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FOLYKAZE:
I think I am the only one who do not understand the OP. Can you please rephrase in simple terms what he is trying to pass across

What the OP is trying to say is that.

Seun the owner of Nairaland created a Thread under Islam for Muslims section, without TAKING THE OATH as an Atheist.

Which means as A CREATOR he isn't bound by the rules of Nairaland.

God also as the CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE can't be bound by the laws that governed the universe.

Do you understand?

XXXXTENTACION:
Evil in a general sense refers to things that are immoral and pofoundly wicked.

So who decides what is immoral and profound wicked?

MaxInDHouse:
Your problem is that you think all followers must comment but many are following and assimilating, unlike you whose intention is to argue they are learning SECRETLY!

However only antagonists like you are coming to argue which makes you one among my numerous followers on the thread!

And the reply has started but the Ponzi scheme promoter said he won't

MaxInDHouse:
You're welcome for the study but i won't give you any answer regarding what i'm sharing with my followers until you PRESENT the EVIDENCE of the allegation you levelled against me!

Lol....he even claimed to have followers

MaxInDHouse:
Until you present the proof of the allegation i have nothing to discuss with you Sir!

Of course, I know!

But it doesn't change the fact that you're a Ponzi scheme promoter

Where did I say you should discuss with me? I'm only doing Bible study for you.

You keep jumping over my questions but just attacking a straw man argument.

haekymbahd:
Isaiah 61 1 THE SPIRIT of the Lord God is upon me, because the Lord has anointed and qualified me to preach the Gospel of good tidings to the meek, the poor, and afflicted; He has sent me to bind up and heal the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the [physical and spiritual] captives and the opening of the prison and of the eyes to those who are bound,

2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord [the year of His favor] and the day of vengeance of our God, to comfort all who mourn,

Gospel is the message revealed (given) to Jesus not Paul or John of Patmos by Allah (God) to preach to the (poor) well he said he was sent to lost sheep of Israel to guide them inorder to make it to the kingdom of God.

What does this have to do with the question I asked?

Can you explain what Jesus meant by lost sheep of isreal?

because ISREAL was the one God was first dealing with, so Jesus was sent their to fulfill the prophecies in their book and one of the prophecy is that the Gentile will receive salvation through the Messiah.

No one has any right to add or subtract from gospel preached by Jesus meaning the new testament of today can't be considered Gospel because it is mixed with both words of Jesus and others.

Who add or subtract to Gospel?

So where can we find the GOSPEL Jesus preach?

To me a gospel book is a book which must contain only the sayings of Jesus no one has right to add or subtract e.g John 1 vs 1.
Gospels according to Mathew, John, Luke Mark and non canonicals cannot be regarded as Gospel because it is more like biography of Jesus hence we Muslims say Gospel message of Jesus himself is lost because there was no record.

So where do you find the WORDS OF JESUS you know it was sent by Allah today?

Why should we trust the canonical Gospels and disregard the non canonicals or can they all be trusted or non can be trusted is another issue .

because even you quoted from the same canonical Gospels.

So where did you see original Gospel of Jesus Christ?

You said Torah means law are you insinuating that Gospel has no Law (commandment)

See the reason I said you don't even understand what you're saying yourself.

Gospel MEANS Good news
Torah MEANS LAW

Is this a rocket science to you.

Was Torah contained ONLY LAWS before it was called LAW?

If Gospel has a Law can you tell me what it is?

Gospel means GOOD NEWS

[s]Allah SWT said:

"This [Qur'an] is notification for the people that they may be warned thereby and that they may know that He is but one God and that those of understanding will be reminded."
(QS. Ibrahim 14: Verse 52)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com

Let's start like this you said Gospel mean good news.

Isaiah 61

1 THE SPIRIT of the Lord God is upon me, because the Lord has anointed and qualified me to preach the Gospel of good tidings to the meek, the poor, and afflicted; He has sent me to bind up and heal the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the [physical and spiritual] captives and the opening of the prison and of the eyes to those who are bound,

2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord [the year of His favor] and the day of vengeance of our God, to comfort all who mourn,[/s]

Irrelevant here!

[s]Who is the LORD GOD is he also Jesus?

Who anointed Jesus to preach the Gospel did he annoint himself?

Who is the God of Jesus who is your God?[/s]

Still irrelevant to the subject matter.

Jesus said he was sent to preach Gospel to poor meaning Gospel was revealed to him by God is that contradictory to the Quran.

WHAT IS THE GOOD NEWS Jesus preached to the POOR?

I'M ONLY ASKING YOU THE GOOD NEWS from you.

Bible explains the GOOD NEWS, does Quran do?

Allah never said Gospel was a written book, Gospel was the message given to Jesus what I am telling you is christians are not preaching the message of Jesus because they have innovated.

The @underlined is what I'm after which you're still dancing around with since.

If GOSPEL(which means GOOD NEWS is a message) what is this MESSAGE ALL ABOUT Or you don't know the meaning of GOOD NEWS?

There is only one God the LORD GOD if you beleive message of Jesus has not changed where did Jesus ordered humans to call him the Almighty God when he knew there was a being called LORD GOD according to you trinitarians Jesus is co equal to the LORD GOD do you know what that means at all?

I didn't ask you this, if you want lesson on Jesus divinity not this discussion because what I'm discussing with you isn't Jesus deity.

Mathew 11

4 And Jesus replied to them, Go and report to John what you hear and see:

5 The blind receive their sight and the lame walk, lepers are cleansed (by healing) and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up and the poor have good news (the Gospel) preached to them

Now compare this to Mathew 11:4 Isaiah 61:1
Jesus said the poor had receive gospel and he has not died nor resurrected yet.

Now I ask you what is the message Jesus preached to the poor while on earth and what is the message after him?

It's so funny how you deny canonical gospel in one breath and in other breath cling to the same canonical gospel.

Does gospel means Jesus' death and resurrection?

Jesus message is that, he came to give His life as ransom for human, this can be found ALL the 4 gospels.

Was Jesus preaching to the poor and saying if you don't beleive "I am Almighty God" you will not enter the kingdom of God?

Nobody ask you this!

Or he said

Mathew 1
14 Now after John was arrested and put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the good news (the Gospel) of the kingdom of God,

15 And saying, The [appointed period of] time is fulfilled (completed), and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent ([k]have a change of mind which issues in regret for past sins and in change of conduct for the better) and believe (trust in, rely on, and adhere to) the good news (the Gospel)

The verse you are keep quoting, actually separated the GOOD NEWS from other issue.

"and believe the GOOD NEWS" again, what is this GOOD NEWS?

I ask you why did Jesus started his preaching at age 30 and not 1-29 if the Gospel was not revealed to him at an appointed time and what is your definition of message of the Gospel.

So one must be 30 before something be revealed to the person? This is another dimension.

You're now asking me the same question I've been asking, does it make sense?

The Good News according to Bible are:
1. The Blood shield by Jesus which means people don't need to sacrifice animals for sin attonement.
2. People can enter the Holiest of Holy tabanacle without Priest as they do in old testament.

Allah SWT said:

"Then We sent following their footsteps Our messengers and followed [them] with Jesus, the son of Mary, and gave him the Gospel. And We placed in the hearts of those who followed him compassion and mercy and monasticism, which they innovated; We did not prescribe it for them except [that they did so] seeking the approval of Allah. But they did not observe it with due observance. So We gave the ones who believed among them their reward, but many of them are defiantly disobedient."
(QS. Al-Hadid 57: Verse 27)

"O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, Three; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs."
(QS. An-Nisaa 4: Verse 171)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com



The bone of contention is in the message of the Gospel Jesus never claimed to be Almighty God as John of Patmos said (if he truly said that you can debate that with your fellow Unitarian christians) rather it was innovation it wasn't prescribed by God.

Nobody asked you this, I'm just here for the Gospel Allah gave Isa.

That's all.

MaxInDHouse:
Have you come with the EVIDENCES of the false allegations?

That you're a Ponzi scheme promoter, that is certain.

kingxsamz:
Lol, if you want to compare your god to Seun (a mere human being) , then you must apply all characteristics of Seun in your so called logic. Abi no be so?

Still didn't get the point,do you?

Even you don't know Nairaland can be @ttacked/h@cked. If Nairaland is @ttacked, there won't be any Seun on Nairaland anymore. Also, you people claim that your god is outside time and space, but Seun is actually on Nairaland, not outside of it. Can we apply that same logic to your god or you want to pick and choose? Your logic na still own goal anyways.

But Seun is a MEMBER?
The same God who heaven is His throne and EARTH His footstool....

It's evident you don't understand the OP

XXXXTENTACION:
Not really God and seun are not exactly thesame thing and do not operate thesame way....
just imagine a God who commits evil

Then who says they are THE SAME THING and operate the same way?

So to you what is EVIL?

MaxInDHouse:
After Michael has completed his earthly course he returned to heaven but this time around he has secured a higher position which he earned not just by virtue of his birth as the first creature but for successfully restoring the lives of all Adam's descendants back to the way God planned from the beginning.

The Bible conductor is at it again.

Michael SECURED A HIGHER POSITION

And this is the same person:

1. Who Jehovah USED TO CREATE ALL THINGS IN HEAVEN and on earth both authority & power, seen & unseen.
2. Who existed with the same Jehovah from ETERNITY
3. Who ALL THINGS WERE created for
4. Who controls THE WHOLE UNIVERSE by the word of His power.

Please which position is higher than this?

If Michael actually SECURED A HIGH POSITION than the one he had then it means Michael will be greater than Jehovah.

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But the only explanation of being given a name that is above ALL NAME, given authority both in heaven and on earth, and be the FIRSTBORN OF ALL CREATION is that, he was not part of CREATION but when he actually became part of creation HE MUST STILL BE FIRST IN ALL THINGS including FIRSTBORN from the Dead.... Col 1:18

CSB: He is also the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that he might come to have first place in everything.
CEB: He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the one who is firstborn from among the dead so that he might occupy the first place in everything.
CJB: Also he is head of the Body, the Messianic Community — he is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that he might hold first place in everything.
LEB: and he himself is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that he himself may become first in everything,

I know your mind can't grab that point but just meditate on that verse and keep asking yourself, why MUST CHRIST BECOME FIRST IN ALL THINGS if he was the same person who CREATED ALL THINGS?

Janosky:
Wetin concern JWs with your fictitious rapture?
Wetin concern the signs of Jesus presence @ Matthew 24:3-27,37 ( "ruling in the midst of his enemies" with your claim @ 1 Thess 4:17?

Of course, nothing concerns them which is the reason they always STOP THE READING IN VERSE 16

As the question still stands, how many of JWs alive in 1914 met with the Lord in the cloud together with the DEAD IN CHRIST?

kingxsamz:
Then you have to admit that your god makes errors and is imperfect, just like Seun too.
This one na own goal.

And you people will be claiming to have the highest IQ than other people yet simple article is hard to comprehend.

Read the OP again this time slowly.

XXXXTENTACION:
Ok simple seun is the owner of nairaland and as such he might have created backdoors for himself. Is that okay...

Can you see that you just burst into this thread without first understanding it?

Sein didn't create a BACKDOOR for himself but rather as stated in the OP

"Seun doesn't need to restrict himself because as a creator, he needs to swing into action immediately to provide HELP(solution) if any problem arises over his creator(Nairaland) but if Seun restricted himself or to be governed by the same rules on Nairaland, there will be big trouble."

Simply say, God as a creator of the Universe can't be bound by the same laws that governed the universe.

Do you get it now?

XXXXTENTACION:
How did you know seun did not take the oath
for your information the oath only lasts for a few hours and after that it dissappears from your profile....

It's evident that you don't know what you're saying and I don't know the reason you're doing this.

Anyone who took that oath always have it in their profile and I believe this last more that 12hours.

As can be seen from this Muslim HERE whose last SEEN was 3:11pm today and the oath was still appeared in his post

Not only that here is another Muslim HERE whose LAST SEEN was 6:10am in the morning and the oath still in his profile.

But Seun stil made a comment on the same thread @2:31pm today....why didn't the oath appear in his profile

Anyways, we've seen you let other say something.

XXXXTENTACION:
Seun is a also bound by the rules of nairaland. Infact he should be the one to show good example....
if those who are meant to keep the law are the ones breaking the law what kind of image do you think that projects

So that means you didn't read the OP

If Seun is bound by the rules of Nairaland, why was he be able to CREATE A TOPIC as an Atheist in Islam for Muslims section without taking the oath?

XXXXTENTACION:
Your argument is faulty....
1) by comparing seun to God you there by undermine God..
2) seun and God don't have thesame qualities so it's illogical to compare them both..
3) seun is a human being and is bound to make errors but then can you say thesame for God

No it's not

The question is does Seun need to be bound by Nairaland rules?

I came across a thread created by the owner of Nairaland Seun Osewa! Here is the link.

Actually, when I first saw that thread, I was like Seun is an hypocrite and I'll call him out by creating a thread with that caption because he made rules yet didn't bind by His own rules.

After a thought, something came to my mind because I remember vividly couple of years ago while I still discuss with Atheists on this forum the like of Oman, Logicboy, FOLYCAZEY e.t.c I know how they always saying God violated His own rules and such a god isn't worthy to worship or something like that even as some new atheists still made this claim today as you can see from this person HERE.

Now, what am I talking about?

There was a time no separation on religion section, that is nothing like Islam for Muslim section but a time came, Islam for Muslim section was created for Muslims to share their faith. At this time, whether you're a Christian, Buddhist, Atheist, Tradition Worshipper, you can create thread and make comment on that section but a time came where restriction was put in place, if you don't take an oath you can't create thread nor make comment on Islam for Muslims section.

Seun claimed to be an Atheist, I was expecting him to take oath before creating thread/commenting on Islam for Muslims section (even someone noticed this on the same thread HERE) but the reverse was the case, then I remember that Seun is THE CREATOR/OWNER/FOUNDER OF Nairaland

Then I begin to wonder, why a creator will violate his own RULE?

But something came to my mind, which is the creator didn't violate his own rule but the POWER HE HAS UNDER HIS CONTROL makes it look so.

Seun doesn't need to restrict himself because as a creator, he needs to swing into action immediately to provide HELP(solution) if any problem arises over his creator(Nairaland) but if Seun restricted himself or to be governed by the same rules on Nairaland, there will be big trouble.

That's why:
1. Seun can't ban himself either by any of his moderators or antibot
2. Seun can't restrict himself or take an oath in Islamic section before creating a thread/commenting even though he is an Atheist.
3. Seun can't deactivate his own account as anybody can do which means the day Seun deactivated his account is the day Nairaland ended.

In short, the rules or laws of Nairaland can be bound on Seun.

Now put God in the position of Seun, does it make sense to you as an Atheist?

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budaatum:
I overlooked your "physical group". It means you'd be after people in a specific location or those who can travel to it, which might be limiting.

Thanks for your contribution so far Budaa

Actually, the way I'm seeing it is like this.

I'm not to be in control of everything and I might not even leave my own location.

For instance, there will be a group in Lagos, Abuja and every other states, the people in Abuja might be focusing on a particular project(s). Likewise Lagos and other states.

The reason for this is that, we can have a complete production line.

What I mean is this, let's assume we want to create industrial revolution car production. Lagos group can focus on only CHASSIS production in MASS, Abia focus on seatbelt ONLY. with this they can roll out their products in mass with a MODULAR FACTORY and it will be easy to turn to local materials for alternatives.

Anyways, this is just an opinion

Might I suggest a Telegram group to begin with.

That's also a nice suggestion but I'm thinking if we can have a reasonable number here first then as individuals we can then start making adding more people from other social media

There's bound to be lots of discussion before "by the time we begin", which could be done virtually. You may from there find people grouping according to common physical location.

You're right!

By the time people who have interest show up here, we'll begin to drop our location so that we can meet each other.

By the way, your idea brings the following to mind.

https://archive.jewishagency.org/first-home-homeland/program/16766

https://www.touristisrael.com/what-is-a-kibbutz/6053

I will check them out sha...

haekymbahd:
None of the Gospel books can be considered authentic.

Says you the authenticator!

First thing you should understand is Jesus was the first person to preach the Gospel because it was revealed like Allah said or you might want to tell me why Jesus started preaching the Gospel at age 30 and not age 1-5 if he already knew what the Gospel was then.

One thing is so common among you Muslims and this is due to lack of understanding.

Gospel means GOOD NEWS and Biblie explain WHAT THE GOOD NEWS is all about.

So because Muhammad mistaken Gospel for WRITTEN BOOK you people must continue in the same way.

When Jesus was preaching the Gospel THE GOOD NEWS he didn't carry the new testament we have today on his armpit and approve it to be right so there is no proof of it's authenticity.

You're still confusing Gospel with A WRITTEN BOOK, even Matthew, Mark, Luke, John wrote their books with the caption "THE GOSPEL according to Matthew, Mark, Luke e.t.c"

Today we have 4 canonical Gospels and several non connonical Gospels with criteria were they approved and disapproved.

Today we have 4 Canonical GOSPEL(GOOD NEWS) according to...

Again, what is the GODD NEWS that Allah gave Jesus?

Allah says the Gospel was revealed to Jesus

This is so hilarious, THE GOOD NEWS WAS REVEALED to Jesus.

Good News should be for people who need it not SOMETHING REVEAL.

Again, what is the Good News given to Jesus to give to the people?

Allah was talking about what Jesus preached compared to what christians of today are preaching.

So where did you get ALL THE MESSAGES Jesus preached?

I asked your fellow colleagues where did Jesus whom was the one given the Gospel says I have to believe he is the Almighty God (The creator of heaven and earth) with his own mouth in the canonical gospel If not innovation.

You're going to far because I'm not discussing issue of Jesus' deity with you but simply asking you, the GOSPEL GIVEN TO JESUS BY ALLAH.

The earliest canonical Gospel (Mark) was written around 65 - 75 CE and it did not account for the resurrection of Jesus in the original manuscript of which it was later inserted by scribes after other Gospel books had been written.

The early christians (ebionites, nazarenes) e.t.c rejected Paul and do not beleive Jesus was God. If from the early days several christians didn't believe Jesus was God then it means something must have definitely gone wrong with the Gospel who was misinformed. Why did some early christians not beleive Jesus as God or why did a meeting had to hold at the council of nicea on whether Jesus was God or not if the Gospel teachings of Jesus in his life time was really clear all early christians.

Nobody ask you all these, stop deviating from the subject matter.

Allah SWT said:

"O People of the Scripture, why do you disbelieve in the verses of Allah while you witness [to their truth]?"
(QS. Aal-i-Imraan 3: Verse 70)

"O People of the Scripture, why do you confuse the truth with falsehood and conceal the truth while you know [it]?"
(QS. Aal-i-Imraan 3: Verse 71)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com

Can you tell me why Mark, Mathew and Luke didn't insert John 1 vs 1 in their own book did Jesus exclusively tell John this. Even translation to the original Greek word has disproved this verse.

Another diversion.

Several verses of the bible has been misinterpreted from translating from its Greek to English I just wonder how many misinterpreted changes must have occured from translation from Hebrew (Jesus's) language to Greek in which the Bible written

I don't believe in Paul not all early christians accepted him either. No one has any right to add and subtract from the Gospel of Jesus.

So what is the Gospel of Jesus ALL ABOUT and where do you find it? I'll like to see it too

Allah didn't say the Bible was totally false but truth had been mixed with falsehood. The Quran was sent to Guide mankind to the right path.

So can you show us the parts that are false and the parts that are true?

I gave my reason for disproving it why should I beleive him was he Jesus as far as I am concerned he contradicted on Jesus word. There is only one God the Lord our God.

Where is that Jesus original word, so that we compare it with what we have today?

Mark 12
29 Jesus answered, The first and principal one of all commands is: Hear, O Israel, The Lord our God is one Lord;

32 And the scribe said to Him, Excellently and fitly and admirably answered, Teacher! You have said truly that He is One, and there is no other but Him;

Diversion again.

Deuteronomy 13
1 IF A prophet arises among you, or a dreamer of dreams, and gives you a sign or a wonder,
2 And the sign or the wonder he foretells to you comes to pass, and if he says, Let us go after other [b]gods--gods you have not known--and let us serve them,

3 You shall not listen to the words of that prophet or to that dreamer of dreams. For the Lord your God is testing you to know whether you love the Lord your God with all your [mind and] heart and with your entire being.

4 You shall walk after the Lord your God and [reverently] fear Him, and keep His commandments and obey His voice, and you shall serve Him and cling to Him.

5But that prophet or that dreamer of dreams shall be put to death, because he has talked rebellion and turning away from the Lord your God, Who brought you out of the land of Egypt and redeemed you out of the house of bondage; that man has tried to draw you aside from the way in which the Lord your God commanded you to walk. So shall you put the evil away from your midst.
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Did the Jews know Jesus as their God so if anyone claims to have a dream or vision and orders to worship another which is not the Lord our God it definitely has to be rejected. Jesus didn't say this with his own mouth..

Still in diversion mode.

John 17
3 And this is eternal life: [it means] to know (to perceive, recognize, become acquainted with, and understand) You, the only true and real God, and [likewise] to know Him, Jesus [as the] Christ (the Anointed One, the Messiah), Whom You have sent.

Is either you beleive Jesus or John of Patmos

But you believe the same JOHN HERE, HOW COME?

it still falls under Deuteronomy 13

It didn't!

John received the Revelation while in "ISLE OF PATMON"

What does being in spirit means and in what ways can one be in spirit...

Good Question!

When the Spirit of God took over your MORTAL BODY

I have explained this already scroll up

You didn't! As you still confused GOSPEL (GOOD NEWS) with a book written.

Did Jesus fulfil all his messianic missions and why did Jews reject him what does your own good news mean and why is Jesus comming back?

The Jews rejected him and his coming back were part of Messianic PROPHECIES.

Shey na Torah and Quran be Bad news abi Gospel no get Law?

Torah means LAW
GOSPEL means GOOD NEWS
QURAN is what?

So both Quran and Torah have their meanings.

What is the GOOD NEWS given to Jesus by Allah is the question?

Mathew 5
17 Do not think that I have come to do away with or [ab]undo the Law or the Prophets; I have come not to do away with or undo but to complete and fulfill them.

18 For truly I tell you, until the sky and earth pass away and perish, not one smallest letter nor one little hook [identifying certain Hebrew letters] will pass from the Law until all things [it foreshadows] are accomplished.

19 Whoever then breaks or does away with or relaxes one of the least [important] of these commandments and teaches men so shall be called least [important] in the kingdom of heaven, but he who practices them and teaches others to do so shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Diversion as usual.

20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness (your uprightness and your right standing with God) is more than that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.


Jesus die for your sin or not if your rightousness does not exceed the Pharisees you are doomed. Jesus said that

Jesus used many words as gaining access to Kingdom of God not just BEING RIGHTEOUS ALONE.

haekymbahd:
I am a Muslim I don't believe in book of revelation.

Which of the book in the Holy scripture do you believe as a Muslim?

Who is John who dreamed was he part of the disciples of Jesus while alive?

You don't believe in the book of John reason why you don't read it because if you have read it you'll see that John didn't DREAM but was IN THE SPIRIT on the Lord's Day.

Why should I even believe a dream of a fellow man who is trying to divert me from worshipping The LORD our God?

Where did you read it from that John dreamt?

I guess that's the lie they sold to you in your mosque.

Allah SWT said:

"Then We sent following their footsteps Our messengers and followed [them] with Jesus, the son of Mary, and gave him the Gospel. And We placed in the hearts of those who followed him compassion and mercy and monasticism, which they innovated; We did not prescribe it for them except [that they did so] seeking the approval of Allah. But they did not observe it with due observance. So We gave the ones who believed among them their reward, but many of them are defiantly disobedient."
(QS. Al-Hadid 57: Verse 27)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com

I so much interested in that @color

Gospel means GOOD NEWS

1. Will you please tell me THE GOSPEL (THE GOOD NEWS) giving to Jesus by Allah?

2. What is this GOOD NEWS all about?

Nice contribution budaa

budaatum:
First, this can't be a group on NL as derailers will derail it.

Yes! And that was the reason I said PHYSICAL GROUP which I believe that by the time we begin it'll be at specific location.

Second, I guess you've learnt about the drivers of the industrial revolution, in which case you should educate us here please.[/quote]Quite well! Just that I don't want to flood this thread with long post.

I think I should copy some people here

MaxInDHouse:
Many people do call on their God with specific name but from place to place and in different religion the name people call their God differs.

So our next topic on this thread will focus on the name of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who is the Author of the Bible!

Good morning everyone!

Simple question:

Why did Jesus Christ NEVER use the name Jehovah?

No doubt about the situation in the country right now.

Talking about the downturn of the economy which has lead to high rate of unemployment.

One thing is certain, that as a country we're lagging when it comes to Industrialization, I mean MANUFACTURING.

For instance, UBA listed over 150 manufacturing companies on their website under company account registration of which less than 20 can be found in this country.

I don't want to type much but what I'm saying is that, we have great minds in this country who are capable of causing industrialization revolution.

So, as Nairaland has brought many of us together, I'm proposing a physical group across the 36 states of the country + FCT.

This group will be:

1. a selfless
2. Not money hungry
3. Not tribalistic in nature
4. Not Religious inclined
5. Comprises of different great minds that can create LOCAL industries out of the abundance resources we have around us.

By LOCAL I mean from scratch with ONLY available resources which means we don't need to start looking for how to IMPORT one machine or equipment.

So I'm using this medium to call on my fellow nairalanders who have passion for science and technology to drop their opinion.

Nezero:
I already did. Put your questions in a list. I can direct you to Bible verses that answer them.

You didn't!

You check them on my previous post.

You want to provide Bible verses to where you lied that Watchtower never claimed to be INPSIRED.

The quotes did not say anything like that. Maybe you should look further.

Devil is a liar and father of it ALL.
this is your FIRST POST on the opening page which I replied to.

"They do not claim to be inspired, they simply believe in the Bible and look for answers therein." by Nezero

So how come you're now claiming the post did not say anything like that.

Lies? Like what and what?

That "They do not claim to be inspired, they simply believe in the Bible and look for answers therein." By Nezero

Just borrow a dictionary and flip through. It's simple English. You can do it. Just try.

I've used dictionary in my post above, so do you agreed that DIVINE INSPIRATION is no different from JEHOVAH GUIDANCE, HELP, BIBLICAL INTERPRETATION?

Of course, the Bible is the true word of God. I doubt if you believe in it. But we all have free will, so .. your choice

I believe in the Word of God the Holy Bible.

Now, if Bible is the word of God and watchtower claimed ALL THEIR PUBLICATIONS ARE THE SAME PRODUCTS of the UNERRING SPIRIT who made Bible to be the Word of God. Should there be any PUBLICATIONS consider to be TOO OLD and DISCARDED?

so why are you feigning ignorance? You think that's funny? Shior

Very funny to see a educated person claiming DIVINE INSPIRATION is different from BEING GUIDED BY JEHOVAH, HOLY SPIRIT, JESUS just to cover up lies.

Which eight men?

Don't you know your GB again?

Look in the dictionary, read the Bible, your problem is not a serious one.

I always do and that's why I can differentiate from the lies of your organization from the truth of the Holy scripture.

Do you?

Nezero:
And many more... And many more what? Why don't you put a direct link to your quotes so one can know if you fabricated them or conjured them in your 'critical thinking' mind.

My first post attached the name and year of publications. Now you think I fabricated those post but check my first post on that.

Besides, it's evident those quotes are prove of DIVINE INSPIRATION.

And more and more of watchtower claiming to be INSPIRED.

rottennaija:
He is talking about the editors who claimed where God's channel of communication and who today's editor also claimed where God's channel of communication. I once asked a circuit overseer what's the difference between being God's channel of communication and being inspired. He was just looking at me...

So maybe you can answer. What's the difference between being God's channel of communication and being inspired?

The tactics is they know the truth but they must defend watchtower by all cost.

How can an educated person say DIVINE INSPIRATION is different GUIDANCE?

That's why I asked him, what does it mean to be GUIDED?

The word DIVINE according to marriam-dictionary:
a: of, relating to, or proceeding directly from God (see GOD entry 1 sense 1) or a god (see GOD entry 1 sense 2)

Now compare this with different claim of watchtower below

1. Under the guidance of his holy
2. holy spirit helps responsible representatives of the faithful and discreet slave
3. "Third, holy spirit is at work in bringing Bible truths to light."
4. Jehovah's organization alone, in all the earth, is directed by God's holy spirit
5. "faithful and discreet slave" guided by Jehovah's unerring spirit
6. "The Watchtower is not the instrument of any man or set of men, nor is it published according to the whims of men. No man's opinion is expressed in The Watchtower. God feeds his own people"
7. And many more!

I don't know how someone will read something like this and still claimed they never claimed to be INPSIRED.

dappa71:
Ahh, it seems you’re new to these streets? Emusan doesn’t bloody care what you believe as a Witness, he’s only out there deriving senseless pleasure as long as you keep on arguing fruitlessly with him.
But Emusan will not mention the name of his Church because he knows there’s nothing to write home about it.
I already noticed this calm demeanour in you from the way you comment. Don’t let Emusan and his antics change that. Chop knuckle, my brother.

@Highlighted -- can you also tell us the name of the CHURCH Peter, Paul, Matthew and co attended?

I understand your painment, just chill and stay behind your keyboard and watch. You even have another ACCOUNT

Nezero:
You keep running around in circles.

Just say you can't provide answers to my questions.

I say one thing and you attack another.

No! I started with you on your claim that watchtower didn't claim to be inspired, which I've provided more than three quotes from different years showing they actually CLAIMED TO BE INSPIRED.

Much of what you say makes no sense. Running around with a 1930s publications and expecting me to explain it to you.

It won't make sense because you can see through the glass of lies you're propagating.

Is it my question about what is the difference between DIVINE INSPIRATION and to be GUIDED, DIRECTED, AND HELPED that doesn't make sense?

Why don't you go back to the 1930s to challenge the editor. I would reply you, but I would rather talk to someone who can actually reason.

But you can go back to the 1st century.

I understand you completely

And the good thing is, such people can compare your arguments with my response and figure things out for themselves.

Very well!

But in the mean time, you agreed that those 8 men are GUIDED...

So don't forget to answer my question on that.

Next time you're quoting me, quote properly.

Nezero:
if the premise of an argument is wrong, then the conclusion will definitely be wrong. If the question is unreasonable.. then you can't have the answers you want.

And if the foundation of a belief is wrong no matter what you build on it, it will always be wrong.

The subject is about Dinosaurs. The information from the Bible has not changed.

Definitely, so why do your TEACHINGS do change?

Does it mean the people behind the watchtower publications don't have access to this UNCHANGING information in the Bible before going to printing press?

Scientific discoveries keep getting updated. Understanding new scientific discoveries in the light of the Bible can and should be updated.

But you said earlier that Bible information don't change, which means no matter how many times scientifical discoveries getting updated, the information will ALWAYS BE IN LINE with the Bible.

You just confirmed that Watchtower society are just doing guess work, while hidding under the guidance, help & direction of Holy Spirit, Jehovah, and invisible Jesus.

Nezero: A reasonable person avoids statements like this.. 'clear' contradictions? Let others reason for themselves.

But it's evident that it's a clear contradictions, if not, you won't have distanced yourself from the OLD PUBLICATIONS.

Divine Inspiration? I don't see anything like that in your quotes, I see guidance..

Do you go school at all?

So DIVINE INSPIRATION is different from Jehovah, Holy Spirit and Jesus guidance.

Kindly tell us what it means TO GUIDE...

do you even understand this statement?

"The Watchtower is not the instrument of any man or set of men, nor is it published according to the whims of men. No man's opinion is expressed in The Watchtower. Watchtower 1931 Nov 1 p.327

If NO MAN'S OPINION is expressed in watchtower, whose OPINION WAS EXPRESSED?

We have never claimed infallibility. Jesus disciples themselves had wrong expectations like I said earlier. "LORD, are you restoring the kingdom to Israel at this time?” (Acts 1:6)"... This does not mean they do not have God's holy spirit or approval.

The disciples ONLY HAVE WRONG EXPECTATIONS not WRONG GOD'S WORD.

Even the people who pen down Bible never claimed INFALLIBILITY but what every Bible students hold is that God always uses fallible human to pen down His infallible that's why you can TRUST BIBLE as the Word of God.

So if watchtower claimed the same HOLY SPIRIT who helped those people pen down Bible GUIDE AND DIRECT their publications, should it be FALLIBLE.

You seem bent on confusing yourself.

No! You're the very one who looks confused because I don't know different btw DIVINE INSPIRATION and being GUIDED, HELPED AND DIRECTED by Jehovah, Holy Spirit, and Jesus.

we? Who is we?

The listeners

Why not. It is inspired of God. Sometimes God dictated the words. Sometimes he revealed it to people miraculously and they pen it down tastefully. Don't be stumbled abeg. The Bible is divinely inspired. And that's what we rely on, and encourage you to rely on.

So HOW DID GOD GUIDE THE PUBLICATION OF WATCHTOWER?

You don't rely on it rather on your 8 men in Brooklyn (sorry New York)

I can't make any sense from what you wrote.

Read it again, this time slowly

Watchtower claimed that the way the early Christians were inspired and directed is the same way the 8 slaves men in Brooklyn (sorry New York) are directed and inspired?

I do. But like I said, a child of God can have wrong expectations at times.

Who is talking about TIME here

We're talking about WRONG TEACHING

The only problem is if you have a better understanding and continue to wallow in the wrong information like you are doing.

Just as the information you have today as truth CAN BECOME WRONG INFORMATION in few years if ANOTHER BRIGHTER LIGHT SHINE.

We used to celebrate birthdays and Christmas. We stopped all of that.

This is not WRONG EXPECTATION OF TIME but WRONG TEACHING.

So those people who once celebrated Birthday and Christmas died as IDOLATERS, so is there hope of heavenly calling for them and resurrection to paradise earth?

We didn't preach from house to house before. We do now.

I guess the Bible passages that later instruct you people to start preaching from house to house were not pen down, they were just added few years ago.

That's progressive do t you think. But we have left you behind haven't we?

You left me behind when you're still struggling for just 9millions followers for over 100years whereas. That's unfruitfulness

Read that scripture again

I do, did you?

well it is on record somewhat.. if it weren't we wouldn't have known.

On record that THEY DISH OUT WONG TEACHINGS or THEY DIED CELEBRATING BIRTHDAY

The disciples used a sword to defend Jesus. Later they learnt they weren't supposed to.

Only ONE PERSON (but you wrote DISCIPLES) used sword and it's just on ONE OCCASION. Not THAT they first CLAIMED and PRACTICEED using WEAPONS to kill people is allowed then years later another BRIGHT LIGHT SHINE said it's not so anymore.

Unlike watchtower teachings where one teaching goes on for decade but only for dim light to shine.

The disciples didn't preach to gentiles nor mingle with them. Later they had to.

And where did the disciples FIRST CLAIM THAT preaching to or TEACHING the Gentile is wrong before changing it to NOW YOU CAN TEACH OR PREACH TO GENTILE?

You people don't even know what you're comparing with with each other.

Let me give you a typical example.

Jesus is the one who commissioned Apostle Paul to the Gentiles' nation.

Now imagine if you read it from Matthew, Mark & Luke that Peter who is leading the early Christians HAS CLAIMED THAT he was directed & guided by Jesus Christ that the gospel will never be PREACHED TO THE GENTILES but only for Paul to show up few years later and CLAIMED the same Jesus instructed him that the gospel will be preached to the gentiles.

This is the case of watchtower.

Feel me?

Only if you understand.

fallacy of hasty generalisation

Do you?

Nezero:
Of course we trust the Bible. If what we believe in pains you, then I cannot help you.

I'm sure you can't provide reasonable answers to those questions.

Before you can't deny not trusting in the Bible, then why can't you trust in your OLD PUBLICATIONS which is the product of the same Jehovah, Holy Spirit, and Invisible Jesus?