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DappaD:
I've told you times without number that you must consider how other scriptures define something similar so that the understanding can become clearer.

Normal way of lying liar JWs!

Do you also consider how others scriptures define something similar?

Hypocrite!!!

For instance, @Exodus 3:8, Jehovah said:
“I will go down and rescue Israel from Egypt”

But after God said these words, the record show that Jehovah sent his angelic representative and Moses to carry out this task. Exodus 3:10, 14:19, 23:20

Jehovah even told Moses that they needed to listen to the voice of that angel because his name and spirit was upon him! Exodus 23:22

What does this prove? It proves that Jesus when he was on earth, never said he was God but that he came in the name of his Father. Matthew 23:39, Psalm 118:26
And that Jehovah's holy spirit was upon him. Isaiah 61:1, Luke 4:18

So whenever you see the words: “I am coming”—just know that those words originate from Jehovah(Revelation 22:12-13) but it's Jesus whom he sends to basically act on those orders that Jesus receives from his Father and God, Jehovah since according to him he cannot do a single thing on his own and he needs a go-ahead before he can do anything. Matthew 28:18, John 8:28, Revelation 19:11-15

This is direct word of Jesus to John in Revelation 1

[b]10 On the Lord’s day the Spirit took control of me, and behind me I heard a loud voice that sounded like a trumpet. 11 The voice said, “Write in a book what you see. Then send it to the seven churches in Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea.”

12 When I turned to see who was speaking to me, I saw seven gold lampstands. 13 There with the lampstands was someone who seemed to be the Son of Man. He was wearing a robe that reached down to his feet, and a gold cloth was wrapped around his chest. 14 His head and his hair were white as wool or snow, and his eyes looked like flames of fire. 15 His feet were glowing like bronze being heated in a furnace, and his voice sounded like the roar of a waterfall. 16 He held seven stars in his right hand, and a sharp double-edged sword was coming from his mouth. His face was shining as bright as the sun at noon.

17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet like a dead person. But he put his right hand on me and said: Don’t be afraid! I am the first, the last,18 and the living one. I died, but now I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys to death and the world of the dead.[/b] Rev 1:10-18 CEV

And if you actually follow your own advice above, then you'd have seen that Jesus here is making affirmative claim that only God can utter.

1. The first and the last (which is the meaning of Alpha and Omega)

2. The Living One - Only God is the living One.

MaxInDHouse:
That's why Jesus (Michael) is the Alfa and Omega but JEHOVAH is the Almighty Sir who has no beginning nor end!

May you have PEACE!

How come you agreed that Jesus is Alpha and Omega but your brothers seem to disagree?

But Jehovah is also Alpha and Omega!

And the meaning of Alpha and Omega is "THE BEGINNING AND THE END"

Truly you people can twist anything just to suit your demonic doctrines.

We're very familiar with some of the events recorded about Jesus Christ the Saviour but I've noticed that people don't really pay attention to this particular one.

There were occasions in Scripture when Jesus wept and lamented. It seems logical to ask ourselves then, why did the saviour of the world weep and lament?

achorladey:
You see your COULD. Stephen can't relate with with the ONE he cannot see. Na so speculation and assumptions dey start

Just imagine different delusions in one post.

1. Stephen's eyes were open to see Jehovah and Jesus standing by the right hand of side of God's throne {Act 7:55-56}

2. surely between the two persons he was seeing

3. Stephen COULD relate with the person he knew face to face than the one no man can see! Exodus 33:20 "When he already said: "Stephen's eyes were opened to see JEHOVAH" yet the deluded JWs still goes further to cite a scripture claiming "THE ONE NO MAN CAN SEE"

We can say Stephen is a SPIRIT THEN

4. Stephen knew for sure that the power or energy for all the dead to return back to life (spirit) has been given to Jesus, so he spoke directly to Jesus.

When you realize that prayer is about talking to a being higher than one.

5. But regarding prayer Jesus taught them to pray to his father who is their father and his God who is their God JEHOVAH! John 20:17

When everything has already been handed to Jesus...

Barristter07:
The enemy camp is in shambles

Emusan saying one thing, livingchrist saying another . O ma se o

All men are flesh and blood . In short , no human can see God.

That's why I will continue to say you lack simple comprehension.

Flesh and blood refer to sinful/frail nature of man.

Or you want to deny that the term "flesh and blood" wasn't used for sinful/frail man.

So we're saying the same thing, when this flesh and blood is taking over by the Spirit of God then man experiences real spiritual things.

That's why you keep reading something like "I was in the SPIRIT"; "The spirit of God carried me" from many Biblical people before they relate spiritual things we have in the Bible.

None of them achieve it through sinful/frail nature.

Barristter07:
Even after Jesus told you no man has seen him at ANYTIME

God is a liar right ?

Was Jesus talking about God's face or God as a whole.
Remember you provided a scripture where MOSES saw God

Go back and read Jesus statement very well to understand His point..
clown.

Barristter07:
Silly liar , a direct question was asked, he said previous post .

So where from my answer you saw "ONLY A GLORIFIED HUMANS"

you can see how you keep lying for your god


Tueh...

Didn't Moses have the same Spirit even in larger quantity ?

" Thus the Lord used to speak to Moses face to face, just as a man speaks to his friend. " Exodus 33:11

Verse 20 , 23 ' No man can see my Face and live ! ... Then I will remove my hand and you will see my back; but my face must not be seen. '

What's the Usage of Face in this two context ?

To cure your delusion with the Ezekiel verse.

God decides not to show His face to Moses at that time.

Didn't people see God's face in vision?

Now, it's the USAGE OF FACE in two context

Clown....

Since no man can see his Face and live, God won't reveal his Face to any man. This is why Moses can only see his back.

Yes no man can see His face and live, that's the ordinary frail man but with God chooses who He can reveal Himself to is different.

MaxInDHouse:
Na wah o!

Why did you edit this post nah!

So you just feel like arguing with JWs!

You said "Yes man can see God and live"

The point is "no man can see God and live" that's what the scriptures says!

But people saw God and live, isn't that also in your scripture?

MaxInDHouse:
I disagree with you on this!
God performs miracles everyday both in the lives of the good and evil {Matthew 5:45} here you are talking about spectacular miraculous events as signs of true worship but it can't serve such purpose again!

Says you or the scripture, that it can't serve such purpose again?

If real miracles aren't serving such purpose no need for Christ to warn His followers about falling for fake miracles.

We all have working brains, nobody who works with the printing and minting where original currencies are made that could be deceived by fake notes. For such a person to be deceived it must be that he is no more in possession of the original currencies at that point in time and he needs it!

I love this your point, this is the reason there are many denominations and different religions on earth today. That's why one can use his/her working brain to find solace in one particular group or religion today and later dump it for another one but with God's life changing miracles the conviction is permanent.

I disagree with you on this too!
There are many things his audience don't understand yet Jesus will leave it until they're able to learn with time. He only corrects them if time can't solve such problems.

Does this happen in the case of Nicodemus?

What happened in Egypt can't be a case study because both Moses and the Egyptian magicians performed excellently until God himself stepped in to stop the demons behind the magicians from further performance.

It's the same thing! Remember you said "GOD STEPS IN"

Isn't that God's miracles we're talking about here?

Jesus never said there is going to be any sign to distinguish between the fake and original miracles in fact he said "even the chosen (born again Christians) could be deceived" {Matthew 24:24} meaning there is no chance of differentiating between the real and fake miracles during the endtime!

This shows that real miracles still exist if not no need of warning people or almost being deceived.

Jesus could've said see; anyone you see performing miracles is of the Devil because no miracles again after I'm gone but for Jesus to say some believers would be almost deceived by fake miracles means they will confuse fake miracle for real.

The discerning spirit given to Jesus' disciples has nothing to do with fake or original miracles because it's by their fruit that Jesus said they will be distinguished {Matthew 7:15-20} meaning the level of performance in good works that will draw the attention of unbelievers.

SMH...

So what is the purpose of the discerning spirit then, if not for distinguishing between spirit of lies and true spirit of God?

Good work!!! Who have right to determine man's good work apart from God?

Even by their FRUIT many of these fake people still disguised as Angel of Light (if only you understand what that means) which is the reason DISCERNING SPIRIT was given to distinguish them.

If it's about spectacular performance of signs even Jesus himself know that demons can perform exactly the same thing anytime, the only thing they can't do is help their agents to do fine works of FAITH! James 2:18-26

Which still proves that it doesn't mean REAL MIRACLES from God won't happen again.

Barristter07:
The question was asked at 10:18am , December 15 , Can ANY human see God Face and live ?

To which you replied

" Yes! After ressurection "

Which means seeing God is reserved for Glorified humans. This Prompt the question of Moses and other being glorified.

Yet you can't provide where I said ONLY glorified humans can see God.

My Yes! After resurrection is to your previous post where you said those in heaven can't be human since they will see God's face.

You can see how deluded and lack of simple comprehension you are now.

According to Jesus, No MAN has seen God at ANYTIME.

Yes! Except the one the Son chooses to reveal Him.

Stephen while stoning to death saw God.

People saw God in the vision.

Moses and the Elders , none of them saw his Face , the case of Moses it was specifically written that Moses saw his back

" Then I will remove my hand and you will see my back; but my face must not be seen. ”

The Almighty cannot lie, no man can see him and Live . His Face must not be seen by an human , it's automatic death .

So the scripture was a lie when God says they will see His face when He put His Holy Spirit on them.

God isn't a liar but your deluded brain is the problem here.

Yes no man can see God's face and live but God can reveal Himself to who ever He wants.

Many people saw God in a vision, at least you can't deny that.

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus confirmed that satanists will perform great miraculous works but he will deny knowing them! Matthew 7:21-23

But that doesn't mean God will stop performing miracles.

You are counting on the words of Nicodemus not on what Jesus himself said. However let's go by your own understanding of real versus fake miracles.

Nicodemus words are made right in front of Jesus, for Jesus not to correct him makes it valid.

And Nicodemus was right, the miracle of God always supersedes that of the devil, case study is MOSES in the land of Egypt.

So how can you distinguish between the two?

Note what Jesus said @ Matthew 7:21-23 before responding!

The Holy Spirit gives different gifts, one of it is discerning spirit. 1 Corinthians 12:10

MaxInDHouse:
If i say only JWs are the true Christian group you will start abusing and insulting me.

Is it today you've been saying it and since you've been saying it, does it stop the work of God going in the lives of millions believers in the world?

I said i'm done with arguments, you brought what interest me and asked questions to know if you can explain further. Then the next thing is thinking about arguments when i actually wanted to more from you.

So you can know more from apostates but we all know it's a pure lies.

Just say you hide behind your keyboard and when your lying spirit can't take it anymore since you don't have life outside Nairaland, so you develop the pulse and can't resist the urge to comment.

Well that's the reason why i always tell you that JWs are the one and only group given the ability to preach and teach with mild temper and deep respect for those who pick interest in their words!

Keep saying it, the day you'll stop saying it is the day your delusion will be cured.

Barristter07:
No HuMAn can see God's face and live . Moses is no ordinary human,

" And Jehovah came down in the cloud, and spake unto him, and took of the Spirit that was upon him, and put it upon the seventy elders: "

Moses Spirit is so high that a little from him was comfortably shared among 70 elders . Yet he can't see his face .

Those isrealites see Moses as a god. God knows Moses intimately. So what are you telling us ?


Another scenario is the Fact that your joke just made those isrealites Glorified humans since you said only Glorified humans can see God. Glorified humans with flesh and blood.


Guy

If I ask you to provide where I said "ONLY GLORIFIED HUMANS can see God" now you'll be perambulating like a confused person.

Like I do say, your lack of simple comprehension will continue to put you into more scriptural problems.

MOSES and other people were empowered with the Holy Spirit at some point but that doesn't mean THEY MUST AUTOMATICALLY see God's face.

The verse I quoted is to proof to you that when God wants a frail human to see Him and His face, He knows the best way to do that.

One of it is through vision like John and Stephen
Another one is the case where God put His Spirit on the elders to see His face.

No man can see God's face is simply means no frail man in his ordinary nature can do that.

Even when God wanted to reveal a part of Him to Moses, He had to cover MOSES face with His hand which is in form of anointing (like washing) his eyes to make it extraordinary eyes.

Jesus said, "No one knows who the Father is except the Son and no one knows who the Son is except the Father, but the ONE THE SON CHOOSES to REVEAL HIM"

Get Bible knowledge, it will help you you.

Barristter07:
Owner that was given Children

Yes! The children through Salvation He brought but MANKIND belongs to Him as ALL THINGS were created by Him and for Him.

Barristter07:
So they are now glorified human ? O ma se ooooo

Moses doesn't have God's spirit?

The point of that verse is that Human with the help of God can see God's face ONLY FRAIL human can't.

With the spirit of God in man, the person no long ordinary human.

Reason Adam lost everything and afraid of coming to God's presence.

MOSES was a frail man.

Barristter07:
Moses doesn't have the same Spirit?

Does that make them Glorified human since they now see God ?


Father restore his thinking cap

But that verse says They'll see God's face after God pours His spirit on them.

Devil never allows him to have his thinking cap.

Barristter07:
In short u retract your words, he didn't give up everything, .

Says the deluded JWs!

The Crux of the matter here is Owner does not need obedience to get anything. Owner does not need to be given Children. It shows nothing belong to him until he was given

But ALL THINGS were created by Him and for HIM.

Which makes Him the owner of ALL THINGS.

Barristter07:
And pouring the spirit make them Glorified human?

Moses whom God told can't see his face and live doesn't Have God's spirit edakun ?

wahala dey for trinitarians body

This is my point again

See poor reasoning, no wonder I do say you lack simple comprehension.

Why didn't God say they will see His face without pouring out the Spirit

Answer my question ode...

Barristter07:
I provided proof: The Father.

So prove me wrong by telling me if he is a person or persons ?

So ONE PERSON didn't appear in that verse but just from your deluded brain.

Proof me wrong that Holy Spirit didn't SEARCHETH all things of God and didn't know the very MIND of God.

Barristter07:
Gave up everything , stupid man.. tomorrow he will say he is God in human form.

See oponu idiotic boy...

See him confusing with nature.

And he was exalted for that obedience, which means without that obedience, he won't get anything. So much for ownership

Ode....

To you isn't Jesus the first CREATED being.

What position can he be exalted to, that is higher than being the first created?

No wonder I do say, the day you'll be able to distinguish between when scripture is talking about preincarnation and postincarnation of Jesus is the day your delusion will be cured.

Barristter07:
And they are no longer frail Man they no longer sick and die.

Ahhh Emusan , you need prayers.

See poor reasoning, no wonder I do say you lack simple comprehension.

Why didn't God say they will see His face without pouring out the Spirit.

Barristter07 the lying liar, you deliverance

Barristter07:
How does Phil 2:7 change the Fact that he won't get anything without obedience ?

Owner given children .

It changes the fact that He gave EVERYTHING UP to take HUMAN NATURE while in human nature He still remains OBEDIENT.

Get that into your empty skull.

Barristter07:
Singular. Beautiful...

Yes! Now, your lying mouth has been shut down.
because the possessive pronounce "OUR" makes the image belongs to them all.

Barristter07:
Are u contradicting yourself again bayii ? Frail isrealites men will see God , I thought u said Frail man can't see God Face wahala ma wa o


God said No man, one idiot
Said some men can .

Oponu radarada..


Did you see where God said HE WILL POUR HIS SPIRIT ON THEM?

Barristter07:
And mankind is not in Jesus image , Romans 8:29
Sorry o

And mankind was created in OUR IMAGE

Barristter07:
It's like you don't know the gravity of the nonsense you typed. When I own something, even if I travel abroad , it's mine, irrespective of the kinda lifestyle I lived . But if I needed to obey a certain person to claim it, it wasn't mine .

ALL THINGS were created for HIM which makes Him the owner.

Phil 2:5,7 are there to cure your madness and delusion.

Barristter07:
Image not images ... Praise Jah
Now can u explain Romans 8:29

See oponu....
It shows that the IMAGE belongs to the "OUR"
Just continue proofing that God is lying.

Barristter07:
"You cannot see my face, for NO MAN can see me and live " Exodus 33:20 .

No man, No man , No man.

O ma se o

Yes NO FRAIL MAN can see God's face and live.

People see God's face in vision.

In fact God promised that people will see His face after He poured His Spirit on them

Ezekiel 39:29

I will not hide My face from them any longer, for I will have poured out My Spirit on the house of Israel,” declares the Lord God.

No wonder Jesus Christ says: If you love me and keep my commandments my Father and I will come and make OUR (plural) abode(singular) with the person.

Barristter07:
God the Father , a person or persons ?

Show me where it says ONLY ONE PERSON.

Holy Spirit SEARCHETH all things of God and know the very MIND of God, true or false?

Barristter07:
" More than that, when he came as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to the point of death, yes, death on a torture stake. 9 For this very reason, God exalted him to a superior positionn and kindly gave him the name that is above every other name " Phil 2:8,9

Owner that needed obedience to claim what he own ?

Phil 2:7 will cure your madness and delusion


No wonder you keep jumping the verse.

Jesus became MAN.

Barristter07:
Image NOT Images .
Praise Jah.
The real illiterate is the one that can't explain Romans 8:29

See oponu....
It shows that the IMAGE belongs to the "OUR"
Just continue proofing that God is lying.

Barristter07:
Jesus later clarify what they see is not real . No wonder they didn't die. No man has seen God at anytime.

Yeeeba Na wa o

And those who saw God in visions are not frail men ? Are you making yourself a liar ni bayii ?

Imagine the lying liar, so what they see ISN'T REAL which means God is deceiving them.

A frail man can't see God, a glorified man will see Him.