understand is Jesus was the first person to preach the Gospel because it was revealed like Allah said or you might want to tell me why Jesus started preaching the Gospel at age 30 and not age 1-5 if he already knew what the Gospel was then.

One thing is so common among you Muslims and this is due to lack of understanding.

Gospel means GOOD NEWS and Biblie explain WHAT THE GOOD NEWS is all about.

So because Muhammad mistaken Gospel for WRITTEN BOOK you people must continue in the same way.

When Jesus was preaching the Gospel THE GOOD NEWS he didn't carry the new testament we have today on his armpit and approve it to be right so there is no proof of it's authenticity.

You're still confusing Gospel with A WRITTEN BOOK, even Matthew, Mark, Luke, John wrote their books with the caption "THE GOSPEL according to Matthew, Mark, Luke e.t.c"

Today we have 4 canonical Gospels and several non connonical Gospels with criteria were they approved and disapproved.

Today we have 4 Canonical GOSPEL(GOOD NEWS) according to...

Again, what is the GODD NEWS that Allah gave Jesus?

Allah says the Gospel was revealed to Jesus

This is so hilarious, THE GOOD NEWS WAS REVEALED to Jesus.

Good News should be for people who need it not SOMETHING REVEAL.

Again, what is the Good News given to Jesus to give to the people?

Allah was talking about what Jesus preached compared to what christians of today are preaching.

So where did you get ALL THE MESSAGES Jesus preached?

I asked your fellow colleagues where did Jesus whom was the one given the Gospel says I have to believe he is the Almighty God (The creator of heaven and earth) with his own mouth in the canonical gospel If not innovation.

You're going to far because I'm not discussing issue of Jesus' deity with you but simply asking you, the GOSPEL GIVEN TO JESUS BY ALLAH.

The earliest canonical Gospel (Mark) was written around 65 - 75 CE and it did not account for the resurrection of Jesus in the original manuscript of which it was later inserted by scribes after other Gospel books had been written.

The early christians (ebionites, nazarenes) e.t.c rejected Paul and do not beleive Jesus was God. If from the early days several christians didn't believe Jesus was God then it means something must have definitely gone wrong with the Gospel who was misinformed. Why did some early christians not beleive Jesus as God or why did a meeting had to hold at the council of nicea on whether Jesus was God or not if the Gospel teachings of Jesus in his life time was really clear all early christians.

Nobody ask you all these, stop deviating from the subject matter.

Allah SWT said:

"O People of the Scripture, why do you disbelieve in the verses of Allah while you witness [to their truth]?"
(QS. Aal-i-Imraan 3: Verse 70)

"O People of the Scripture, why do you confuse the truth with falsehood and conceal the truth while you know [it]?"
(QS. Aal-i-Imraan 3: Verse 71)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com

Can you tell me why Mark, Mathew and Luke didn't insert John 1 vs 1 in their own book did Jesus exclusively tell John this. Even translation to the original Greek word has disproved this verse.

Another diversion.

Several verses of the bible has been misinterpreted from translating from its Greek to English I just wonder how many misinterpreted changes must have occured from translation from Hebrew (Jesus's) language to Greek in which the Bible written

I don't believe in Paul not all early christians accepted him either. No one has any right to add and subtract from the Gospel of Jesus.

So what is the Gospel of Jesus ALL ABOUT and where do you find it? I'll like to see it too

Allah didn't say the Bible was totally false but truth had been mixed with falsehood. The Quran was sent to Guide mankind to the right path.

So can you show us the parts that are false and the parts that are true?

I gave my reason for disproving it why should I beleive him was he Jesus as far as I am concerned he contradicted on Jesus word. There is only one God the Lord our God.

Where is that Jesus original word, so that we compare it with what we have today?

Mark 12
29 Jesus answered, The first and principal one of all commands is: Hear, O Israel, The Lord our God is one Lord;

32 And the scribe said to Him, Excellently and fitly and admirably answered, Teacher! You have said truly that He is One, and there is no other but Him;

Diversion again.

Deuteronomy 13
1 IF A prophet arises among you, or a dreamer of dreams, and gives you a sign or a wonder,
2 And the sign or the wonder he foretells to you comes to pass, and if he says, Let us go after other [b]gods--gods you have not known--and let us serve them,

3 You shall not listen to the words of that prophet or to that dreamer of dreams. For the Lord your God is testing you to know whether you love the Lord your God with all your [mind and] heart and with your entire being.

4 You shall walk after the Lord your God and [reverently] fear Him, and keep His commandments and obey His voice, and you shall serve Him and cling to Him.

5But that prophet or that dreamer of dreams shall be put to death, because he has talked rebellion and turning away from the Lord your God, Who brought you out of the land of Egypt and redeemed you out of the house of bondage; that man has tried to draw you aside from the way in which the Lord your God commanded you to walk. So shall you put the evil away from your midst.
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Did the Jews know Jesus as their God so if anyone claims to have a dream or vision and orders to worship another which is not the Lord our God it definitely has to be rejected. Jesus didn't say this with his own mouth..

Still in diversion mode.

John 17
3 And this is eternal life: [it means] to know (to perceive, recognize, become acquainted with, and understand) You, the only true and real God, and [likewise] to know Him, Jesus [as the] Christ (the Anointed One, the Messiah), Whom You have sent.

Is either you beleive Jesus or John of Patmos

But you believe the same JOHN HERE, HOW COME?

it still falls under Deuteronomy 13

It didn't!

John received the Revelation while in "ISLE OF PATMON"

What does being in spirit means and in what ways can one be in spirit...

Good Question!

When the Spirit of God took over your MORTAL BODY

I have explained this already scroll up

You didn't! As you still confused GOSPEL (GOOD NEWS) with a book written.

Did Jesus fulfil all his messianic missions and why did Jews reject him what does your own good news mean and why is Jesus comming back?

The Jews rejected him and his coming back were part of Messianic PROPHECIES.

Shey na Torah and Quran be Bad news abi Gospel no get Law?

Torah means LAW
GOSPEL means GOOD NEWS
QURAN is what?

So both Quran and Torah have their meanings.

What is the GOOD NEWS given to Jesus by Allah is the question?

Mathew 5
17 Do not think that I have come to do away with or [ab]undo the Law or the Prophets; I have come not to do away with or undo but to complete and fulfill them.

18 For truly I tell you, until the sky and earth pass away and perish, not one smallest letter nor one little hook [identifying certain Hebrew letters] will pass from the Law until all things [it foreshadows] are accomplished.

19 Whoever then breaks or does away with or relaxes one of the least [important] of these commandments and teaches men so shall be called least [important] in the kingdom of heaven, but he who practices them and teaches others to do so shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Diversion as usual.

20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness (your uprightness and your right standing with God) is more than that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.


Jesus die for your sin or not if your rightousness does not exceed the Pharisees you are doomed. Jesus said that

Jesus used many words as gaining access to Kingdom of God not just BEING RIGHTEOUS ALONE.

haekymbahd:
I am a Muslim I don't believe in book of revelation.

Which of the book in the Holy scripture do you believe as a Muslim?

Who is John who dreamed was he part of the disciples of Jesus while alive?

You don't believe in the book of John reason why you don't read it because if you have read it you'll see that John didn't DREAM but was IN THE SPIRIT on the Lord's Day.

Why should I even believe a dream of a fellow man who is trying to divert me from worshipping The LORD our God?

Where did you read it from that John dreamt?

I guess that's the lie they sold to you in your mosque.

Allah SWT said:

"Then We sent following their footsteps Our messengers and followed [them] with Jesus, the son of Mary, and gave him the Gospel. And We placed in the hearts of those who followed him compassion and mercy and monasticism, which they innovated; We did not prescribe it for them except [that they did so] seeking the approval of Allah. But they did not observe it with due observance. So We gave the ones who believed among them their reward, but many of them are defiantly disobedient."
(QS. Al-Hadid 57: Verse 27)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com

I so much interested in that @color

Gospel means GOOD NEWS

1. Will you please tell me THE GOSPEL (THE GOOD NEWS) giving to Jesus by Allah?

2. What is this GOOD NEWS all about?

Nice contribution budaa

budaatum:
First, this can't be a group on NL as derailers will derail it.

Yes! And that was the reason I said PHYSICAL GROUP which I believe that by the time we begin it'll be at specific location.

Second, I guess you've learnt about the drivers of the industrial revolution, in which case you should educate us here please.[/quote]Quite well! Just that I don't want to flood this thread with long post.

I think I should copy some people here

MaxInDHouse:
Many people do call on their God with specific name but from place to place and in different religion the name people call their God differs.

So our next topic on this thread will focus on the name of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who is the Author of the Bible!

Good morning everyone!

Simple question:

Why did Jesus Christ NEVER use the name Jehovah?

No doubt about the situation in the country right now.

Talking about the downturn of the economy which has lead to high rate of unemployment.

One thing is certain, that as a country we're lagging when it comes to Industrialization, I mean MANUFACTURING.

For instance, UBA listed over 150 manufacturing companies on their website under company account registration of which less than 20 can be found in this country.

I don't want to type much but what I'm saying is that, we have great minds in this country who are capable of causing industrialization revolution.

So, as Nairaland has brought many of us together, I'm proposing a physical group across the 36 states of the country + FCT.

This group will be:

1. a selfless
2. Not money hungry
3. Not tribalistic in nature
4. Not Religious inclined
5. Comprises of different great minds that can create LOCAL industries out of the abundance resources we have around us.

By LOCAL I mean from scratch with ONLY available resources which means we don't need to start looking for how to IMPORT one machine or equipment.

So I'm using this medium to call on my fellow nairalanders who have passion for science and technology to drop their opinion.

Nezero:
I already did. Put your questions in a list. I can direct you to Bible verses that answer them.

You didn't!

You check them on my previous post.

You want to provide Bible verses to where you lied that Watchtower never claimed to be INPSIRED.

The quotes did not say anything like that. Maybe you should look further.

Devil is a liar and father of it ALL.
this is your FIRST POST on the opening page which I replied to.

"They do not claim to be inspired, they simply believe in the Bible and look for answers therein." by Nezero

So how come you're now claiming the post did not say anything like that.

Lies? Like what and what?

That "They do not claim to be inspired, they simply believe in the Bible and look for answers therein." By Nezero

Just borrow a dictionary and flip through. It's simple English. You can do it. Just try.

I've used dictionary in my post above, so do you agreed that DIVINE INSPIRATION is no different from JEHOVAH GUIDANCE, HELP, BIBLICAL INTERPRETATION?

Of course, the Bible is the true word of God. I doubt if you believe in it. But we all have free will, so .. your choice

I believe in the Word of God the Holy Bible.

Now, if Bible is the word of God and watchtower claimed ALL THEIR PUBLICATIONS ARE THE SAME PRODUCTS of the UNERRING SPIRIT who made Bible to be the Word of God. Should there be any PUBLICATIONS consider to be TOO OLD and DISCARDED?

so why are you feigning ignorance? You think that's funny? Shior

Very funny to see a educated person claiming DIVINE INSPIRATION is different from BEING GUIDED BY JEHOVAH, HOLY SPIRIT, JESUS just to cover up lies.

Which eight men?

Don't you know your GB again?

Look in the dictionary, read the Bible, your problem is not a serious one.

I always do and that's why I can differentiate from the lies of your organization from the truth of the Holy scripture.

Do you?

Nezero:
And many more... And many more what? Why don't you put a direct link to your quotes so one can know if you fabricated them or conjured them in your 'critical thinking' mind.

My first post attached the name and year of publications. Now you think I fabricated those post but check my first post on that.

Besides, it's evident those quotes are prove of DIVINE INSPIRATION.

And more and more of watchtower claiming to be INSPIRED.

rottennaija:
He is talking about the editors who claimed where God's channel of communication and who today's editor also claimed where God's channel of communication. I once asked a circuit overseer what's the difference between being God's channel of communication and being inspired. He was just looking at me...

So maybe you can answer. What's the difference between being God's channel of communication and being inspired?

The tactics is they know the truth but they must defend watchtower by all cost.

How can an educated person say DIVINE INSPIRATION is different GUIDANCE?

That's why I asked him, what does it mean to be GUIDED?

The word DIVINE according to marriam-dictionary:
a: of, relating to, or proceeding directly from God (see GOD entry 1 sense 1) or a god (see GOD entry 1 sense 2)

Now compare this with different claim of watchtower below

1. Under the guidance of his holy
2. holy spirit helps responsible representatives of the faithful and discreet slave
3. "Third, holy spirit is at work in bringing Bible truths to light."
4. Jehovah's organization alone, in all the earth, is directed by God's holy spirit
5. "faithful and discreet slave" guided by Jehovah's unerring spirit
6. "The Watchtower is not the instrument of any man or set of men, nor is it published according to the whims of men. No man's opinion is expressed in The Watchtower. God feeds his own people"
7. And many more!

I don't know how someone will read something like this and still claimed they never claimed to be INPSIRED.

dappa71:
Ahh, it seems you’re new to these streets? Emusan doesn’t bloody care what you believe as a Witness, he’s only out there deriving senseless pleasure as long as you keep on arguing fruitlessly with him.
But Emusan will not mention the name of his Church because he knows there’s nothing to write home about it.
I already noticed this calm demeanour in you from the way you comment. Don’t let Emusan and his antics change that. Chop knuckle, my brother.

@Highlighted -- can you also tell us the name of the CHURCH Peter, Paul, Matthew and co attended?

I understand your painment, just chill and stay behind your keyboard and watch. You even have another ACCOUNT

Nezero:
You keep running around in circles.

Just say you can't provide answers to my questions.

I say one thing and you attack another.

No! I started with you on your claim that watchtower didn't claim to be inspired, which I've provided more than three quotes from different years showing they actually CLAIMED TO BE INSPIRED.

Much of what you say makes no sense. Running around with a 1930s publications and expecting me to explain it to you.

It won't make sense because you can see through the glass of lies you're propagating.

Is it my question about what is the difference between DIVINE INSPIRATION and to be GUIDED, DIRECTED, AND HELPED that doesn't make sense?

Why don't you go back to the 1930s to challenge the editor. I would reply you, but I would rather talk to someone who can actually reason.

But you can go back to the 1st century.

I understand you completely

And the good thing is, such people can compare your arguments with my response and figure things out for themselves.

Very well!

But in the mean time, you agreed that those 8 men are GUIDED...

So don't forget to answer my question on that.

Next time you're quoting me, quote properly.

Nezero:
if the premise of an argument is wrong, then the conclusion will definitely be wrong. If the question is unreasonable.. then you can't have the answers you want.

And if the foundation of a belief is wrong no matter what you build on it, it will always be wrong.

The subject is about Dinosaurs. The information from the Bible has not changed.

Definitely, so why do your TEACHINGS do change?

Does it mean the people behind the watchtower publications don't have access to this UNCHANGING information in the Bible before going to printing press?

Scientific discoveries keep getting updated. Understanding new scientific discoveries in the light of the Bible can and should be updated.

But you said earlier that Bible information don't change, which means no matter how many times scientifical discoveries getting updated, the information will ALWAYS BE IN LINE with the Bible.

You just confirmed that Watchtower society are just doing guess work, while hidding under the guidance, help & direction of Holy Spirit, Jehovah, and invisible Jesus.

Nezero: A reasonable person avoids statements like this.. 'clear' contradictions? Let others reason for themselves.

But it's evident that it's a clear contradictions, if not, you won't have distanced yourself from the OLD PUBLICATIONS.

Divine Inspiration? I don't see anything like that in your quotes, I see guidance..

Do you go school at all?

So DIVINE INSPIRATION is different from Jehovah, Holy Spirit and Jesus guidance.

Kindly tell us what it means TO GUIDE...

do you even understand this statement?

"The Watchtower is not the instrument of any man or set of men, nor is it published according to the whims of men. No man's opinion is expressed in The Watchtower. Watchtower 1931 Nov 1 p.327

If NO MAN'S OPINION is expressed in watchtower, whose OPINION WAS EXPRESSED?

We have never claimed infallibility. Jesus disciples themselves had wrong expectations like I said earlier. "LORD, are you restoring the kingdom to Israel at this time?” (Acts 1:6)"... This does not mean they do not have God's holy spirit or approval.

The disciples ONLY HAVE WRONG EXPECTATIONS not WRONG GOD'S WORD.

Even the people who pen down Bible never claimed INFALLIBILITY but what every Bible students hold is that God always uses fallible human to pen down His infallible that's why you can TRUST BIBLE as the Word of God.

So if watchtower claimed the same HOLY SPIRIT who helped those people pen down Bible GUIDE AND DIRECT their publications, should it be FALLIBLE.

You seem bent on confusing yourself.

No! You're the very one who looks confused because I don't know different btw DIVINE INSPIRATION and being GUIDED, HELPED AND DIRECTED by Jehovah, Holy Spirit, and Jesus.

we? Who is we?

The listeners

Why not. It is inspired of God. Sometimes God dictated the words. Sometimes he revealed it to people miraculously and they pen it down tastefully. Don't be stumbled abeg. The Bible is divinely inspired. And that's what we rely on, and encourage you to rely on.

So HOW DID GOD GUIDE THE PUBLICATION OF WATCHTOWER?

You don't rely on it rather on your 8 men in Brooklyn (sorry New York)

I can't make any sense from what you wrote.

Read it again, this time slowly

Watchtower claimed that the way the early Christians were inspired and directed is the same way the 8 slaves men in Brooklyn (sorry New York) are directed and inspired?

I do. But like I said, a child of God can have wrong expectations at times.

Who is talking about TIME here

We're talking about WRONG TEACHING

The only problem is if you have a better understanding and continue to wallow in the wrong information like you are doing.

Just as the information you have today as truth CAN BECOME WRONG INFORMATION in few years if ANOTHER BRIGHTER LIGHT SHINE.

We used to celebrate birthdays and Christmas. We stopped all of that.

This is not WRONG EXPECTATION OF TIME but WRONG TEACHING.

So those people who once celebrated Birthday and Christmas died as IDOLATERS, so is there hope of heavenly calling for them and resurrection to paradise earth?

We didn't preach from house to house before. We do now.

I guess the Bible passages that later instruct you people to start preaching from house to house were not pen down, they were just added few years ago.

That's progressive do t you think. But we have left you behind haven't we?

You left me behind when you're still struggling for just 9millions followers for over 100years whereas. That's unfruitfulness

Read that scripture again

I do, did you?

well it is on record somewhat.. if it weren't we wouldn't have known.

On record that THEY DISH OUT WONG TEACHINGS or THEY DIED CELEBRATING BIRTHDAY

The disciples used a sword to defend Jesus. Later they learnt they weren't supposed to.

Only ONE PERSON (but you wrote DISCIPLES) used sword and it's just on ONE OCCASION. Not THAT they first CLAIMED and PRACTICEED using WEAPONS to kill people is allowed then years later another BRIGHT LIGHT SHINE said it's not so anymore.

Unlike watchtower teachings where one teaching goes on for decade but only for dim light to shine.

The disciples didn't preach to gentiles nor mingle with them. Later they had to.

And where did the disciples FIRST CLAIM THAT preaching to or TEACHING the Gentile is wrong before changing it to NOW YOU CAN TEACH OR PREACH TO GENTILE?

You people don't even know what you're comparing with with each other.

Let me give you a typical example.

Jesus is the one who commissioned Apostle Paul to the Gentiles' nation.

Now imagine if you read it from Matthew, Mark & Luke that Peter who is leading the early Christians HAS CLAIMED THAT he was directed & guided by Jesus Christ that the gospel will never be PREACHED TO THE GENTILES but only for Paul to show up few years later and CLAIMED the same Jesus instructed him that the gospel will be preached to the gentiles.

This is the case of watchtower.

Feel me?

Only if you understand.

fallacy of hasty generalisation

Do you?

Nezero:
Of course we trust the Bible. If what we believe in pains you, then I cannot help you.

I'm sure you can't provide reasonable answers to those questions.

Before you can't deny not trusting in the Bible, then why can't you trust in your OLD PUBLICATIONS which is the product of the same Jehovah, Holy Spirit, and Invisible Jesus?

HedwigesMaduro:
You've added lack of comprehension to the problem of not being logical. No wonder you quote random parts of the Bible out of context. Could you please point to where I posted that "Jesus Christ REJECTED being called GOOD because ONLY GOD is good"?

You talk about lack of comprehension yet you're the very person displaying such here.

Your point still remains that, you claimed Jesus isn't God because he SAID ONLY GOD IS GOOD.

But when I pointed your lack of scriptural understanding out, you start to change tune.

[quote author=Nezero post=1041 854246]Thank you for sharing such fantastic stuff from Jehovah's witnesses publications history.[/quote]You called a clear contradictions like this A FANTASTIC STUFF, how was it fantastic

They do not claim to be inspired, they simply believe in the Bible and look for answers therein.

Is it that you don't know much about your organization or you decided to be lying?

Here are few claims of JWs for inspiration:

“Under the guidance of his holy spirit and on the basis of his Word of truth, Jehovah provides what is needed so that all of God's people may be "fitly united in the same mind and in the same line of thought" and remain "stabilized in the faith." (1 Cor 1:10; Col. 2:6,7) Surely we are grateful for Jehovah's spiritual provisions in these last days. Kingdom Ministry Sep 2007 p.3 US Edition.

"When the time comes to clarify a spiritual matter in our day, holy spirit helps responsible representatives of the faithful and discreet slave at world headquarters to discern deep truths that were not previously understood (Matt. 24:45; 1 Cor. 2:13) The Governing Body as a whole considers adjusted explanations. (Acts 15:6) What they learn, they publish for the benefit of all." Watchtower 2010 Jul 15 p.22-23

"Third, holy spirit is at work in bringing Bible truths to light." Watchtower 2010 Apr 15 p.10

"The Watchtower is not the instrument of any man or set of men, nor is it published according to the whims of men. No man's opinion is expressed in The Watchtower. Watchtower 1931 Nov 1 p.327

So who should we believe, you or watchtower?

By the way, generally Jehovah's witnesses do not rely on publications that are that old. Like 1920s, 1930s.
That's like a hundred years ago.

But you can rely on Bible which is more older than that.

Isn't watchtower claimed that the way the early Christians were inspired and directed is the same way the 8 slaves men in Brooklyn (sorry New York) are directed and inspired?

So why won't you rely on the same publications that is the WORK OF HOLY SPIRIT, JEHOVAH AND INVISIBLE JESUS

OR

Should we then say those publications aren't the work of Jehovah, Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ?

More available information must have helped them adjust their views.

Why adjustments in the first place?

Jesus disciples also had wrong understanding and expectations at times. God reveals things gradually.

NOTICE: "THEY HAD WRONG UNDERSTANDING AND EXPECTATIONS" but do they TEACH AND PEN DOWN WRONG THINGS

Proverbs 4:18 says: “The path of the righteous ones is like the bright light that is getting lighter and lighter until the day is firmly established"

Has it cross your mind that this scripture didn't say NEW LIGHT CONTRADICTED THE OLD LIGHT?

in this case, your NEW LIGHT contradicted YOUR OLD LIGHT,

Will you have trust Bible if what the Apostles pen down contradicted each other?

I hope others enjoyed the article too.

Enjoy contradictions ke, do you?

MaxInDHouse:
MALICIOUS LIAR!

Ponzi scheme promoter

maximunimpact:
MaxInDHouse the ministerial servant (tautology) them dey give talk on the platform (talk is what they call preaching and platform is their word for alter, just to sound different ) and tell others to stay away from apostates but him no fit leave us, he likes what we tell him, sooner or later him eye go clear

You truly got him at that @underlined

He once created a thread on how the GB warned them to stay away from apostates but the same person spent ALL his day on Nairaland religion section with the same apostates.

I use to wonder, if he has life outside Nairaland.

The first account he created on Nairaland @Maxmus69 which is less than 3 years has made over 11,000 posts.

This recent account which he registered less than a year now has reached over 7,000 posts.

Guess what? All these post are 99.9% in religion section.

MaxInDHouse:
Until then!

But not until then when you're spamming my mention to add my view in your topic.

Like I said, I understand Mr Ponzi scheme promoter

HedwigesMaduro:
Logic doesn't seem to be you strongest forte.

Says the person who started the Mumbo Jumbo

You said Jesus was God, since He said only God was good, and He (Jesus) was called the Good Shepherd.

Have you forgotten that you're the very person who first claimed that Jesus REJECTED being called GOOD because ONLY GOD is good

I just redirected to use your "logic" that since there was someone called the Good Samaritan, he must be God too as only God is good. Is. It. Clear. Now?

So you now understand that what Jesus is talking about didn't make Him not to be God nor does He reject being CALLED GOOD.

MaxInDHouse:
How about our unresolved case?
Are you ready to present the evidence of the accusation or we should keep on waiting?

I understand, keep bringing that hypocrite!

Your evidence is on the way Mr Ponzi Scheme promoter

HedwigesMaduro:
Or which means you don't arrive at the conclusion that because Jesus Christ is called The Good Shepherd, therefore He is God Almighty.

Can you see the reason why I asked that question now

Your point was that since "Jesus DENIED BEING GOOD" then He isn't God.

But when I shows you that Jesus is ACTUALLY GOOD, you begin to change tune.

Which means you misunderstood what Jesus was discussing with that man.

MaxInDHouse:
According to Apostle Paul not Watchtower!

For the Lord HIMSELF shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first" 1Thessalonians 4:16

So the dead are unconscious ever since until 1914 when the the dead in Christ (born again Christians) were resurrected!

Take a closer look at the @underlined & @color and see if it fits into the narration of your INVISIBLE PRESENCE of Jesus in 1914.

Note that Apostle Paul said the dead in Christ shall rise first! indicating that there is going to be the second resurrection of the dead {Revelations 20:5-6} so there are billions still sleeping in death and since they're dead they remain unconscious until resurrection! Ecclesiastes 9:5-6

Thanks for coming to study the Bible with Jehovah's Witnesses!

Definitely, you never bother to read that place for yourself rather than what Watchtower and Awake infused in your dull brain.

because had it been you read it yourself down to verse 17 you won't have spew that lies against the Holy scripture.

Here it is "17 Then, together with them (THEM HERE ARE "the dead in Christ", we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. Then we will be with the Lord forever." NLT

The text says "THOSE who are still ALIVE will meet TOGETHER WITH THE DEAD IN CHRIST in the cloud to be with the LORD FOREVER."

So how many of JWs ALIVE in 1914 who meet with the LORD IN CLOUD?

julisam:
However, I think you are not correct. Please consider this analogy: If someone is sick and cannot eat food through the mouth, how do the medical workers get food into his or her body? Of course, you know very well that it is through transfusion. When the Bible instruction us not to eat blood, it also includes taking blood into your body by transfusion. Since you can eat food by transfusion and take medicine by transfusion you can also eat blood by transfusion.

I wonder how you people pass your English in school.

How can a reasonable person use the word EAT & TRANSFUSION in the same vein is still one of the wonders of JWs abracadabra.

Eat...is to put (food) into the mouth and chew and swallow it. WHILE

Transfusion....is an act of transferring donated blood, blood products, or other fluid into the circulatory system of a person or animal.

So how does it sound when you made a statement like "Since you can eat food by transfusion and take medicine by transfusion you can also eat blood by transfusion."

Educated illiterates are just so many in this part of the world.

In any case, the position of God is that we should not eat blood through any means.

This is your own interjection not that of God nor ever found in the scripture.

What you people don't even know is that, when Apostle Paul talked about not EATING BLOOD or do with blood is about ANIMAL'S BLOOD.

That position is sacrosanct and has not change and will not change with time. The Bible did not use the word 'blood transfusion' probably because the practice was not popular back then when that part of the Bible was written.

There's no position of God condemning BLOOD TRANSFUSION rather what God is talking about is ANIMAL'S BLOOD especially the ones offered to idols and STRANGLED N9 one can do without EATING ANIMAL'S BLOOD unless the person eat dry meat or a vegetarian.

Even your organization has gone as far as allowing FRACTION of blood to be taking.

But the truth of the matter is that, lack of scriptural understanding leads your 8 men in now in NY to equate those verses to EATING BLOOD when those verses are just about animal's blood.

In fact, if one check how Apostle Paul used that word in Acts it's evident that it's inline of not to do ANYTHING WITH BLOOD AS SACRIFICED since Christ's blood has been shied.

HedwigesMaduro:
And Jesus also promised us in the book of Revelation that when we overcome we'll sit with Him on His Throne, as He is sitting with His Father on His Throne. Meaning, we shall all be God Almighty?

I've clarified that in my previous post with your brother, try and check for it.

HedwigesMaduro:
That Samaritan guy must be God too, because you know, he's the Good Samaritan. Geez! The state of people's reasoning.

Which means you don't understand what you're saying then that ONLY GOD IS GOOD.

Trustedpronet:
What can you say about been in the world yet not part of the world?

Not part of the world is what Apostle John shield more light on in 1 John 2:15

DappaD:
MORE ON:
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/International/russias-mysterious-campaign-jehovahs-witnesses/story?id=78629389&id=78629389&__twitter_impression=true


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLFTXMErU2Q

On this thread created by @Rottennaija your two brothers including one who now has the hope of heavenly calling TATIME & Maximus69 (now MaxinDHouse) were both arguing that Jehovah witness is so loved by Russian Government even posting the picture of Putin given them award. to the extend of calling the OP @Rottennaija different names.

So how come this thread is coming this time around.

DappaD:
That’s the way forward nah. To start calling organization up and down when you know the things you’ve said don’t hold water.

Yeah! because I don't know why you bring up the issue of me ALWAYS LIKE ARGUING when in reality, it's you and your brothers who do that mostly.

Philippians 2:6
“who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped[or ‘snatched’],” NASB

Your brain cannot tell you that if Jesus was God, that Philippians 2:6 would never have been written in the first place?

That verse was truly written because of people like you who always twist the Holy scripture.

He EXISTED in FORM/NATURE of God and willingly put it down which is the reason why He can pray, called the Father His God e.t.c

Emusan, that scripture completely harmonizes with Jesus’ statement at John 14:28. I don’t know how else you want to twist this. Please I’m not interested in further discussions with you. Thank you and good-bye.

Very well because the Father is greater than Jesus but my point is that Jesus EXISTED in form of God before laid that privilege aside which is the reason why he can be GIVEN AUTHORITY.

If you're not interested you won't have replied in the first place.

DappaD:
Not the likes of you, thankfully.

So you're only looking for the likes you can dish your organization lies to. I understand.

In Emusan’s dictionary, “honor” means to worship? How else can you miscontrue that scripture LOL?
Okay, to honor your father and your mother means you’re worshiping them? Ephesians 6:2 To honor an older person with grey hair means you’re worshiping him/her? Leviticus 19:32
To honor the superior authorities mean you’re worshiping them? Romans 13:7

Please I’m begging you to stop treading down this path because the rate at which things are going, you are ever ready to see A and call it B.

I see, no wonder you couldn't answer my question!

Here it is again,

In what way do you honor JEHOVAH?

Jesus said you should do THE SAME.

So it's left for you to be truthful to yourself here.

Your God has a God? How interesting!

[quote]Revelation 3:12
“I will make those who are victorious pillars in the temple of my God, and they will never leave it. I will write on them the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which will come down out of heaven from my God. I will also write on them my new name.”

Yes when he became human Phil 2:6

Revelation 3:21
“To the one who conquers I will give a place to sit with me on my throne, just as I have conquered and have sat down with my Father on his throne.”

Oh so your God had to conquer and be victorious first before sitting on the throne that ANOTHER person gave him

And you will be claiming Bible student.

O ma se oooo

Mr Emusan, Jesus was granted authority by someone else(Matthew 28:18) and that puts him on the level where he will delegate responsibility to others(Revelation 2:26) but remember that he was given the authority to do that in the first place! So if he has to be given authority by someone greater than he is, it means he is not God. So to me Jesus is not God, but if he is to you, keep it to yourself and leave me out of it I beg you.

Go and read Phil 2:6 then you'll know the reason why Jesus said ALL POWER which makes Him omnipotent was given to Him.

Anyway, I use to say that when you Jws will be able to distinguish between when the scripture is talking about Jesus before He became part of Creation and when He entered part of Creation is the day your delusions will be cured.

Barristter07:
" Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father,
to my God and your God."

A) Notice the bold didn't say I have not yet ascended to the Father Finally ?

There is nothing like Finally in the text

B) the highlighted didn't say I am ascending ONCE MORE ?

Emusan lie will not kill you.

The absurdity of your idea is everybody go to heaven when they die. Clearly spirit of man is not a person.

Again, that text didn't say Jesus HAD NOT ASCENDED to heaven but FINAL ASCENSION where He won't be seen again.

I don't even need to bring the opinion of scholars here because I know you're too dull.

The Bible said This are spirits in Prison who disobeyed in the days of Noah. . No man was promised Prison as a reward of their sin. It's more absurd when you realize this create unequal punishment for sinners , and make God partial. Prison is not for any human, it's for spirit angels chained in darkeness.

Just see the way the lying liar keep dodging my questions

For the last time, here are they

The Bible says, Jesus didn't come to HELP ANGELS

That's why I first asked you, what is the essence of Jesus preaching to ALREADY CONDEMNED ANGELS for everlasting destruction? Which you codedly ignored.

I again asked, what is the impact of the message Jesus preached to this angels who are already CONDEMNED TO EVERLASTING DESTRUCTION? you pretended as you you didn't see that.

Finally, I've been asking, what is the MESSAGE Jesus preached to THIS ANGELS? Which you turned a blind eyes, as if you didn't see the question just because you know your lies will be exposed once again.

This means every body go to heaven , agree?

Let me hit it on your dull skull once again because I've been doing that before.

Everyone that died returns to God but their final abode is determined by God whether they are on God's side or not.

And despite all this holy spirit cannot know what the Son doesn't know. Creating the question : Is holy spirit among the nobody knows at Matt 24:36 ? Or it was omitted as it's not a person ?

The evidences are enough from the scripture that Holy spirit is a person and the scripture also says HOLY spirit knows the very MIIND of God.

DappaD:
You’ve still not changed. Always looking to argue.

Funny you, but what do you always look for on Nairaland?

Emusan, please provide scriptural evidence based on the highlighted word alone, that Jesus DEMANDED people to worship him.

NLT: so that everyone will honor the Son, just as they honor the Father. Anyone who does not honor the Son is certainly not honoring the Father who sent him. John 5:23

You might want to claim that the word "HONOR" was used but I'll like to ask you: In what way do you honour the Father? Jesus says do the same for Him

Okay. The ones who will also conquer to sit on thrones that God will give them, will also become God too? Revelation 3:21 12
Emusan, do you understand the gravity of that statement?

For you even to claim "to sit on thrones that God will give them" shows you know Jesus is God because It's Jesus' throne they will sit.

And that verse made the difference clear.
NLT: Those who are victorious will sit with ME ON MY THRONE, just as I was victorious and sat with MY FATHER ON HIS THRONE.

DappaD:
OP, I see how you’re going around trying to force scriptures to align with your reasoning. Yes, God doesn’t support the worship of any other person except him. Exodus 20:3, Romans 1:25

But Jesus demanded the same WORSHIP from everyone.

But please change that thinking that bowing down always means worship. In times past, God himself foretold that people would bow down to his anointed priest as a show of obeisance to him, not that they worshiped him. 1Samuel 2:36

Since that is out of the way, why did you not quote the preceding verses of that Revelation chapter 5?

Revelation 5:6,7

“Then I saw a Lamb standing in the center of the throne, surrounded by the four living creatures and the elders. The Lamb appeared to have been killed. It had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God that have been sent through the whole earth.
The Lamb went and took the scroll from the right hand of the One who sits on the throne.”


The question is, if the Lamb is God, who was that person sitting on the throne whom he went to take the scroll from?

Why can't you show the same verse where both the Father and the Lamb sit ON THE SAME THRONE?