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achorladey:
Abi in the voice of Max, those not going from house to house are NOISEMAKERS.

And since they don't go from house to house anymore means they have joined the noisemakers

achorladey:
many old books out there that they have tried unsuccessfully to retrieve all and that the "Apostates"(Ex-JWs) are making use of to burst open their stench filled history

Many of the old books leading members into APOSTASY infact citing one here made one call me an APOSTATE.

The instruction given concerning the reporting of field service na serious laughter. Their religious leaders can wake up at anytime to determine what and what not should be reported. Dashing out report seconds, minutes and hours as they please

One of the old book that'll continue to expose their lies is "Should you believe in Trinity?"

That book was so full of lies and distortion of truth that after people pointed it out, they have to pull it out of their archives and library but unfortunately for them, many people already with the book.

sonmvayina:
The creators of the character created and wrote it that way...just as the creator of the avengers have iron man fighting with the hulk in age of ultron..

Were you there when the creators were written it?

Kobojunkiee:
You are rambling again... simple!

And you keep lying again as simple as that.

Did God declare that He answered Daniel because Daniel fasted, even if for 21 days?

The reason why I do say you're ignorant of what you're saying.

Daniel receiving answer to his prayer was assurance that THE FASTING is acceptable?

Or wasn't because the people Isaiah 58 addressed didn't receive answer to their prayer through fasting the reason why God had to tell them why their prayers weren't heard in heaven?

You see the reason why you keep exposing your ignorance.

Is there any example of God stating that He indeed responded to the people because they fasted for x number of days even?
This is a chance to bring a case against God's claim in Isaiah 58.

The point that even Isaiah 58 addressed is ANSWER TO PRAYER. Which means, if people fast in the right way, their prayers will be heard in heaven.

And since no one knows the mind of God, then people will continue to fast until God answered their prayers.

This is the evidence from Daniel case, Daniel started the prayer with fasting which lasted for 21days but the angel said Daniel's prayer has been answered the very FIRST DAY. Yet did God condemn Daniel for fasting for 20days more?

You're just ranting on what you know nothing about.

Kobojunkiee:
Yet again, you jump in without taking time to properly read and understand the meaning behind what is written and what is being said.

Yet you couldn't point out my misunderstanding in your post when it is evident that you lied against God.

Ofcourse we should always believe what is written of God (the very Words out of God's own mouth) in Scripture

Yet you cling to that suits you and neglect the other part that exposed your lies.

and in Ezekial 36, God clearly speaks of 2 different spirits.... a new spirit, and then His own Spirit.
This is not rocket science for Pete's sake!

So if God speaks of TWO different spirits, verse 37 confirmed that the Spirit of God is what God will put WITHIN YOU "And I will put MY SPIRIT within you..."

Then can you tell us, what the NEW SPIRIT verse 36 is talking about?

[s]The same happens in the Gospels where Jesus Christ first speaks of the requirement of entering into the Kingdom of God -seek the Kingdom of God.

And then later of get another Helper, the Spirt of God, who He proclaims belongs only to those who continue to submit to and obey the commandments and teachings of Jesus Christ - seek God's righteousness - written of in John 14/15 and 16[/s]

I understand when your lies are being exposed, you must twist tongue again.

You made a claim that God never said HIS SPIRIT but reading down to verse 37 it was boldly written that It was God's spirit.

Kobojunkiee:
I am afraid that as explained by Jesus Christ being born of the Spirit(a process of being born-again) has little to do with the Holy Spirit. If you read John 3 vs 1 -21, you will note that Jesus Christ never in fact mentions the Spirit in question is God's own Spirit. He instead speaks of a rebirth of a Spiritual kind, confirming God's statement regarding His New Agreement people in Ezekiel 36 vs 26, where He declares that He will give them a new Spirit ( again not His Spirit).

Of course we understand that being born of water(yet another born-again process) has to do with what is written of in Ezekiel 36 vs 25.

@color you always try to prove that you know the scripture, whereas you're just lying up and down.

Reading Ezekiel 36 down to 37 it's boldly written that the Spirit God is talking about is HIS SPIRIT yet you're lying openly here that God never said that it His spirit.

Who should we believe you or the scripture?

"And I will put MY SPIRIT within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. Ezekiel 36:37

Or, this was not part of the scripture?

Janosky:
1 Corinthians 13:8 miraculous gifts performed by men will seize..
Point of Emphasis: performed by men
1 Corinthians 13:13 (compare John 13:35) only faith, hope and love remains. The greatest of these is love.
Any man laying hands on your forehead in the name of miracle, you're on your own .

Why your Pastorpreneurs dey add hospitals join their other businesses they operate?
Emusan, Do your gods of men advertise raising the dead?
Them know say them no fit do am.
Matthew 7:22-23 (NIV) Jesus Christ calls them miracle workers "evildoers".
Matthew 7:22-23, Jesus Christ says he does NOT recognize the scammers called "miracle workers."
Jesus christ knows their scam

So shameful how you keep exposing your ignorance and lying mouth.

If miraculous GIFTS performed by men will cease, when did Bible say it will cease?

The second question is, KNOWLEDGE was part of that gift, has it cease too?

Probably, it's true that knowledge has ceased from you people reason why you lack it.

And to even think that, you lying JWs claimed that ability to teach in MANY LANGUAGES which is the meaning of speaking in foreign tongues still exist in your demonic organization, whereas the same verse says SPEAKING IN TONGUES will cease too.

That's the hypocrisy we're talking about!

Janosky:
**1.
Emusan LIENUS, Fables of your gods of men

**2
Janosky says
"Only Jesus Christ will raise the dead when God's kingdom comes to earth."
Revelation 20:1-5, John 5:28-29. 2 Peter 3:13.
John 5:28-29.
" Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice and come out- those who have done good will rise to live"

Emusan LIENUS, who will fullfil John 5:28-29?
John 11:24-25, are your gods of men the resurrection and the life?

So Apostle Paul and Peter who raised dead are the resurrection and the life for them to raise death bah?

I know since you have been captured by your lies, no where to hide for you and your lying father the Devil again.

Vickyvice:
I quoted some that day . am not too free. May be later on today I will show you where and where it is stated

Waiting for it!

Vickyvice:
no am nor contradicting myself, u lack ability to read with a view to understanding/comprehending. D miracles Jesus performed was to build d Xtian foundation, so people know what will happen in a grand scale in future. The Miracles stopped With Jesus and his apostles. .......

And you're still not be able to provide answer to my question, where was this statement appeared that the miracles stopped with Jesus and the apostles?

When the kingdom eventually comes, those miracles will then take place world wide once and for all. There will be no more mortuary/hospital e.t.c what is so hard for you to understand?

Ok

Janosky:
This thread topic is about raising the dead.
Emusan LIENUS, Your ailment no let you see am..
Uselu candidate

Which is still my point that, haven't you heard testimonies of people being raised back to life from dead after Jesus and apostles gone?

So what is your purpose of bringing ONLY Jesus will raise dead when God's kingdom comes to earth?

The lying liar JWs like his father the Devil!

Janosky:
Let's examine the exchanges on the two Screenshots on 9th May & today,12th May...

On 9th May,2021 @ 9:05 , Emusan LIENUS FALSELY claim my 1st post is a lie.
He claims Devil is my father.

Today, 12th May,2021 @ 12:09pm, Emusan says he knows my first post on 9th May,2021 is very true "We know that and [b]that doesn't apply on a thread like this, I know you're pained whenever you and your father the Devil are exposed."[/b]

Nairaland moderators pls advice Emusan to seek professional help at Yaba or Uselu.
Is not too late.

@color everyone knows my point but only the deluded lying liar JWs like his father the Devil claiming not to know.

You brought that issue in other to claim NO ONE can perform the miracle of raising dead until God's kingdom come to earth.

But when I quickly exposed your ignorance and lying mouth, you want to change the narration.

No room for you and your father the Devil here

Vickyvice:
I meant after Jesus and apostles, there was no record of it....

Are you for real here or you just decided to be hypocrite?

Where do you want to see the record, from the same Bible or where?

like I said, it was meant to build Christian Faith, after which it would cease,

Can you provide where this statement was said by Jesus Christ or the apostles through the Holy Spirit?

till when the kingdom eventually comes, all miracles, including waking up of dead people, will take place earth wide

You're contradicting yourself!

Janosky:
I give you Emusan 3 FACTS:
FACT: 1
Jesus Christ is Archangel Michael.
Daniel 10:13, Geneva Bible ©1599.
Since 1599 Your Trinity mentors says JWs are correct.
Emusan is in sifia pains.

The same fact I'm giving you from Geneva Bible on John 1:1

Now, Jesus is Arch angel Michael the evidence is from GENEVA BIBLE according to the lying lie but the same Geneva Bible says [b]"and the word was God" even from Geneva Bible footnote of that John 1:1 shows Jesus is ETERNAL BEING which can't make him a created being like Michael.

FACT 2.
The Sahidic Coptic Bible is many many centuries far older than ALL, I repeat, ALL your Trinitarian Bible versions of John 1:1.
.

The idiot has ran to Sahidic Coptic Bible. Jumping from one translation to another.

But the same idiotic won't agree with the same Sahidic Coptic whenever it shows against your demonic organization.

No hiding place for you and your father the Devil.

FACT 3.
The Sahidic Coptic Bible (2nd/3rd century) & NWT have similar renditions of John 1:1.

Which makes it more accurate than your demonic translation NWT

Emusan,go & confirm this fact before your bigotry, LIENUS and anger dash you Hi BP.

[/b]

Not with hypocrite like you that I'll confirm any facts because I know your hypocrisy is height to heaven.

Tell me if you won't discard the same sahidic Coptic if it goes aaginst your demonic organization.

Janosky:
Janosky says
"Only Jesus Christ will raise the dead when God's kingdom comes to earth."
Revelation 20:1-5, John 5:28-29. 2 Peter 3:13.

We know that and that doesn't apply on a thread like this, I know you're pained whenever you and your father the Devil are exposed.

Emusan what's your problem?

See severe painment, hope you always take your pain relief drug?

Is comprehension too difficult for you?

Everyone on this forum knows you lack simple comprehension and intelligent

Emusan LIENUS, please enjoy your sifia pains you're giving yourself.
I dey my lane jejely, Mr LIENUS.

Your lane that your darling father the Devil put you, I understand!

But no room from twisting and lies from you nor your father the devil here!

Vickyvice:
his Kingdom hadn't come, all miracles recorded were to establish faith, after which they would cease, till d kingdom comes. This is a straight one

But there's evidence that the apostles raised dead after Jesus left which negates what the person I quoted said, or do you agree with him?

So where was it written that the miracle LS will cease after the apostles miracles were recorded?

Kobojunkiee:
I didn't lie!

I have no reason to LIE about such since it does not change or remove from any of what I have said on God defining, for His people, the kind of fasting He would rather have.

You're still lying despite exposing your lying mouth here.

Didn't you claim that God never instructed anyone to starve him/herself body's?

Also, Isaiah 58 is by no means a doing away of, or changing in any form the Old Covenant law defined in Leviticus 16 , which again, is a single day out of every year set aside for the atonement of sins. Every other time God has been seen to make changes to any of His old laws, He has approached it by swearing By His name, something He did not do here in Isaiah 58, meaning that Isaiah 58 is likely not about the definition given in Leviticus 16 but that which is not a part of His Law at all.

You keep perambulating about Isaiah when you don't even have the knowledge to grab the message.

If God is against FASTING as not according to the commandment of Lev 16 and REDEFINED it as you claimed in Isaiah, why the same God answered Daniel's prayer who fasted by starving himself for 21days?

Janosky:
Pastorpreneurs & Churchpreneurs know their game na arrangee.

Them know their scam no reach that level of raising the dead.

Only Jesus Christ will raise the dead when God's kingdom comes to earth.
Revelation 20:1-5, John 5:28-29. 2 Peter 3:13

So you haven't heard of Dead being raised by people since you were born

Besides, your last part is a lie, the Disciples raised dead and was recorded in the scripture, has God's kingdom had come to earth that time?

Janosky:
@ Daniel 10:13, Your Trinity mentors confirmed that Jesus Christ is Archangel Michael in the Geneva Bible since 1599.
That was before your first King James Bible of 1611 came off the press.
What's amusing is the FACT that the Geneva Bible as well as king James Bible were products from the same 16th century Textus Receptus manuscript. Translators of KJV knew about Daniel 10:13 in the Geneva Bible.

Very interesting!

This shows that 1599 Geneva Bible is accurate than your perverted NWT.

1 In [a]the [b]beginning [c]was [d]that Word, and that Word was [e]with God, and that [f]Word was God. John 1:1 Geneva Bible

Footnotes
John 1:1 The Son of God is of one, and the selfsame eternity or everlastingness, and of one and the selfsame essence or nature, with the Father.

Do you think the same translators who made this statement about Christ hold the same view of that Dan 10:13? Definitely you're the conehead one who didn't grab their point.

You'll see the lying liar like his father the Devil jumping from version to version now.

Kobojunkiee:
I am afraid all you are still doing is rambling at this point... again.. Simple!

The simple fact is that you lied that God didn't ask people to deprive themselves food.

Kobojunkiee:
The Law God gave His people in Leviticus 16 states that for one day a year, the people should abstain from food in order to atone for their sins. That Law applied to just those who are of the blood of Jacob.

The main point established @color which means fast = abstinence from food.

Which then put all your previous posts to be a LIE FROM THE PIT OF HELL because your initial claims have been God doesn't want people to STARVE THEMSELVES.

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But let me address this

Over time, the people adopted their own ideas and days of fasting in addition to that which God commanded, and we know it is directly against God's command to add or remove from God's Law. So, logically, for me at least, Isaiah 58 is God's response to the people on this issue, it seems.

The way you keep hammering on that Isaiah 58, one will think you understand what you're saying.

"3 They say, “We fast to show honor to you. Why don’t you see us? We starve our bodies to show honor to you. Why don’t you notice us?” But God says, “You do things to please yourselves on those special DAYS of fasting. And you punish your servants, not your own bodies. 4 You are hungry, but not for food. You are hungry for arguing and fighting, not for bread. You are hungry to hit people with your evil hands. This is not the way to fast if you want your prayers to be heard in heaven! ERV

Comparing the two @underlined statements, you'll see that God isn't against if you chose to fast on that said DAY (Lev 16) or you chose the fasting on any DAY for your own reason because God didn't condemn the DAY they FASTED BUT THE WAY THEY ARE FASTING.

so, what God wants is that, do the right thing when FASTING so that your prayers will be heard in heaven.

Kobojunkiee:
Again... I did not write the Old Covenant Law of Moses... Moses did.

Then does this mean FASTING isn't abstinence from food and people don't deprive their body food after Isaiah 58 was written, which is the basis of our discussion or what is your point here?

Kobojunkiee:

The book of Levitucus contains definition of Laws that are part of the Old Covenant Law of Moses which God Himself declared an agreement between Him, God, and only those of the Blood of Jacob... gentile world were excluded by God Himself from that very agreement.

So how is this AN OLD COVENANT LAW OF MOSES ON FAST according to you?

kobojunkie: 2. The Old Covenant definition of fasting written of in Leviticus 16, is only valid for only one particular day of the year to those who are of the blood of Jacob (and the foreigners who live in the land of canaan with them). Anyone who is of Jesus Christ that seeks to fast refusing God's in Isaiah 58, is deceiving self. undecided

Old Covenant Law of Moses is intellectual dishonesty.

emusan: Nothing like old covenant DEFINITION of fasting, that's intellectual dishonesty.

FASTING ONLY has one meaning which is abstinence from food but wrong attitudes and action can make it becomes starving yourself which is what God addressed in Isaiah 58.

Janosky:
Romans 9:20.
Bros, continue the mockery of your foolishness.

The thing pain am

The lying liar JWs like his father the Devil

Janosky:
Romans 9:20, whom are you to talk back to God when Jehovah shows mercy/compassion on his Servants?
Acts 24:15 & 2 Samuel 7:14-15 go continue to give you sifia painment.

So you know this but still ignorantly claiming people who are not part your demonic organization will be destroyed at Armageddon?

Who told you that Jehovah won't show many people you called religionists mercy/compassion

I know the brain dead JWs will change tune again.

WAILERS & MURMURERS will not enter God's kingdom, 1 Corinthians 10:6-11 dey your Bible?
Acts 24:15 & 2 Samuel 7:14-15, Romans 9:14-15,20 & 1 Corinthians 10:6-11, the WAILING Bros remove am from him Bible.

Liars, idolaters, murderers won't enter God's Kingdom but you claimed RUSSELL and his pagan team are in God's kingdom.

Can you see how deluded you sound and contradictory?

MaxInDHouse:
Go and receive blood nah i send you?

Can you stop people before except your deluded brothers and sisters?

But whether you like it or not food is good for the body!

Sure because the body was made to survive on food but depriving the same body food sometimes is what scripture supported and practiced by many true servants of God.

Kobojunkiee:
so how does this..
.. suggest that Moses wrote Isaiah 58?

because my "intellectual dishonesty" in my post is about Isaiah 58!

Now linking my intellectual dishonesty with OLD COVENANT laws of Moses is what?

achorladey:
See as I completely lost you inside your own very conversation

Just like you did the first time, pick out the lies. You are still unable to


But what has heart and mouth typed here repeatedly

1. Jesus supports idolatry

2. The WISEST KING SOLOMON died a pagan and will enter God's kingdom

3. God shows mercy to whomever he will including PAGANS e.g King Solomon and CELEBRANTS of BIRTHDAYS and Christmas

4. Achorladey already proven his own Jesus does not recognize Matthew 28:20

5. Just like Janosky already prove before me that his Jesus supports Idolatry and those who disregard Matthew 28:20 just like the founding fathers of the organization he belongs.

una see Janosky as him really be: LIENUS LYING like kilode because out of his mouth brings forth................

Contradictory, dubious, liars, lies, mumu, no get sense and of course GIBBERISH that carries wisdom of the world that is foolishness to God of all sorts too many to mention. Feel free to ask Janosky. He will surely supply the rest.

And you will understand the reason for all these blasphemy statements is just to prove that Charles Taze Russell and the early JWs idol worshippers are part of the heavenly ones who will rule with Christ.

Kobojunkie:
Old Covenant Law of Moses is intellectual dishonesty.

Again...

So it's MOSES who wrote Isaiah 58, you see the reason why I said you lost in your own thoughts on this thread.

The fact still remains that God never REDEFINE FAST that's your own twisted word. God only addressed their wrong attitudes.

Fasting still remains one thing which is abstinence from food and that's why Jesus can be in wilderness for 40days without food, likewise John the Baptist and even Apostle Paul and Barnabas.

I can see you couldn't address my question:

Was Jesus going about doing what God said in Isaiah 58 concerning fasting according to your own interpretation of that verse in the wilderness?

Do you then agree that, it means Jesus disobeyed God for not fasting according to instructions on fasting in Isaiah 58?

MaxInDHouse:
Emusan go and continue starving yourself after all dem no born you well to come and stop me from eating my own food!

And this is what you can come up with.

Shame!

Dem born you well to stop people receiving blood

Kobojunkie:
Again... God in Isaiah 58 redefined us what our fasting should be about. If you don't want to believe it, it is your choice to continue fasting the way you choose.

This is the point I'm still knocking into your skull. God in Isaiah 58 didn't REDEFINE fasting but rather address the issue of their wrong ATTITUDE during fasting.

Even after I quoted ERV for you, this shows that it's a deliberate attempt to mislead yourself not what the word of God say.

No I'll continue to fast the way people and Jesus himself did which is abstinence from food.

2. The Old Covenant definition of fasting written of in Leviticus 16, is only valid for only one particular day of the year to those who are of the blood of Jacob (and the foreigners who live in the land of canaan with them). Anyone who is of Jesus Christ that seeks to fast refusing God's in Isaiah 58, is deceiving self.

Nothing like old covenant DEFINITION of fasting, that's intellectual dishonesty.

FASTING ONLY has one meaning which is abstinence from food but wrong attitudes and action can make it becomes starving yourself which is what God addressed in Isaiah 58.

Jesus Christ fasted as a result of being out in the wilderness for 40 straight days.

Just as I asked the other person above, do you think Jesus can't be fed miraculously for that 40days in the wilderness?

This is the evidence that FASTING is abstinence from food but you people just decided to attach your own meaning to it.

There is no record of Him fasting again after that for over 3 years. The Pharisees tagged Him a glutton and a wine bibber for His habits instead. Would Jesus Christ contradict God? Nope, He didn't do any of that, it seems.

So during the 40 days of Jesus Christ in the wilderness, was He doing what God said in Isaiah 58? You can see that you just decided to twist that chapter.

3. When Jesus Christ was on earth, did He not read from the very same scrolls that were translated by the Pharisees and Sadducees, yet His understanding of even that which they supposedly wrote, was it not beyond theirs? Was it not the same scriptures that they used in deceiving the people that Jesus Christ read the Truth of the Prophets out of causing ev3n the very Teachers of the Law to marvel?

Jesus is the wisdom of God, comparing him with yourself is another level of dishonesty.

Even on this thread you don't even know God chose a day for fasting.

Besides, my point about scholars is that they understand how every words were USED and can give their opinions.

Do you?

You don't have to go back to the Hebrew or greek scripts to understand the Word of God. You simply have to do as God commands and He, again, commmands that you start by using the little understanding you have, promising that when you do, more will be given you.

I didn't say you should go back but if you think their opinions should be disragarded then you can do your own translation because if you trust and rely on their translations then their opinions should be matter too.

God said in Jeremiah 31, that unlike the Old Covenant method, in His New Agreement, He alone will Teach those who follow Him about Himself. Jesus Christ repeated this when He declared that He alone is Teacher and Shepherd over His flock. If you don't believe what God said, it's you and if you don't believe what Jesus Christ said, its also you.

You're still confusing yourself, after Isaiah 58 many people still fasted which is ABSTINENCE FROM FOOD, that's the point I'm making here.

No where in the scripture FASTING ever equate to what Isaiah 58 addressed which means you're the one who got the interpretation wrong.

My point again is that FASTING has always be ABSTINENCE FROM FOOD.

achorladey:
That could be has become e fit be sey in the realm of their religion and that e fit be sey has been causing so many confusion that they hardly note due to the level of education and comprehension of grammar. That is the problem the educated literate is facing now.

His same finger, heart and mouth will state in one minute something is not DUBIOUS, LIES, CONTRADICTORY and in the next minute that same thing is DUBIOUS LIES, CONTRADICTORY.

The same Jewish Bible that he wants to use as his salvation has become the the nails being used to pin him.

Well, he must keep looking for strange construct.

You really know him wella

Mr educated literate