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Kobojunkie:
1. What did God do in regards to "fasting" in Isaiah 58.

God addressed the wrong ATTITUDES of people towards FASTING and not CONDEMNED fasting itself.

2. Words can have many meanings applied to them. That should not be rocket science now, should it?

Then give us the meaning of FASTING as being used in the scripture. Let's see whether there's two meanings to it.

3. I suggest you pay close attention cause beginning in verse 6 of Isaiah 58, God goes on to tell you what He wants for you to do instead on your days of Fasting .I.e. God re-defined fasting for those who are His followers.

Yet God's prophets still FAST by starving themselves after Isaiah was written.

So do you agree they disobeyed God?

Kobojunkie:
See Isaiah 58 for God's own definition of Fasting, the only kind that He, God, will cause Him to answer you when you obey.

Firstly, God didn't define FASTING in Isaiah 58

Secondly, the word FASTING as being used in the scripture is to abstain from FOOD, no two definition for it.

Lastly, if you read the contents of that Isaiah 58 very well you'll know that God wasn't against FASTING but the wrong ATTITUDES OF THOSE WHO ARE FASTING!

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted was a misconception!

If we're to go by what you people term as fasting then we can say Jesus never fasted at all!

First of all he never intended starving himself the way credulous religionists like you are doing now, it was God's Holy Spirit that directed Jesus into the wilderness (where there is no food) Secondly we should recall that the same thing happened to Moses and Elijah and it wasn't recorded as fasting because they never intended starving themselves! Exodus 34:27-28; 1Kings 19:8
Thirdly Jesus was hungry later something a person who intentionally fasted must not revealed according to Jesus himself {Matthew 6:16} and ever since then Jesus never repeated such showing that he didn't intentionally go on some hunger strike!
Lastly when other religionsts of his time noticed that his followers don't practice fasting they approached him! Matthew 9:14

Please if Jesus' truly instituted some kind of fasting do you think observers won't notice it, just as John's disciples could vouch for the Pharisees that they practice FASTING!

The truth is you people can't understand what is written in our book unless we teach you but if you feel you're ok with what you're doing we will leave you alone, it's just a pity that most ignorant ones in your midst are dying of stomach ulcers!




YES Jesus talked about FASTING but he wasn't referring abstinence from food!

From a reputable dictionary, can you give us the meaning of the word FASTING?

So ridiculous how you people will twist things just to suit your demonic doctrines.

You said Jesus talked about FASTING, then what is the meaning of the word FASTING

Janosky:
@ Matthew 28:20, Jesus Christ & your Bible knows who is fooling himself. Bros, Your GIBBERISH is pointless. Mr LIENUS DECEIVING himself

So where was Jesus commanded not to celebrate birthday?
Where was Jesus commanded the use of wedding ring?
JaNosense the great lying liar like his father the Devil.

Janosky:
Mr LIENUS Mumu post.
Sifia painment wound you there.

The great JaNosense the son of his father the Devil

Your painment has no end for now.

John 19:6 - Jubilee Bible
When the princes of the priests and the servants saw him, they cried out, saying, crucify him, crucify him. [Gr. stauroo hang him on a stake] Pilate said unto them, Take him, and crucify him, for I find no fault in him."

John 19:6 Complete Jewish Bible
6 When the head cohanim and the Temple guards saw him they shouted, “Put him to death on the stake! Put him to death on the stake!” Pilate said to them, “You take him out yourselves and put him to death on the stake, because I don’t find any case against him.


John 19:6 - New World Translation of The Holy Scriptures
However, when the chief priests and the officers saw him, they shouted: ' To the stake with him!. To the stake with him!" Pilate said to them: 'Take him yourselves and execute him, for I do not find any fault in him.'


John 19:6 - Orthodox Jewish Bible
Therefore, when the Rashei Hakohanim and the mesharetim saw Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach, they cried out, saying, Hang him on HaEtz! Hang him on HaEtz! Pilate says to them, You take him and you hang him on HaEtz! I find no avon in him. [DEVARIM 21:22]


John 19:6 - The Scriptures 1998
So when the chief priests and officers saw Him, they shouted, saying, “Impale! Impale!” Pilate said to them, “You take Him and impale Him, for I find no guilt in Him.”

It's not today your cherry pick and twisted mouth has been exposed

Complete Jewish Bible: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1

JUB: ¶ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with the God, and the Word was God. John 1:1

OJB: Bereshis (in the Beginning) was the Dvar Hashem [YESHAYAH 55:11; BERESHIS 1:3], and the Dvar Hashem was agav (along with, etzel, Mishle 8:30;30:4) Hashem, and the Dvar Hashem was nothing less, by nature, than Elohim! [Psa 56:11(10); Yn 17:5; Rev. 19:13 i.e., the Ma’amar Memra] John 1:1

The scripture: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with Elohim, and the Word was Elohim. John 1:1

New World Translation: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god. John 1:1

Orthodox Jewish Bible, the Jubilee Bible, Complete Jewish Bible, the Scriptures (a Jewish Bible too) proven NWT Bible rendition of the Greek text is super accurate.

Orthodox Jewish Bible, the Jubilee Bible, Complete Jewish Bible, the Scriptures (a Jewish Bible too) proven NWT Bible rendition of the Greek text is super inaccurate.

Emusan is a deluded hypocritical bigot filled with anger against JWs.
Mr LIENUS, worshipper of Cross, shame on you.

I understand your painment, because your gods are already being defeated. So you can't bear the pain no more.

JaNosense the lying liar JWs like his father the devil.

The lying liar JaNosense like his father the devil has started with his Mumbo Jumbo.

Janosky:
Annual birthdays celebrations is a pagan creation, dubbed a "special day" to celebrate the Birthday of their god, a pagan king in office.
Genesis 40:20,Matthew 14:6, Acts12:21-22.

Did Jesus Christ and the Israelites know these facts?

The bitter truth is Yes .


Therefore, @ Matthew 28:20 & Galatians 4:8-11. Deuteronomy 4:2 Revelation 22:18, Jesus & Paul will NOT add their own & go beyond what is written.

1 Corinthians11:1 ,Will you imitate Jesus & Paul's example of Obedience?

Or

1 Samuel 15:22, copy king Saul and provide insipid excuses...

The question is, was it pagan who CREATED THE DAY or Jehovah?

When you're done with your delusion, answer my question.

Janosky:
You can't understand Ijaw or Igbo languages more than the native speakers or indigenes.
The indigenes,the Jews say your claim is FALSE.

Bros,no dey DECEIVE yourself.

Says the deluded JWs who took NWT twisted version of the Bible that has no Hebrew and Greek scholars support as number one above the versions put forth by the native of Hebrews and Greeks.

You can see how hypocrisy is ruining your life.

achorladey:
Simple answer

Matthew 28:20 was sent to the earth in year 2000. They were not alive to see the instructions to keep all the things he had commanded including not celebrating birthdays.

Well what do I know? Jano is the educated literate here. He should know better.

You really got it!

KNOWMORE56:
It was Pharoh of Egypt that created the day. Lol

Don't mind them!

DappaD:
Sorry, what? Was it pagans who created ornamental plants now or Jehovah God? Genesis 2:9
Your points do not have to be this weak and weightless, but I guess I shouldn’t have expected much.

So was it pagan who created and established the DAY which people are celebrating?

I can see you can't stop defending your man made God's.

MaxInDHouse:
Of course they are MODERN DAY servants of JEHOVAH searching the scriptures to figure out what could be wrong with Christianity and why are the fruitage not manifesting globally as expected? Matthew 7:16-18; John 13:34-35

Another delusion, MODERN DAY servants of Jehovah that are allowed to celebrate birthdays and Christmas.

When your delusions are beclouding your sense of reality.

Are they searching the scriptures or they CLAIMED THEY WERE BEEN INSPIRED?

So as the light continue to get brighter and brighter {Proverbs 4:18}

Which means the people of old lived in total darkness

they were making changes until they are able to wash away all those filthy pagan customs

At least you agreed that Russell, Rutherford and Knorr died as pagan worshippers.

{Revelations 7:14} hindering the Holy Spirit from manifesting in their midst. Romans 6:1

That's nice as you know Holy Spirit never manifests in the midst of your lying organization.

That's why today it's only within this group that all the qualities of God's Holy Spirit can be seen,

When Holy Spirit manifestation never occurred in your midst.

unlike others worshiping and expecting God to come down and remove Nepotism, Racism and Politics,

Can you support this with fact?

JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are quenching all the missiles that Satan is firing about causing hatred and WARS throughout the earth! Ephesians 6:11 compare to Isaiah 54:17

No wonder your organization labour in vain for over 100 years without much fruits because they have no connection with the one who says "if you abide in me, you'll have MUCH FRUTS"

Barristter07:
Neither yourself nor him understand what you are quoting, cos the post solidify my post above. Emphasis on " The use of calendars"

This thread proved beyond doubt that the organizers of birthdays did in celebration of their pagan god whom pharaoh represent.

Hypocrite!

His post clearly put your lying mouth in the coven of your father the devil.

Because it's boldly says wedding ring is of PAGAN which you've been trying to twist despite providing different reliable sources.

Janosky:
2 Corinthians 13:11 (compare Luke 24:25-27,45)
Finally, brothers and sisters, rejoice, mend your ways, be comforted, be like-minded, live in peace; and the God of love and peace will be with you"

Galatians 2:11-14, Peter mended his ways.
Jehovah's Servants will continue to "mend their ways" to please Jehovah God.

So why didn't Russell, Rutherford & Knorr mend their way before died as pagan

Barristter07:
Examine the highlighted which form the basis of this tradition. What connection does it have with pagan gods ?


Compared with Birthdays that revered the birth of Pharaohs as god [Horus] , a pagan god.

Delusion grandeur is when you assume the statement pagan origin means anything non believers do is wrong. Rather it means it has connection with a pagan god.

Waooooooooo

I just love the way you're exposing your shameless lying mouth on this thread.

From "No wonder the world book encyclopedia was RIGHT" to "Delusion grandeur is when you assume the statement pagan origin means ANYTHING NON BELIEVERS is wrong."

@archoladey has done enough justice to that.

Everyone can see your shameless lying face in action.

Barristter07:
Rather see verse 5 .

" When a period of feasting [by the sons, verse 4] had run its course, Job would make arrangements for them to be purified "

A wise person could see here that this particular feast is strictly organized by the sons, which doesn't fit the narrative of a birthday which is for both men and women. Every year only this sons organize this feast. This is not birthday!

But you have to dubiously inserted verse 4 into it by yourself.

Fraudster!

At least you agreed that it's EVERY YEAR

This is birthday!

Continue to cry over it

Barristter07:
humans and angels are not called god Horus .

I gave the source already.

Egyptologist and bible Scholar Dr. James Hoffmeier comments: this birthday is referencing the subject [pharaoh ] coronation date, since that would have been the Pharaoh's "birth" as a god.


Disprove that.


Na pagan celebration you carry for head like gala. No single servant of God even do am.

My points are over cleared on this thread!

But Russell did it
Rutherford did it
Knorr did it

Are they not servants of Jehovah?

Janosky:
The truth is Clear, Jesus Christ is the archangel Michael.
Who wan vex, please exercise your right.
You can't change the holy Scriptures.

So where was it written in the Holy scripture that Jesus is Angel Michael?

It's evident who is angry profoundly and changing the Holy scripture on this thread.

JaNosense the lying liar JWs like his father the Devil.

needanswer:
You are right, I am satisfied. I am not yet a JW, I believe examine if maybe there was something BETTER elsewhere. That part he said he doesnt know which is not helpful.

Sorry to cheap in this, I found those two @underlined statements contradicting because when you're satisfied with something you don't look else where.

Well becoming a JWs is your choice and you won't be the last person.

People will continue to change from one religion to another based on their personal view or direct encounter with the True God.

The good news is that all Biblical figures had this same direct encounter with the True God and Jesus said in John 14:21 that "whoever loves Him, He will manifest/reveal/show HIMSELF to him"

This is what I called knowing God beyond letters.

Barristter07:
" ... put a ring on his hand " Luke 15:22

What's special about rings?

Something is special because it's pagan origin!

People celebrate Wedding , Jesus attended one.

Who is talking about wedding or Jesus attended wedding?

And people use rings on their hands.

Show us the servants of God who put ring in their fingers

Don't forget pharaoh gave Joseph a signet ring,

And the same Pharaoh is viewed as god, that's wonderful.

Yet Many Jews use rings on their fingers. So the idea of wearing rings have no condemnation.

Can you show us where the idea of celebrating birthdays has condemnation?

Show us one that did their birthday celebration ?

Do you show us one that wear ring?

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In case you lost in your own delusion, let me recap for you.

1. Your point centered on Birthday has a pagan origin
2. Lev 18:3 asked the Israelites not to PRACTICE any of the Egyptian and Canaan customs.

Now!

1. Wedding ring is a pagan practice as can be confirmed throughout history.

Ancient Egypt: Ring of infinity

Ancient Egyptians are said to have been the first to use rings in a wedding ceremony, as early as 3000 BC. Rings were made of braided hemp or reeds formed into a circle— the symbol of eternity, not only for the Egyptians, but many other ancient cultures. The hole in the ring’s center represented a gateway or door leading to future events. These rings were placed on the fourth finger of the left hand (known as the ring finger) as Egyptians believed a vein ran from that finger straight to the heart, and this practice is said to be the origins of many later traditions." Source Here

2. If the instruction of Lev 18:3 is that Israelites shouldn't put hands in any practices they see the Egyptians doing, and wedding ring originated from Egypt, then only a bias mind will contradict his own point of view here.

Q.E.D

Barristter07:
The same verse recorded their sisters as mere invitees, So are you subscribing to the idea that women are mere invitees to a birth day ?

Na wah

I didn't give much attention to that Job from beginning because I thought @achorladey has done enough justice to that but I see you derive joy in your ignorance and delusion.

Here is the verse in NIV

"His sons used to hold feasts in their homes on their birthdays, and they would invite their three sisters to eat and drink with them."

Everyone can see the verse didn't say, the sisters don't hold their own birthdays but WHENEVER THEIR BROTHERS DID they'll be invited.

Everyone knows Bible mostly silent on female issues but to satisfy your delusion you have to interject your own twisting theory.

Barristter07:
Egyptologist Dr. James Hoffmeier comments: this is referencing the subject [pharaoh ] coronation date, since that would have been the Pharaoh's "birth" as a god.

That's the source of the Statement quoted.

Was pharaoh not viewed as a god ( Horus) ?

Was humans and angels not said to be god?

We're still waiting for your source to support your lies.

Barristter07:
Calm down. Show us a righteous man that did their birthday after isrealites left Egypt ?

Hypocrite!

Can you show us a righteous man that use wedding ring after Israelites left the Egypt?

Barristter07:
Show me a single reference of that Hebrew word that mean birthdays?

It was used other times in scripture to mean an appointed time , not birthdays.

So you didn't do your research on that.

Only Men celebrate birthdays ?

Job sons was recorded to celebrate birthday in the scripture likewise.

Barristter07:
" In particular, during the first two centuries of Christianity there was strong opposition to recognizing birthdays of martyrs or, for that matter, of Jesus. Numerous Church Fathers offered sarcastic comments about the pagan custom of celebrating birthdays " Encyclopedia Brittanica.

Keep jumping up and down...

This is the statement I asked you to provide a reliable source for, till now, you haven't be able, "so they were basically celebrating the Pharaoh’s “birth” as a god."

The same Christians of first-two centuries you didn't subscribe to their teachings are the ones you're rally around.

Would this comment be valid if it's not truly Established that Egyptians Celebrate birthdays of pharaohs for his birth as a god?

We need your source not just speculation.

In fact In the early beginning of birthdays, it was for Pharaohs. Part of their Customs which the Isrealites saw before leaving Egypt.

But they saw WEDDING RING and God warned them to do away with them.

Barristter07:
Just a single reference, You can't ? Shows You have been lying all this while .

Hypocrite!
That's the word for you here

Barristter07:
Who are those dumb scholars ?

Show me one reference of that Hebrew word that refer to birthday .

Is Google missing in your phone.

But why did you use CAN MEAN?

Which is the evidence that you know there's another meaning to that phrase.

By silent you mean they did but it wasn't recorded. No, you are wrong.
The text made it clear that only Job Sons organize that family feast , and when it goes round their Father will purify them.

If the reference was to a Birthday , Females will as well. Don't they have a date of birth ?

The content of that text is Birthday!

Job sons celebrated their birthday.

needanswer:
His previous thread highlights that, I am only on a fact checking mission, to hear both sides of the story without bias and draw my personal conclusion.

Ok

But based on your previous reply, I don't think you're doing any findings since you said you're already cool with most of the answers the elderly JWs gave you.

Barristter07:
His day NOT his birthday.

His day can mean a time someone chosed.

There was a custom in that family that the sons organize a Feast. So each will chose his own day to organize it. That's the reference point of the text.

@color shows once again, how biased you are.

The interpretation of that verse by scholars is birthday but for you to continue in your delusions, you said "CAN MEAN"

That you said the females are just mere invitees proved beyond doubt , that wasn't a birthday. Don't the females have a date of birth too ? if that place want to sideline females according to your point of view, it won't have made mention of them attending at all

That was the reason I asked whether you go to school at all or just decided to be ignorant.

Was scripture usually silent on female issues like men?

That the females cannot organize that feast is enough prove for a rational person that the Job text wasn't a reference to birthday's

Where from the scripture you read that female can't organized that feast?

Barristter07:
[s]Not hypocrisy but a Fact. Why can't you defend your assumption with a Single reference like I did ?

I said Jesus attended a Wedding, wedding ring is not an issue since God backed wedding celebration. provide one person reference for birthday celebration in the Bible by a godly person ?[/s]

Hypocrite!

That's the word for you on anything about that post!

Barristter07:
A Christian that join Ifa people to celebrate their god, eat and drink even if he is not reciting the slogan is valid?

@color is idolatry...

" When the pharaoh came to the throne he was instantly associated with Horus - the god who had defeated the forces of chaos and restored order "

Was this about birthday or you just want to be ignorant?

No wonder you couldn't back up your claim with a reliable source.

The Origin of birthdays is the celebration of a false god. This is not what Romans 14:5,6 is preaching. Not even Jesus or Paul who wrote the text ever made mention of their birthdays. More proof you are yarning dust

I can see you can't still provide a reliable source to back it up.

Which means you're just following the nonsense thought in your hall.

Romans 14:5-6 is about celebrating a day I CHOOSE.

needanswer:
Hello, so I have this elderly JW couple studying with me for some months now, do you think they are a bad idea? If they are what religion do you associate with currently?

Why the question when the thread didn't say anybody is bad?

Barristter07:
Jesus attended a Wedding . Wedding ring is not an issue. Because the concept of wedding itself was ordained by God. . So Lev 18:3 does not apply


Show me where Any servant of God did their birthdays ? To remove the credibility Leviticus 18:3 and Egyptian birthdays custom.

@color is enough for me!

That's a hypocrite in action...