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Barristter07:
humans and angels are not called god Horus .

I gave the source already.

Egyptologist and bible Scholar Dr. James Hoffmeier comments: this birthday is referencing the subject [pharaoh ] coronation date, since that would have been the Pharaoh's "birth" as a god.


Disprove that.


Na pagan celebration you carry for head like gala. No single servant of God even do am.

My points are over cleared on this thread!

But Russell did it
Rutherford did it
Knorr did it

Are they not servants of Jehovah?

Janosky:
The truth is Clear, Jesus Christ is the archangel Michael.
Who wan vex, please exercise your right.
You can't change the holy Scriptures.

So where was it written in the Holy scripture that Jesus is Angel Michael?

It's evident who is angry profoundly and changing the Holy scripture on this thread.

JaNosense the lying liar JWs like his father the Devil.

needanswer:
You are right, I am satisfied. I am not yet a JW, I believe examine if maybe there was something BETTER elsewhere. That part he said he doesnt know which is not helpful.

Sorry to cheap in this, I found those two @underlined statements contradicting because when you're satisfied with something you don't look else where.

Well becoming a JWs is your choice and you won't be the last person.

People will continue to change from one religion to another based on their personal view or direct encounter with the True God.

The good news is that all Biblical figures had this same direct encounter with the True God and Jesus said in John 14:21 that "whoever loves Him, He will manifest/reveal/show HIMSELF to him"

This is what I called knowing God beyond letters.

Barristter07:
" ... put a ring on his hand " Luke 15:22

What's special about rings?

Something is special because it's pagan origin!

People celebrate Wedding , Jesus attended one.

Who is talking about wedding or Jesus attended wedding?

And people use rings on their hands.

Show us the servants of God who put ring in their fingers

Don't forget pharaoh gave Joseph a signet ring,

And the same Pharaoh is viewed as god, that's wonderful.

Yet Many Jews use rings on their fingers. So the idea of wearing rings have no condemnation.

Can you show us where the idea of celebrating birthdays has condemnation?

Show us one that did their birthday celebration ?

Do you show us one that wear ring?

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In case you lost in your own delusion, let me recap for you.

1. Your point centered on Birthday has a pagan origin
2. Lev 18:3 asked the Israelites not to PRACTICE any of the Egyptian and Canaan customs.

Now!

1. Wedding ring is a pagan practice as can be confirmed throughout history.

Ancient Egypt: Ring of infinity

Ancient Egyptians are said to have been the first to use rings in a wedding ceremony, as early as 3000 BC. Rings were made of braided hemp or reeds formed into a circle— the symbol of eternity, not only for the Egyptians, but many other ancient cultures. The hole in the ring’s center represented a gateway or door leading to future events. These rings were placed on the fourth finger of the left hand (known as the ring finger) as Egyptians believed a vein ran from that finger straight to the heart, and this practice is said to be the origins of many later traditions." Source Here

2. If the instruction of Lev 18:3 is that Israelites shouldn't put hands in any practices they see the Egyptians doing, and wedding ring originated from Egypt, then only a bias mind will contradict his own point of view here.

Q.E.D

Barristter07:
The same verse recorded their sisters as mere invitees, So are you subscribing to the idea that women are mere invitees to a birth day ?

Na wah

I didn't give much attention to that Job from beginning because I thought @achorladey has done enough justice to that but I see you derive joy in your ignorance and delusion.

Here is the verse in NIV

"His sons used to hold feasts in their homes on their birthdays, and they would invite their three sisters to eat and drink with them."

Everyone can see the verse didn't say, the sisters don't hold their own birthdays but WHENEVER THEIR BROTHERS DID they'll be invited.

Everyone knows Bible mostly silent on female issues but to satisfy your delusion you have to interject your own twisting theory.

Barristter07:
Egyptologist Dr. James Hoffmeier comments: this is referencing the subject [pharaoh ] coronation date, since that would have been the Pharaoh's "birth" as a god.

That's the source of the Statement quoted.

Was pharaoh not viewed as a god ( Horus) ?

Was humans and angels not said to be god?

We're still waiting for your source to support your lies.

Barristter07:
Calm down. Show us a righteous man that did their birthday after isrealites left Egypt ?

Hypocrite!

Can you show us a righteous man that use wedding ring after Israelites left the Egypt?

Barristter07:
Show me a single reference of that Hebrew word that mean birthdays?

It was used other times in scripture to mean an appointed time , not birthdays.

So you didn't do your research on that.

Only Men celebrate birthdays ?

Job sons was recorded to celebrate birthday in the scripture likewise.

Barristter07:
" In particular, during the first two centuries of Christianity there was strong opposition to recognizing birthdays of martyrs or, for that matter, of Jesus. Numerous Church Fathers offered sarcastic comments about the pagan custom of celebrating birthdays " Encyclopedia Brittanica.

Keep jumping up and down...

This is the statement I asked you to provide a reliable source for, till now, you haven't be able, "so they were basically celebrating the Pharaoh’s “birth” as a god."

The same Christians of first-two centuries you didn't subscribe to their teachings are the ones you're rally around.

Would this comment be valid if it's not truly Established that Egyptians Celebrate birthdays of pharaohs for his birth as a god?

We need your source not just speculation.

In fact In the early beginning of birthdays, it was for Pharaohs. Part of their Customs which the Isrealites saw before leaving Egypt.

But they saw WEDDING RING and God warned them to do away with them.

Barristter07:
Just a single reference, You can't ? Shows You have been lying all this while .

Hypocrite!
That's the word for you here

Barristter07:
Who are those dumb scholars ?

Show me one reference of that Hebrew word that refer to birthday .

Is Google missing in your phone.

But why did you use CAN MEAN?

Which is the evidence that you know there's another meaning to that phrase.

By silent you mean they did but it wasn't recorded. No, you are wrong.
The text made it clear that only Job Sons organize that family feast , and when it goes round their Father will purify them.

If the reference was to a Birthday , Females will as well. Don't they have a date of birth ?

The content of that text is Birthday!

Job sons celebrated their birthday.

needanswer:
His previous thread highlights that, I am only on a fact checking mission, to hear both sides of the story without bias and draw my personal conclusion.

Ok

But based on your previous reply, I don't think you're doing any findings since you said you're already cool with most of the answers the elderly JWs gave you.

Barristter07:
His day NOT his birthday.

His day can mean a time someone chosed.

There was a custom in that family that the sons organize a Feast. So each will chose his own day to organize it. That's the reference point of the text.

@color shows once again, how biased you are.

The interpretation of that verse by scholars is birthday but for you to continue in your delusions, you said "CAN MEAN"

That you said the females are just mere invitees proved beyond doubt , that wasn't a birthday. Don't the females have a date of birth too ? if that place want to sideline females according to your point of view, it won't have made mention of them attending at all

That was the reason I asked whether you go to school at all or just decided to be ignorant.

Was scripture usually silent on female issues like men?

That the females cannot organize that feast is enough prove for a rational person that the Job text wasn't a reference to birthday's

Where from the scripture you read that female can't organized that feast?

Barristter07:
[s]Not hypocrisy but a Fact. Why can't you defend your assumption with a Single reference like I did ?

I said Jesus attended a Wedding, wedding ring is not an issue since God backed wedding celebration. provide one person reference for birthday celebration in the Bible by a godly person ?[/s]

Hypocrite!

That's the word for you on anything about that post!

Barristter07:
A Christian that join Ifa people to celebrate their god, eat and drink even if he is not reciting the slogan is valid?

@color is idolatry...

" When the pharaoh came to the throne he was instantly associated with Horus - the god who had defeated the forces of chaos and restored order "

Was this about birthday or you just want to be ignorant?

No wonder you couldn't back up your claim with a reliable source.

The Origin of birthdays is the celebration of a false god. This is not what Romans 14:5,6 is preaching. Not even Jesus or Paul who wrote the text ever made mention of their birthdays. More proof you are yarning dust

I can see you can't still provide a reliable source to back it up.

Which means you're just following the nonsense thought in your hall.

Romans 14:5-6 is about celebrating a day I CHOOSE.

needanswer:
Hello, so I have this elderly JW couple studying with me for some months now, do you think they are a bad idea? If they are what religion do you associate with currently?

Why the question when the thread didn't say anybody is bad?

Barristter07:
Jesus attended a Wedding . Wedding ring is not an issue. Because the concept of wedding itself was ordained by God. . So Lev 18:3 does not apply


Show me where Any servant of God did their birthdays ? To remove the credibility Leviticus 18:3 and Egyptian birthdays custom.

@color is enough for me!

That's a hypocrite in action...

Barristter07:

the text said ONLY the sons organize the Feasts, So those ladies don't have birthdays ??
If the text were a reference to birthday's, are birthdays only for men ?


Answer.

Do you even attend school at all?

because a well educated person knows that, female children weren't normally giving much attention in ancient documentaries. This can even be seen throughout the scriptures.

Even the text still features the female by saying they too were ALWAYS invited.

Only a bias JWs will deny what they celebrate isn't birthday because the text is clear "HIS DAY"

MaxInDHouse:
The word (BIRTHDAY) is written in the case of Pharaoh {Genesis 40:20} and Herod {Matthew 14:6} and never mentioned in connection with a single worshiper of God so that case is settled!

But it was mentioned in connection with Russell, Rutherford & Knorr.

Definitely, they're not worshippers of Jehovah so that case is settled.

You are free to keep the Sabbath if you wish but God's word says Christians aren't under any obligation for observance of ANY DAY not even the Sabbath! Colossians 2:16

Just see how you're contradicting yourself.

But how come you single out Birthday here?

The focal point here, if God who established the great Sabbath day which was model after his own ETERNAL REST later sees no obligation for this same great Day observance, do you think God will bother Himself with a mere birthday celebration?

Janosky:
You're still not getting it.

No follower of Jesus or Servant of the true God, not even Jesus Christ himself, had any connection with annual birthdays celebrations.

We get it very well!

because Russell, Rutherford, Knorr are not followers of Jesus Christ nor servants of the true God since they have connection with birthday celebration.

Barristter07:
Exactly, even if he rejoices with pagans. Nobody should condemn him. He Chooses to do so.

I can perceive your ignorance, Jesus dine with sinners, does that make Jesus a sinner?

Know the difference between the two!

To participate with Pagan means you do exactly what the pagan did that day, you join them in their ritual act, incite their slogan e.t.c

You are seeing how disorganized your logic is.

It's your logic that is wacked.

" As supreme ruler of the people, the pharaoh was considered a god on earth, the intermediary between the gods and the people. When the pharaoh came to the throne he was instantly associated with Horus - the god who had defeated the forces of chaos and restored order - and when he died, he was associated with Osiris, the god of the dead."
- PHARAOH , World History Encyclopedia

In light of the above . See the below



Origin of birthdays
" The oldest reference to birthdays found in history goes back to ancient Egypt. When pharaohs were crowned in ancient Egypt they were considered to have transformed into gods. This divine promotion made their coronation date much more important than their birth into the world, so they were basically celebrating the Pharaoh’s “birth” as a god. "

https://medium.com/the-innovation/birthdays-the-most-famous-pointless-celebration-5b5940a269ca
See the above quotes

The funny part of it and to see how bias you are, you quoted encyclopedia article first then went ahead to quote A BLOG without a reliable source to back it up.

I'm waiting for your encyclopedia source on that!

Even the article says "...This divine promotion made their coronation date much more important than their birth into the world,..."

You are celebrating something whose origin has to do with connections with pagan gods, customs God banned the Israelites from partaking of. Definitely birthdays is not the point of Romans 14:5,6 . The text is not for festivals dedicated to a strange god as you confessed earlier .

No! I'm celebrating my OWN birthday.

Wedding ring is also part of that custom God banned the Israelites from partaking of.

Romans 14:5-6 shows I can CHOOSE A DAY TO CELEBRATE.

Barristter07:
When Logic fail you, it becomes a twisted truth. I presented evidence that the western wedding rings traced back to the Greeks and Romans, not as part of a false worship or dedication to a strange god, but a symbol of Marital Union , the same way a signet Ring given to Joseph by a pagan King signifies authority. Does God against what the symbol represent ? No.

So shameful that, your twisted lying tongue was exposed but you couldn't admit it.

You even have audacity to repeat the WESTERN WEDDING RING nonsense.

You rush to Lev 18:3 which says "So don’t follow the customs of Egypt where you used to live or those of Canaan where I am bringing you."

To drive your point that since Birthday originated from Egypt then God has warned Israelites shouldn't FOLLOW ANY OF THEIR PRACTICES.

Even the son called WESTERN WEDDING RING from Greek & Romans, remember they are part of CANAAN mentioned above.

But everyone knows WEDDING RING originated from Egypt.

So Lev 18:3 should be applied here.

achorladey:
We need to call his brother Janosky to come see how encyclopedia can be RIGHT despite being GIBBERISH from ATHEIST, PAGANS e.t.c which their religious leaders sift and call spiritual food at the proper time.

I'm telling you,

See how he endorsed encyclopedia forgotten that the same encyclopedia speaks on many issues including the one against JWs.

Barristter07:
In what sense was it used , dedicated to a false God Or God's command of marriage ? You are totally null here, because the rule of marriage applies to everyone irrespective of religion.

Wonder shall never ends.

This is one of the 7 wonders of lying JWs.

So wedding ring was used to God's command of marriage by a pagan Nation who also started a pagan celebration of birthday.

The Birthdays which started in Egypt didn't have the same tone, it was with reference to the belief that Pharaohs were a divine god. This makes this celebration a part of their False worship. THIS IS WHY YOU WONT FIND THE ISREALITES CONTINUING THE PRACTICE. It was banned ( Leviticus 18:3)

Still lying on the Pharaoh.

Show us where birthday was mentioned in Lev 18

You can twist scripture the way you want but people reading it can see the truth.

So where was wedding ring mentioned by God as what people can use on wedding day, since God accepted it from pagan Egyptians?

Janosky:
Leviticus 18:3
" You shall not do according to the custom of the land of Egypt, in which you dwelt...."

You copy this from your brother and I'm dealing with that already.

Bros, wear goggles dey read Galatians 4:8-11.
Read am to verses 8 to 30 and cure your delusion.
You done stubbornly reject Leviticus 18:3 & Galatians 4:8-11 from your heart but you no fit remove am from your Bible

Show this forum any part of the Bible where Jehovah's Servants- Jesus Christ and Paul celebrated their birthdays?

Mr LIENUS, Matthew 14:6 , did Jesus Christ know that pagan king Herod celebrated his birthday?
John 15:15, Why Jesus Christ & Paul no do am ?

JaNosense the lying liar JWs like his father the Devil

You haven't provided where Paul, Jesus and Bible outrightly condemned celebration of birthday.

Barristter07:
Earlier you used the verse like it automatically Give you license to any celebration, now you are saying it's not reffering to celebrations that have pagan tones , or dedicated to a strange god.

That's the figment of your own imagination not mine.

That verse proves that a Christian can CHOOSE ANY DAY to celebrate and there is no condemnation on that.

The origin of birthdays, The Egyptians used it to Celebrate the birth of the divine gods called pharaoh.

Can you provide a source for this?

Emusan " which has nothing in connection with a STRANGE GOD "

Yes it has nothing in connection with strange god.

I'm celebrating MY OWN BIRTHDAY not ANOTHER person's birthday.

Here we see that the text of Romans 14:5,6 could not refer to a pagan celebration Which has something to do with a strange god.

But the text of Romans 14:5-6 says I can choose a DAY I WISH to celebrate.

Is people celebrating birthday celebrating A GOD?

[b][u]World book Enyclopedia was right[/u.] when it says the early Christian's view the celebration of anyone's birth as a pagan custom.

Now "encyclopedia was RIGHT" by Barristter07 word on Mable.....

The same encyclopedia was right when it says "The earliest existing rings are those found in the tombs of ancient Egypt."

Janosky:
Mumu question.
You too love argument.
Who converted Saul to Paul and he wrote Galatians 4:8-11 & 1 Corinthians 11:1?

The great JaNosense the lying liar JWs like your father the Devil.

Now, my question is mumu and I love argument simply because you couldn't provide the scripture here.

Here is my question again:

Can you prove to us from your Bible, show this forum where Paul or Jesus, any part of the scriptures condemned celebration of birthday?

Barristter07:
" The Western traditions of wedding rings can be traced to ancient Rome and Greece, and were first associated with the marital dowry and later with a promise of fidelity. " Wikipedia .

Marital dowry is biblical. It wasn't associated with False worship.

False!

If I say you lack simple comprehension now, it would look as if I'm insulting you.

You provided a quote yet you didn't understand what you quoted.

@Color that Wikipedia article is on WESTERN TRADITION of wedding ring but everyone knows that wedding ring originated from ancient Egypt around 4800-5000 BC

Let's even granted the Rome & Greek origin, it still shows that it's pagan origin because Rome & Greek were never considered as Israelites.

So Why don't the Isrealites continue the practice of Birthdays they witnessed in Egypt according to Lev 18:3 ?

I actually countered your first post with that question not because it has anything to do with the verse you quoted.

Lev 18:3 is a cherry picked verse by you to twist the scripture.

Lev 18 as a whole was described as "Unlawful Sex.ual Relations" by some translations.

And from verse 6 God pointed out the actual things they should not PRACTICE yet BIRTHDAY wasn't listed.

Barristter07:
I think you forgot that those who attended a birthday party are celebrating another person's Festival too. , So the point here is not another person's festival. It's the Convinction in the persons mind about that day , that its observed for God.

You still don't that verse!

Ileya or ifa festival is a day DEDICATED to a god.

Birthday is day DECIDED by the celebrant to organize a FEAST for people.

So if I chose a DAY to do ANYTHING which has NOTHING IN CONNECTION with a STRANGE GOD and I'm convinced about it, that's what the scripture is saying.

Here we go:
The person esteem that Day as sacred for him or her and his fully convinced in his mind that he observed the Ileya Day or Ifa Day for God , Do you accept the verse justified this assertion , emphasis on " let each be fully convinced in his own mind " ?

No the person didn't, the people behind the festival did.

because you're not the coordinator of such.

Understand that verse well

MaxInDHouse:
There are topics that interests me not individuals with whom i can't relate cordially!
I only pick interest in those who wants to learn not those who always argue since our faith doesn't work together! Philippians 2:14; Colossians 2:4; 1Timothy 6:4; Titus 3:9
So once you and i aren't getting along it's UNCHRISTIAN looking for you to chat with, that's not what Jesus taught us it's the Pharisees, Sadducees and Scribes who always look for Christians to argue with knowing fully well that the Christians aren't going to change their faith.
You claim you're Christian but JWs know Churches whose members aren't hostile towards scriptural discussion that's why i always try to know what Church you belong!

Says the deluded JWs who doesn't have life outside Nairaland.

Do you quote people on Nairaland or not?

Hypocrite!

MaxInDHouse:
That's what God's word says! Revelations 19:19-21
That's why it's necessary to ascertain the group of people that's separate {John 15:19} from all other people who are just doing things the same way!

Oh that's what God's word says

But the lake of fire the person mentioned isn't from God's word, right?

See granular delusion.

MaxInDHouse:
You're just going through torments seeing the truth on social media so i'll cut you off henceforth!

Imagine, why can't you deny you didn't post picture of President Putin accorded and award to a JWs family on this forum and let your lying liar mouth continue to be exposed?