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Barristter07:

the text said ONLY the sons organize the Feasts, So those ladies don't have birthdays ??
If the text were a reference to birthday's, are birthdays only for men ?


Answer.

Do you even attend school at all?

because a well educated person knows that, female children weren't normally giving much attention in ancient documentaries. This can even be seen throughout the scriptures.

Even the text still features the female by saying they too were ALWAYS invited.

Only a bias JWs will deny what they celebrate isn't birthday because the text is clear "HIS DAY"

MaxInDHouse:
The word (BIRTHDAY) is written in the case of Pharaoh {Genesis 40:20} and Herod {Matthew 14:6} and never mentioned in connection with a single worshiper of God so that case is settled!

But it was mentioned in connection with Russell, Rutherford & Knorr.

Definitely, they're not worshippers of Jehovah so that case is settled.

You are free to keep the Sabbath if you wish but God's word says Christians aren't under any obligation for observance of ANY DAY not even the Sabbath! Colossians 2:16

Just see how you're contradicting yourself.

But how come you single out Birthday here?

The focal point here, if God who established the great Sabbath day which was model after his own ETERNAL REST later sees no obligation for this same great Day observance, do you think God will bother Himself with a mere birthday celebration?

Janosky:
You're still not getting it.

No follower of Jesus or Servant of the true God, not even Jesus Christ himself, had any connection with annual birthdays celebrations.

We get it very well!

because Russell, Rutherford, Knorr are not followers of Jesus Christ nor servants of the true God since they have connection with birthday celebration.

Barristter07:
Exactly, even if he rejoices with pagans. Nobody should condemn him. He Chooses to do so.

I can perceive your ignorance, Jesus dine with sinners, does that make Jesus a sinner?

Know the difference between the two!

To participate with Pagan means you do exactly what the pagan did that day, you join them in their ritual act, incite their slogan e.t.c

You are seeing how disorganized your logic is.

It's your logic that is wacked.

" As supreme ruler of the people, the pharaoh was considered a god on earth, the intermediary between the gods and the people. When the pharaoh came to the throne he was instantly associated with Horus - the god who had defeated the forces of chaos and restored order - and when he died, he was associated with Osiris, the god of the dead."
- PHARAOH , World History Encyclopedia

In light of the above . See the below



Origin of birthdays
" The oldest reference to birthdays found in history goes back to ancient Egypt. When pharaohs were crowned in ancient Egypt they were considered to have transformed into gods. This divine promotion made their coronation date much more important than their birth into the world, so they were basically celebrating the Pharaoh’s “birth” as a god. "

https://medium.com/the-innovation/birthdays-the-most-famous-pointless-celebration-5b5940a269ca
See the above quotes

The funny part of it and to see how bias you are, you quoted encyclopedia article first then went ahead to quote A BLOG without a reliable source to back it up.

I'm waiting for your encyclopedia source on that!

Even the article says "...This divine promotion made their coronation date much more important than their birth into the world,..."

You are celebrating something whose origin has to do with connections with pagan gods, customs God banned the Israelites from partaking of. Definitely birthdays is not the point of Romans 14:5,6 . The text is not for festivals dedicated to a strange god as you confessed earlier .

No! I'm celebrating my OWN birthday.

Wedding ring is also part of that custom God banned the Israelites from partaking of.

Romans 14:5-6 shows I can CHOOSE A DAY TO CELEBRATE.

Barristter07:
When Logic fail you, it becomes a twisted truth. I presented evidence that the western wedding rings traced back to the Greeks and Romans, not as part of a false worship or dedication to a strange god, but a symbol of Marital Union , the same way a signet Ring given to Joseph by a pagan King signifies authority. Does God against what the symbol represent ? No.

So shameful that, your twisted lying tongue was exposed but you couldn't admit it.

You even have audacity to repeat the WESTERN WEDDING RING nonsense.

You rush to Lev 18:3 which says "So don’t follow the customs of Egypt where you used to live or those of Canaan where I am bringing you."

To drive your point that since Birthday originated from Egypt then God has warned Israelites shouldn't FOLLOW ANY OF THEIR PRACTICES.

Even the son called WESTERN WEDDING RING from Greek & Romans, remember they are part of CANAAN mentioned above.

But everyone knows WEDDING RING originated from Egypt.

So Lev 18:3 should be applied here.

achorladey:
We need to call his brother Janosky to come see how encyclopedia can be RIGHT despite being GIBBERISH from ATHEIST, PAGANS e.t.c which their religious leaders sift and call spiritual food at the proper time.

I'm telling you,

See how he endorsed encyclopedia forgotten that the same encyclopedia speaks on many issues including the one against JWs.

Barristter07:
In what sense was it used , dedicated to a false God Or God's command of marriage ? You are totally null here, because the rule of marriage applies to everyone irrespective of religion.

Wonder shall never ends.

This is one of the 7 wonders of lying JWs.

So wedding ring was used to God's command of marriage by a pagan Nation who also started a pagan celebration of birthday.

The Birthdays which started in Egypt didn't have the same tone, it was with reference to the belief that Pharaohs were a divine god. This makes this celebration a part of their False worship. THIS IS WHY YOU WONT FIND THE ISREALITES CONTINUING THE PRACTICE. It was banned ( Leviticus 18:3)

Still lying on the Pharaoh.

Show us where birthday was mentioned in Lev 18

You can twist scripture the way you want but people reading it can see the truth.

So where was wedding ring mentioned by God as what people can use on wedding day, since God accepted it from pagan Egyptians?

Janosky:
Leviticus 18:3
" You shall not do according to the custom of the land of Egypt, in which you dwelt...."

You copy this from your brother and I'm dealing with that already.

Bros, wear goggles dey read Galatians 4:8-11.
Read am to verses 8 to 30 and cure your delusion.
You done stubbornly reject Leviticus 18:3 & Galatians 4:8-11 from your heart but you no fit remove am from your Bible

Show this forum any part of the Bible where Jehovah's Servants- Jesus Christ and Paul celebrated their birthdays?

Mr LIENUS, Matthew 14:6 , did Jesus Christ know that pagan king Herod celebrated his birthday?
John 15:15, Why Jesus Christ & Paul no do am ?

JaNosense the lying liar JWs like his father the Devil

You haven't provided where Paul, Jesus and Bible outrightly condemned celebration of birthday.

Barristter07:
Earlier you used the verse like it automatically Give you license to any celebration, now you are saying it's not reffering to celebrations that have pagan tones , or dedicated to a strange god.

That's the figment of your own imagination not mine.

That verse proves that a Christian can CHOOSE ANY DAY to celebrate and there is no condemnation on that.

The origin of birthdays, The Egyptians used it to Celebrate the birth of the divine gods called pharaoh.

Can you provide a source for this?

Emusan " which has nothing in connection with a STRANGE GOD "

Yes it has nothing in connection with strange god.

I'm celebrating MY OWN BIRTHDAY not ANOTHER person's birthday.

Here we see that the text of Romans 14:5,6 could not refer to a pagan celebration Which has something to do with a strange god.

But the text of Romans 14:5-6 says I can choose a DAY I WISH to celebrate.

Is people celebrating birthday celebrating A GOD?

[b][u]World book Enyclopedia was right[/u.] when it says the early Christian's view the celebration of anyone's birth as a pagan custom.

Now "encyclopedia was RIGHT" by Barristter07 word on Mable.....

The same encyclopedia was right when it says "The earliest existing rings are those found in the tombs of ancient Egypt."

Janosky:
Mumu question.
You too love argument.
Who converted Saul to Paul and he wrote Galatians 4:8-11 & 1 Corinthians 11:1?

The great JaNosense the lying liar JWs like your father the Devil.

Now, my question is mumu and I love argument simply because you couldn't provide the scripture here.

Here is my question again:

Can you prove to us from your Bible, show this forum where Paul or Jesus, any part of the scriptures condemned celebration of birthday?

Barristter07:
" The Western traditions of wedding rings can be traced to ancient Rome and Greece, and were first associated with the marital dowry and later with a promise of fidelity. " Wikipedia .

Marital dowry is biblical. It wasn't associated with False worship.

False!

If I say you lack simple comprehension now, it would look as if I'm insulting you.

You provided a quote yet you didn't understand what you quoted.

@Color that Wikipedia article is on WESTERN TRADITION of wedding ring but everyone knows that wedding ring originated from ancient Egypt around 4800-5000 BC

Let's even granted the Rome & Greek origin, it still shows that it's pagan origin because Rome & Greek were never considered as Israelites.

So Why don't the Isrealites continue the practice of Birthdays they witnessed in Egypt according to Lev 18:3 ?

I actually countered your first post with that question not because it has anything to do with the verse you quoted.

Lev 18:3 is a cherry picked verse by you to twist the scripture.

Lev 18 as a whole was described as "Unlawful Sex.ual Relations" by some translations.

And from verse 6 God pointed out the actual things they should not PRACTICE yet BIRTHDAY wasn't listed.

Barristter07:
I think you forgot that those who attended a birthday party are celebrating another person's Festival too. , So the point here is not another person's festival. It's the Convinction in the persons mind about that day , that its observed for God.

You still don't that verse!

Ileya or ifa festival is a day DEDICATED to a god.

Birthday is day DECIDED by the celebrant to organize a FEAST for people.

So if I chose a DAY to do ANYTHING which has NOTHING IN CONNECTION with a STRANGE GOD and I'm convinced about it, that's what the scripture is saying.

Here we go:
The person esteem that Day as sacred for him or her and his fully convinced in his mind that he observed the Ileya Day or Ifa Day for God , Do you accept the verse justified this assertion , emphasis on " let each be fully convinced in his own mind " ?

No the person didn't, the people behind the festival did.

because you're not the coordinator of such.

Understand that verse well

MaxInDHouse:
There are topics that interests me not individuals with whom i can't relate cordially!
I only pick interest in those who wants to learn not those who always argue since our faith doesn't work together! Philippians 2:14; Colossians 2:4; 1Timothy 6:4; Titus 3:9
So once you and i aren't getting along it's UNCHRISTIAN looking for you to chat with, that's not what Jesus taught us it's the Pharisees, Sadducees and Scribes who always look for Christians to argue with knowing fully well that the Christians aren't going to change their faith.
You claim you're Christian but JWs know Churches whose members aren't hostile towards scriptural discussion that's why i always try to know what Church you belong!

Says the deluded JWs who doesn't have life outside Nairaland.

Do you quote people on Nairaland or not?

Hypocrite!

MaxInDHouse:
That's what God's word says! Revelations 19:19-21
That's why it's necessary to ascertain the group of people that's separate {John 15:19} from all other people who are just doing things the same way!

Oh that's what God's word says

But the lake of fire the person mentioned isn't from God's word, right?

See granular delusion.

MaxInDHouse:
You're just going through torments seeing the truth on social media so i'll cut you off henceforth!

Imagine, why can't you deny you didn't post picture of President Putin accorded and award to a JWs family on this forum and let your lying liar mouth continue to be exposed?

Barristter07:
" You shall not do according to the custom of the land of Egypt, in which you dwelt: neither shall you act according to the manner of the country of Chanaan, into which I will bring you, nor shall you walk in their ordinances. " Leviticus 18:3

Birthdays originated from Egypt , Yes or no ?

As at when this Law was given, the Isrealites has witnessesld countless birthdays among the Egyptians, Why didn't they continue the practice ?

Wedding ring originated from Egypt, Yes or No?

Barristter07:
Emusan, Going by the red ... Would you approve a person who Celebrates Ileya Festival with Muslims, Or Ifa festival with Pagans , since they are convinced in their own mind ?

The person celebrating ANOTHER person's festival.

It's obvious you don't understand that verse!

A good Bible student can easily spot the hypocrisy and unscriptural tune in this post.

MaxInDHouse:
Throughout the world today religionists are facing persecution one way or another

Good as you admitted that religionists are facing persecution.

Now the questions for you are:

1. What are they persecuted for?
2. What does the scripture say true worshipers will be persecuted for?

I'm waiting for your answers!

but noteworthy is the persecution of a global family of peace lovers!
This people are persecuted in their home land for refusing to support a race against another and for being neutral when there is political unrest.

The two reasons you pointed out here @underlined aren't the reason Christ said His followers will be persecuted for, so if this is what you called persecution then it's not Biblical but internal problem within your sect.

A mother and her son were both arrested, charged, judged and sentenced for being peacelovers!

And you still have JWs in those area, it means the rest of JWs there aren't peacelovers reason why they haven't been arrested.

When i read Jesus' statement in the Bible about how his peace loving followers will be maltreated and what Luke recorded regarding the persecution of Christians in Bible times i found it unbelievable,

Can you list what Jesus said His followers will be persecuted for and people who were persecuted and recorded by Luke?

Let's compare this with this your story!

i can't just grasp why a peaceful group will be the target of anyone when they're no treat to any Politician!

I could remember the same you sharing a picture of President Putin giving an award to a JWs family in Russia on this forum to justify that persecution of JWs in Russia is just a tool in media hands.

But fast forward to this moment, all your so evidences of persecution are from Russia.

Hypocrite!

MaxInDHouse:
But you can say the one and only peace loving group the world has ever known will go to the lake of fire, and you think that's sensible shey?

But it's sensible to you that over 7 billion people will be destroyed at Armageddon.

Hypocrite!

MaxInDHouse:
Can't you live your life without QUOTING me?

Just as you can't live your life without quoting people on Nairaland.

Janosky:
The truth is out finally
Afamsi says *Genesis 3:15 *Daniel 10:13, *Revelation 12:7-9, Matthew 25:31. *1 John 3:8. is "senseless to slaves of gods of men/slaves of Churchpreneurs"

Another person confirming that you have no sense.

Can you see why this your name "JaNosense" is so sweet to call?

JaNosense may sense collapse on you!

MaxInDHouse:
Na wah o!
See who i quote see who dey reply!
You well so?

When I say your delusion is stronger than your reasoning faculty, you'll think it's an insult but just see how you're disgracing yourself up and down on a public forum.

MaxInDHouse:
You just keep going back and forth my guy, as i've told you we've got a heritage and that is what you'll see in the history of our people we are different from all other people, we are JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Act 15:14
So don't think our ways will ever rhyme with yours! John 15:19

But what was actually in your history is that

Russell celebrated birthday
Rutherford celebrated birthday
Knorr celebrated birthday.

So how are you different?

Oh sorry I forgot you don't even know the history of your lying organization as you don't even know Russell said he was inspired by the Spirit being.

Janosky:
See as Mr LIENUS dey twist the holy Scriptures, dey DECEIVE himself !
Paul wrote Romans in 56 C.E, & John the apostle wrote Revelation in 96CE.
Bros, bring evidence to this forum that between 56CE to 96CE, Jehovah's servants paid heed to your manipulation of Romans 14:5-6.

Las, las 1 Corinthians 11:1 is in your Bible.
Mr LIENUS says Paul was contradicting himself.

Shame on you, Mr LIENUS

If only you can hear how deluded you sound, it would've been better but unfortunately you can't get help out of your confusion.

Now, JaNoSense the grand delusional and the son of his father the devil has ran to different in CE but was jumping up that earlier that "ALL SCRIPTURES ARE INSPIRED BY GOD FOR TEACH"

Romans 14:5-6 has exposed you and your demonic organization, that people can observe ANY DAY they want.

Here it is again

One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks. (Romans 14:5-6)

You can keep fighting against scripture but you will never win as your father the Devil has been failing from beginning.

JaNoSense may sense collapse on you.

Janosky: The LIENUS dey console himself
Genesis 40:20 & Matthew 14:6, Are birthdays celebrations "special days" to pagan Pharaoh and Herod?
Galatians 4:8-11 did your own Bible condemn your observance of "special days" celebrated by pagans?
Shey Your Rice and chicken is more important than obeying Galatians 4:8-11 ?

I understand your frustration and lack of scriptural understanding.

JaNosense the lying liar JWs like his father the Devil

Here is what Paul says aslo:

One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks. (Romans 14:5-6)

GeneralDae:
Oh really? I thought they were like deeper life who argues that it was used by Aaron to make a calf, so therefore it's rejected.

No! That was the hypocrisy we're talking about them.

Janosky:
* 2 Timothy 3:16 (Compare John 15:15)
" All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong"

@ Genesis 40:20 & Matthew 14:6, Did Paul & Jesus teach you both verses are inspired by God?

@ Genesis 40:20 & Matthew 14:6, did the holy Scriptures inspired by God teach you that birthday celebrations is a pagan practice ?

Are birthdays celebrations "special days" to pagans?

@ Galatians 4:8-11, did your Bible says you must shun "special days" of pagans?

The way you goofed when you brought in the issue of NO SERVANTS OF JEHOVAH celebrated birthday, you're goofing again.

I didn't see in any scripture you cites where BIRTHDAY was OUTRIGHTLY CONDEMNED.

Bible didn't TEACH that birthday celebration is a PAGAN PRACTICE, you can provide the scripture.

lying liar JWs like your father the devil

GeneralDae:
Just as pagans invented music, 24 hours clock, reading, playing instruments, Keeping pets, etc.
Pagans invented virtually everything. All the servants of Jehovah did in the bible was to select some practices and reject others. Those rejected were clearly spelt out and you have not shown me where birthday celebration was one of them.

You didn't even add the most important one

"Wedding Ring" which is a pagan practice but his organization still using till today.

Janosky:
Hallelujah !!!!
Emusan the LIENUS has proven to Nairaland that himself is a pagan, celebrates Christmas and his own birthdays.
Bros, complete that list, add your name there,jare

Yes oooo

Just as JaNosense the lying liar JWs like his father the Devil has proven to Nairaland that his founder and his team are pagan as well, celebrate Christmas and their own birthday.

Glory be to Almighty God.

Janosky:
Good point about marathon race.
1 Timothy 4:8
"Bodily training is beneficial for a little but godly devotion is beneficial for all things"...."

Bros, pls Use your Bible, show this forum where Paul extolled annual Birthday celebrations.

Can you prove to us from your Bible, show this forum where Paul or Jesus, any part of the scriptures condemned celebration of birthday?

Janosky:
Russell did a pagan practice, king Solomon did a pagan practice, are they your role models?

True, true, Mr LIENUS no get SENSE

So Russell a SERVANT of Jehovah actually did a pagan practice but YOU CHALLENGED US to provide just A SERVANT who celebrated his birthday.

Between you and me who seem not to have sense?

Lying liar JWs like your father the Devil!

The lying liar can't say RUSSELL isn't a servant of Jehovah!

Janosky:
Pharaoh, a pagan celebrated his birthday.
Herod, a pagan celebrated his birthday.
Birthday is pagan practice.
Nobody,I repeat, nobody serving Jehovah God did so.
That is the point.

Both men did terrible things, that's a side issue to the main issue (pagan practice of birthdays celebrations).

Lemme rewrite this for you because the list isn't complete!

Pharaoh, a pagan celebrated his birthday.
Herod, a pagan celebrated his birthday.
Russell, a pagan celebrated his birthday.
Rutherford, a pagan celebrated his birthday.
Knorr, a pagan celebrated his birthday.

Birthday is pagan practice.

Nobody, I repeat, nobody serving Jehovah God did so.
That is the point.

You just proof to us with this statement that

Russell, Rutherford, Knorr aren't SERVING the true God.

That's beautiful!