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Barristter07:
I have . Can someone else knows the Father's mind like Jesus ?

Didn't the scripture say "the Spirit SEARCHETH ALL THINGS OF GOD" and also "knows the very mind of God."?

Inanimate thing knows your god mind

Barristter07:
1pet 3:18-20

For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit, in which he went and proclaimed to the spirits in prison, because they formerly did not obey, when God’s patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through water. (1 Pet. 3:18–20)

So this is human spirit? You this liar . People who died in the flood are not in prison or any hell. They are in the sea ( Rev 20:13 )

To even think that the deluded will first agreed that SPIRIT CAN BE IN A PRISON.

So Rev 20:13 was only FOR NOAH'S PEOPLE.

Jesus went and preached to the dead, you can hit your dull skull on the wall.

Barristter07:
It's a lie. Silence would not say " ONLY "

Did Jesus know that Holy Spirit knows the VERY MIND OF GOD. this is the question you haven't answered since.

So the reporter in that Analogy gave Buhari the name of the next COAS ?



Please answer .

Jesus has heavenly BEING knows EVERYTHING ABOUT THE HOLY SPIRIT, so no need of mentioning him. Get the same analogy into your empty skull.

Only the Father = a person .

Is holy spirit same person as the Father ?

If not, anything else is a Lie

Your equation to PERSON is still ridiculous no matter how you bring it and it will remain your permanent opinion.

livingchrist:
Angel's are Rauch, you can rest

That is the delusion we're talking about.

The next thing you'll hear from him might be that, it's a personification.

Barristter07:
That's a FALSE REPORT.

He won't have said nobody knows except ONLy Buhari.

It did " Nobody " which include you and I are persons . Angels, son, Father are persons too. In fact everyone in the universe is in that verse

The question remains how many of this person's know ?

Not a false report but the REPORTER decided to silent on what He/She already knows.

Imagine, the same deluded person has made a statement like this on this forum....

"Emphasis on " New Name Written" , The one who write the name is not included, cos when he was writing it, he knows it. Basic sense... the GIVER OF THE NAME is not included"

The verse says ONLY THE FATHER KNOWS.

Tthe question is, did HOLY SPIRIT knows the VERY MIND OF GOD?

Barristter07:
Quote that scripture that said Jesus preach to dead spirits . oniro buruku

1 Peter 3:19

Ephesians 4:9

Barristter07:
You are just one confuse fellow. Am quoting the same text where you got holy spirit knows the mind of God from, that same text said spirit of man also knows the mind of Man.

The text personified and give ability to know to things that are not persons.

Jesus knows holy spirit knows the mind of God, the same way he knows human spirit knows the mind of a man and neither are persons.

Said the deluded confused one!

Why equating them then

Holy Spirit is a person
Spirit of man is a person

No wonder you people have to bring in the lies of PERSONIFICATION.

English is your problem , you are forgetting the word " ONLY " which is exposing your lies . To illustrate

A news report said " ONLY Buhari knows who will be the next COAS "

If anyone else indicate someone else knows, that make the report a lie. Unless you mean whoever is included is the same as Buhari.

Is holy spirit the same person as the Father ?

If a new report said ONLY buhari knows who will be the next COAS, what If the reporter also knows that THERE'S A PERSON who NO THE VERY MIND OF BUHARI, do you think it's necessary to mention that person?

My fact, which you've confirmed is that The verse never TALKED ABOUT person but just your lying mouth.

thorpido:
You're damn right.They seem to have perfected the manipulations of scriptures.

It's called grand delusional.

They can only manipulate the mind of their followers not the scripture.

Observe this quote and compare it with what they are trying to say on this thread and even the purpose of this thread.

"The Watchtower is not the instrument of any man or set of men, nor is it published according to the whims of men. No man's opinion is expressed in The Watchtower. God feeds his own people, and surely God uses those who love and serve him according to his own will. Those who oppose The Watchtower are not capable of discerning the truth that God is giving to the children of his organization, and this is the very strongest proof that such opposers are not of God's organization." Watchtower 1931 Nov 1 p.327

If NO MAN OPINION is expressed in watchtower Publications then from where did those failed predictions appear?

The irony of it and most ridiculous is that years later, see what another publication claimed.

"The brothers preparing these publications are not infallible. Their writings are not inspired as are those of Paul and the other Bible writers." Awake! 1993 Mar 22 p.4

Just imagine the nonsense some people are trying to defend.

Barristter07:
Spirit of man is not a person, yet it was said to know . Personified ?

Spirit of man is a person!

I can see how that is tormenting you.

Spirit return to God , yet Jesus died and didn't return to God the day he died. So clear

So what did God do with the spirits that return to Him? Wicked people's spirit are among them too.

Jesus didn't preach to any dead spirit. You are a liar

Rather you're a liar because scripture says so.

Who should I believe, you or The Scripture?

Barristter07:
The very same way he knows the spirit of man knows the mind of a man. Personification, that's why he Is not a liar

You can see how deluded you are! Was Jesus said the spirit of man knows THE VERY MIND OF God?

If Jesus has said Spirit of man knows the very mind of God and later said NO HUMAN knows the day, then it means Jesus contradicts Himself.

Father is a person and Holy spirit is a different person too according to Trinity.

Yes! And Jesus was not talking about PERSON.

My question again, did Jesus know that Holy Spirit knows the VERY MIND OF GOD?

Jesus knowing Holy spirit is a person would make him a liar to say " ONLY the Father knows.

Capital NO! Rather proves that Jesus didn't need to repeat Himself on what He knows the Holy Spirit has capable of doing.

Barristter07:
Personification is when a thing is given human attributes . That's what happened here

Another intellectual dishonesty.

On what basis did Jesus give Holy Spirit personification?

Spirit of God knows the same way spirit of man which is a thing as well. Knows.

Only A BEING WITH CONSCIOUSNESS HAS ability to KNOW.

I thought you lied Jesus preached to spirit of men that are dead. you don jump yeye

Lied! Where

Yes Yes Jesus went and preached to the dead

Barristter07:
Jesus said " ONLY the Father "

Emphasis on " ONLY " . That disqualified any other person from knowing.

Your claim would falsify the ONLY in Jesus statement. Or else you admit. There is only one person that knows, but holy spirit itself is not a person.

Did Jesus know that Holy Spirit Knows the very MIND OF GOD?

Barristter07:
Replied. Check my former post. This is a very flawed point.

Check mine too

This is a Lie.

Eccl 12:7 spirit of man, an " it"
Backed by lUke 23:46.

Yet this it can be said to know. Solved

Answer my questions idiot.

John 16:13 However, when that one arrives, the spirit of the truth, he will guide YOU into all the truth, for he will not speak of his own impulse, but what things he hears he will speak, and he will declare to YOU the things coming." NWT

Can you tell us how the color part fits into inanimate thing, Mr educated illiterate?

If your son/daughter comes back from school and give a narration in this same manner, would you have assumed s/he was talking about inanimate thing or a person?

Barristter07:
The same way Jesus didn't mention my name and yours but we are there . Jesus pack every other person's not mentioned into the " NOBODY "

If holy spirit is a person , it will be among this Nobody. If not, it was never a person in the first place . All persons in the universe either know or didn't know.

Choose !

The truth is out!

But Jesus knows that HOLY SPIRIT KNOWS THE VERY MIND OF GOD, why must Him be mentioned again?

Can you tell us when INANIMATE OBJECT start to have power of KNOWING?

I understand personification.

Imagine, the idiot but was using "IT" not as personification.

Truth is hitting you harder.

Barristter07:
Replied in my earlier post. English is your problem. A person know, and many persons don't know. How many person's know?

The qualifier is " KNOW " .

Someone said to a group:

How many person's know The capital of Nigeria is Abuja ? That statement didn't say those who don't know are not persons. But it aim to know what's the figure of those who know. Pathetic

From my previous reply.

Jesus never mentioned Holy Spirit in that verse stop interjecting your own wrong opinion into it.

Eccl 12:7 said human spirit is " IT " . A thing, it was personified. Further prove its a thing was offered, Spirit return to God when a man dies, but Jesus didn't return to God the day he died ... Spirit of man is not a person. That answers how spirit of God could know the things of God.

Spirit of a man is a person!

Jesus went to preach to the dead

ONLY INTELLIGENT AND CONSCIOUS BEING has the ability to KNOW educated illiterate.

You can provide from any source where INANIMATE THING start having ability to KNOW!

Barristter07:
English is now a problem ?

The bolded are all persons that doesn't know. It doesn't change the Fact that they are persons , But they don't know

Now the question says : How many persons know ? One person, the Father . Simple

Anyone who claims Holyspirit is a person is saying TWO PERSONS KNOW. Which would make Jesus a liar.

This is the basis of the scam called trinity

The fact is that, Jesus never mentioned HOLY SPIRIT in that verse, which negates your lying of forcing wrong meaning into that verse.

After I pointed out your delusion of PERSON know which is just your useless interjection.

John 16:13 However, when that one arrives, the spirit of the truth, he will guide YOU into all the truth, for he will not speak of his own impulse, but what things he hears he will speak, and he will declare to YOU the things coming." NWT

Can you tell us how the color part fits into inanimate thing, Mr educated illiterate?

If your son/daughter comes back from school and give a narration in this same manner, would you have assumed s/he was talking about inanimate thing or a person?

MaxInDHouse:
Emusan you'll get no further answer from me until you apologize for lying against me or show evidence of your accusation!

I understand your frustration!

I was away from Nairaland for more than three weeks, only for me to login and see mentions on my profile. Guess what, among the mentions you are tagging my moniker to provide answers to a topic you raised, you never demand for evidence nor ask me to apologize for anything.

Can you see the hypocrisy I do talk about?

Now, you can't provide simple answers to my questions but instead for you to allow the next person to do, you start attacking strawman. Anyways, I know you style and it won't stop me from keep exposing your lies and that of your organizatio.

Lastly, I still keep to my word and I want you to sue me for it. You once promoted a ponze scheme on this forum with your deleted moniker @maximus69

Barristter07:
Alaye don get Emotional

Like you do

The text is all about which person knows.
The bold makes how many person knowing ?

The text wasnt about HOW MANY PERSON KNOW thats still your own interjection
Jesus did not know Angels did not know
Does that make them not a PERSON?

An "it" , not person. ' ... Spirit return to God who gave IT ' Eccl 12:7
Sorry ehn

But Him is a person
pele

Barristter07:
Proving it's not a person. Cos only one person knows the day and hour.

So pathetic you can be so deluded.

Do you even reason to what you post at all?

If because ONLY THE FATHER knows (as what the scripture says) makes Holy spirit not a person, then OTHERS WHO DONT KNOW like the son, the angels are also not a pereon.

The same way the human spirit , which is a thing. Knows the mind of humans.

See what educated illitrate is saying.

How can unconscious THING has the capacity to KNOW?

Which school did you get that from?

The question again: do you accept the above or you insisted Jesus lied only a person knows ?

As everyone can see, you're the very one who is lying here because Jesus never said ONLY A PERSON. If ONLY A PERSON know it means others who don't know are not PERSON.

Barristter07:
Proving holy spirit is not a person,. It's not two persons that know. Doesn't a man's spirit also knows a man's mind, is it not a thing ?

Holy spirit is a person, that verse never talks about PERSON but what ONLY THE FATHER KNOWS, you're just attacking a straw man

Man's spirit is a person!

MaxInDHouse:
The supernatural GIFTS is what the OP meant not natural human capabilities that's found in men which our God saw before calling them to come and use in his congregation!

That's nice!

So all the claim of being guided by Holy Spirit, Jehovah himself, Jesus Christ are just NATURAL HUMAN CAPABILITY of the leaders of JWs.

That's why you can't address my questions.

What is the difference between SUPERNATURAL GIFT and being QUIDED BY HOLY SPIRIT, JEHOVAH, OR JESUS CHRIST?

There are supernatural GIFTS that God gave people in the past, after the purpose has been accomplished such GIFTS will cease {1Corinthians 13:8-10}

If not because you're a clown, I was force to use that caustic word.

You're the very one who claimed "But in our midst they don't add their spiritual responsibility..."

This supernatural responsibilities is when you admitted that there're still PROPHET TODAY as Jesus said.

Now only to spew another thrash

this differs from natural human capabilities that's inborn.

So being a PROPHET is human human capabilities that's inborn, seriously you need to check the nut that loosen up there.

So get it straight Sir!

Nothing to get here, it's obvious your brother made a very nasty mistake for creating this thread which you people are fighting tooth and nail to defend.

MaxInDHouse:
So you only LIED!
Well i'll convey your message to Preciousgirl she needs to bear this!

Looking for who to join with their lies

You've repeated that many times, so bringing it here won't stop me from addressing the topic.

If not for guilty conscience, you won't be using that as a tactics to derail a thread.

MaxInDHouse:
Of course!
But in our midst they don't add their spiritual responsibility to their names in the public {Matthew 23:8} so only within that we know the GIFT in each of them!

Can you see people with the same line of thought

So what is the essence of this thread if you agree that there's actually PROPHET among Jehovah's witnesses? When lies can't be defend anymore

MaxInDHouse:
The last time you LIED against me and promised to bring the evidence but i can sense that's why you've been running away from my posts now ever since then because you're ashamed of yourself!

Running away from your post what a comic part!

I still maintain my word, you once promoted a pyramid scheme on this platform with your deleted moniker(and I'm very sure it's one of the reasons you deleted that moniker)... You can hang yourself if you like!

When you're done, answer my questions, if not park well for a another person to take the challenge.

Janosky:
Advocate is a masculine Greek pronoun.
Hence, holy Spirit is spoken of as Advocate

So you know a masculine Greek was used for the Holy Spirit yet you always claim NEUTER for Him

Hence, which make Holy Spirit a PERSON

You haven't completed my post, I challenged you to tell us ONE INANIMATE THING that said to be an advocate. In fact, that Jesus is also an advocate means Holy Spirit and Jesus are person.

[s]Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit, left the Jordan and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,
Compare Luke 4:14.

Your deity is led by another person,So your deity is no longer God Almighty?
"Jesus full of holy spirit, So how many persons is Jesus your deity?
[/s]

Usual ranting has started.
I'm here for that.

Holy spirit is always sent forth for a given purpose, has no will of it's own.

The fact that you can spew the @color part shows how dishonesty and hypocrisy you are.

Here is it confirmed even in your demonic translation

But all these operations are performed by the very same spirit, distributing to each one respectively just as it wills. 1 Corin 12:11

Is the finger of God a person?
Is the eyes/ears of God a person?

Tell us where the finger or eyes or ears of God said to have MIND, can be grieved, has WILL, advocate, speak e.t.c

Typical JWs! I'm not surprised at all.

haddeylium:
Remember I said I'm not here to debate your personal opinion and view. You're entitled to it.

Of course I know, but you should have open that your opinion in your hall because here we tell it to your face all your lies.

If you want to know Jehovah's witnesses view on this. You should ask questions in a civilised way. Else, I'll pass

You can show the part that is not civilized in my questions.

I'm still waiting for the answers to my questions anyway.

Barristter07:
So Jesus lie when he said only the Father knows ?

So the scripture lied when it said Holy spirit knows the mind of God.

In fact, how can inanimate thing KNOW THE VERY MIND OF YOUR GOD?

Barristter07:
Thank you.
So how many persons know the Day?

Only the Father knows!

Does Holy Spirit knows the mind of God?

Barristter07:
Holy spirit is not a person.

Holy spirit is a person as established in the Scriptur.

Matt 24:36- Does the holy spirit know the day and hour ?

Yes! because He knows the very MIND OF THE FATHER.

Janosky:
Luke 7:35, Wisdom has children, is it a person.
Romans 8:16,26 KJV "spirit itself"
Which verses in your Bible calls God "THEY"?
Does microphone bear witness you are talking?

And that's only personification of wisdom.

But why Holy spirit is different is that
1. Holy spirit has MIND (I challenge you to tell us non living things that said to have mind in the scripture)
2. Holy spirit has will which even the same with the Father and Jesus Christ
3. Holy spirit is an ADVOCATE just as Jesus is also an advocate (show us where non living things said to be an advocate in the scripture)
4. Holy spirit hears and can speak

Just to mention but few of the attributes of person identify in the scripture about Holy spirit

BeLookingIDIOT:
1 John 5:7 according to biblical scholars is a fabrication that was added later on in the bible. Newer biblical translations have removed it.

Tell us just (5) names of Biblical scholars who say that verse is a fabrication and i'll list more than 10 Biblical scholars who accepted that verse as authentic as other verses in the scripture.

The lies against that verse has been exposed long time, evidence abound that the verse is well known by early christians like Cyprian as early as 200 DC which is just few years after the death of Apostle John.

And the trinity is not "three persons in one God"–this is heresy according to the church. Rather it is three Gods(not gods) in one God...Gibberish right

Provide your source on this

Most Christians don't actually know what the Trinity is and believe in one heretical version of it or another.

Rather say, most of you don't know what Trinity apart from the lies you people have been fed.

This thread really shows that JWs and lies are 5 & 6, and it's only a body whose founder has relationship with the Father of lies himself can give birth to people defending lies like this.

You claimed Jehovah witness never called themselves PROPHET when primary pupils know what Prophet means yet you claim Guidance from Jehovah, Holy Spirit, Invisible Jesus.

And all these lies just to defend the previous lies. Which is true that it takes more lies to cover up lies.

My questions are these to all JWs here:
1. Was there a time in the history of JWs that Holy Spirit, Jehovah or Jesus never worked with the leaders? If Yes! State the period or year. If No! Go to the next question.

2. From inception of JWs since the time of Russell, which doctrine(s) did Holy Spirit, Jehovah, Jesus Christ help the JWs leader to formulate?

3. What does it mean to be guided by the Holy Spirit in deeper truth of the scripture?

4. Which among the leaders of JWs wasn't guided by Holy Spirit, Jehovah, or Jesus in his time?

5. According to Wikipedia "In religion, a prophet is an individual who is regarded as being in contact with a divine being and is said to speak on behalf of that being, serving as an intermediary with humanity by delivering messages or teachings from the supernatural source to other people.[1][2] The message that the prophet conveys is called a prophecy."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophet

Are you saying JWs has never claimed anything of this nature before especially the underlined?

6. Lastly, do you agree you lied or you lack the understanding of the thread you opened?