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Barristter07:
Where is your thinking faculty ?

Your thinking faculty is in the hall, remember!

" But no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth was able to open the scroll and read it. " Revelation 5:3

The Father hold the scrolls , wrote what's inside and sealed it.( Rev 5:1)

The text itself excluded him as he wasn't among those expected to open it.

Like I said, the bold is what I needed.

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Barristter07:
This line of argument assumes the word " God " encompasses anyone called with the title " God" . Rather than identify who is the individual identified as God.

Foolishness at is peak!

This is not the line of argument lying liar JWs.

The line of argument is, At creation God says "LET US CREATE MAN IN OUR IMAGE and OUR LIKENESS"

Both you and your demonic organization, know that Jesus is there at the time of creation and to make the matter worst, even your organization agreed that it was Jesus Jehovah was addressing.

So there's no how you can twist this, Human are created in the IMAGE OF GOD and Jesus is God

Since humans are GODS. I can as well say humans are created in the image of Barrack Obama going by the line of reasoning. Since Obama is GOD too.

It's a foolish line of reasoning

Rather foolish line of a twisted mouth.

Was Obama there when God said "Let US create man in OUR OWN IMAGE after OUR likeness"?

It's obvious how you're trying to twist this by bringing in wrong analogy.

The question still remains, was Jesus part of that US & OUR? Which you're not still be able to provide answer to.

[s]Rather the truth is to identify who is meant by Adam being a Son of God. Simple, the Son of the Father. This is why we are children of the Father .

Act 17:28-31

We are The Father's children, who appointed Jesus. ( Jesus wasn't included as the owner of the children ) you are exposed


" For we live, move, and exist because of him, as some of your own poets have said: ‘…Since we are his children, too.’[n] 29 So if we are God’s children, we shouldn’t think that the divine being is like gold, silver, or stone, or is an image carved by humans using their own imagination and skill. 30 Though God has overlooked those times of ignorance, he now commands everyone everywhere to repent, 31 because he has set a day when he is going to judge the world with justice[o] through a man [Jesus] whom he has appointed. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising him from the dead.”

Take note that we are called children of the Father who appointed Jesus.

It's clear we are in the image of the Father.[/s]

Gen 1:26 "Let US create mankind in OUR image after OUR likeness"

Was Jesus part of that US & OUR?

There's no how you try to twist this, I won't give you that space.

"MADE like "

Made means build, create, produced , structured , made is telling you he is built like them, . You don't have sense

Did Daniel 7:13 said Someone MaDE LIKE ? Or looked like ?

Ezekiel 1:26 uses the same like language of Rev 14:14 like a man . So would you say the Father is human ?

The Fact remains Christ has none of the authority he was given before he came to earth.

See the lying liar, so you have to throw away the LIKE there just because it didn't dance to your tune.

Jesus is forever the Almighty God and the ruler of the Universe. You can hit your head on the walls.

You seem to have brain drain.

Daniel 7:13 is a prophecy about the Messiah which is the main point.

You're still dodging my question,

Who brought Jesus to Jehovah?

Why would Jesus who was with Jehovah, have the same glory with Jehovah, joined Jehovah to create other things, who knows jehovah more than anybody will still be LED to Jehovah

These are the questions you will continue to dodge because your lying mouth will not be able to speak the truth.

Emusan is forming words now. When you tell lies, you will need to coin various words to support your lies.

Nowhere is Jesus called Glorified human!

The same Greek word applied to every flesh and blood was applied to him. Which means he is a man like everyone else.

No man can see God and live. Final!

Just as you and your organization always forming words too.

The body Jesus resurrected with is glorified one.

Jesus is human in heaven now.

If it pains you, you know what to do.

It's either Jesus is man or not. If he is he can't survive seeing the Father.

But the Father was in Him while on Earth

[s]Another point to consider : the Greek ND hebrew word for man refer to that which has flesh and blood. So is Jesus flesh and blood in heaven ? ( U must coin a different Greek word for a man without blood)[/s]

I've silent you on this before, so if you have interest on this, you can read our previous conversations.

Janosky:

KNOWMORE56, Emusan, Bishop LIENUS are confused by the Trinity GIBBERISH.
"By saying that Jesus Christ and the Father are the same person- God Almighty you are making Jesus a LIAR"
The screenshot evidence proven Trinity robbed their SENSE

You couldn't address my post only to come through backyard of mentioning my moniker after your deluded brother has advised you to stay away from my post

LANUX:
I wonder why a big country like nigeria cannot produce car engines and become a dominant force in the automobile industry.Big ups to the likes of innoson doing a great job.can't we import the steel and do our thing.is it that complex?

Any science or engineering enthusiastic person would have in one time asked this sane question.

In my own little thinking, I thought the major factor for this isn't because of our educational system as some already said but lack of getting first thing done first.

Making engine as this case, we need different companies to spring up first.

Not that we can't do it but until we are able to take the first step.

Do you know that Nigeria as a country hasn't experienced industrial revolution?

I once created a thread how we can come together to start the process of industrial revolution in Nigeria but so unfortunate that the thread only attracted few viwers and comments.

Barristter07:
Jesus wasn't represented as a person. He wasn't part of the NO ONE in heaven. no one refer to persons , not animals figures like A Lamb.

Even in Matthew No one does not include animals. Does it ?

The @underlined is what I needed!

The Father was not part of that NO ONE.

See how you think you want to ridicule KJV finally put your lying mouth into shame.

Barristter07:
The issue is not who he was talking to, the issue is to whom does the image belong.

Lying liar!

The issue is to WHOM He was talking to because whoever are the US & OUR even in OUR LIKENESS all plural means they are the same.

Your bolded statement can only be true if Jesus is the Father. Because the image of God in which man was created belongs to the Father. This is why Adam is called " Son of God " . Not son of Jesus, Son of the Father. Because he existed in the Father's image.

Oponu....
Adam was called son of God because God is that US & OUR even in OUR LIKENESS in Genesis 1.

Jesus image is a future project - Romans 8:28,29 . Only for selected persons , not entire people.

Nobody is Jesus sons , none exist in his image.

Once you exist in the image of God then you exist in the image of Jesus because Jehovah was talking to His Son in Genesis 1 asap US & OUR, even in OUR likeness.

You can keep even go against your organization just because you're confused and deluded.

And for your other rants about Daniel 7:13,14, Jesus is not human in heaven, Revelation 1:13 still say someone " LIKE " a son of man.

" LIKE " is a simile, comparison not metaphor. U ought to do this in school.

So when the Bible says Jesus was made LIKE his brothers it means He wasn't Human on earth

You'll see how the lying liar will change mouth now.

Besides, Daniel 7:13 is about the Earthly mission of Jesus Christ, I haven't even brought the other part of that verse yet to silent your silly mouth.

It says, "...I saw what looked like a son of man coming with the clouds of heaven..."

So there was clouds in heaven

Who are those that BROUGHT Jesus to Jehovah?
Why is Jesus who is the FIRST CREATED, who lives with Jehovah in eternity, who knows jehovah than anyone will be brought to the same Jehovah they both have GLORY TOGETHER BEFORE THE WORLD BEGAN?

Everyone can see your shameless lying.

I once point out to you as well that no man can see God and live.,

GLORIFIED HUMAN.....ode!

IMAliyu:
Thought I'd make this into something educational, and show the individual components.

The first picture here is the motherboard with the heatsink and fan.

Under the heatsink is the CPU (APU to be more specific).

Besides the CPU socket is the Ram slots to the left, and below the CPU socket is the bios chip I suspect.

Are you a student of electrical/electronic or a professional electronics repair?

Seems you have knowledge about electronics.

Barristter07:
You are mistaken . At highlighted. KJV uses " no man" cos of the embarssment it might bring for people like you. This is the true meaning of the word


Strong's Concordance
oudeis and outheis, oudemia, ouden and outhen: no one, none
Original Word: οὐδείς, οὐδεμία, οὐδέν
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: oudeis and outheis, oudemia, ouden and outhen
Phonetic Spelling: (oo-dice')
Definition: no one, none
Usage: no one, none, nothing.

https://biblehub.com/greek/3762.htm


It means NO ONE , nothing like human being exist in the word. It simply means NOBODY

Once again, Do you accept Revelation 5:3 means Jesus is also not among those in heaven?

You can see how you keep exposing your lying month.

You're the same person who tries to use that since the Jesus says "NO ONE KNOWS the day day" means Holy spirit isn't a person.

No that you are trying to eat your cake and also have it as what Rev is talking about is "NO ONE" and Jesus is part of that NO ONE

Fraudulent Jws

This is already bookmarked

Barristter07:
Rather shows Jesus existed in the image of His Father, as a creation himself . The Image clearly belong to the invisible God - Col 1:15

You haven't answered my question, was Jesus part of that US & OUR?

Fraudulent jws

Even your organization agreed that Jesus is the one Jehovah is talking to. Lying liar!

I think that's one Fact we can't deny

What of many facts you and your organization keep denying?

If all humans have Jesus image, it means all are righteous! Rom 8:29. Delusion

Man was created in the Image of God and Jesus is God...QED

You can keep crying over that

" LIKE " means Similar, it's a simile , NOT a Metaphor

Tunde look like a goat, Doesn't mean Tunde is a Goat. You ought to have done this in school[/quite]

I do say you're an Olodo and you keep proving me right.

What Daniel saw was HUMAN APPEARANCE, figure, shape that's why he said someone LIKE son of Man. If it's not about Jesus earthly mission then Daniel could have used His name MICHEAL to address Him.

Besides, you're still the only person I'll see interpreting that verse as, and just because you just want to continue lying.

[quote]After Jesus returned to heaven to get this authority, the expression " like " was used because he is not human , Revelation 1:13

" And standing in the middle of the lampstands was someone like the Son of Man. He was wearing a long robe with a gold sash across his chest. "

Some heavenly persons were represented also as having Face Like a Lion, Bird etc . LIKE means it's just a means of description , not who they are.

Even the Father was said to look LIKE man. Like makes it clear the Father is not a man. Ezekiel 1:26

Clearly, Daniel 7:13,14 was not describing a human but a spirit person. Who doesn't even have such authority until he was given.

Jesus is still in HIS human glorified nature in heaven, I've tutored you already on this.

Lastly, I can see how you boycotted that part of WHO BROUGHT Jesus to Jehovah

If you boycotted it, I won't forget you know!

Janosky:
#1Emusan LIENUS is confused. His sentence is NOT coherent.
JWs rejects Trinity GIBBERISH & won't propagate it.

It's only incoherent with you because those writings of the early church fathers proof Trinity teaching predated Constantine.

A pagan Roman emperor rubber stamped the GIBBERISH DECEIVING you.

When you couldn't counter those statement of early church fathers remember your organization says "What THEY teach is of INTERESTING"

Mr LIENUS DECEIVING himself.
Matthew 4:10, Jesus told Satan:
Worship only Jehovah your God, him alone you shall SERVE"
God is a "Him" , singular pronoun.
Kindergarten pupils knows that.
JWs SERVE & worship only Jehovah God, we follow Jesus instructions @ Matthew 4:10.

At least you agreed with Jesus in that Matt 4:10, so are you serving Jesus according to Daniel 7:14?

Emusan LIENUS arguing aimlessly.
Did Emusan see Latin Crux in bill Mounce Greek interlinear of John 19:7?

JaNosense arguing blindly.

How can one see Latin word in Greek writing

Are you sure you're OK?

Emusan no get conscience. He lies like kilode.

Says the greatest JaNosense the lying liar like his father the devil.

Emusan read BBC News/ Washington Post screenshot proven the instrument of Jesus death was NEVER known as cross

You haven't get cure from your delusion.

Where is the screenshot?

Matthew 27:25,Acts 3:14-15, Acts 5:30, the Jews did.
Emusan LIENUS & him Roman GIBBERISH

Even you yourself know you're lying for saying it's Jews who CARRIED OUT JESUS EXCUTION.

Did Mr Tsaferi tell Emusan the Romans executed Jesus on the cross?
Emphatic no !!!!!

Mr Tsaferi proved that Roman has never executed anyone on a STAKE OR POLE.

Where has Roman execute anyone on a stake or pole is what you're still disturbing Google for since

Clean your tears Mr lying liar JWs like his father the devil.

Emusan LIENUS is confused & wedded to FALSEHOOD.
Joshua 10:26 = Deuteronomy 21:21-23
Joshua impaled the king of Ai on a Pole.
Joshua also impaled 5 kings on a Pole.
(Screenshot evidences)
Emusan LIENUS shame on you !! [/b]

If I say you lack scriptural understanding, you'll think I'm joking.

Joshua ONLY HUNG THOSE KING'S body after they were ALREADY DEAD, which is what Deu 21:22-23 is all about.

CEV: Joshua made sure every building in Ai was burned to the ground. He told his men to kill the king of Ai and hang his body on a tree. Then at sunset he told the Israelites to take down the body, throw it in the gateway of the town, and cover it with a big pile of rocks. Those rocks are still there, and the town itself has never been rebuilt. Joshua 8:29

CEV: Joshua killed the five kings and told his men to hang each body on a tree. Then at sunset Joshua 10:28

Now compare this with the statement of that Deu 21:22

CEV: Moses said to Israel: If a criminal is put to death, and you hang the dead body on a tree

ESV: “And if a man has committed a crime punishable by death and he is put to death, and you hang him on a tree,

TLB: “If a man has committed a crime worthy of death, and is executed and then hanged on a tree,
NWT: “And in case there comes to be in a man a sin deserving the sentence of death, and he has been put to death, and you have hung him upon a stake,

You can see that Deu is talking about when the victim has been put to DEATH first before being hanged on a tree which is what Joshua did. No Jews ever put anyone on tree till died and when Jews later copied this practice, it was CROSS they used not POLE just from where they COPIED IT FROM.

I guess your Jesus was first executed before being hanged on your pole

Besides, Roman is the one that executed Jesus Christ and Roman never used pole to execute anyone. This is what Tsaferi says which you're still twisting.

So Mr JaNosense couple with lying liar.

Try to inform your brainwashed in the hall tomorrow about this

MaxInDHouse:
Brother, watch out for that moniker (Emusan) he's empty spiritually speaking,

Thanks for single me out.

all he's trying to do is get you annoyed so as to engage you in hurtful words.

Who got you annoyed before you start raising caustic word on this forum?

Such a person only need that as proof that JWs aren't angels (they also do say hurtful things to people)

See the hypocrite!
So I can only got you annoyed but the spirit of your father the devil in your will start manifesting after pretence of being gentle

So let him continue ranting, just give him the response (when necessary) but if not then allow him to continue talking to himself!

Just as you can't stop mentioning my moniker

I stopped responding to him and guess what? He felt so bad that he kept coming after me but just as i decided to chat with him again as a neighbour he quickly switch over to his real motive: insults!

Says the hypocrite that keeps insulting people here! I understand the severe pain!

So i cut him off immediately!

Let's see maybe he'll be able to cut him off immediately

Janosky:
To you, Emusan , is the "US" not your 3 persons deities?

The US is the TRINITY

So can you answer my question, was Jesus part of that US & OUR?

[s]Emusan claims the "US" is 3 persons, his 3 co equal Gods together.
My question :
Emusan is your holy ghost "THEY"?
How many persons is your oly ghost?[/s]

What rubbish is he speaking here

[s][b]Wahala for Trinity GIBBERISH.
Questions for Emusan:
#1
Since it's only your 3 co equal Gods together.
Why is your oly ghost not close to JEHOVAH?[/s]

Tactic to deviate from the main issue.

Was Jesus part of US & OUR? Is my question

#2
Why must Jesus be brought to JEHOVAH when your Jesus is co equal to JEHOVAH?

Oponu....when you couldn't reason and lack simple comprehension.

The verse was talking about Jesus HUMAN FORM after He had EMPTIED HIMSELF of the GOD'S NATURE.

The reason why your deluded brother wants to force that verse to be pre-human Jesus in heaven when in reality the verse is very cleared.

[s]#3Job 2:1, Job 1:6,Job 38:7 is the only true God Jehovah living alone in heaven with his 2 co equal Gods?[/s]

Stop jumping like kangaroo.....

Always remember to go home with your brain after dropping it at your hall.

Barristter07:
In short no such exist.

Check your previous post, you'll see it there.

In our IMAGE , not images. It's a single image belonging to the invisible God.

That shows you that both are viewed as ONE!

You haven't answered my question.

Was Jesus part of that US & OUR?

Image of Jesus is a future project by the Father , and only those called participate , Your foolish idea m and every human that ever lived was declared righteous and glorified. - Romans 8:29,30

Jesus is part of US & OUR or not?

The reason he was brought was stated right there,

Who brought him?
How can Jesus be brought to the same person He was with throughout eternity before the creation of the universe?

Your delusion never do

To be given authority which he doesn't have before!

The text is clear, "SOME ONE LIKE SON OF MAN" which is even evident since angels never have that LOOK of LIKE A SON OF MAN in heaven.

The text said nothing about the identity of those who brought him,

So Jesus can still be brought to the same Father he was with throughout eternity Even your father the Devil will so ashamed of you on this.

but it made it clear that Jesus wasn't human,

But it's LIKE SON OF MAN..

Are you OK at all?

He was " LIKE " son of man. Not son of man.

How many being in heaven LOOK like SON OF MAN?

The expression SON OF MAN shows it's a HUMAN BEING

This is what you fraudster can't stomach.

When in reality you're the fraudulent one here, claiming to be LIKE SON OF MAN doesn't mean He is not HUMAN.

IF Jesus wasn't presented as HUMAN in that verse why that expression in the first place, when you know He is a Spirit being?

Fraudulent liar!

Christ has no authority until he was permitted/given . Fact

You can keep crying on that

Just have it in mind that Jesus is your Creator and still uphold the universe by the power of His word.

Barristter07:
Fetch it and bring it here. You fraudster, show me where I said command from heaven?

Lying liar, you can do that.

Your lying mouth is always exposed.

Image OF the invisible God - Col 1:15

" OF " means belonging to

Jesus exist in someone else image . He is called son for a reason. And nobody is his own Son. Cos they never existed in his image

Romans 8:29,30 again

" because those whom he gave his first recognition he also foreordained to be patterned after the image of his Son, so that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. 30 Moreover, those whom he foreordained are the ones he also called; and those whom he called are the ones he also declared to be righteous. Finally those whom he declared righteous are the ones he also glorified. "

All humans are called and declared righteous since they all exist in Jesus image ?

You have serious thinking to do .

Let "US" create man in "OUR" image.

Was Jesus among that US & OUR? lying liar JWs like his father the devil

Someone " LIKE " a son of man

It didn't say a son of man. It says " Like" . Ezekiel saw something similar in Ezekiel 1:26 , only an idiot would say that means God is human.

Not human. The person is Divine. It's even impossible for an human to see God himself and remain alive. The point is clear , even in his Divine nature , Jesus doesn't have rulership or authority over any man until he came to earth and was given authority.

This is from the translation you quoted

"and THEY brought him up CLOSE before that One..."

Here are my questions again!

So who are the "THEY" that brought Jesus CLOSE to Jehovah?

Isn't Jesus the ONLY ONE WITH THE FATHER?

Why must Jesus be brought to Jehovah when is the very One who close to Jehovah most?

Wahala for the brainwashed JWs.

Barristter07:
So u can't provide command from heaven ?

Your lying post is there and it's already exposed your lying mouth.

Image not Images. Showing it still belong to one person.

This is so ridiculous....

So Jehovah isn't talking to HIS SON in that verse any more

If not because you're a dubious person, let "US" make man in "OUR" image should tell you how two persons can be viewed as ONE.

"He is the image of the invisible God " Col 1:15

Jesus exist in his creators image, just as we.

Nobody exist in Jesus image - Romans 8:29 is still there for you.

Jesus is THE VERY IMAGE man was created in, how many times will I knocked that into your empty skull?

Let US make man in OUR image.

Daniel 7:13,14.
“I kept watching in the visions of the night, and look! with the clouds of the heavens, someone like a son of man+ was coming; and he gained access to the Ancient of Days,+

Clearly not human nature. The person here is not human . It's clear who is ignorant now, even in his Divine nature, he needed to be given authority. Worse is it's a future one. Not something he always had

The reason why I do say you're ignorant and lack scriptural understanding is what you just posted.

Focus on that @color

If it's Divine nature, why must He gain ACCESS TO THE ANCIENT OF DAYS? Isn't Jesus the ONLY ONE WITH THE FATHER?

The literal translation is "...and unto the Ancient of Days he hath come, and before Him THEY have brought him near.

Reason why my translations put it this way:
CEV: "...and he was presented to the Eternal God."
DRA: "...and they presented him before him."
ERV: "...He came to the Ancient of Days, and he was brought before him."
KJV: "...and they brought him near before him."

I can go on and on.

Just as you said below but because of your lack of scriptural understanding and lying mouth, you couldn't read that in the text.

and they brought him up close before that One. 14 And to him there were GIVEN rulership, honor,+ and a kingdom, that the peoples, nations, and language groups should all serve him. His rulership is an everlasting rulership that will not pass away, "

You don't give someone who already have authority rulership . The point still stands

Your lying mouth will be shut down forever now!

So who are the "THEY" that brought Jesus to Jehovah?

When I say you watchtower false doctrines have beclouded your reasoning faculty you'll think is a joke.

Janosky:
I designed a motor car and built the components and I employed you,my son, to assemble it.

4 questions for Emusan:
Mr LIENUS who made the motor car?
Mr LIENUS who owns the motor car?

Hebrews 1:2
God made what?
Through whom?

Another oponu question.

So in essence, Jehovah created many things and not ONLY Jesus

One can see how sense is so far away from you.

Janosky:
Hebrews 1:2 & 1 Corinthians 1:24
= (Equal to)
Proverbs 8:22-30, his son, Jesus Christ is the Wisdom/ skilled Craftsman created by Yahweh, working for his Father, Yahweh.

Emusan LIENUS no get conscience

Wahala for the 8 men worshipper

No wonder you cancelled that Proverbs 8.

For more severe pain for the lying liar JWs like his father the devil here it is again: Proverbs 8:14-16 "Counsel and sound judgment are mine; I have insight, I have power. 15 By me kings reign and rulers issue decrees that are just; 16 by me princes govern, and nobles—all who rule on earth.

Now the JaNosense is more confused because he hasn't read his perverted NWT to that place.

You'll never receive sense JaNosense.

God Yahweh created Jesus the Wisdom/skilled Craftsman as the first of his works "before the world began" - Proverbs 8:22-24.

And the same wisdom is said to be doing what ONLY YAHWEH DOES "Counsel and sound judgment are mine; I have insight, I have power. 15 By me kings reign and rulers issue decrees that are just; 16 by me princes govern, and nobles—all who rule on earth.

#1 & #2
Sifia pains of a confused Trinitarian LIENUS.
#1 & #2 is the evidence of Emusan's failed attempt to defend to Trinity GIBBERISH

Yahweh created Jesus the Wisdom skilled Craftsman & ALL other things through Jesus Christ/Wisdom/Skilled Craftsman
.

Proverbs 8:14-16,22, is "Everything I have (Life, Power & Authority) is a gift from my Father" @John17:7 & Matthew 28:18

Just see how senseless this post is just so show the deluded mind behind it.

You can't even construct a very straight simple statement.

Let me just pin point the very point have been emphasized on in your own post at the red color

It's just so funny how you keep confusing yourself, all because you just want to keep defending lies.

IMAliyu:
That would be beyond me to know, but I'd assume a few times in the case of a car depending on the usage.

A computer not so much, I had a 7 year old hp laptop that died last year, the PCB was fried due to years of being a desktop and overheating from a clogged fan. Not once did it break before then.
The cause of degradation in computer circuits are usually related to power (being turned on and off, or a surge), and temperature (overheating). If these are controlled then I don't see why it wouldn't last up to 40 years.


Yeah, I do, and you know there are durable materials and alloys with high resistance to wear and tear?

What other moving parts are on the voyager, after the gyro?

Don't you think the engineers knew this when designing it?
Since it can't receive any maintenance, it would had been designed with that in mind. It will continue operating until it simply breaks and stops functioning.


The fans in my family house have been there since the year 2001, they've running this long without breaking, so far only a few control switches have been replaced.

So is it that difficult to imagine, something could be engineered to last for longer?

At the end, not unless we know the design specs and the specific tech used on Voyager, we can only be going back and forth on what is possible or not.

Now let me just elaborate on these two weak points of yours.

It will continue operating until it simply breaks and stops functioning.

Yet you're trying to claim they can build a machine that isn't subject to breakdown.

The reason why it will break and stop is because many COMPONENTS INSIDE ARE GOING THROUGH WEAR AND TEAR. if not it will never break down for life if those components can still be as they were manufactured.

At the end, not unless we know the design specs and the specific tech used on Voyager, we can only be going back and forth on what is possible or not.

But you are here speaking with authority as if you're there when the machine was being designed.

But everyone can see that no machine with moveable parts and electronics circuitry can last more than 40years without a proper maintenance in its lifetime.

Not to even talk about the electronics components they use in those days that generated huge amount of HEAT.

Janosky:
Mr LIENUS doing his beat.

1 Corinthians 15:45 New Living Translation by your Trinitarian mentors and Triune devotees.

Mr LIENUS wedded to FALSE claims.

The lying liar like his father the Devil despite bombarding Google with many questions on whether Roman has ever killed anyone on pole or stake and find no response, he went into ghost mode since then

Even from his Misinterpreted translation, he still couldn't counter that Jesus was killed by the Jews and not by the Roman

IMAliyu:
I don't know about being functional, but they'd pretty much be obsolete and out of use by now.

The same thing applicable to voyager 1

But you could probably find functioning cars and computers made from 1970s.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtcrv2pfnsE

Now this is becoming interesting.

Can you tell us how many TIMES those cars and comouters have entered REPAIR WORKSHOPS?

And don't forget that most modern gadgets are made for "planned obsolescence" to keep companies rich.
Here is a real conspiracy the light bulb industry could had made light bulbs that would last you decades without needing to be replaced, but decided to limit the life span of bulbs to keep them in business.
So here is an example of something made in 1901 that's still functional today.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centennial_Light

Not only for business, talking about machine with moveable parts where FRICTION OCCURS this is what leads to wear and tear.

Do you even understand physics of Friction?

Well, yes and no.
Those kind of parts would be made to last a long time without needing maintenance, but it will eventually break down because all things break eventually.

you can see how you respond is incoherent.

At the end it will still NEED MAINTENANCE.
So who is carrying out MAINTENANCE ON VOYAGER 1 which is more than 40years now?

Like how often do you check, or change the motor of your ceiling fan?

Can you show us a ceiling fan that has been working for over 40years nonstop? Yet within a period of 8years my family has used more than 1 ceiling fan in our sitting room because it has broken down.

Barristter07:
Provide where I said he would command them from heaven? You liar

Lying liar JWs like his father the Devil.

Keep changing mouth.

A creator in whose image nobody exists . Do you think at all ?

If not that your reasoning faculty has been left in your hall, at least you will know your organization also believe Jesus is part of "OUR IMAGE" in Gen 1

Daniel 7:14 Jesus doesn't have any of those authority before coming to earth. So much for Trinity, Busted! ...

When the ignoramus didn't know it was about His human nature and not His Eternal Being.

Lastly, the same Daniel 7:14 says you and your father the devil will SERVE Jesus forever.

Janosky:
Sifia pains of a LIENUS
Emusan LIENUS pretends as if verse 30 is not in his Bible

Proverbs 8:30
I was a skilled craftsman beside Him. I was His delight every day, always rejoicing before Him.

3 Questions for Emusan:
#1.
Verse 30, did 'Craftsman' another living being, rejoice with JEHOVAH?

Who is the skilled Craftsman working beside Jehovah @ verses 26-30?

In the screenshot Who is the skilled "Craftsman" created/Born by Lord Jehovah
@ verses 22-25?

Wahala for the this 8 men worshipper

The craftsman man is ETERNAL WISDOM of Yahweh

The skilled craftsman is eternal Wisdom of Yahweh

The skilled craftsman was brought forth by YAHWEH for the purpose of creation.

You sure say your brain dey where God put am?

You forgot you always leave your brain in your hall.

Your friend KNOWMORE56 asks "who is the "HE"?
I have responded, as proven by the screenshot.

Then the HE is the one who carried out the creations as those verses stated, not that another being.



Now that you agreed that the wisdom is another being different from Jehovah, then that Being must be God because according to the same Proverbs 8:14-16 "Counsel and sound judgment are mine; I have insight, I have power. 15 By me kings reign and rulers issue decrees that are just; 16 by me princes govern, and nobles—all who rule on earth.

You'll never receive sense JaNosense.

Emusan must reproduce the evidence for his claims ("which non of you could answer".
Bros , do the needful, let's see he's not LYING.
The ball is rolling in his court.

You've proven here that YAHWEH didn't use another creature to help Him rather YAHWEH ONLY created ALL THINGS BY HIMSELF as Proverbs 8:26-27 & Isaiah 44:24 clearly stated.

Severe pain for the lying liar JWs like his father the Devil the great JaNosense himself.

Janosky:
Why is Mr LIENUS worried about Greek & Hebrew the original languages of his Bible?
He loathes the truth in his Bible.

Proverbs 8:22-26
Yahweh created me, first-fruits of his fashioning, before the oldest of his works.

23 From everlasting, I was firmly set, from the beginning, before the earth came into being.

24 The deep was not, when I was born, nor were the springs with their abounding waters.

25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills, I came to birth;
26 before he had made the earth, the countryside, and the first elements of the world."


Mr LIENUS wedded to FALSEHOOD.

At least all you've proven for us here is that YAHWEH first created Wisdom and continue to carry out the remaining CREATIONS by Himself Isaiah 44:24 not through another agent

Severe pain for the lying liar JWs like his father the Devil the great JaNosense

IMAliyu:
Not really, that was tech from the 1970s, a scientific calculator, or your phone has a more complex circuitry and computational capacity than Voyager.

I love that @underlined.

So does that mean the circuitry of voyager 1 isn't subject to the same electronics degradation?

How many gadget produced in 1970s that are still functioning today?

And yes, it was made to last, but it will eventually breakdown, or run out of power which is predicted to happen in 2025.

You didnt talk about the MAINTENANCE PART, does it not need to the maintained especially the moveable parts?

Jerryherd:
Many man made object defy maintenance culture, especially if technology used doesn't rely on wear and tear

So you really thought voyager 1 doesn't have such

Think of voyager as a man-made bottle with a letter inside put in a sea to continuesly float, without refueling

But it's not like a bottle, it's a real machine with moveable parts where friction can occur.

For example it has three-axis stabilization gyroscopes, and referencing instruments to keep the probe's radio antenna pointed toward Earth.

Not to even talk about the ELECTRONICS CIRCUITS inside.

Biodun556:
So pictures of our galaxy, universe and bubbles are fake

Not only them even the real picture of earth.

All the pictures you see are just Computer Generated Image (CGI)

Jerryherd:
Voyager 1 is our real hope of capturing our solar system capturing our galaxy is just not possible

If you believe voyager 1 is outside there, Kindly answer these questions

1. Has man made any object that defiles maintenance culture?

2. Who is carrying out maintenance on voyager 1 since launch?

Let's start from here!

MaxInDHouse:
With this your write-up now think about how true Christians do the work!
Jesus COMMADED his followers to go and make disciples, then TEACH them to continue keeping everything he said! Matthew 28:19-20
So can you confidently say this are the things a member of that Church (you said you people planted) supposed to do under so and so circumstances?

No they'll only be reading watchtower and awake publication.

Remember Jesus' intention is to building a strong bond between all his disciples throughout the earth {John 17:20-23} due to the same line of thought they are expected to have through the TEACHINGS {Romans 15:5-6; 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3} so that LOVE will bind them together due to the TEACHING! John 13:34-35

Don't worry the church planted by Jesus Christ the villagers will only be reading watchtower and awake.

I can boldly speak of any country, city, town or village on this planet that once there is a Congregation of JWs there a JW from any part of the world can visit such a place and any of our brothers in faith will welcome him/her hospitably due to what we've sown in the heart of those claiming JWs there! Mark 10:29-30 compare to Zephaniah 3:9
Can you also confidently say the same thing about your so called church?

I'm only interested in that @underlined.

So if there's no congregation of JWs there, what will be the fate of that JWs?

I was once stranded in Isua a LG in Ondo State 2006, I got there late and the Okada man just pointed a church premises for me because it's my first time in that town and I don't even know anybody there. So I approach the church the man incharge came out, after I explained myself, the man neither ask me if I'm a Christian or which denominations am I. He simply offers me accommodation and treated me nicely till the following day before I could continue my journey.

Guess what the church is an Anglican Church.

That means the man only follow the admonition of Apostle Paul in Heb 13:2 and most importantly Jesus own statement in Matt 5:46-47 If you love only those people who love you, will God reward you for that? Even tax collectors love their friends. If you greet only your friends, what’s so great about that? Don’t even unbelievers do that?

So the ONLY love among JWs is anti scripture that the Devil your father is using to continue caging you people.

If Jesus only DIED for his 12 disciples there's no proof of love in that, but Jesus died for even those who also crucified Him is the greatest love ever displayed.

KNOWMORE56:
6. 1 Corinthians 15: 47 "KJV:The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the LORD (JEHOVAH) from heaven."

If they're being truthful to themselves, that verse should have read "Jehovah" but alas they know the implication, so they won't try that.

You have to know when the writers are referring to His human nature...

This is exactly what I use to tell them.

The day they will understand when the scripture is talking about Jesus before He entered creation and after He became part of creation, is the day their delusions will be cured.

MaxInDHouse:
It's OK, i've heard you, from now let's see what exactly you've got upstairs about your God apart from looking for ways to argue with others.

If you've not seen what I got upstairs about my God all this while then, can you see the reason why you're so ignorant and confused?

Anyways, you can see that Emusan isn't a misinformed Christian that's why even some of your brothers I have had discussions with in the past taught I'm an ex-JWs and they tag me Apostate and even advice other to stop replying me when I haven't even stepped my foot in the kingdom hall environment not to talk of entering it.

I'll stop responding to you for now, go and talk, say something about your God!

You don't need to say it before you do and this is not the first time you'll say this on this forum.

Like I said, I've been saying something about my God which is the reason you're once happy that since I live in the north, your terrorist brothers will harm me.

Late 2019 before Covid19 started, we went to a typical village in Abuja for evangelism, and planted a church for Christ. This is a village that you will hardly see one person speaking English and no single church in that village until the one God planted not to talk of having access to internet.

I guess, if your demonic organization later find her way into that same village years later, you'll now be enjoying the benefits of this grate work God wrought through us and started claiming the people who first came aren't misinformed churchgoers

I can tell you some remote village where the true followers of Christ have conquered for Christ in the North. It's not about jumping from thread to thread or downloading few pictures on facebook group and you'll think you're making sense.

Lastly, your father the devil will always be a loser because it has nothing in Christ but just as Christ says, "If you abide in me, you will have fruits even MORE"

MaxInDHouse:
[s]The bolded in red is enough to tell the difference between true Christians and misinformed Churchgoers!
You are on a forum like this where people talk about their God and your own interest is not to say anything about your own God for months! Until you feel irritated about what others are saying then you joined purposely to start arguing with people who are interested in the words of their own God!

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm there's great difference between true Christians and misinformed Churchgoers! [/s]

Read my post again this time slowly without putting your hall cap on

MaxInDHouse:
At that time those who fear Jehovah spoke with one another, each one with his companion, and Jehovah kept paying attention and listening. And a book of remembrance was written before him for those fearing Jehovah and for those meditating on his name! Malachi 3:16

Still perambulating!

Emusan let your heart move you to speak with others about your God if truly you've got something good to share about your God or don't you have anything at all to share with others about your God?

If I'm not speaking with others about God, how will Russell and his pagan team will know about God before they turn away from Him?

Even reason why you have opportunity to convert from Islam to JWs and enjoying freedom that came with the sacrifices the true followers of Christ made over the years.

If not you'll still be stuck in your Islam by now