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freshboi88:
Which Lord again....I thought there is only one Lord and that's Jehovah. So y r u celebrating Jesus.....who asked you to celebrate Jesus's death and call him Lord

You can even see him saying There are TWO Lords

When the scripture says there's ONE LORD

MiddleDimension:
Please quote the passage for me let me look at it.

Titus 1:6

ThreeEyedRaven:
I totally agree with him. The Bible only instructs the ministers or church workers to marry only one wife but didn't speak against polygamy

Bible didn't ONLY instruct minister's or church workers but ALL BELIEVERS.

The verse is: If ANY be blameless, the husband of ONE WIFE...

The question is, are believers commanded to be blameless?

EMILO2STAY:
the way you shamelessly show up and have the courage to type after your ignorance have been exposed times and again is a cause to worry about . I will only indulge serious minded people and not shameless ignorant man like you again.

This was a picture of a full moon taken from a mountain in Saudi, ask them to explain to you why the blue sky can be seen through their solid moon above our atmosphere.

LordReed:
I told you it's closed but not like a door. It is just a description of the earth's physical system with respect to the in flow of matter and energy. It does not prevent matter or energy from departing the earth.

These your lies are getting too much

Why are you diving into what you have limited knowledge of?

Space dust enters earth and tons of matter escape our planet to space everyday not just a year or once in blue moon.

LordReed:
The earth is an inertial reference frame, the experiment demonstrates how inertial reference frames work.

@underlined even shows your level of understanding in the subject matter, yet you're the one who want to teach us. Teach don teach me nonsense!

Earth is never an initial reference frame.

Strictly speaking, Newton’s laws of motion are valid only in a coordinate system at rest with respect to the “fixed” stars. Such a system is known as a Newtonian, or inertial reference, frame. The laws are also valid in any set of rigid axes moving with constant velocity and without rotation relative to the inertial frame; this concept is known as the principle of Newtonian or Galilean relativity. A coordinate system attached to the Earth is not an inertial reference frame because the Earth rotates and is accelerated with respect to the Sun. Although the solutions to most engineering problems can be obtained to a satisfactory degree of accuracy by assuming that an Earth-based reference frame is an inertial one, there are some applications in which the rotation of the Earth cannot be neglected; among these is the operation of a gyroscopic compass. (See centrifugal force; Coriolis force.)

Imagine, ASSUMPTION was even made that earth is an initial reference frame.

Link Here

At no point did I say I was demonstrating a ball earth so don't be pathetic in putting words in my mouth.

So what are you trying to prove if not a ball earth saga?

The question still remains, how can plane fly in opposite direction of a rotational motion and still get to its destination? Considering that earth rotates at high speed.

What has the earth being a closed system got to do with inertial reference frames?

It has been established that earth isn't an initial reference frame, what excuse do you have now for a plane reaching its destination when flying in opposite direction of earth rotation?

If earth is a closed system then it can be said to have initial reference frame just as a spaceship orbiting the earth can be said to have initial reference frame.

The picture below sum it up

LordReed:
The experiment is to demonstrate how inertial reference frames work not to demonstrate a ball earth.

So of what important is your demonstration to the POV of a ball earth?

If the video I linked is not enough for you to understand then even if I did the one I outlined you still won't.

Just imagine, you claimed the experiment isn't about a ball earth yet you're using the same experiment to validate your point.

Very pathetic!

For your initial point to be true, earth must be a close system.

LordReed:
Inertial frames of reference? Sure. Simple really, get a big basin fill it water and put in something like a catapult that can shoot a projectile through the water.

I should get

Aren't you supposed to practicalize it then show us here?

Besides, do you know the energy required to move a body of water that a projectory object can travel in?

Measure the average speed of the projectile moving through the water while the basin is stationery. Now move the basin around and do the measurement again while it's in motion. The average speed of the projectile will not change.

I'm waiting for your experiment with detail video on this.

This video illustrates it:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Q4fam5UOPU

It didn't

Earth is A SUPPOSED BALL with a ROTATIONAL MOTION not a linear motion

Rotational motion and linear motion behave differently on object.

aadoiza:
This is some wild theory you just made.
What i infer from this is that the atmosphere is also moving with the earth which means the earth is a closed system, right?

@underlined is the reason of my question.

Yet no straight answer!

LordReed:
Everything on earth has it even the air.

can you demonstrate this in the lab?

Janosky:
* 2 Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them."

2 Corinthians 4:4,Mr LIENUS roger that.

See the Janosense the lying liar JWs like his father the Devil.

I know you lack basic English.

Christ is the IMAGE OF GOD.

My question was, where in the scripture this statement appeared, that Jesus bears the Image of anyone?

Jesus is THAT VERY IMAGE man was created after.

Oponu radarada

CAPTIVATOR:
Show me one single place where the scripture says The Father who is the image of the son?

Olodo radarada!

But Jesus IS THAT VERY IMAGE, which means without Jesus the Father has no image.

You are too daft. Every intelligent creation exist in The father's image because he created them all, Jesus included.

Oponu ju...

And that Father's image is Jesus Himself.

Do you get it now, oponu?

livingchrist:
what is the name of the church peter attend, if you can answer me, I will tell you the name of my church

You'll wait for the answer till thy kingdom come.

If not because you're wiser than him, he can boldly say, kingdom hall of JWs.

CAPTIVATOR:
Jesus is the image OF ( Of means belonging to) the Invisible God ( the Father )

Nobody exist in Jesus image.

So funny....

Let's replace your definition in the verse.

Jesus is the IMAGE belonging to the invisible God (the Father)

Can you see what the scripture is saying here is that, the IMAGE OF GOD is Jesus Himself?

Which means without Jesus the Father has NO IMAGE.

And man was created in the Image of God

Janosky:
# 8 questions for you:
* Yahweh created ALL things , but you seem to know Creation more than Yahweh.
Bros, Genesis 1:1-27 & Job 38:1-7, According to Yahweh, who were present there to rejoice and applaud Yahweh's work?
When Yahweh speaks there,whom is Yahweh talking to?

* Bros, Genesis 1:1-25, what did Yahweh create ?

*Job 38:1-7, who saw the creation of Yahweh and celebrated ?

* JOB 38:3-4, "I" refers to who?

* Can your brain understand that Job 38:1-7 , Yahweh revealed more Creation info not stated in Genesis 1:1-27?

* Job 38:7 who are the morning stars singing together?

* Revelation 22:16, who is the morning star ?

* Revelation 22:16, Did Yahweh create morning star ?


Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers
(7) The morning stars.—The context seems to suggest that by the stars are meant the angels entrusted with their guardianship, from whence Milton has borrowed his conceptions. The magnificent sublimity of the expression and the thought needs no comment.
Bros , please read the Ellicott's Commentary & the screenshot Evidence thoroughly.
Will you be there to clap hands at an Event you were not present?

You people don't see how foolish your doctrines are, that's why you can open your dirty mouth to defend a doctrine without seeing the negative impact on the other doctrines.

The same people who claimed, Jehovah first created Jesus and used Jesus to create other things, now claiming that Jehovah was ISSUING COMMAND OF CREATION TO HEAVENLY HOSTS.

Which means, Jesus wasn't the only person used to create all other things but ALL THE ANGELS.

This is Ellicott's and Barnes'commentary on Gen 1:26 I know you won't agree with them but will only agree with the part that suits your lying mouth.

Ellicott: "As regards the use of the plural here, Maimonides thinks that God took counsel with the earth, the latter supplying the body and Elohim the soul. But it is denied in Isaiah 40:13 that God ever took counsel with any one but Himself. The Jewish interpreters generally think that the angels are meant. More truly and more reverently we may say that this first chapter of Genesis is the chapter of mysteries, and just as “the wind of God” in Genesis 1:2 was the pregnant germ which grew into the revelation of the Holy Ghost, so in Elohim, the many powers concentrated in one being, lies the germ of the doctrine of a plurality of persons in the Divine Unity.

BARNES Note: "At the same time he sets it before himself as a thing undertaken with deliberate purpose. Moreover, in the former mandates of creation his words had regard to the thing itself that was summoned into being; as, "Let there be light;" or to some preexistent object that was physically connected with the new creature; as, "Let the land bring forth grass." But now the language of the fiat of creation ascends to the Creator himself: Let us make man. This intimates that the new being in its higher nature is associated not so much with any part of creation as with the Eternal Uncreated himself.

The truth is you decided to give another meaning to their stance on Job 38:7, which isn't surprising as you're a liar like your father the Devil.

CAPTIVATOR:
No . Now I know you don't know shi in the scriptures

Where in the scripture this statement appeared, that Jesus bears the Image of anyone?

CAPTIVATOR:
This emotional outburst ain't neccesary.

Only JWs see emotional burst but never see themselves being emotional.

None are prophecies. " MAY" is not prophetic.

See another lie from the son of the father of lies.

I challenge you to provide where watchtower used MAY in their prophesies.

Besides, how can anyone under the guidance of the Holy Spirit be using MAY?

How many MAY did John use in revelation?

" It is right to hate the wrong committed by the disfellowshiped one, but it is not right to hate the person nor is it right to treat such ones in an inhumane way. " W74, 8/1 p.467

If anyone hate the person or treat in an inhumane way, it's that person you should held liable

See hypocrite!

Why then most disfellowsip people got disowned by their people?

Bow the blame is on the people not the organization that sets the rule.

Humility to change when a person err, is a sign of God's guidance bro

NASB 1977
" But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good; " 1The 5:21

It's good as you agree that they ERRED, now it means those doctrines aren't directly taught by Christ or Holy Spirit.

So what is the fate of those who died in those wrong teaching?

True worshippers will worship the Father. (John 4:23) Not Trinity.

Only them worship the Father as he should.

"And you should honour the Son JUST AS you honour the Father"

Do you honour the Father through worship?

Satan own the government seat.

Luke 4:5,6

The devil led him up to a high place and showed him in an instant all the kingdoms of the world. And he said to him, "I will give you all their authority and splendor; it has been given to me, and I can give it to anyone I want to. (NIV)

Jesus rejected it. We do too

I didn't see government seat in that verse, that means it's just your delusional idea.

If Satan owns the government seat and scripture admonishes us to submit to the governing authority, are you saying scripture is telling us to submit to Satan?

Romans 13:1-7
Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God. Therefore whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves.

Scripture is clear, it is God who ESTABLISHED ALL AUTHORITIES, how are you to claim Satan owns government

haddeylium:
1 Cor. 13:8

This is the verse

ERV: Love will never end. But all those gifts will come to an end—even the gift of prophecy, the gift of speaking in different kinds of languages, and the gift of knowledge.

Do you still have the gift of knowledge today?

haddeylium:
Jack,
Do you know see why I said you should speak to one of us.
Jehovah's witnesses never claimed to be an inspired prophet.
We're just following Jesus' counsel to 'keep on the watch' for his presence (Matt 24: 42).

The fact that, you can openly say the @red part shows you're of your father the Devil because he's a liar from beginning and the father of it.

If Jehovah witness never claimed to be an inspired prophet, what is the meaning of these statements in your publications?

“Under the guidance of his holy spirit and on the basis of his Word of truth, Jehovah provides what is needed so that all of God's people may be "fitly united in the same mind and in the same line of thought" Kingdom Ministry Sep 2007 p.3 US Edition

"We will also increase our joy if we prayerfully and diligently study God's spirit - inspired Word and Christian publications prepared under the spirit's guidance." Watchtower 1992 Mar 15 pp.21-22

"When the time comes to clarify a spiritual matter in our day, holy spirit helps responsible representatives of the faithful and discreet slave at world headquarters to discern deep truths that were not previously understood. (Matt. 24:45; 1 Cor. 2:13) The Governing Body as a whole considers adjusted explanations. (Acts 15:6) What they learn, they publish for the benefit of all." Watchtower 2010 Jul 15 pp.22-23

Let me stop here.

So who is a prophet?

a person who speaks for God or a deity, or by divine inspiration.

Says the https://www.dictionary.com/browse/prophet

So, is watchtower claimed to be INSPIRED PROPHET or not?

Official Journal of Jehovah's witnesses
“We have not the gift of prophecy.” (January 1883, page 425). Check the picture I attached sir

Most people don't really know who a prophet is.
Usually, people associate prophesy with foretelling future event.

Check all these citations from your publication.

"Third, holy spirit is at work in bringing Bible truths to light." Watchtower 2010 Apr 15 p.10 Holy Spirits Role in the Outworking of Jehovahs Purpose

"Consider, too, the fact that Jehovah's organization alone, in all the earth, is directed by God's holy spirit or active force. (Zech. 4:6) Only this organization functions for Jehovah's purpose and to his praise. To it alone God's Sacred Word, the Bible, is not a sealed book. Many persons of the world are very intelligent, capable of understanding complex matters. They can read the Holy Scriptures, but they cannot understand their deep meaning. Yet God's people can comprehend such spiritual things. Why? Not because of special intelligence on their part, but as the apostle Paul declared: "For it is to us God has revealed them through his spirit, for the spirit searches into all things, even the deep things of God."" Watchtower 1973 Jul 1 p.402

If you've encountered Jws ,Our believe is that miraculous gifts, including the gift of prophecy, dissappeared after the days of the apostles

And where does this written in the scripture?

Then, How does watchtower chose a replacement for the dead governor's body members? If miraculous gifts have disappeared.

What we do is to understand the Bible prophesies about our times in preparing for the Lord's coming . That's not prophesy itself because we don't bring about a new one.

Prophecy isn't ONLY about bringing A NEW MESSAGE

Truly, some people with scores to grind with Jws will tell you differently.
Know this today, There's no one prophesying among Jehovah's witnesses.

Sure, there is no one prophesying among you because there is no spirit of God in your hall.

We Just try to understand and research the Bible chronology of
the already existing prophesies in the Bible.

That means watchtower is using human knowledge and understanding, but what about the numerous claim that it was the Holy Spirit who is guiding the Governor's body?

If you want I can show you some of our understanding of the Bible prophesies which seems to be extremely accurate or you call aswell visit Jw.org

Will you also care to show us the numerous inspiration claim of many failed prophecies

reubenobi:
So, to you " one of the chief prince" is Jesus? You guys are so disgusting!

The same people will tell you that, Jesus is the ONLY ONE DIRECTLY CREATED by Jehovah.

Yet to them Jesus is ONE OF THE CHIEF PRINCE.

You'll begin to wonder, how they pass their English exam in school.

shadeyinka:
Because they chose themselves.
Since as you claim, "all spiritual gifts and miracles have ceased": by what mechanism did Christ CALL them?

If you can only do justice to this: I repeat,

How did Jesus Christ choose these eight old men constituting your Governing Body?

You'll wait tire to get answer to that question.

Janosky:
Bros, why you dey DECEIVE yourself?

What about you? You're destroying your soul...

Isaiah 6:8 Then I heard the voice of Jehovah saying: “Whom shall I send, and who will go for us?” And I said: “Here I am! Send me!”

Isaiah 6:8 is missing in your Bible?
Is Isaiah among the "us"?

If you don't lack basic English, you'd have seen this without exposing your ignorance.

Lemme break it down for you because I know, you're a toddler.

The writer: speaks in first person pronoun "I" i.e "Then I heard the voice of Jehovah saying..."

The writer switches to first person pronoun which means Jehovah is the ONE SPEAKING NOW.

Jehovah: Who shall I (Jehovah) send and who will go for US (Jehovah)?

This is a question, that needs answer!

And guess who answered it! The same Jehovah Himself because Jehovah continues to speak in the same first person pronoun.

"And I said, here I am! Send me"

If the entity speaking is totally different from the speaker then it will be a grammatical gaganrium for the speaker to continue speaking in first person pronoun.

[s]1 Thess 4:16 , John 5:26-28, whose voice will resurrect the dead ?

2 Thess1:7-9, Matthew 25:31, Hebrew 1:4-5, Daniel 10:13 who leads other sons of God ?[/s]

Wesley Commentary & Geneva Bible Commentary na your 3 idol spirits devotees brethren write am

Hypocrite!

Do you agree with the same Wesley commentary & Geneva Bible Commentary on John 1:1, Heb 1, John 1:3, Rev 3:14?

Barristter07:
"Don't you know that everything that goes into the mouth passes into the stomach and then is expelled as waste? " Matt 15:17 ISV

Unless Jesus is not a man but materialized Spirit . This won't apply

Can you realize how foolish you are now?

"EVERYTHING THAT GOES INTO THE MOUTH"

So when those spirit beings ATE, it didn't go through their MOUTH but through their ANUS.

Keep on exposing your ignorance.

Again, Luke 24:39 is still nailing your lying doctrine to hell.

Barristter07:
Arch angel appeared in that verse not plural . I meant to place an ( 's )

I go with what appeared in the scripture.

because it appears then it means Jesus is Angel

But The Trump of God appears, to your hypocrisy, it doesn't mean Christ is God.

The Lord comes with that VOICE !!!

That's the Voice that raise the Dead.

"WITH" not "FROM HIM" which means the voice doesn't belong to Him yet "The way the Lord COMES WITH trump of God" and doesn't make him God to you"

Oponu oniro radarada.

Barristter07:
Does it mean beginning ? Yes.

And when the Father is said to be The Beginning, beginning of what?

Originator/Source cannot be given Children . !!!

Does it mean Originator /Source? Yes!

You'll receive sense the day you know when scripture is talking about preincarnation and postincarnation of Jesus.

Barristter07:
[s]Verse ' the gave him a fish and he ATE ' 42,43 .

An healthy human eat and defecate.[/s]

Luke 24:39

Only materialized Spirits are spoken of as eating in scriptures without defecating

Can you show me where someone was said to defecate in the scripture?

Lying liar JWs like your father the Devil.

Barristter07:
Originator or source cannot be given Children, he owns them . The correct rendering is "Beginning ". Jesus was CREATED.

You want to boycott this and I won't allow that.

It calls for serious concern because a SEC claiming something and was disproved by the true Christian.

So, the question still remains:

Who is right?

1. Oriental SEC who claim Jesus is one of the Aeones and created, Or
2. The inspire Apostle John who countered that claim that Jesus is God

Says the deluded JWs.

Does the Greek word "Ache" mean Originator, Source?

Barristter07:
But he will give the commanding call that will raise the Dead , with whose voice ? Something is wrong with you o

As something is wrong with your dull skull.

Here is your claim

Oponu, can you see how you're implicating yourself,

"Arch ANGELS (plural) voice, so all Angels are Christ."

Lying liar JWs like your father the Devil.

I'm still waiting for the place where it is said that it was the VOICE of Angel that Christ issue COMMAND.

Barristter07:
[s]He ate in that same chapter, a healthy human must defecate, are you subjecting Christ to such ?[/s]

Luke 24:39

Barristter07:
So because Demons believe in God and I do, it calls for serious concern. You reason so down when you saw your errrors are exposed.

It calls for serious concern because a SEC claiming something and was disproved by the true Christian.

So, the question still remains:

Who is right?

1. Oriental SEC who claim Jesus is one of the Aeones and created, Or

2. The inspire Apostle John who countered that claim that Jesus is God

My post is still up there . It's left to you , or are you scared you can't refute that explanation of Revelation 3:14 ?

Your post is nonsensical and meaningless because even a baby Bible student knows that the Greek word "Ache" rendered as beginning meanings "Originator, Source e.t.c"

About your claim that Jesus was given children has been dealt with seriously here so no need of repeating nonsense.

Barristter07:
" For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, [/b] and the dead in Christ will rise first. [/b] "

The Dead will hear the Arch Angels voice ?

Oponu, can you see how you're implicating yourself,

Arch ANGELS (plural) voice, so all Angels are Christ.

Besides, stop twisting that verse, it's not the voice of Angel that'll raise the Dead, Christ Himself said, He will come WITH ALL HOLY ANGELS including Michael.

Barristter07:
What does the Bible say ?

Go back and read my Comment on Revelation 3:14. I have no business with any Oriental sect.

You don't have business but both the Oriental SEC (who are not part of early Christians) and your claim doctrine are the same, so this calls for a serious concern.

"Your comment" Who dash you? Until you support your comment with a reputable scholars commentaries.

You can't escape this.

So it's either John is right that "The Word was God" or the heretics known as Oriental Sec who held the doctrine like your demonic organization today, The Oriental SEC "held that the λόγος Logos or "Word" was one of the "Aeones" that had been created, and that this one had been united to the man Jesus." is right.