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Barristter07:
Replied in my earlier post. English is your problem. A person know, and many persons don't know. How many person's know?

The qualifier is " KNOW " .

Someone said to a group:

How many person's know The capital of Nigeria is Abuja ? That statement didn't say those who don't know are not persons. But it aim to know what's the figure of those who know. Pathetic

From my previous reply.

Jesus never mentioned Holy Spirit in that verse stop interjecting your own wrong opinion into it.

Eccl 12:7 said human spirit is " IT " . A thing, it was personified. Further prove its a thing was offered, Spirit return to God when a man dies, but Jesus didn't return to God the day he died ... Spirit of man is not a person. That answers how spirit of God could know the things of God.

Spirit of a man is a person!

Jesus went to preach to the dead

ONLY INTELLIGENT AND CONSCIOUS BEING has the ability to KNOW educated illiterate.

You can provide from any source where INANIMATE THING start having ability to KNOW!

Barristter07:
English is now a problem ?

The bolded are all persons that doesn't know. It doesn't change the Fact that they are persons , But they don't know

Now the question says : How many persons know ? One person, the Father . Simple

Anyone who claims Holyspirit is a person is saying TWO PERSONS KNOW. Which would make Jesus a liar.

This is the basis of the scam called trinity

The fact is that, Jesus never mentioned HOLY SPIRIT in that verse, which negates your lying of forcing wrong meaning into that verse.

After I pointed out your delusion of PERSON know which is just your useless interjection.

John 16:13 However, when that one arrives, the spirit of the truth, he will guide YOU into all the truth, for he will not speak of his own impulse, but what things he hears he will speak, and he will declare to YOU the things coming." NWT

Can you tell us how the color part fits into inanimate thing, Mr educated illiterate?

If your son/daughter comes back from school and give a narration in this same manner, would you have assumed s/he was talking about inanimate thing or a person?

MaxInDHouse:
Emusan you'll get no further answer from me until you apologize for lying against me or show evidence of your accusation!

I understand your frustration!

I was away from Nairaland for more than three weeks, only for me to login and see mentions on my profile. Guess what, among the mentions you are tagging my moniker to provide answers to a topic you raised, you never demand for evidence nor ask me to apologize for anything.

Can you see the hypocrisy I do talk about?

Now, you can't provide simple answers to my questions but instead for you to allow the next person to do, you start attacking strawman. Anyways, I know you style and it won't stop me from keep exposing your lies and that of your organizatio.

Lastly, I still keep to my word and I want you to sue me for it. You once promoted a ponze scheme on this forum with your deleted moniker @maximus69

Barristter07:
Alaye don get Emotional

Like you do

The text is all about which person knows.
The bold makes how many person knowing ?

The text wasnt about HOW MANY PERSON KNOW thats still your own interjection
Jesus did not know Angels did not know
Does that make them not a PERSON?

An "it" , not person. ' ... Spirit return to God who gave IT ' Eccl 12:7
Sorry ehn

But Him is a person
pele

Barristter07:
Proving it's not a person. Cos only one person knows the day and hour.

So pathetic you can be so deluded.

Do you even reason to what you post at all?

If because ONLY THE FATHER knows (as what the scripture says) makes Holy spirit not a person, then OTHERS WHO DONT KNOW like the son, the angels are also not a pereon.

The same way the human spirit , which is a thing. Knows the mind of humans.

See what educated illitrate is saying.

How can unconscious THING has the capacity to KNOW?

Which school did you get that from?

The question again: do you accept the above or you insisted Jesus lied only a person knows ?

As everyone can see, you're the very one who is lying here because Jesus never said ONLY A PERSON. If ONLY A PERSON know it means others who don't know are not PERSON.

Barristter07:
Proving holy spirit is not a person,. It's not two persons that know. Doesn't a man's spirit also knows a man's mind, is it not a thing ?

Holy spirit is a person, that verse never talks about PERSON but what ONLY THE FATHER KNOWS, you're just attacking a straw man

Man's spirit is a person!

MaxInDHouse:
The supernatural GIFTS is what the OP meant not natural human capabilities that's found in men which our God saw before calling them to come and use in his congregation!

That's nice!

So all the claim of being guided by Holy Spirit, Jehovah himself, Jesus Christ are just NATURAL HUMAN CAPABILITY of the leaders of JWs.

That's why you can't address my questions.

What is the difference between SUPERNATURAL GIFT and being QUIDED BY HOLY SPIRIT, JEHOVAH, OR JESUS CHRIST?

There are supernatural GIFTS that God gave people in the past, after the purpose has been accomplished such GIFTS will cease {1Corinthians 13:8-10}

If not because you're a clown, I was force to use that caustic word.

You're the very one who claimed "But in our midst they don't add their spiritual responsibility..."

This supernatural responsibilities is when you admitted that there're still PROPHET TODAY as Jesus said.

Now only to spew another thrash

this differs from natural human capabilities that's inborn.

So being a PROPHET is human human capabilities that's inborn, seriously you need to check the nut that loosen up there.

So get it straight Sir!

Nothing to get here, it's obvious your brother made a very nasty mistake for creating this thread which you people are fighting tooth and nail to defend.

MaxInDHouse:
So you only LIED!
Well i'll convey your message to Preciousgirl she needs to bear this!

Looking for who to join with their lies

You've repeated that many times, so bringing it here won't stop me from addressing the topic.

If not for guilty conscience, you won't be using that as a tactics to derail a thread.

MaxInDHouse:
Of course!
But in our midst they don't add their spiritual responsibility to their names in the public {Matthew 23:8} so only within that we know the GIFT in each of them!

Can you see people with the same line of thought

So what is the essence of this thread if you agree that there's actually PROPHET among Jehovah's witnesses? When lies can't be defend anymore

MaxInDHouse:
The last time you LIED against me and promised to bring the evidence but i can sense that's why you've been running away from my posts now ever since then because you're ashamed of yourself!

Running away from your post what a comic part!

I still maintain my word, you once promoted a pyramid scheme on this platform with your deleted moniker(and I'm very sure it's one of the reasons you deleted that moniker)... You can hang yourself if you like!

When you're done, answer my questions, if not park well for a another person to take the challenge.

Janosky:
Advocate is a masculine Greek pronoun.
Hence, holy Spirit is spoken of as Advocate

So you know a masculine Greek was used for the Holy Spirit yet you always claim NEUTER for Him

Hence, which make Holy Spirit a PERSON

You haven't completed my post, I challenged you to tell us ONE INANIMATE THING that said to be an advocate. In fact, that Jesus is also an advocate means Holy Spirit and Jesus are person.

[s]Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit, left the Jordan and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,
Compare Luke 4:14.

Your deity is led by another person,So your deity is no longer God Almighty?
"Jesus full of holy spirit, So how many persons is Jesus your deity?
[/s]

Usual ranting has started.
I'm here for that.

Holy spirit is always sent forth for a given purpose, has no will of it's own.

The fact that you can spew the @color part shows how dishonesty and hypocrisy you are.

Here is it confirmed even in your demonic translation

But all these operations are performed by the very same spirit, distributing to each one respectively just as it wills. 1 Corin 12:11

Is the finger of God a person?
Is the eyes/ears of God a person?

Tell us where the finger or eyes or ears of God said to have MIND, can be grieved, has WILL, advocate, speak e.t.c

Typical JWs! I'm not surprised at all.

haddeylium:
Remember I said I'm not here to debate your personal opinion and view. You're entitled to it.

Of course I know, but you should have open that your opinion in your hall because here we tell it to your face all your lies.

If you want to know Jehovah's witnesses view on this. You should ask questions in a civilised way. Else, I'll pass

You can show the part that is not civilized in my questions.

I'm still waiting for the answers to my questions anyway.

Barristter07:
So Jesus lie when he said only the Father knows ?

So the scripture lied when it said Holy spirit knows the mind of God.

In fact, how can inanimate thing KNOW THE VERY MIND OF YOUR GOD?

Barristter07:
Thank you.
So how many persons know the Day?

Only the Father knows!

Does Holy Spirit knows the mind of God?

Barristter07:
Holy spirit is not a person.

Holy spirit is a person as established in the Scriptur.

Matt 24:36- Does the holy spirit know the day and hour ?

Yes! because He knows the very MIND OF THE FATHER.

Janosky:
Luke 7:35, Wisdom has children, is it a person.
Romans 8:16,26 KJV "spirit itself"
Which verses in your Bible calls God "THEY"?
Does microphone bear witness you are talking?

And that's only personification of wisdom.

But why Holy spirit is different is that
1. Holy spirit has MIND (I challenge you to tell us non living things that said to have mind in the scripture)
2. Holy spirit has will which even the same with the Father and Jesus Christ
3. Holy spirit is an ADVOCATE just as Jesus is also an advocate (show us where non living things said to be an advocate in the scripture)
4. Holy spirit hears and can speak

Just to mention but few of the attributes of person identify in the scripture about Holy spirit

BeLookingIDIOT:
1 John 5:7 according to biblical scholars is a fabrication that was added later on in the bible. Newer biblical translations have removed it.

Tell us just (5) names of Biblical scholars who say that verse is a fabrication and i'll list more than 10 Biblical scholars who accepted that verse as authentic as other verses in the scripture.

The lies against that verse has been exposed long time, evidence abound that the verse is well known by early christians like Cyprian as early as 200 DC which is just few years after the death of Apostle John.

And the trinity is not "three persons in one God"–this is heresy according to the church. Rather it is three Gods(not gods) in one God...Gibberish right

Provide your source on this

Most Christians don't actually know what the Trinity is and believe in one heretical version of it or another.

Rather say, most of you don't know what Trinity apart from the lies you people have been fed.

This thread really shows that JWs and lies are 5 & 6, and it's only a body whose founder has relationship with the Father of lies himself can give birth to people defending lies like this.

You claimed Jehovah witness never called themselves PROPHET when primary pupils know what Prophet means yet you claim Guidance from Jehovah, Holy Spirit, Invisible Jesus.

And all these lies just to defend the previous lies. Which is true that it takes more lies to cover up lies.

My questions are these to all JWs here:
1. Was there a time in the history of JWs that Holy Spirit, Jehovah or Jesus never worked with the leaders? If Yes! State the period or year. If No! Go to the next question.

2. From inception of JWs since the time of Russell, which doctrine(s) did Holy Spirit, Jehovah, Jesus Christ help the JWs leader to formulate?

3. What does it mean to be guided by the Holy Spirit in deeper truth of the scripture?

4. Which among the leaders of JWs wasn't guided by Holy Spirit, Jehovah, or Jesus in his time?

5. According to Wikipedia "In religion, a prophet is an individual who is regarded as being in contact with a divine being and is said to speak on behalf of that being, serving as an intermediary with humanity by delivering messages or teachings from the supernatural source to other people.[1][2] The message that the prophet conveys is called a prophecy."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophet

Are you saying JWs has never claimed anything of this nature before especially the underlined?

6. Lastly, do you agree you lied or you lack the understanding of the thread you opened?

Janosky:
Oga Bros, there are several "first borns" approved by God in your Bible- Israel, Reuben, David, Jesus, Isaac etc.
Each of them are members of God's family of believers, the People chosen to bear Jehovah's name, 2 Chro7:14 & Acts 15:7-14. Acts 3:13

You rightly pointed out that first borns were "with distinguished favor and honor."



Genesis 4:19 & Colossians 1:15, in the case of both Reuben and Jesus Christ, their claims to preeminence as first born was literal.
That is the true meaning of first born of "every Creature"/Son (in the case of Jesus/Reuben).
The 1599 Geneva Bible @ Colossians 1:15 puts it succinctly.

So you know there are several firstborn in the Bible which are used literally and Jesus Christ is one but you and your lying brothers have been interpreting "Firstborn of every Creature" to mean FIRSTCREATED BEING

You can even see how your darling Geneva Bible is exposing your lying mouth the mouth.

This post needs to be bookmarked!

Barristter07:
I reference to you verse 11, If you had read that, you won't speak the ignorance filled statements above. Was the book John not written after Jesus had died and ressurected ? John was Making a summary in relation to Jesus ministry to the Jews before he died.

Verse 11 reads:

" He came to his own homeland, yet his own people did not receive him . "
CJB


The underlined became obvious after he was killed by the same people. So what John was describing were events that happened in the past in relation to Jesus ministry with the Jews. Not all believers ...

Oponu oniro radarada!

If John was describing were events that HAPPENED IN THE PAST in relation to Jesus ministry with the Jews then it also means The Jews were already RESURRECTED because it read " "And they WERE BORN" When your lying mouth was exposed you have to twist mouth again.

Besides, the basis of verse 12-13 is what you pointed out in that verse 11 "he came to own homeland and his OWN PEOPLE did not receive him" because of this is, verse 12 "But TO AS MANY as did receive him, to those who put their trust in his person and power, he gave the right to become children of God, CJB

No how you twisted it or the version of the Bible you run to, your lying mouth will keep expose.

Not at all, read again.

It is! Mr lying liar like your father the devil.

Even the CJB you run to still expose your lying mouth.

Are you part of the MANY that did receive him and put your trust in his person and power?

Your last question doesn't show you understand how Christ Ressurection works. Many unrighteous persons would gain Ressurection too by virtue of this same Ressurection. So the Fact that someone benefit from Christ death and Ressurection doesn't make them born again. Change that silly idea. ANYONE can benefit from Christ Ressurection , born again or not.

This is the ignoramus we do talk about.

ONLY BELIEVERS benefit from Christ RESURRECTION which is what Peter addressed and that makes ALL BELIEVERS TO BE BORN AGAIN.

I see how you dubiously boycotted my point on 1 John. Ole...

Quote that Peter in Full please

1Peter 1:3,4
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,to an inheritance that is imperishable, undefiled, and unfading, kept in heaven for you, .

Describing that inheritance again in his second letter , he said.

" ... by which he has granted to us his precious and very great promises, so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped from the corruption that is in the world because of sinful desire. " 2Pet 1:4

Emphasis on " inheritance ... Kept in heaven for you " and " partakers of Divine nature "

It's obvious here that born again individuals won't be having an human nature. Rather God's own Divine nature which doesn't have flesh and blood. And they won't live forever on Earth.

This begs the question : Why are those mentioned as having everlasting life at Rev 21:3,4 not said to have Divine nature ? Why are they on planet Earth where flesh and blood lives? I thought the inheritance/living hope is kept in heaven for them .

Simple answer: Jesus Ransom sacrifice benefit many others to live forever on Earth.

Imagine, I should quote Peter in full, is that how you quote scripture in full?

1 Peter 1:3-4 again "...he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,"

It's evident from here that it is through the resurrection of Jesus Christ that BELIEVES ARE BORN AGAIN

About 2 Peter 1:4 this is the intro of it

"Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, TO THEM that have OBTAINED LIKE PRECIOUS FAITH WITH US through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ KJV

From here, we can see that Peter didn't direct his statement to selected group but INDIVIDUAL who has OBTAINED THE SAME PRECIOUS FAITH LIKE HIS.

The question is, do you obtain a precious faith like that of Peter?

keep lying for your 8 men and demonic organization.

DappaD:
You’re not making any point.

Of course, I don't expect my post to make any sense to you.

I literally told you that Jehovah will have adopted spirit sons in heaven(Romans 8:16) provided they remain faithful to death(Hebrews 3:14)

I like the way you said, ***"You literally..."*** which means it's your personal view not that of the Holy Word of God.

and human sons and daughters on earth(Romans 8:21) provided they remain faithful after the millennial rule of Christ. Revelation 20:1-3

And the reason I quoted John 1:12-13 that scripture actually says ALL WHO BELIEVE AND RECEIVE JESUS CHRIST ARE BORN AGAIN

Which you haven't be able to prove false but just jumping up and down.

Emusan, you no get talk for mouth.

Dappad, you that has talk for mouth, why twisting the scripture?

Barristter07:
I really like the highlighted part . Here is the verse again.

However, TO ALL WHO DID RECEIVE HIM, he gave authority to become God’s children,+ because they WERE exercising faith in his name....[/color]
Bible is very cleared here "TO ALL WHO DID RECEIVE HIM..."

If your comprehension skills is that top notch, you would have seen that the Tenses in the verse are in the past tense. The writer of John 1:12,13 is reffering to the first Jewish followers of Jesus who received him ( see verse 11) . Not all disciples. It says WERE, NOt WILL, the event were In the past . , Did is also past tense too.

I do say it, your dubious act is what keeps you under the bondage of your father the Devil for so long.

Now it's about using PAST TENSES.

See how this will put you in more trouble now.

Verse 13 "And they WERE BORN, not from blood or from a fleshly will or from man’s will, but from God."

So to you, these people are ALREADY REBIRTH even before Christ paid the ultimate sacrifice and not yet resurrected.

Everyone can see your dubious act and the reason why you're twisting that verse.

We are clear that John 1:12 is not reffering to every believer , So yes many believer's in Christ will live forever on Earth . Like John the Baptist, the repentant theif etc . This one's excercise Faith but are not born again.

Those born again are promised Divine nature not human nature. 1Peter 3.

We can see that John 1:12-13 is for everyone as you tried to twist.

All believers are BORN AGAIN even your lying organization said marginal reference to that john 1:13 is 1 John 3:9 which says "Everyone who has been born from God does not practice sin..."

What is the criteria John listed in his epistles as to be born from God?

Ans: EVERYONE who believes that Jesus is CHRIST is BORN OF GOD. 1 John 5:1

I can also see how you stylishly pushed aside that 1 Peter which says "...who according to His great mercy has caused us to be BORN AGAIN to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,"

Peter affirmed that THROUGH THE RESURRECTION of CHRIST we are BORN AGAIN.

Was resurrection of Christ only for selected people?

DappaD:
Yes, after the millennial rule of Christ, all humans living on earth would be completely free from sin(Revelation 22:1,2) and hence be called Jehovah’s sons and daughters. Romans 8:21

What so amazing about this is how you just keep jumping my point

So you mean John 1:12-13 was about After millennial rule of Christ and not people who DID RECEIVE HIM as scripture says?

But for now, we’re still children of wrath(Romans 5:12) until we pass the final test. Revelation 20:1-3

Of course, I know all Jws are children of wrath because they belong to their father the Devil

And the born again also are still children of wrath for now

My question is still pending since two days now:

That was the reason I quoted that Matt 5 to show you that the criteria of inherit earth was to be MEEK. Do you say those who will rule with Jesus aren't MEEK?

MaxInDHouse:
Thank you!

You're welcome!

MaxInDHouse:
One day you will end up behind bars accusing people without having proof!

If it got to that, people like Seun and mods will be summoned to court and your posts on your deleted moniker will be made available.

Just like I said, you feel there's no evidence because you took down that moniker but I promise you, I'll get to root of this just wait and see. I understand your fear, you thought nobody was aware of those threads then but since I brought it up, your blood has been boiling.

DappaD:
Those who receive the “new birth” from God have their inheritance in the spiritual heavens(1Peter 1:3,4)

Yes and the scripture confirmed that ALL BELIEVERS receive the new birth.

John 1:12-13 says "However, to all who did receive him, he gave authority to become God’s children, because they were exercising faith in his name." NWT

since they cannot take their fleshly bodies to heaven(1Corinthians 15:50), they will need to be transformed to become spirit beings(John 3:6)

How will they be TRANSFORMED? Are they not BORN AGAIN OR REBIRTH anymore?

Funny you, or you forgot EVERYONE will be RESURRECTED.

I strongly believe that those who have this inheritance will number a total of 144,000. Revelation 7:1-3, 14:1-5

Well, you have right to believe what you want but not what the scripture says because the window is opened to "To ALL WHO DID RECEIVE HIM"

So, it can't be limited to 144,000 because millions did receive him.

The question is, will those whom Jesus said would have their inheritance on earth, need to be born again? Matthew 5:5

Matt 5:5 says "Blessed are the meek and gentle—they will inherit the earth."

The people Jesus said will INHERIT the earth are THE MEEK, are you saying those who'll have heavenly inheritance are not MEEK & GENTLE?

If yes, of what use will it be since Revelation 21:3 says that it is mankind(flesh and blood) that will inherit the blessings listed in Revelation 21:4?

But the fact still remains that, "TO ALL WHO DID RECEIVE HIM" they are BORN AGAIN.

Question!
Who will born those who have their inheritance on earth?

MaxInDHouse:
Then if this is your understanding of being born again then i'm outstandingly born again because i am a beleiver!

That's what the scripture says not me, so if you think you're up to that criteria then you're a born again.

MaxInDHouse:
No problem you've behaved so foolishly this time but next time before you lay false and stupid accusation against anyone try to gather evidence so that you won't look stupid. Period!

You created two threads with your deleted moniker @Maximus69 promoting Ponzi Scheme....I said it before and I'll say it again. You can hit your dull skull on the wall.

Scammer JWs! I know it pains you whenever your evil deeds are brought open because as a hypocrite, you're always pretending to be an Angel of Light just like your father the Devil.

Barristter07:
It's not for a man to decide he is born again or Rebirth. John 1:12,13 at highlighted corroborate what is written at John 3:8.

I understand because you have comprehension issue I don't expect you to grab the point, which is the reason you keep perambulating.

Here is the main point from John 1:12-13

12 However, TO ALL WHO DID RECEIVE HIM, he gave authority to become God’s children,+ because they were exercising faith in his name....

Bible is very cleared here "TO ALL WHO DID RECEIVE HIM..."

Not from man's will but God.

Yes! The rebirth isn't from man's will but God but the promise is "To ALL WHO DID RECEIVE HIM"

Unless you're claiming God is lying here!

[s]just as you can feel the wind but cant tell or dictate it's movement. It's not for a man to decide to be born again.[/s]

Who claimed that it's man who decided to be born again or not?

The point is WHO EVER BELIEVES IN CHRIST IS BORN AGAIN or REBIRTH

1Peter 3 highlighted the point that those rebirth will be spirit persons , sharers of the Divine nature., God own nature , Spirit. It called it a " PROMISE "

Liar! That's not 1 Peter 3 point.

The point is, ALL BELIEVERS ARE BORN AGAIN as a result of Christ Dead. That is the DEATH OF CHRIST makes ALL BELIEVERS to be BORN AGAIN not selected people.

[s]This is different from the Human nature given those who will live forever on Earth . Revelation 21:3,4 . Gods spirit nature doesn't have flesh and blood. God created them , birth them from Adam. But didn't rebirth them as Spirit sons.

The question you're still dodging is, those who will live forever on Earth DO THEY BELIEVE/RECEIVE CHRIST?

John 1:12 says "However, to all who did receive him, he gave authority to become God’s children, because they were exercising faith in his name.

Barristter07:
One Fact has been established, humans who are believers will live forever on Earth.

Only in your head not from the Holy word of God.

And see the way the deluded shameless boycotted John 1:12-13 & 1 Peter 3

The gift of everlasting life is for those who show Faith in Christ.

We're talking about REBIRTH, ode!

The rebirth is what lead to everlasting life.

Rev 21:4, john 3:8 even proved that God choose who undergo this rebirth, not a matter of being a believer, !

See the way the shameless lying liar keep boycotting that John 1:12-13 & 1 Peter 3

Does John 1:12-13 look like GOD CHOOSES WHO UNDERGO this rebirth?

Lying liar JWs like your father the devil.

This got Interesting: What is born of spirit "IS SPIRIT " means?

And what is born of flesh is flesh?

Who give birth to those who will live forever on earth?

Emphasis on the phrase " Is spirit " . Tell us what you know.

Emphasis on the "BORN OF flesh is flesh"

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In addition:
12 However, to all who did receive him, he gave authority to become God’s children,+ because they were exercising faith in his name.+ 13 And they were born, not from blood or from a fleshly will or from man’s will, but from God. NWT

Who are these verses talking about?

MaxInDHouse:
The term "BORN AGAIN" has different meanings to so many people.

The point is, does the TERM Born Again has different meanings?

But according to Jesus being BORN AGAIN means being born of water and spirit! John 3:5

This is so sweet, are ALL believers not BORN OF WATER and Spirit?

Please can you tell me what you mean by born again?

Born again is the regenerated or rebirth that ANYONE who accepts Christ will experience as John 1:12-13 put it .

12 But to all who believed him and accepted him, he gave the right to become children of God. 13 They are reborn—not with a physical birth resulting from human passion or plan, but a birth that comes from God. NLT

12 However, to all who did receive him, he gave authority to become God’s children,+ because they were exercising faith in his name.+ 13 And they were born, not from blood or from a fleshly will or from man’s will, but from God. NWT

Now, the question is, do you exercise faith in him?

Barristter07:
Therefore being exalted to the right hand of God, and having RECEIVED FROM THE FATHER the promise of the Holy Spirit , He poured out this which you now see and hear Acts 2:33 NKJV

What is this one

I don't really know what your problem is here. Are you now shifting goal post to mean the Lord here is Jesus Christ. That would be hilarious. Your attempt to pin the Spirit at 2Cor 3:17 to holy Spirit has failed , because holy spirit does not have a spirit of its own. Once again, shifting it to Jesus Christ would be hilarious...

If not because you're so dull, what does Trinity entails?

2 Corinthians 3:17 "Lord is the Spirit" the Spirit here is the one in Vs 8

You can hit your dull skull on the wall!