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Barristter07:
The scripture didn't say Jesus went there to help .

So what message did Jesus preach to them?

Again I ask: where is it written that the reward for sinners is Prison ?

The prison is the abode they are kept forgetting final judgment.

Barristter07:
No Person in the universe can know what the Son doesn't know about the Father .

We are clear . This spirit of God is not a person ...

But the scripture says Holy Spirit knows the very mind of God.

Barristter07:
The same way human spirit was said to know .

Did Jesus return to Heaven the day he died ? His spirit return , didn't it ?

Yes because human spirit is a person.

Jesus went and preached to the dead in prison

Barristter07:
Matt 11:27


All things have been handed over to me by my Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and anyone to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.

According to Jesus no one knows the Father Except the son.

At Matt 24:36 the " Son " didn't know. That validate the statement that only the Father knows. What Jesus doesn't know. Nobody else can know.

To claim holy Spirit is a person that knows what Jesus knows is to contradict scripture and make Someone else Closer to the Father than Christ.

The scripture says Holy Spirit knows the very mind of God.

Only a conscious being has ability to KNOW

Barristter07:
Where is it written that the reward of sinners is prison?

What message did Jesus preach to the already CONDEMNED ANGLES?

Was the scripture lying that Jesus didn't come to help angels?

Barristter07:
Holy spirit cannot know what Jesus didn't know . Let it sink .


Unless we agree holy spirit is an instrument of the Father. Not a person

But Holy Spirit knows the very mind of God according to the scripture.

How can instrument HAVE ABILITY TO KNOW?

Barristter07:
No human goes to prison after death.

Revelation 20:13 even made it clear that anyone died in waters are not in hell but sea . This is where People of Noah's day belong.


Jde 1:6, "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains, under darkness, unto the judgment of the great day."

This is the definition of prison. And Who say Jesus went there to help this angels ? You are deluded

You're still lying!

Angels who didn't keep their first estate have been condemned to everlasting destruction.

How does this make sense that Jesus PREACHED TO THEM again, even when the scripture was so clear about it that Jesus didn't come to HELP ANGELS but the seed of Abraham?

It's evident that Jesus preached to the dead human which are spirits.

Your lying mouth will forever be put to shame.

MaxInDHouse:
First and foremost, where is your evidence of the so called ponzi scheme?
Until you provide the evidence for that false accusation you'll, KEEP ON ASKING! Matthew 7:7

The most Ponzi scheme advocate, you'll ask for the evidence tire.

Using style to dodge question.... I understand bro

Barristter07:
If you didn't say so, If Jesus said he doesn't know something, what happens to every other person?

I can see the way you always boycotting my question.

You have to look at the perspective at which Jesus is talking.

Silence won't say " ONLY the Father " . This is a declaration of Fact

I've thrashed this.

Next!

Barristter07:
Scripture didn't say nobody else knows the Father like Jesus Christ ?

Scripture says Holy Spirit knows the very mind of God.

MaxInDHouse:
What is baffling is how some people claiming Christians feels a certain group is teaching heresy but instead of avoiding this heretics they're always yearning for what the so called heretics have to say!

Just as the hypocritical religious leaders among the first century Jews were saying Jesus and his disciples are heretics yet they're always yearning to converse with Jesus and his disciples, when they find out how competent Jesus and his disciples are in defending their faith with the scriptures they'll conclude that Jesus and his disciples have perfected their manipulation of the scriptures!

OK why not avoid them if they're truly demonic?
NO! This antagonists won't do that instead they are agitating that Jesus and his disciples mustn't talk in the public exactly what this people are trying to do now!

Do you avoid other people you always castigate in your publications?

You people will be dishing out different lies but when you are scrutinized you come up with different story of being victimized.

Anyways, still on the matter, can you help us reconcile these two statements from the stable of your darling organization?

"The Watchtower is not the instrument of any man or set of men, nor is it published according to the whims of men. No man's opinion is expressed in The Watchtower. God feeds his own people, and surely God uses those who love and serve him according to his own will. Those who oppose The Watchtower are not capable of discerning the truth that God is giving to the children of his organization, and this is the very strongest proof that such opposers are not of God's organization." Watchtower 1931 Nov 1 p.327

"The brothers preparing these publications are not infallible. Their writings are not inspired as are those of Paul and the other Bible writers." Awake! 1993 Mar 22 p.4

Barristter07:
So this is why I asked: Did holy spirit knows the Father than the son ?

***But you turn yourself to the Father by claiming you KNOW WHO JESUS MORE.

Scripture never said anything about that but we do know from the scripture that the Holy Spirit knows the very mind of God and only a BEING WITH CONSCIOUSNESS has ability to KNOW.

Even more is when scripture places the three together as ONE 1 John 5:7

Barristter07:
I did becaus I know holy spirit was personified.

So what did Scripture try to explain by PERSONIFYING Holy spirit as KNOWING THE VERY MIND OF GOD?

On what basis did you say holy spirit know what Jesus doesn't know when Jesus said no person knows the Father like him ?

I didn't say so, but the scripture says Holy Spirit knows the very mind of God.

With such attributes, it means Jesus decided to be silent on that basis.

Barristter07:
Yes.

Not dead people .

Now, your lying mouth is about to be busted.

First, the scripture says Jesus didn't come to HELP ANGELS but the deluded JWs says yes Jesus did.

CEV: Jesus clearly did not come to help angels, but he did come to help Abraham’s descendants. Heb 2:16

This is evident that what 1 Peter 3 was saying is actually human spirit in prison.

Revelation 20:13

And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them

Those in the sea are not in hell . Didn't your prison analogy fall like a pack of cards ?

Jesus didn't come to help angels- scripture
And that Rev 20 isn't about Noah's time only, so if you understand that then you will know what the verse is saying.

Barristter07:
I love this. So you agree no one else can know the Father like Jesus

You agree that HOLY SPIRIT KNOWS THE VERY MIND OF GOD.

Barristter07:
Jesus knows its not a person. Hence the lack of mention. If Jesus think holy spirit is a person, he would not have said ONLy the Father knows

Did Jesus THINK Holy Spirit is a PERSON or Jesus KNOWS Holy Spirit is a person.

This is why you are deluded. The answer is clear. Holy spirit was personified

On what basis did Jesus personify Holy Spirit?

Same scripture said Nobody knows the Father like Jesus . Are you trying to say holy spirit knows what Jesus didn't know ?

Delusion grandeur

The scripture says HOLY SPIRIT KNOWS THE VERY MIND OF GOD.

Can someone know YOUR VERY MIND and didn't know everything about you?

Oponu radarada

Barristter07:
Sometimes you realize knowledge is essential. Aren't angels called Spirits ? The text is clear enough. Angels of Noah's day

Angels are called "IT" another version from the stable of the most delusional.

Where in that verse did Angels were mentioned.

Keep adding to your delusion

God didn't keep any human in a prison . They are all in the sea, they died in water ( Rev 20:13)

So you agree Jesus preach to angels in the prison, right?

That prison ( or hell) as some claimed changed the whole narrative. Nobody who died in water goes to hell

Says who?

Where is the scripture!

Barristter07:
He is fully aware holy spirit is not a person hence the lack of mention.

Ole...

That's not the question!
Here it is again, did Jesus know that Holy Spirit knows the very mind of God?

Nobody else can know the Father like Jesus Christ. And for Jesus not to know the day and hour, not even anyone else can

But the scripture says HOLY SPIRIT KNOWS THE VERY MIND OF GOD.

Who should we believe, you or the scripture?

Barristter07:
I have . Can someone else knows the Father's mind like Jesus ?

Didn't the scripture say "the Spirit SEARCHETH ALL THINGS OF GOD" and also "knows the very mind of God."?

Inanimate thing knows your god mind

Barristter07:
1pet 3:18-20

For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit, in which he went and proclaimed to the spirits in prison, because they formerly did not obey, when God’s patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through water. (1 Pet. 3:18–20)

So this is human spirit? You this liar . People who died in the flood are not in prison or any hell. They are in the sea ( Rev 20:13 )

To even think that the deluded will first agreed that SPIRIT CAN BE IN A PRISON.

So Rev 20:13 was only FOR NOAH'S PEOPLE.

Jesus went and preached to the dead, you can hit your dull skull on the wall.

Barristter07:
It's a lie. Silence would not say " ONLY "

Did Jesus know that Holy Spirit knows the VERY MIND OF GOD. this is the question you haven't answered since.

So the reporter in that Analogy gave Buhari the name of the next COAS ?



Please answer .

Jesus has heavenly BEING knows EVERYTHING ABOUT THE HOLY SPIRIT, so no need of mentioning him. Get the same analogy into your empty skull.

Only the Father = a person .

Is holy spirit same person as the Father ?

If not, anything else is a Lie

Your equation to PERSON is still ridiculous no matter how you bring it and it will remain your permanent opinion.

livingchrist:
Angel's are Rauch, you can rest

That is the delusion we're talking about.

The next thing you'll hear from him might be that, it's a personification.

Barristter07:
That's a FALSE REPORT.

He won't have said nobody knows except ONLy Buhari.

It did " Nobody " which include you and I are persons . Angels, son, Father are persons too. In fact everyone in the universe is in that verse

The question remains how many of this person's know ?

Not a false report but the REPORTER decided to silent on what He/She already knows.

Imagine, the same deluded person has made a statement like this on this forum....

"Emphasis on " New Name Written" , The one who write the name is not included, cos when he was writing it, he knows it. Basic sense... the GIVER OF THE NAME is not included"

The verse says ONLY THE FATHER KNOWS.

Tthe question is, did HOLY SPIRIT knows the VERY MIND OF GOD?

Barristter07:
Quote that scripture that said Jesus preach to dead spirits . oniro buruku

1 Peter 3:19

Ephesians 4:9

Barristter07:
You are just one confuse fellow. Am quoting the same text where you got holy spirit knows the mind of God from, that same text said spirit of man also knows the mind of Man.

The text personified and give ability to know to things that are not persons.

Jesus knows holy spirit knows the mind of God, the same way he knows human spirit knows the mind of a man and neither are persons.

Said the deluded confused one!

Why equating them then

Holy Spirit is a person
Spirit of man is a person

No wonder you people have to bring in the lies of PERSONIFICATION.

English is your problem , you are forgetting the word " ONLY " which is exposing your lies . To illustrate

A news report said " ONLY Buhari knows who will be the next COAS "

If anyone else indicate someone else knows, that make the report a lie. Unless you mean whoever is included is the same as Buhari.

Is holy spirit the same person as the Father ?

If a new report said ONLY buhari knows who will be the next COAS, what If the reporter also knows that THERE'S A PERSON who NO THE VERY MIND OF BUHARI, do you think it's necessary to mention that person?

My fact, which you've confirmed is that The verse never TALKED ABOUT person but just your lying mouth.

thorpido:
You're damn right.They seem to have perfected the manipulations of scriptures.

It's called grand delusional.

They can only manipulate the mind of their followers not the scripture.

Observe this quote and compare it with what they are trying to say on this thread and even the purpose of this thread.

"The Watchtower is not the instrument of any man or set of men, nor is it published according to the whims of men. No man's opinion is expressed in The Watchtower. God feeds his own people, and surely God uses those who love and serve him according to his own will. Those who oppose The Watchtower are not capable of discerning the truth that God is giving to the children of his organization, and this is the very strongest proof that such opposers are not of God's organization." Watchtower 1931 Nov 1 p.327

If NO MAN OPINION is expressed in watchtower Publications then from where did those failed predictions appear?

The irony of it and most ridiculous is that years later, see what another publication claimed.

"The brothers preparing these publications are not infallible. Their writings are not inspired as are those of Paul and the other Bible writers." Awake! 1993 Mar 22 p.4

Just imagine the nonsense some people are trying to defend.

Barristter07:
Spirit of man is not a person, yet it was said to know . Personified ?

Spirit of man is a person!

I can see how that is tormenting you.

Spirit return to God , yet Jesus died and didn't return to God the day he died. So clear

So what did God do with the spirits that return to Him? Wicked people's spirit are among them too.

Jesus didn't preach to any dead spirit. You are a liar

Rather you're a liar because scripture says so.

Who should I believe, you or The Scripture?

Barristter07:
The very same way he knows the spirit of man knows the mind of a man. Personification, that's why he Is not a liar

You can see how deluded you are! Was Jesus said the spirit of man knows THE VERY MIND OF God?

If Jesus has said Spirit of man knows the very mind of God and later said NO HUMAN knows the day, then it means Jesus contradicts Himself.

Father is a person and Holy spirit is a different person too according to Trinity.

Yes! And Jesus was not talking about PERSON.

My question again, did Jesus know that Holy Spirit knows the VERY MIND OF GOD?

Jesus knowing Holy spirit is a person would make him a liar to say " ONLY the Father knows.

Capital NO! Rather proves that Jesus didn't need to repeat Himself on what He knows the Holy Spirit has capable of doing.

Barristter07:
Personification is when a thing is given human attributes . That's what happened here

Another intellectual dishonesty.

On what basis did Jesus give Holy Spirit personification?

Spirit of God knows the same way spirit of man which is a thing as well. Knows.

Only A BEING WITH CONSCIOUSNESS HAS ability to KNOW.

I thought you lied Jesus preached to spirit of men that are dead. you don jump yeye

Lied! Where

Yes Yes Jesus went and preached to the dead

Barristter07:
Jesus said " ONLY the Father "

Emphasis on " ONLY " . That disqualified any other person from knowing.

Your claim would falsify the ONLY in Jesus statement. Or else you admit. There is only one person that knows, but holy spirit itself is not a person.

Did Jesus know that Holy Spirit Knows the very MIND OF GOD?

Barristter07:
Replied. Check my former post. This is a very flawed point.

Check mine too

This is a Lie.

Eccl 12:7 spirit of man, an " it"
Backed by lUke 23:46.

Yet this it can be said to know. Solved

Answer my questions idiot.

John 16:13 However, when that one arrives, the spirit of the truth, he will guide YOU into all the truth, for he will not speak of his own impulse, but what things he hears he will speak, and he will declare to YOU the things coming." NWT

Can you tell us how the color part fits into inanimate thing, Mr educated illiterate?

If your son/daughter comes back from school and give a narration in this same manner, would you have assumed s/he was talking about inanimate thing or a person?

Barristter07:
The same way Jesus didn't mention my name and yours but we are there . Jesus pack every other person's not mentioned into the " NOBODY "

If holy spirit is a person , it will be among this Nobody. If not, it was never a person in the first place . All persons in the universe either know or didn't know.

Choose !

The truth is out!

But Jesus knows that HOLY SPIRIT KNOWS THE VERY MIND OF GOD, why must Him be mentioned again?

Can you tell us when INANIMATE OBJECT start to have power of KNOWING?

I understand personification.

Imagine, the idiot but was using "IT" not as personification.

Truth is hitting you harder.