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CAPTIVATOR:
No . Now I know you don't know shi in the scriptures

Where in the scripture this statement appeared, that Jesus bears the Image of anyone?

CAPTIVATOR:
This emotional outburst ain't neccesary.

Only JWs see emotional burst but never see themselves being emotional.

None are prophecies. " MAY" is not prophetic.

See another lie from the son of the father of lies.

I challenge you to provide where watchtower used MAY in their prophesies.

Besides, how can anyone under the guidance of the Holy Spirit be using MAY?

How many MAY did John use in revelation?

" It is right to hate the wrong committed by the disfellowshiped one, but it is not right to hate the person nor is it right to treat such ones in an inhumane way. " W74, 8/1 p.467

If anyone hate the person or treat in an inhumane way, it's that person you should held liable

See hypocrite!

Why then most disfellowsip people got disowned by their people?

Bow the blame is on the people not the organization that sets the rule.

Humility to change when a person err, is a sign of God's guidance bro

NASB 1977
" But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good; " 1The 5:21

It's good as you agree that they ERRED, now it means those doctrines aren't directly taught by Christ or Holy Spirit.

So what is the fate of those who died in those wrong teaching?

True worshippers will worship the Father. (John 4:23) Not Trinity.

Only them worship the Father as he should.

"And you should honour the Son JUST AS you honour the Father"

Do you honour the Father through worship?

Satan own the government seat.

Luke 4:5,6

The devil led him up to a high place and showed him in an instant all the kingdoms of the world. And he said to him, "I will give you all their authority and splendor; it has been given to me, and I can give it to anyone I want to. (NIV)

Jesus rejected it. We do too

I didn't see government seat in that verse, that means it's just your delusional idea.

If Satan owns the government seat and scripture admonishes us to submit to the governing authority, are you saying scripture is telling us to submit to Satan?

Romans 13:1-7
Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God. Therefore whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves.

Scripture is clear, it is God who ESTABLISHED ALL AUTHORITIES, how are you to claim Satan owns government

haddeylium:
1 Cor. 13:8

This is the verse

ERV: Love will never end. But all those gifts will come to an end—even the gift of prophecy, the gift of speaking in different kinds of languages, and the gift of knowledge.

Do you still have the gift of knowledge today?

haddeylium:
Jack,
Do you know see why I said you should speak to one of us.
Jehovah's witnesses never claimed to be an inspired prophet.
We're just following Jesus' counsel to 'keep on the watch' for his presence (Matt 24: 42).

The fact that, you can openly say the @red part shows you're of your father the Devil because he's a liar from beginning and the father of it.

If Jehovah witness never claimed to be an inspired prophet, what is the meaning of these statements in your publications?

“Under the guidance of his holy spirit and on the basis of his Word of truth, Jehovah provides what is needed so that all of God's people may be "fitly united in the same mind and in the same line of thought" Kingdom Ministry Sep 2007 p.3 US Edition

"We will also increase our joy if we prayerfully and diligently study God's spirit - inspired Word and Christian publications prepared under the spirit's guidance." Watchtower 1992 Mar 15 pp.21-22

"When the time comes to clarify a spiritual matter in our day, holy spirit helps responsible representatives of the faithful and discreet slave at world headquarters to discern deep truths that were not previously understood. (Matt. 24:45; 1 Cor. 2:13) The Governing Body as a whole considers adjusted explanations. (Acts 15:6) What they learn, they publish for the benefit of all." Watchtower 2010 Jul 15 pp.22-23

Let me stop here.

So who is a prophet?

a person who speaks for God or a deity, or by divine inspiration.

Says the https://www.dictionary.com/browse/prophet

So, is watchtower claimed to be INSPIRED PROPHET or not?

Official Journal of Jehovah's witnesses
“We have not the gift of prophecy.” (January 1883, page 425). Check the picture I attached sir

Most people don't really know who a prophet is.
Usually, people associate prophesy with foretelling future event.

Check all these citations from your publication.

"Third, holy spirit is at work in bringing Bible truths to light." Watchtower 2010 Apr 15 p.10 Holy Spirits Role in the Outworking of Jehovahs Purpose

"Consider, too, the fact that Jehovah's organization alone, in all the earth, is directed by God's holy spirit or active force. (Zech. 4:6) Only this organization functions for Jehovah's purpose and to his praise. To it alone God's Sacred Word, the Bible, is not a sealed book. Many persons of the world are very intelligent, capable of understanding complex matters. They can read the Holy Scriptures, but they cannot understand their deep meaning. Yet God's people can comprehend such spiritual things. Why? Not because of special intelligence on their part, but as the apostle Paul declared: "For it is to us God has revealed them through his spirit, for the spirit searches into all things, even the deep things of God."" Watchtower 1973 Jul 1 p.402

If you've encountered Jws ,Our believe is that miraculous gifts, including the gift of prophecy, dissappeared after the days of the apostles

And where does this written in the scripture?

Then, How does watchtower chose a replacement for the dead governor's body members? If miraculous gifts have disappeared.

What we do is to understand the Bible prophesies about our times in preparing for the Lord's coming . That's not prophesy itself because we don't bring about a new one.

Prophecy isn't ONLY about bringing A NEW MESSAGE

Truly, some people with scores to grind with Jws will tell you differently.
Know this today, There's no one prophesying among Jehovah's witnesses.

Sure, there is no one prophesying among you because there is no spirit of God in your hall.

We Just try to understand and research the Bible chronology of
the already existing prophesies in the Bible.

That means watchtower is using human knowledge and understanding, but what about the numerous claim that it was the Holy Spirit who is guiding the Governor's body?

If you want I can show you some of our understanding of the Bible prophesies which seems to be extremely accurate or you call aswell visit Jw.org

Will you also care to show us the numerous inspiration claim of many failed prophecies

reubenobi:
So, to you " one of the chief prince" is Jesus? You guys are so disgusting!

The same people will tell you that, Jesus is the ONLY ONE DIRECTLY CREATED by Jehovah.

Yet to them Jesus is ONE OF THE CHIEF PRINCE.

You'll begin to wonder, how they pass their English exam in school.

shadeyinka:
Because they chose themselves.
Since as you claim, "all spiritual gifts and miracles have ceased": by what mechanism did Christ CALL them?

If you can only do justice to this: I repeat,

How did Jesus Christ choose these eight old men constituting your Governing Body?

You'll wait tire to get answer to that question.

Janosky:
Bros, why you dey DECEIVE yourself?

What about you? You're destroying your soul...

Isaiah 6:8 Then I heard the voice of Jehovah saying: “Whom shall I send, and who will go for us?” And I said: “Here I am! Send me!”

Isaiah 6:8 is missing in your Bible?
Is Isaiah among the "us"?

If you don't lack basic English, you'd have seen this without exposing your ignorance.

Lemme break it down for you because I know, you're a toddler.

The writer: speaks in first person pronoun "I" i.e "Then I heard the voice of Jehovah saying..."

The writer switches to first person pronoun which means Jehovah is the ONE SPEAKING NOW.

Jehovah: Who shall I (Jehovah) send and who will go for US (Jehovah)?

This is a question, that needs answer!

And guess who answered it! The same Jehovah Himself because Jehovah continues to speak in the same first person pronoun.

"And I said, here I am! Send me"

If the entity speaking is totally different from the speaker then it will be a grammatical gaganrium for the speaker to continue speaking in first person pronoun.

[s]1 Thess 4:16 , John 5:26-28, whose voice will resurrect the dead ?

2 Thess1:7-9, Matthew 25:31, Hebrew 1:4-5, Daniel 10:13 who leads other sons of God ?[/s]

Wesley Commentary & Geneva Bible Commentary na your 3 idol spirits devotees brethren write am

Hypocrite!

Do you agree with the same Wesley commentary & Geneva Bible Commentary on John 1:1, Heb 1, John 1:3, Rev 3:14?

Barristter07:
"Don't you know that everything that goes into the mouth passes into the stomach and then is expelled as waste? " Matt 15:17 ISV

Unless Jesus is not a man but materialized Spirit . This won't apply

Can you realize how foolish you are now?

"EVERYTHING THAT GOES INTO THE MOUTH"

So when those spirit beings ATE, it didn't go through their MOUTH but through their ANUS.

Keep on exposing your ignorance.

Again, Luke 24:39 is still nailing your lying doctrine to hell.

Barristter07:
Arch angel appeared in that verse not plural . I meant to place an ( 's )

I go with what appeared in the scripture.

because it appears then it means Jesus is Angel

But The Trump of God appears, to your hypocrisy, it doesn't mean Christ is God.

The Lord comes with that VOICE !!!

That's the Voice that raise the Dead.

"WITH" not "FROM HIM" which means the voice doesn't belong to Him yet "The way the Lord COMES WITH trump of God" and doesn't make him God to you"

Oponu oniro radarada.

Barristter07:
Does it mean beginning ? Yes.

And when the Father is said to be The Beginning, beginning of what?

Originator/Source cannot be given Children . !!!

Does it mean Originator /Source? Yes!

You'll receive sense the day you know when scripture is talking about preincarnation and postincarnation of Jesus.

Barristter07:
[s]Verse ' the gave him a fish and he ATE ' 42,43 .

An healthy human eat and defecate.[/s]

Luke 24:39

Only materialized Spirits are spoken of as eating in scriptures without defecating

Can you show me where someone was said to defecate in the scripture?

Lying liar JWs like your father the Devil.

Barristter07:
Originator or source cannot be given Children, he owns them . The correct rendering is "Beginning ". Jesus was CREATED.

You want to boycott this and I won't allow that.

It calls for serious concern because a SEC claiming something and was disproved by the true Christian.

So, the question still remains:

Who is right?

1. Oriental SEC who claim Jesus is one of the Aeones and created, Or
2. The inspire Apostle John who countered that claim that Jesus is God

Says the deluded JWs.

Does the Greek word "Ache" mean Originator, Source?

Barristter07:
But he will give the commanding call that will raise the Dead , with whose voice ? Something is wrong with you o

As something is wrong with your dull skull.

Here is your claim

Oponu, can you see how you're implicating yourself,

"Arch ANGELS (plural) voice, so all Angels are Christ."

Lying liar JWs like your father the Devil.

I'm still waiting for the place where it is said that it was the VOICE of Angel that Christ issue COMMAND.

Barristter07:
[s]He ate in that same chapter, a healthy human must defecate, are you subjecting Christ to such ?[/s]

Luke 24:39

Barristter07:
So because Demons believe in God and I do, it calls for serious concern. You reason so down when you saw your errrors are exposed.

It calls for serious concern because a SEC claiming something and was disproved by the true Christian.

So, the question still remains:

Who is right?

1. Oriental SEC who claim Jesus is one of the Aeones and created, Or

2. The inspire Apostle John who countered that claim that Jesus is God

My post is still up there . It's left to you , or are you scared you can't refute that explanation of Revelation 3:14 ?

Your post is nonsensical and meaningless because even a baby Bible student knows that the Greek word "Ache" rendered as beginning meanings "Originator, Source e.t.c"

About your claim that Jesus was given children has been dealt with seriously here so no need of repeating nonsense.

Barristter07:
" For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, [/b] and the dead in Christ will rise first. [/b] "

The Dead will hear the Arch Angels voice ?

Oponu, can you see how you're implicating yourself,

Arch ANGELS (plural) voice, so all Angels are Christ.

Besides, stop twisting that verse, it's not the voice of Angel that'll raise the Dead, Christ Himself said, He will come WITH ALL HOLY ANGELS including Michael.

Barristter07:
What does the Bible say ?

Go back and read my Comment on Revelation 3:14. I have no business with any Oriental sect.

You don't have business but both the Oriental SEC (who are not part of early Christians) and your claim doctrine are the same, so this calls for a serious concern.

"Your comment" Who dash you? Until you support your comment with a reputable scholars commentaries.

You can't escape this.

So it's either John is right that "The Word was God" or the heretics known as Oriental Sec who held the doctrine like your demonic organization today, The Oriental SEC "held that the λόγος Logos or "Word" was one of the "Aeones" that had been created, and that this one had been united to the man Jesus." is right.

Barristter07:
Exodus 33:20

Luke 24:39

Barristter07:
Not only Trump, Biden of God too.

Do well to answer the question I asked you. A voice is a part of you, Trumpet is not. Whose Voice will raise the Dead ?

So The Trump of God is no long part of it.... see delusion!

The voice of the Son of God will raise the dead

Can you show us where the voice of ANOTHER BEING was said to raise the dead?

Barristter07:
Apart from the Fact that he himself confirmed he was Created ( Rev 3:14 , *some heretics here change beginning to ruler or source, but they are all scammers, Source or ruler of God's creation won't need to be given Children. Cos automatically he own them )

The English man attribute the capital " G" to the Supreme being or someone representing him, so where some Angels get the capital G, it doesn't mean they are Supreme but they are at that moment representing the supreme God. The supreme being doesn't have a GOD , So therefore Jesus deserves " a god " . He has a God.

See how the hypocrite stylishly boycotted my point.

Here is it again.

So it's either John is right that The Word was God or the heretics known as Oriental Sec who held the doctrine like your demonic organization today, The Oriental SEC "held that the λόγος Logos or "Word" was one of the "Aeones" that had been created, and that this one had been united to the man Jesus." is right.

Do you say, this ORIENTAL SEC are right and the Christians (in which John was part of) who considered them as SEC are wrong?

because if Jesus was one of the Aeones and had been created then, the Oriental SEC are correct.

The fact is, John wrote that "The word was God" to prove the oriental sec wrong.

The Oriental SEC of today are JWs and they'll always be wrong.

Barristter07:
He would have died if what you said is right. No human can see God's face and live. Just accept He have a God.

Says the deluded JWs!

Jesus is in heaven, alive forevermore and human.

Janosky:
I had challenged you to post the screenshots of John Calvin's Daniel 10:13 Commentary alongside your other fellow 3 dogheads believers who confirmed the falsity of your claims, you just jakpa like Usain Bolt
Biblestudytools Commentary screenshot on Daniel 10:13 is here for you (even though they lied about "uncreated angel", go wear your goggles and STUDY am

See the lying liar JWs like your father the Devil

So John Calvin's on Daniel 10:13 has now replaced John 20:28 which is "...That Jesus is the Son of God, and by believing in him His name,...."

And since you agreed with Calvin that Jesus is Michael then you should agree with him that Jesus is God because that is what he said on John 1:1

I know your hypocrisy won't allow you to agree, just as your demonic organization cherry-picked the word of God.

Janosky:
believe that Jesus is God you would be saved?
Orishirishi salvation

As believe that Jesus is Archangel Michael you would be saved....potopoto salvation

John 20:31 and Revelation 3:12 & 21.
Mr LIENUS says it's dubious claim he has removed from the pages of his own Bible

The deluded JWs Janosense the lying liar JWs like his father the Devil has removed John 1:1, Heb 1, 1 John 1:2, Micah 5:2, Revelation 2:23, 1 John 5:7 from demonic translation.

Janosky:
God spoke " let there be light & light came to be,
God spoke "the Word" & a spiritual being came to exist ,(just as light came to exist ).

Where was it written in your demonic translation, that God spoke The Word and A SPIRITUAL BEING came to exist?

It's evident that Mr Janosense knows the truth but decided to be following the 8 fool men.

1 Corinthians 8:5 and John 10:34-36. Rev 3:12, Jesus use him mouth confirm himself is a god (created by the Father ) whether in heaven or earth.

I check ALL THESE scriptures yet I can't see where Jesus Christ HIMSELF CONFIRMED THAT He is "A god" but this is coming from the lying liar JWs the son of his father the Devil.

Continue DECEIVING yourself

While you'll continue to be your dear father the Devil's son.

Janosky:
I have neighbors who are physically challenged & is a pastor/deacon in a "miracle working, healing Church."
Bros, charity begins at home.

Why Jesus didn't save Judas despite working with him for years?

Just as I have a neighbor who are Jehovah witnesses, who fornicate and hate his fellow non JWs neighbors.

Biodun556:
If it is by faith, we should not have any disabled left.

So you are now God who knows those who have faith

DappaD:
Your salvation depends on you acknowledging those “8 old men”. Matthew 25:34-40
You go dey there think say na play.

The 8 old fool men are not saved themselves without any salvation not to talk of depending on them.

"Jesus performed many other signs in the presence of his disciples, which are not recorded in this book. 31 But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name." John 20

This is where salvation lies not with your 8 old fool men.

Okay. You’re just making spurious claims with no scriptural basis and you want someone to validate them for you? Miss me with that.
Simple question—who was Jesus referring to at Revelation 3:12 as “My God”?

While you're making dubious claim that can't be found in the scripture. Do you exist, talkless of missing you with anything?

The Father and it's simply because Jesus is still Human and under His mission.

You can refer back to that 1 Corinthian 15:28 on that.

Janosky:
The essence of John introducing Christ as a god or divine is the same reason John 10:34-36 and 1 Corinthians 8:5 is in your Bible .
Greek Theos also means a god.

See the lying liar JWs like his father the Devil, if you like you can keep cancelling that, it won't change who you are and the person of your father the Devil.

He couldn't answer it but exposing his delusion the more.

If Greek Throw ALSO means "a god", does that means Theos must ALWAYS be translated as "A GOD"

Greek John 14:1, John 1:1, John 20:17, John 17:3 , ho theos (g3588 g2316, the God) is NOT Jesus Christ .I challenge you to disprove this .
The first sentence in 1 Corinthians 8:7 says Mr LIENUS can NOT understand this.

Mr Janosense is beating about the bush is usual.

But "The God" Ho Theos is Devil your father

John 17:3 and John 20:17, in your Bible, who is "the ONLY ONE GOD "?

Three persons of the Trinity.

[

[s]b]Bros, In your statements *1, *2 & *3, is a repeat of Bingbagbo/Presciousgirl GIBBERISH ,your fellow 3 dogheads believers. LYING dullards like Mr LIENUS. (See their GIBBERISH in screenshots , repeated in your statements *1, *2 & *3).

Mr LIENUS, [/b][/s]

Provide me where the Trinitarian claimed that the person of the Son is the same with the person of the Father.

Lying liar JWs like your father the Devil.

DappaD:
Emusan’s conscience has been thoroughly beaten.

Says the deluded JWs who has sold his conscience to those 8 old fool men.

It’s usually he and his bandwagon of trinitarians who claim that Jesus split into two from his Father and sent one part of himself to the earth[basis not found in the scriptures]

This is because you lack indepth of the Word of God and refused to learn simply because your dull brain is left in the hands of those 8 men.

Facts from the scripture!
1. God is unlimited and His ways are unsearchable.

Then if God is unlimited and His ways are unsearchable, who are you to claim you God can't split Himself? Even though that's not what Trinity is all about but just from your dark understand of what Trinity entails just as your demonic organization always misrepresents the teaching of Trinity.

2. Only God is Eternal
Yet from scripture we read that

Holy Spirit is eternal
The Word (Jesus) is eternal.

Lastly, you won't receive sense until the day you'll be able to differentiate between when scripture is talking about preincarnation of Jesus Christ and when He became part of creation.

But how come Revelation 1:1 & 3:12,21 is now saying something different? So after ascension, why did Jesus did not merge back into his Father?
Why was he still was calling somebody
“My God, My God” @Rev 3:12 if he himself is God biko?

Even though you mumu people always chrerrypick 1 Corinthians 15 but vs 28 says "When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all."

The @underlined is the food for your consumption.

And you can sneak into some Biblical expositories to understand that verse the more.

Barristter07:
" a god " is not a wrong translation of Theo's. Fact!

For anyone who have a God, they are a god.

Didn't Jesus have A God in heaven ?

Imagine, but John 1:1 is wrong for a god because that was the issue the Heretics were propagating before John wrote his gospel.

So it's either John is right that The Word was God or the heretics known as Oriental Sec who held the doctrine like your demonic organization today, The Oriental SEC "held that the λόγος Logos or "Word" was one of the "Aeones" that had been created, and that this one had been united to the man Jesus." is right.

But both can't be right!

Barristter07:
He provided scriptural evidences.
1Thesalonians 4:16 , Whose Voice will raise the Dead ?

Says the deluded JWs!
1 Thessalonians 4:16, who will come with Trump of God?

Janosky:
Daniel 10:1,13 Jesus Christ is Michael the archangel (leader of angels,2 Thess1:7-9. Matthew 25:31 .). who fights for Jehovah's people.
(The scriptural truth which many bible Scholars who are 3 idol spirits devotees have confirmed .
)
STOP DECEIVING yourself ;

Michael the archangel appointed to resurrect the dead ,1 Thess 4:16, John 5:26-28 .

Matthew 11:27 = Matthew 27:43,46 & John 20:17 Emus Mumu +LIENUS, continue shouting upandan to reject the words of Jesus Christ

See the lying liar JWs like your father the Devil rejecting the word of God and following the word of men talking nonsense as usual.

Is it today you've been providing screenshot which eventually shows your lying mouth and exposed your dubious cherry-picked text as your demonic organization does?

You said MANY SCHOLARS but you can only present TWO from your MANY, you see the reason your father the Devil won't be proud of you? because you don't represent him well. If you want to lie, lie unimaginable lies so that your father the Devil can be so proud of you.

Lastly, the lying liar JWs can't provide where scripture emphatically called Christ Jesus the Angel Michael but he has to use the same people who he classified as idol worshippers as witnesses.

so pathetic for the follower of the 8 men man made gods.