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Janosky:
@ Daniel 10:13, Your Trinity mentors confirmed that Jesus Christ is Archangel Michael in the Geneva Bible since 1599.
That was before your first King James Bible of 1611 came off the press.
What's amusing is the FACT that the Geneva Bible as well as king James Bible were products from the same 16th century Textus Receptus manuscript. Translators of KJV knew about Daniel 10:13 in the Geneva Bible.

Very interesting!

This shows that 1599 Geneva Bible is accurate than your perverted NWT.

1 In [a]the [b]beginning [c]was [d]that Word, and that Word was [e]with God, and that [f]Word was God. John 1:1 Geneva Bible

Footnotes
John 1:1 The Son of God is of one, and the selfsame eternity or everlastingness, and of one and the selfsame essence or nature, with the Father.

Do you think the same translators who made this statement about Christ hold the same view of that Dan 10:13? Definitely you're the conehead one who didn't grab their point.

You'll see the lying liar like his father the Devil jumping from version to version now.

Kobojunkiee:
I am afraid all you are still doing is rambling at this point... again.. Simple!

The simple fact is that you lied that God didn't ask people to deprive themselves food.

Kobojunkiee:
The Law God gave His people in Leviticus 16 states that for one day a year, the people should abstain from food in order to atone for their sins. That Law applied to just those who are of the blood of Jacob.

The main point established @color which means fast = abstinence from food.

Which then put all your previous posts to be a LIE FROM THE PIT OF HELL because your initial claims have been God doesn't want people to STARVE THEMSELVES.

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But let me address this

Over time, the people adopted their own ideas and days of fasting in addition to that which God commanded, and we know it is directly against God's command to add or remove from God's Law. So, logically, for me at least, Isaiah 58 is God's response to the people on this issue, it seems.

The way you keep hammering on that Isaiah 58, one will think you understand what you're saying.

"3 They say, “We fast to show honor to you. Why don’t you see us? We starve our bodies to show honor to you. Why don’t you notice us?” But God says, “You do things to please yourselves on those special DAYS of fasting. And you punish your servants, not your own bodies. 4 You are hungry, but not for food. You are hungry for arguing and fighting, not for bread. You are hungry to hit people with your evil hands. This is not the way to fast if you want your prayers to be heard in heaven! ERV

Comparing the two @underlined statements, you'll see that God isn't against if you chose to fast on that said DAY (Lev 16) or you chose the fasting on any DAY for your own reason because God didn't condemn the DAY they FASTED BUT THE WAY THEY ARE FASTING.

so, what God wants is that, do the right thing when FASTING so that your prayers will be heard in heaven.

Kobojunkiee:
Again... I did not write the Old Covenant Law of Moses... Moses did.

Then does this mean FASTING isn't abstinence from food and people don't deprive their body food after Isaiah 58 was written, which is the basis of our discussion or what is your point here?

Kobojunkiee:

The book of Levitucus contains definition of Laws that are part of the Old Covenant Law of Moses which God Himself declared an agreement between Him, God, and only those of the Blood of Jacob... gentile world were excluded by God Himself from that very agreement.

So how is this AN OLD COVENANT LAW OF MOSES ON FAST according to you?

kobojunkie: 2. The Old Covenant definition of fasting written of in Leviticus 16, is only valid for only one particular day of the year to those who are of the blood of Jacob (and the foreigners who live in the land of canaan with them). Anyone who is of Jesus Christ that seeks to fast refusing God's in Isaiah 58, is deceiving self. undecided

Old Covenant Law of Moses is intellectual dishonesty.

emusan: Nothing like old covenant DEFINITION of fasting, that's intellectual dishonesty.

FASTING ONLY has one meaning which is abstinence from food but wrong attitudes and action can make it becomes starving yourself which is what God addressed in Isaiah 58.

Janosky:
Romans 9:20.
Bros, continue the mockery of your foolishness.

The thing pain am

The lying liar JWs like his father the Devil

Janosky:
Romans 9:20, whom are you to talk back to God when Jehovah shows mercy/compassion on his Servants?
Acts 24:15 & 2 Samuel 7:14-15 go continue to give you sifia painment.

So you know this but still ignorantly claiming people who are not part your demonic organization will be destroyed at Armageddon?

Who told you that Jehovah won't show many people you called religionists mercy/compassion

I know the brain dead JWs will change tune again.

WAILERS & MURMURERS will not enter God's kingdom, 1 Corinthians 10:6-11 dey your Bible?
Acts 24:15 & 2 Samuel 7:14-15, Romans 9:14-15,20 & 1 Corinthians 10:6-11, the WAILING Bros remove am from him Bible.

Liars, idolaters, murderers won't enter God's Kingdom but you claimed RUSSELL and his pagan team are in God's kingdom.

Can you see how deluded you sound and contradictory?

MaxInDHouse:
Go and receive blood nah i send you?

Can you stop people before except your deluded brothers and sisters?

But whether you like it or not food is good for the body!

Sure because the body was made to survive on food but depriving the same body food sometimes is what scripture supported and practiced by many true servants of God.

Kobojunkiee:
so how does this..
.. suggest that Moses wrote Isaiah 58?

because my "intellectual dishonesty" in my post is about Isaiah 58!

Now linking my intellectual dishonesty with OLD COVENANT laws of Moses is what?

achorladey:
See as I completely lost you inside your own very conversation

Just like you did the first time, pick out the lies. You are still unable to


But what has heart and mouth typed here repeatedly

1. Jesus supports idolatry

2. The WISEST KING SOLOMON died a pagan and will enter God's kingdom

3. God shows mercy to whomever he will including PAGANS e.g King Solomon and CELEBRANTS of BIRTHDAYS and Christmas

4. Achorladey already proven his own Jesus does not recognize Matthew 28:20

5. Just like Janosky already prove before me that his Jesus supports Idolatry and those who disregard Matthew 28:20 just like the founding fathers of the organization he belongs.

una see Janosky as him really be: LIENUS LYING like kilode because out of his mouth brings forth................

Contradictory, dubious, liars, lies, mumu, no get sense and of course GIBBERISH that carries wisdom of the world that is foolishness to God of all sorts too many to mention. Feel free to ask Janosky. He will surely supply the rest.

And you will understand the reason for all these blasphemy statements is just to prove that Charles Taze Russell and the early JWs idol worshippers are part of the heavenly ones who will rule with Christ.

Kobojunkie:
Old Covenant Law of Moses is intellectual dishonesty.

Again...

So it's MOSES who wrote Isaiah 58, you see the reason why I said you lost in your own thoughts on this thread.

The fact still remains that God never REDEFINE FAST that's your own twisted word. God only addressed their wrong attitudes.

Fasting still remains one thing which is abstinence from food and that's why Jesus can be in wilderness for 40days without food, likewise John the Baptist and even Apostle Paul and Barnabas.

I can see you couldn't address my question:

Was Jesus going about doing what God said in Isaiah 58 concerning fasting according to your own interpretation of that verse in the wilderness?

Do you then agree that, it means Jesus disobeyed God for not fasting according to instructions on fasting in Isaiah 58?

MaxInDHouse:
Emusan go and continue starving yourself after all dem no born you well to come and stop me from eating my own food!

And this is what you can come up with.

Shame!

Dem born you well to stop people receiving blood

Kobojunkie:
Again... God in Isaiah 58 redefined us what our fasting should be about. If you don't want to believe it, it is your choice to continue fasting the way you choose.

This is the point I'm still knocking into your skull. God in Isaiah 58 didn't REDEFINE fasting but rather address the issue of their wrong ATTITUDE during fasting.

Even after I quoted ERV for you, this shows that it's a deliberate attempt to mislead yourself not what the word of God say.

No I'll continue to fast the way people and Jesus himself did which is abstinence from food.

2. The Old Covenant definition of fasting written of in Leviticus 16, is only valid for only one particular day of the year to those who are of the blood of Jacob (and the foreigners who live in the land of canaan with them). Anyone who is of Jesus Christ that seeks to fast refusing God's in Isaiah 58, is deceiving self.

Nothing like old covenant DEFINITION of fasting, that's intellectual dishonesty.

FASTING ONLY has one meaning which is abstinence from food but wrong attitudes and action can make it becomes starving yourself which is what God addressed in Isaiah 58.

Jesus Christ fasted as a result of being out in the wilderness for 40 straight days.

Just as I asked the other person above, do you think Jesus can't be fed miraculously for that 40days in the wilderness?

This is the evidence that FASTING is abstinence from food but you people just decided to attach your own meaning to it.

There is no record of Him fasting again after that for over 3 years. The Pharisees tagged Him a glutton and a wine bibber for His habits instead. Would Jesus Christ contradict God? Nope, He didn't do any of that, it seems.

So during the 40 days of Jesus Christ in the wilderness, was He doing what God said in Isaiah 58? You can see that you just decided to twist that chapter.

3. When Jesus Christ was on earth, did He not read from the very same scrolls that were translated by the Pharisees and Sadducees, yet His understanding of even that which they supposedly wrote, was it not beyond theirs? Was it not the same scriptures that they used in deceiving the people that Jesus Christ read the Truth of the Prophets out of causing ev3n the very Teachers of the Law to marvel?

Jesus is the wisdom of God, comparing him with yourself is another level of dishonesty.

Even on this thread you don't even know God chose a day for fasting.

Besides, my point about scholars is that they understand how every words were USED and can give their opinions.

Do you?

You don't have to go back to the Hebrew or greek scripts to understand the Word of God. You simply have to do as God commands and He, again, commmands that you start by using the little understanding you have, promising that when you do, more will be given you.

I didn't say you should go back but if you think their opinions should be disragarded then you can do your own translation because if you trust and rely on their translations then their opinions should be matter too.

God said in Jeremiah 31, that unlike the Old Covenant method, in His New Agreement, He alone will Teach those who follow Him about Himself. Jesus Christ repeated this when He declared that He alone is Teacher and Shepherd over His flock. If you don't believe what God said, it's you and if you don't believe what Jesus Christ said, its also you.

You're still confusing yourself, after Isaiah 58 many people still fasted which is ABSTINENCE FROM FOOD, that's the point I'm making here.

No where in the scripture FASTING ever equate to what Isaiah 58 addressed which means you're the one who got the interpretation wrong.

My point again is that FASTING has always be ABSTINENCE FROM FOOD.

achorladey:
That could be has become e fit be sey in the realm of their religion and that e fit be sey has been causing so many confusion that they hardly note due to the level of education and comprehension of grammar. That is the problem the educated literate is facing now.

His same finger, heart and mouth will state in one minute something is not DUBIOUS, LIES, CONTRADICTORY and in the next minute that same thing is DUBIOUS LIES, CONTRADICTORY.

The same Jewish Bible that he wants to use as his salvation has become the the nails being used to pin him.

Well, he must keep looking for strange construct.

You really know him wella

Mr educated literate

Kobojunkie:
The only point I have seen you make is that God did indeed describe a one-day fast, once every years, for the atonement of sins, as part of the Old Covenant laws.

So funny,

My point on this thread is to expose your ignorance that Isaiah 58 isn't about God REDEFINES (as you early stipulated) fasting but from old testament to new testament FASTING has been abstinence from food and many prophets and servants of God did it even after Isaiah 58 was written, which shows your lack of understanding about that chapter.

The rest, is you continuing to repeat what has already been tackled to this point. So...again..

You see it that way but I've provided facts even from your favorite ERV that Isaiah 58 wasn't about God condemning abstinence from food but the people attitudes during that period.

And yes, the opinion of a PhD holder is meaningless where God snd the things of God is concerned.

You're still lost in this.

Recall that the Pharisees and Sadducees were the equivalent of your Phd holders where God's Law was concerned bu a man raised in the wilderness like John was much closer to God and His Truth than they could have ever dreamt of being in many lifetimes.

because of this throw away all your English version and go and translate your own version from Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek before I take you serious.

MaxInDHouse:
You problem is pigheadedness!

While yours is delusions couple with lies and ignorance.

According to the Bible the inspired writers always associate abstinence from food as fasting but in the right sense Jesus never fasted because it's God's Holy Spirit that led him into the wilderness where he was with God until he left and started feeling hungry.

I will continue to expose your lying mouth and dubious attitudes!

@color FASTING never associated with abstinence from food RATHER fasting means abstinence from food. Ole!

Ignorance Jesus never FASTED yet was hungry after staying without FOOD.

Can you see your ignorance in action?

Even according to your demonic organization, there is a purpose people of God stay away from food and it was stated clearly that Jesus FASTED but now you're even contradicting yourself organization, do you think the same God's Holy Spirit can't feed Jesus in the wilderness?

You said Jesus is the God with them that's why they're not fasting, shey?
OK why did God fast o? And to whom was God (Jesus) fasting?

Don't derail the thread, if you want to learn I can help you by opening your own thread on that.

I'm still exposing your lies, wrong accusation and ignorance about FASTING here.

I'm still condemning her stupidity because Jesus never stipulated from what time to what time is fasting,

Can you see your life of lack of stupidity outside?

If Jesus never stipulated from what time to what time is fasting, then why condemning the woman for choosing to fast for 10days?

and for your information that's why the white men refers to the first mill people take in the morning as "BREAK-FAST" because it's considered a fasting from one evening till the next morning that takes almost half a day!

This proves me right once again that FASTING is abstinence from food, which you're trying hard to twist since.

I know with much press on your dull skull, you'll begin to contradict yourself.

You can continue in your delusion after all God's son calls Satan the Devil liar and killer deceiving people with false religions {John 8:44 compare to 2Corinthians 4:4}

Rather Jesus called your father the Devil, father of lies, thief and killer.

and the woman in question is dead as in DEAD now in her stupidity.

Yes she's dead and many people died doing God's will.

But remember your people are dying in their stupidity for refusing blood.

So it's left for intelligent followers to know who is the child of the killer and who is the child of God!

Yes ooo!
because the same followers know how many of your members your father the Devil has killed through refusing blood.

Janosky:
Greek Orthodox Bible Commentary:
"This second theos [b]could be translated divine[/b] ,as the construction indicates a qualitative sense for theos". The word is NOT God IN THE SENSE THAT HE IS THE SAME PERSON MENTIONED in John 1:1a,he is NOT God the Father (God"
Source : An Eastern/Greek Orthodox Bible Commentary ©2009,page 23.

Emusan :
"The point up there is that the WORD ISNT THE SAME PERSON AS THE FATHER"

Emusan LIENUS, FALSEHOOD , anger and bigotry build mansions inside your deluded brain.
Greek Orthodox Bible Commentary says Emusan is unrepentant LIENUS.

I just love the way you're exposing your shameless lying mouth.

I decided to color the main part for you so that you can see your ignorance at work.

Greek Orthodox said "COULD BE" but went with the appropriate translation "and the WORD WAS GOD"

The same Orthodox Bible says "The word is NOT God IN THE SENSE THAT HE IS THE SAME PERSON MENTIONED in John 1:1a,he is NOT God the Father

I'll continue to teach you and your brothers basic English.

This shows that the native speaker shows NWT as false and wrong translation.

Still claiming ITK than the native speakers

Kobojunkie:
1. The law of two or three witnesses is only applied where the words of men are encountered, and not where God's own Word is concerned. For example, you cannot successfully apply the Law of two or three witnesses to the Word of God as is written in the Law of Moses since Moses is the only human witness of the Law.

My point here is cleared, you're just confusing yourself.

We have many scholars who have reviewed each text in the Bible from the original manuscript and gave their opinions.

Even the English version you are using today, are the results of scholars. So you can keep denying their work.

But I'm still on this, provide one scholarly review of Isaiah 58 let's see their opinions.

It's like saying opinion of a PhD holder is useless in a subject matter.

2. Yes, God did declare that we use the understanding we have and that He alone will teach us everything there is to know of Him and the things of God.

But the evidence so far is that you perverted your own understanding of the word of God.

[b]3. On Leviticus 16, I stand corrected. God did command one day in each year as a day for them to starve themselves for the cleansing of sins. I had originally assumed that message was for Aaron and the priesthood, the day of atonement of sins.

4. Still, that does change the fact of what God has done on Isaiah 58, which is define "fasting" for His people. If you believe that which is declared in Isaiah 58 is a lie, then that is between you and your God.

You can see that you have limited knowledge in what you're discussing yet forming KNOW IT ALL.

You're still wrong that God defined "FASTING" in Isaiah 58, fasting has no two meanings but abstinence from food, what God addresses in Isaiah 58 is their ATTITUDES towards FASTING.

How many times will I knocked that into your skull?

Easy-to-read Version

[color=blue]"...But God says, “You do things to please yourselves on those special days of fasting. And you punish your servants, not your own bodies." Isa 58:3b

4 You are hungry, but not for food. You are hungry for arguing and fighting, not for bread. You are hungry to hit people with your evil hands. This is not the way to fast if you want your prayers to be heard in heaven!

This is so cleared that God isn't against FASTING but their activities during FASTING.

5. John was a nazariite, so i can understand Him fasting according to His nazariite vow. Paul and barnabas...we are called to following the examples of Jesus Christ and not that of His disciples.

Hear nonsense talk.
But the evidence is that people fasted after Isaiah 58 was written, are you Jews more than John and Paul?

Jesus Himself fasted!

MaxInDHouse:
Guy you can continue with purposeless ideas of no benefit, right from the time Jesus began his ministry no servant of God starve themselves unnecessarily.

Usual ranting of a deluded JWs.

But they fasted which is abstinence from food.

Which shows that you're a liar and your initial post wasn't fasting unnecessarily but what the woman did was not according to the scripture.

Then John’s disciples came to him and asked: “Why do we and the Pharisees practice fasting but your disciples do not fast?” At this Jesus said to them: “The friends of the bridegroom have no reason to mourn as long as the bridegroom is with them, do they? But days will come when the bridegroom will be taken away from them, and then they will fast" Matthew 9:14-15

Note the highlighted Emusan, before Jesus' time faithful people often practice fasting but after Jesus' life and ministry on earth God's faithful servants do not practice fasting anymore, they only loose their appetite when they're grieving.

Liar! Even after you quoted scripture by yourself, you can still lie so much.

"...and then they will fast"

This is what Jesus said which means you only fast to seek God but right now God is with you here on earth, you don't need that now but when God (Jesus) has been taken away from earth then they (His disciples) will continue to fast

That's why Jesus told John's disciples that his followers will fast during times of grief not turn fasting into a practice.

That's not what the scripture says you this liar.

When Jesus was physically here with them the Christians never for one day practice fasting because Jesus never taught them how to go about it (whether from morning till afternoon or till another day)

It was clear from the verse above that the reason they don't need to fast is because Jesus was here on earth with them and also stated clearly that when the BRIDEGROOM is TAKEN away from them THEY'LL FAST.

At least this makes your first post that condemned the action of the woman as false.

Apostle Paul reminded his brothers this when he asked them to eat instead of allowing their grief to take away their appetite!

Act chapter 27

[33] Now close to daybreak, Paul encouraged them all to take some food, saying: “Today is the 14th day you have been waiting anxiously, and you have gone without taking any food at all. [34] So I encourage you to eat some food; this is in the interests of your safety, for not a hair of the head of any one of you will perish.” [35] After he said this, he took bread, gave thanks to God before them all, broke it, and started eating. [36] So they all took courage and began taking some food themselves.

But this shows that people starved themselves and Apostle Paul did the same.

So why did you condemn the woman for what scripture supported?

If not because I exposed your lying mouth by bringing your own demonic organization stand on this, you won't have changed your lying mouth.

Your initial posit has been that FASTING (abstinence from food) is wrong and we even need to come and learn from your lying mouth in other to understand what Jesus meant on fasting.

Shameless liar like your father the devil!

Kobojunkie:
1. God told you that when It comes to His followers, that He alone is Teacher to all those who belong to Him meaning you do not need to consult the review of scholars, nor the word of others, when it comes to God, and the things of God.

Twisting month, yet you use other people work of translations of the holy Bible.

Anyways, that's not the point here.

I am not a student of scripture but a follower of Jesus Christ and I don't interpret what is written.... God never told any of us to attempt such ridiculousness. He said we should start by using the understanding we have. And in even this case, basic human language comprehension skills will more than do the work.

Your interpretation is wrong just as you don't even know that God did choose a DAY for Israelites to FAST.

If you don't know that is in the word of God, how else do you justify your self alone interpretation?

Truth is established in the mouth of two or three, at least by knowing what difference scholars say about the said chapter you can know who is right.

Jesus Christ put it an easier way to you. If you use the understanding you have, more understanding will be given you. But if you refuse to use the understanding you have, even that which you had will be taken away from you. So, you don't need humans or scholars to teach you of God, let God Himself do that for you.

Where did I say I need human or scholars to teach us of God?

I only asked you about scholarly opinions on the subject matter because truth is established in the mouth of two or three and Jesus agreed to that.

2. Below is from the Easy-to-Read translation of the Bible of what is written in Isaiah 58 vs 1 -5. Pay close attention to what God is saying in each verse.
pay particular attention to what God tells you in verse 5 above. Notice how He even points out that it is "your" days of fasting, not "His day" - "Your" days.

If you search through scripture, even extrabiblical records, there is no report of God giving men a day of fasting, neither did God command men to starve themselves on His behalf.

3. Now, let's take a look at what God says in the other parts of the same chapter. Here, beginning in verse 6, God defines for you what He wants instead for His own day of fasting... this the "fasting" He commands of you.
In Isaiah 58, God who never did command for us a day of fasting defines here for us a different kind of fasting, different from the pagan idea of fasting we were all used to partaking in.

The above @color is enough to show people following this thread that you know nothing on what you're fighting against.

Here is Leviticus 16:29-31 from your favorite Easy-to-Read-Version (ERV)

Leviticus 16:29-31
Easy-to-Read Version
29 “This law will always continue for you: On the tenth day of the seventh month, you must not eat food.[a] You must not do any work. None of the travelers or foreigners living in your land can do any work either. 30 Because on this day, the priest will do this to make you pure and wash away your sins. Then you will be clean to the Lord. 31 You must humble yourselves[b] because this day is a very important day of rest for you. This law will continue forever.

Footnotes
Leviticus 16:29 not eat food Literally, “humble yourselves.”
Leviticus 16:31 humble yourselves This also means that the people were not supposed to eat any food on this day.

It's evident that your self interpretation of that Isaiah was wrong because prophets of God, Jesus Christ, John the Baptist, Apostle Paul & Barnabas e.t.c fasted after Isaiah 58 was written and God didn't rebuke them.

MaxInDHouse:
What is it's purpose!
You said:

I said that to show you that Jesus Himself supported fasting by encouraging us to to FAST.

Which is what you're trying to deny.

So the point isn't what is the purpose of fasting but are we supposed to FAST which is abstinence from food?

The answer is Yes! According to the scripture.

So i told you what JWs are achieving globally and you angrily cancelled it.

You can keep dishing yourself that nonsense because that's not the subject matter here, you're just perambulating like a lost goat.

What i'm telling you is that anything God did not command His worshipers to do will never make any sense.

Are we supposed to fast according to the scripture? Is the point, which your even demonic organization agreed with.

So you can save the rest for your deluded mind.

All you'll keep saying is "people of ancient times starve themselves so we must not cheat them, therefore we too must starve ourselves"

Jesus, Apostle Paul & Barnabas, Coneilus, Early Christians, John the Baptist all fasted.

Do you agree they starved themselves while doing so?

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted is exactly my point!

No! You're just twisting your mouth.

The point here are whether, FASTING is abstainess from food

Do scripture encourage us to fast?

Was it well established from the scripture that People fasted?

[s]So tell the world what exactly have your churches achieved through the hunger strike stuff?
Jehovah's Witnesses has achieved LOVE, JOY and PEACE amongst themselves. They no longer allow Racism and Politics to devastate their gathering, they've settled all racial disputes, they've destroyed all weapons of war in their midst and they've vowed never to lift up weapons against their fellowman!
According to Isaiah 2:2-4 and Micah 4:1-3 that is God's will for Mankind today! John 13:34-35[/s]

Mumbo jumbo as usual!

So tell me one thing others can't meet up but that your so called fasting has helped achieved in your churches! James 2:26

Did people fast in the scripture?

Does God against fasting

Can a Christian fast?

These are the points right now, no time for your delusion.

As attached from your demonic organization above, it's evident that you don't even know your organization stand on the topic, while you're lying against the holy scripture.

Just continue your father the Devil is so proud of you.

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus talked about FASTING just as he talked about sheep, goats, seed, fish and fishers.
So if you don't learn what he meant from us you will continue to starve yourselves in vain and killing yourselves with stomach ulcer.

You can continue to attach your own meaning to the word FASTING but from the scripture the evidence is that fasting is abstained from food and people were recorded to do it.

I believe you know more than Jesus Himself, John the Baptist, Apostle Paul, And other people who fasted as recorded in the scripture.

So they all starved themselves bah

I asked you:
If Jesus didn't intentionally starve himself but was driven by God's Holy Spirit into the wilderness where he spent 40 days and 40 nights without food, and never repeated such again. Can you please explain the reason why they must starve themselves?

So which means as God's Holy spirit directed Jesus to FAST which is by ABSTAINED FROM food, God can also direct people to fast today.

The same reason God has to direct Jesus to wildness is the same reason people fast.

Jesus Himself said, there are certain things we can achieve through PRAYER and FASTING.

And the big point is FASTING is abstainess from food.

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This piece is enough for you from your own demonic organization.

Under what circumstances did some in the Bible fast?
When seeking help and guidance from God. The people journeying to Jerusalem fasted to show their sincerity in asking for God’s help. (Ezra 8:​21-​23) Paul and Barnabas at times chose to fast when appointing congregation elders.​—Acts 14:23.

When focusing on God’s purpose. After his baptism, Jesus fasted for 40 days to prepare himself to do God’s will during his coming ministry.​—Luke 4:​1, 2.

When demonstrating repentance over past sins. Through the prophet Joel, God told unfaithful Israelites: “Return to me with all your hearts, with fasting and weeping and wailing.”​—Joel 2:​12-​15.

When observing the Day of Atonement.
The Law that God gave to the nation of Israel included a command to fast on the annual Day of Atonement. * (Leviticus 16:29-​31) Fasting was appropriate on this occasion because it reminded the Israelites that they were imperfect and needed God’s forgiveness.

What are some improper motives for fasting?
To impress others. Jesus taught that religious fasting should be a personal and private matter between an individual and God.​—Matthew 6:​16-​18.

To prove oneself righteous. Fasting does not make a person morally or spiritually superior.​—Luke 18:​9-​14.

To try to compensate for a deliberate practice of sin. (Isaiah 58:​3, 4) God accepted only fasts that were accompanied by obedience and by heartfelt repentance for any sins committed.

To carry out a religious formality. (Isaiah 58:​5-7) In this respect, God is like a parent who is displeased when his children express love for him merely out of obligation, not from the heart.

Is fasting required for Christians?
No. God required the Israelites to fast on Atonement Day, but he eliminated that observance after Jesus permanently atoned for the sins of repentant people. (Hebrews 9:​24-​26; 1 Peter 3:​18) Christians are not under the Mosaic Law, of which Atonement Day was a part. (Romans 10:4; Colossians 2:​13, 14) Therefore, each Christian may decide for himself whether to fast.​—Romans 14:​1-4.

https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/bible-fasting-christian/

When you don't even listen and learn from your own organization and you're here telling someone to learn from you.

Kobojunkiee:
1) Where in the Bible did God command people to starve themselves on "his day"?

Read my post again!

2) Please post this accusation you claim "they" made against God in Isaiah 58 so we can both see what you claim to see.

It seems you don't understand my post.


‘Why have we fasted,’ they say, ‘and you have not seen it? Why have we humbled ourselves, and you have not noticed?’

“Yet on the day of your fasting, you do as you please and exploit all your workers. Isaiah 58:3

Any good student of the scripture will know that God wasn't against their FASTING but their ATTITUDES during the fasting.

3) Why do you need a "scholar review" of what is written their in human language for your to comprehend using basic human language skills, right there in Isaiah 58? If you do not understand what is written their using the Bible translation you have, get another translation easier for you so you are clear on what is written there.

So funny how you can ask this question but why do you need teacher, Lecturer or why did you go to school at all?

You should be the one who needs this advice because God never condemned fasting rather Jesus was recorded to fast, Apostles were recorded to fast, Jesus Himself said we can't do somethings without prayer and fasting. Which is reason why Jesus Himself appear to Coneilus because he was in prayers and FASTING.

If Fasting is what God didn't welcome then coneilus can't be used.

4) Pay attention to God's message to you in Isaiah 58 and stop trying to shove your own words down God's Truth here. In Isaiah 58, God Himself declares to you the kind of fasting He prefers from you - the kind He even declsred will cause Him to answer you .

I did and you pay attention to your level of English understanding because you're the one who is shoving your own words downs God's truth here.

Even for you to MENTION the word FASTING shows you're confused, the word FASTING itself is abstained from food.

So its evidence that you don't understand what you're saying.

5) You quoted Acts 27 vs 23 as God doing something but nowhere in that verse are you told that God commanded any of what took place there. As a matter of fact, if you considered that verse in the context it was provided you, you would have seen that the men definitely fasted their way out of fear, not God.

Funny enough, what the servant of God did and nowhere God condemned them.

At least you people can't remove that verse from the holy scripture and that's the evidence that people fast even after Isaiah was written, which shows you're the one who is giving wrong interpretation to Isaiah 58.

Or you know more than Jesus Himself, John the Baptis, Apostle Paul, Coneilus e.t.c who fast many years after Isaiah 58 was written

MaxInDHouse:
I didn't say the first century Jewish Christians didn't starve themselves but the fact remains that NOBODY instructed them to do so,

At least we're getting the facts gradually.

Jesus told His disciples that "This thing goeth
not except in prayer and FASTING"

This made the early Christians to fast as recorded in the scripture.

But lying mouth keeps twisting the scripture to suit the agenda of your father the Devil.

that's why you can't explain why you must starve yourself other than saying:
"it's a tradition that people of ancient times do starve themselves and because we don't want to cheat them we also must starve ourselves"

Who made this statement

I've provided evidences from the scripture to show you how the true disciples of our Lord did and how Christ himself encourages FASTING.

They were still practicing what they believed before Jesus came and it was gradually that they began seeing the light more clearer.

See delusion, always stuck in the mentality of seeing LIGHT GRADUALLY/BRIGHTER.

Yet many people were recorded to FAST even after years of Christ departure.

But since it's not your heritage you can't understand what happened.

Yes! It wasn't my heritage to lie and twist the scripture like you do, that's why you can't understand.

For your information they made a lot of mistakes while trying to do many things from their human perspectives.

Usual tactics to twist scripture.

They made A LOT OF MISTAKES yet God didn't bother to correct them.

I know one day, you people will claim openly that Bible contians A LOT OF MISTAKES

The big issue is who instructed them to go on hunger strike?

FASTING is a prescription and God Himself asked people to FAST.

[s]Remember they also tried to eradicate poverty in their midst, something Jesus already told them is impossible.[/s]

Where did you read that from
Besides, didn't you people see their acts of giving and sharing as what worthy to emulate?
So you believe their acts of giving and sharing things among themselves is to eradicate poverty....

There's nothing we won't hear from the agent of Devil.

So my friend it's our heritage if you don't learn from us you'll continue to kill yourselves with hunger strike like that woman whereas nothing tangible will be achieved in your churches!

I know your hypocrite will hold on to this situation to say rubish.

People who have died from fasting can't be compared to the people your organization has killed through rejection of blood.

Hypocrite!

Janosky:
The Orthodox Jewish Bible John 1:1 Emusan posted is in agreement with NWT.
Shame on you Mr LIENUS
" This second theos could be translated divine ,as the construction indicates a qualitative sense for theos". The word is NOT God in the sense that he is the same person mentioned in John 1:1a,he is NOT God the Father (God"
Source : An Eastern/Greek Orthodox Bible Commentary ©2009,page 231.

The Greeks have disgraced Emusan LIENUS.

Just soo shameful that watchtower society has successfully wiped away your brain because only if you can see your daftness by quoting a statement and still didn't understand it.

The point up there is that the WORD ISNT THE SAME PERSON AS THE FATHER

Keep exposing your ignorance and delusion.

Emusan LIENUS, anger and bigotry wound you there.

I know it pains you to marrow but you can't help it because it's how you keep rolling with your father the Devil.

Emusan *1a & Emusan post no2 is the same thing meaning
" the word was a god."
"The word was a god" is divine according to the Greeks & godlike/divine /a god according to the English.
According to the Jews "the word is Not Ha Elohim the God.
All the Jewish Bibles in his posts *1a & *2 proven the accuracy of NWT.
Emusan LIENUS, monumental LIAR disgracing himself upandan.

You're still pained that Orthodox Bible, Complete Jewish Bible and the rest exposed your lying organization.

Now see how is jumping up and down trying to claim he knows more than the native speakers of Greek simply because the natives speakers say you and your demonic organization are liars.

Janosky:
◄ 1 John 5:7 ►

* New International Version
For there are three that testify:

* New Living Translation
So we have these three witnesses—

* English Standard Version
For there are three that testify:

* Berean Study Bible
For there are three that testify:

* Berean Literal Bible
For there are three bearing testimony:

King James Bible ( Textus Receptus copy)
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

New King James Version (Textus Receptus copy)
For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.

* New American Standard Bible
For there are three that testify:

* NASB 1995
For there are three that testify:

* NASB 1977
And it is the Spirit who bears witness, because the Spirit is the truth.

* Amplified Bible
For there are three witnesses:

* Christian Standard Bible
For there are three that testify:

* Holman Christian Standard Bible
For there are three that testify:

* American Standard Version
And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is the truth.

* Aramaic Bible in Plain English
And The Spirit testifies because The Spirit is the truth.

* Contemporary English Version
In fact, there are three who tell about it.

Douay-Rheims Bible (Textus Receptus copy)
And there are three who give testimony in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost. And these three are one.

* English Revised Version
And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is the truth.

* Good News Translation
There are three witnesses:

* GOD'S WORD® Translation
There are three witnesses:

* International Standard Version
For there are three witnesses —

Literal Standard Version (Textus Receptus copy)
because [there] are three who are testifying [[in Heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one;

* NET Bible
For there are three that testify,

* New Heart English Bible
For there are three who testify:

* Weymouth New Testament
For there are three that give testimony-- the Spirit, the water, and the blood;

*;World English Bible
For there are three who testify"

----_------------------------------

A fraud is what it is- a fraud.
Who has reviewed their Bible Translations by addition of your Johannine Comma FRAUD?

Emusan is a LIENUS

I love the way you're being restless when your fraudulent organization is exposed.

The truth is Orthodox Bible, the scriptures, Complete Jewish Bible e.t.c prove NWT to be wrong translation.

JaNosense the lying liar JWs like his father the Devil.

Kobojunkie:
1.Actually, God condemned their starving of their bodies. This wasn't simply a condemning of attitudes but a pointing out of what is wrong of their way and what He, God will instead bless.

Lies, God didn't condemn their STARVING which means you didn't even understand what you read from that chapter.

They raised accusation on God for DEPRIVING themselves food on God's day which is what God Himself tells people to do.

But God let them know that their FASTING IS JUST STARVING THEIR BODY by failing to do the NORMAL THINGS DURING that period.

Can you provide any Scholar review on this chapter?

2. The meaning of "fasting" is given to you there in Isaiah 58 beginning from verse 6 through 14. God redefines the term and tells you exactly what it should mean to you instead.

It's not, fasting remains ABSTINENCE FROM FOOD you can proof me wrong with any reputable dictionary.

3. You are not called to doing as the prophets did but as God commands.

But the same God through Christ commandment us to FAST AND PRAY....So which God are you talking about here?

Acts 27:33 "And while the day was coming on, Paul besought THEM all to take MEAT (GREEK - trophe), saying, This day is the fourteenth day that ye have TARRIED and CONTINUED FASTING, having taking NOTHING"

This particular verse says it all and shows those who are enemies of the word of God.

MaxInDHouse:
[s]Jesus said so many things in PARABLES so His listeners knows the spiritual meaning of his utterances.

For instance Jesus called people

Sheep! John 10:1-10
Wolves! Matthew 10:16
Little dogs! Matthew 15:26

He referred to new converts as "fish" Matthew 4:19

I'm sure no sane person will start arguing blindly over the definition of sheep, wolves, little dogs or fish after getting the sense of Jesus' illustration.[/s]

Nonsense and ingredients.

So instead of agitating after reading my post why not refute what i said with logical reasoning?

Your post has no logical idea that warrants a logical reasoning of reply.

Fasting in the scripture is abstinence from food.

Only a brainwashed and enemies of the true word of God will have contrary opinions.

Here are evidences from the scripture:

Acts 10:30 "And Cornelius said, FOUR DAYS ago I was FASTING until THIS HOUR; and at the ninth hour I PRAYED in MY HOUSE...."

Acts 14:23 "And when they had ordained them elders in every church, and PRAYED WITH FASTING, they commended to the Lord, on whom they believed."

In fact this very one puts your lying mouth in shame:

Acts 27:33 "And while the day was coming on, Paul besought THEM all to take MEAT (GREEK - trophe), saying, This day is the fourteenth day that ye have TARRIED and CONTINUED FASTING, having taking NOTHING"

The Greek word "Trophe" translated as MEAT above means Nourishment (literally or figuratively); by implication, rations (wages) :- food, meat

This same word was used for John the Baptist as "his MEAT (Trophe) was locust and wild honey"

It's evident from the scripture that Jesus never preach your lies rather encourages us to FAST (abstinence from food) and pray.

MaxInDHouse:
You must BEG for it or go and practice what you know, after all the topic is self explanatory!

Just imagine the deluded!

Begging for your delusions and twisted scripture is like saying Jesus will bow to Satan.

Is it not the same delusions you put up there?

My question is this again, what is the meaning of the word FASTING as being used in the scripture?

I'm waiting for the answer

[quote author=Janosky post=101297478[b]According to Emusan:
"THE WORD WAS WITH GOD which means the person of the word is different from the person of the God, the word was with."[/quote]Just look at this lying liar JaNosense the son of his father the Devil.

It's now according to Emusan, but was it Emusan who transliterated Complete Jewish Bible, Orthodox Bible?

The God of John 1:1 is NOT the word (a god) of John 1:1.
THE WORD WAS WITH GOD is a reference to godlike nature/ essence of the word.
* A god, godlike: (in Screenshot)
"Resembling or having the qualities of God or a god.[/b]

Now you're trying to prove you know Greek and Hebrews more than the NATIVES yet you're telling someone up there he can't know IGBO/Ijaw more than the natives.

Can you see how hypocrisy is ruining your demented life?

The Orthodox Jewish Bible, the Jubilee Bible, Complete Jewish Bible, the Scriptures (a Jewish Bible too) proven NWT Bible rendition of the Greek text of John 1:1 is super accurate.

Yet none Orthodox Bible, The Jubilee Bible, Complete Jewish Bible, The scriptures (a Jewish Bible too) didn't have "and the word was a god"

Can you see the reason why your lying father the Devil always proud of you?

Let's take note of these facts in Emusan 2 posts..
1. Mr LIENUS is a monumental LIAR in post no 1.

You forgot you're the lying liar here.

2. All the Jewish Bibles disgraced Emusan LIENUS & proven NWT @ John 1:1 is super accurate.

But ALL THE JEWISH BIBLES say [b]"...and the word was God"

Can you see your life outside?

3. Emusan post no 2 further proven NWT is accurate.

because the translators of NWT are natives of Greek and Hebrews.

Oponu radarada!

4. In post now, Emusan thoroughly exposed his LIENUS with monumental disgrace.
5. Emusan LIENUS DECEIVING himself, LYING like the Devil. [/b]

JaNosense you'll never have sense!

The lying liar like your father the Devil.

Kobojunkie:
1. What did God do in regards to "fasting" in Isaiah 58.

God addressed the wrong ATTITUDES of people towards FASTING and not CONDEMNED fasting itself.

2. Words can have many meanings applied to them. That should not be rocket science now, should it?

Then give us the meaning of FASTING as being used in the scripture. Let's see whether there's two meanings to it.

3. I suggest you pay close attention cause beginning in verse 6 of Isaiah 58, God goes on to tell you what He wants for you to do instead on your days of Fasting .I.e. God re-defined fasting for those who are His followers.

Yet God's prophets still FAST by starving themselves after Isaiah was written.

So do you agree they disobeyed God?